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AtGames Premium Starter 4K Pinball Program Pros & Cons 

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With the Launch Today of the AtGames Premium Starter 4K Pinball Program and their Legends Factory Direct Shipping Program let's digest and summarize what we've learned about this program and point out some very nice pros and cons to help with making this purchasing decision.
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@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
Thanks for joining me for an impromptu stream! Leave me your feedback below!
@jimpacersfan
@jimpacersfan Месяц назад
Nothing wrong with a RU-vidr making a buck, but the channel should be from the heart or passion. IMO
@iangent.961
@iangent.961 Месяц назад
Seemed like a fair review of the program. I just bought my 4k during the last sale at 1750 with ssf. I’ve been really happy with it. I don’t play the zen games much, but as you stated in the video for the features at this price (as a novice in the hobby) I wasn’t finding much competition and have been relatively happy with the vpin so far. It certainly catches everyone’s eye when they come into the basement; most not even knowing vpin machines are a thing. I hope they can continue to sell and support them. I actually questioned purchasing early on because of some of the vpin community comments about lag but I believe these are mostly early adopters who feel they were promised something they have never received (working zen tables). I value their opinion too but at times it feels like these machines aren’t getting fair reviews because myself and everyone who has played mine are all really impressed with it overall. (I am not a paid Atgames person, this is all in my opinion) lol
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
great feedback here I appreciate it!
@YouSeeSorrows
@YouSeeSorrows 28 дней назад
I discovered AtGames on friday. Thought about going with HD until i saw a video that the community is working on VPX running natively on the 4K. Saw the starter 4k deal this morning and pulled the trigger on an AFM model. I'll play AFM and whats offered on the 2 month subscription, then buy any tables that i really want. Then at some point, I'll buy the OTG unlock but not in a rush. Just needed a cheaper entry point, something to get me in the door. Also, I care nothing about the topper.
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft 28 дней назад
Nice! Enjoy!
@joealberti8553
@joealberti8553 7 дней назад
Good morning. I love your videos and look forward to them. I just ordered the AtGames Addams Family pinball starter edition last Sunday night. It will be my first VPIN. It really appealed to me because I lreally like the cabinet art, and like that it only has the Addams Family game on it. To me I'd rather buy it this way and get the games that appeal to me rather than get a bunch of games I never heard of and probably wouldn't play. As of now, I've ordered Mars Attacks, Twilight Zone, Star Trek and ST: TNG, and a Gottlieb pack containing Haunted House.I also like the idea of being able to add other accessories at my own pace, if I decided I want them later. For instance, I do plan on adding the SSF kit, and don't mind installing it my self. Don't know if I will get the topper or not, but nice to know I can add it down the road if I want to. I have no desire (as of yet) to hook up an external PC for other games. That too may change and I can add that feature later if I want. I heard about the flipper lag issue, but when I heard that AtGames has resolved it and the update to fix it was coming in a few days, well that sealed the deal for me. Can't wait for the machine to arrive. Thanks again for your videos and look forward to more in the future.
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft 6 дней назад
Enjoy your pinball!
@SithLordLex
@SithLordLex Месяц назад
I think it took Zen about 1 year to fix the Switch ver. I have a 4k already with every game, but I think the new program would help if you wanted a 2nd pinball machine.
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
Crazy a year already
@DennisMangual
@DennisMangual День назад
What announcement do you think AtGames has planned for pinball later this month on Sept. 18? Its listed as New AtGames Legends 4k Pinball Machine Announcement.
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft День назад
@@DennisMangual no clue, hoping to see a Chucky themed table
@steveblersch
@steveblersch Месяц назад
I already had the Addams Family 4k machine, an ALP, and all the pinball tables available so far for both machines, so I won’t be getting this. I do however think it addresses one of the three reasons why people haven’t upgraded yet, price. The other two reasons are flipper lag and waiting for other skins. I have no problem with Atgames trying to address the price issue, which will allow some more people to jump onboard with the 4k machine. Don’t criticize them for trying as this is only an option and not a requirement. I think they’ll sell more machines when the lag issue is fixed, but they may have trouble doing as many skins as promised. Time will tell.
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
@@steveblersch fantastic feedback thank you
@steveblersch
@steveblersch Месяц назад
@@PDubsArcadeLoft you’re welcome! Thanks for the video!
@renrag83
@renrag83 Месяц назад
I plan on purchasing the AtGames 4K pinball (normal version) but am “patiently” waiting for them to release new Collectors Editions (skins). I think they would sell a lot more with IPs like Marvel/Star Wars, which is what I would be more interested in. If they do not release one of those soon, I would get the Attack from Mars. However, I am curious about the likelihood of them being able to release one with Marvel or Star Wars?
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
@@renrag83 I think it's absolutely possible for them to do those IPs as skins. Just my opinion
@dalecummins689
@dalecummins689 Месяц назад
1 = I own all HD Games and a 4k/ If I didn't have a virtual pinball machine, and didn't know what I would be missing, then yes I would consider buying one now at the discounted prices. Medival Madness... yes please! I have Addams Family, my son has Peanuts (Both Early last yesr discounted pre-orders), but AFM does look dang good! The RU-vidrs I watch are Evil Genius, Digital Victory, and Michal B, Bill's Retro and you as my main staple, plus several others off and on.
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
Thanks Dale, appreciate the support and your comments on my Videos!
@mrhector8431
@mrhector8431 Месяц назад
Nice breakdown of pros and cons. Even with all the software issues, hardware is still a fair price for a turn key solution compared to other options. Given their ongoing software issues, would be a nice gesture to give owners pinballnet for free until the Zen fix is out. Would help to get some goodwill back.
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
I like this idea, apologies are needed IMO
@thefistoflove.
@thefistoflove. Месяц назад
I thought it a bit strange they needed to enter wifi to play offline mode
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
From what I understand it was for a 1 time update for that but hopefully I'm not wrong
@jimharper5710
@jimharper5710 Месяц назад
Personally, I don't see it as a $1499.99 cab since they set a price point/value at launch (early access) for the full cabs at $1099 for Addams Family/$1199 for Attack from Mars. Already passed at that price (was hoping for better skins, entry into Sam's club, etc.), so not really interested in paying more for less features at this point. Also, I think they need to make the deal sweeter for HD owners to entice us to upgrade (and to make up for the lack of tables over the past year). At a minimum, OTG should be free for those moving from an HD cab, as we are already reliant on this feature.
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
I like that idea! #FreeOTG
@davidjames5043
@davidjames5043 Месяц назад
Once the zen tables issues are sorted then I will buy one, until then I won't.
@rjclarkeePincadeRebel
@rjclarkeePincadeRebel Месяц назад
As someone that has built 3 vpins from scratch. The actual unit [ie cabinet and screens] is not a bad deal. The reality is that ALL the games are available much better done and with better physics using VPX. you really need OTG with a decent gaming PC to run these games at 60fps [let alone higher] so I wouldnt bother with the built in stuff. The zen games are all copy paste stuff with different gfx and I'P's, not really anything good there. As VPX advances with baked in lighting fx and realtime rendering, the SBC on this will fail to perform and you will be missing out on the real VPIN experience. Ive played a few games on the 4kp and dont be fooled. the latency is BAD........ when you are using a PC its negligable [use frame pacing and open GL]
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
@@rjclarkeePincadeRebel great feedback here thank you
@rjclarkeePincadeRebel
@rjclarkeePincadeRebel Месяц назад
I bet a lot of people leave the vpin hobby because of crap experience. we Dont want that! PS. Virtual Pinball is a total waste of space without SSF
@rjclarkeePincadeRebel
@rjclarkeePincadeRebel Месяц назад
heres an idea as another cost cutter....send em out without a skin...then you could do your own Creature/Medievil Mad....etc etc etc
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
@@rjclarkeePincadeRebel would be interesting if they just did plain black pinballs, would it save on licensing costs, etc
@mikewarner5583
@mikewarner5583 29 дней назад
Is Narc playable on ATgames legends ultimate machine!??????? 🤔
@shampooswan
@shampooswan Месяц назад
Very fair feedback! I like how AtGames is trying to make things affordable, but it's ridiculous removing / locking OTG software. Not to mention no one wants to buy all the same old tables over again that they had in the original ALP (that they made $10 MORE expensive recently).
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
@@shampooswan thank you for watching and appreciate the comment!
@Lithonion1
@Lithonion1 Месяц назад
I was on the fence due to lag issues and price. Due to that and how long it's taking to get it resolved I decided to keep my HD and ordered the Buy Stuff Arcades screen mod.
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
@@Lithonion1 how did the mod go for you?
@videogamevegas
@videogamevegas Месяц назад
PDubs, I think you were fair both here and on Super Game Room Dudes. I own a 4KP, still in the box, and I can't recommend it right now even with these discounts. I'm trepidatious about AtGames ability to change hardware functionality via software updates, namely disabling HDMI and USB ports on the discounted skew of the 4KP. It sounds innocent on the surface, but just the mere existence of this ability worries me about any changes in the company down the line and how it could be used in the future on any version of the 4KP. In fact, I'm holding off investing in a PC to play OTG, because of this uncertainty. I'm not going to spend a bunch of money, only to have AtGames possibly disable the ports on the 4KP for any number of reasons. Now, I could just be worried about nothing, and hopefully that's all it is, but there is one fact that still remains. The only way to play Zen games properly right now on the 4KP is if one plugs in their own PC (if it's powerful enough) to the HDMI and USB ports on the 4KP, which are disabled on the discounted version by default. And sure, you can pay AtGames to unlock the ports (which are part of the physical machine you already paid for), but that would cost another $100, which then lessens this newest deal even further. And if someone is buying the 4KP just to play Zen tables natively, using just the 4KP hardware, then they're paying, even at the discount, a large amount of money for a broken experience, which I don't think is fair. I just don't see the value right now with the state the 4KP is in, even at these lower prices. Funny thing, I was actually invited, and on a, livestream last night, Arcade Talk (unfortunately it was on during your stream, but got to catch yours on this replay), and we were discussing this same topic. As to not write a novel here, if you're interested in some of my other concerns about the 4KP, especially the precedence set by the ability to disable physical ports on a machine you've purchased, I recommend checking it out. Plus, how many times to you get to see me discuss something live 😋 Again, I can't recommend the 4KP right now to anyone, but since I own one, I do hope things get sorted as I don't want to regret my investment. Cheers! vgv
@carlo1132
@carlo1132 Месяц назад
While you own the ALP 4KP, you have it still in the box, never played any of the pinball tables, never heard the SSF, ect. This is an important disclosure that needs to be considered when writing a book report on why people shouldn't pick it up, your opinion has no more weight than anyone else that doesn't own the product, since you have NO personal experience using the product. PK directly addressed your BMW heated seat analogy which has now been used two times at least, on R.xers comment section on Arcade Talks live stream, Why you keep spreading misinformation regarding future disabling of ports on ALP 4KP is frankly baffling, this concern has been addressed officially on facebook and in the live chat by PK. At this point I am asking for Proof of Ownership of your ALP 4kP, please post a photo showing your ALP 4KP on your community page, whether its in the box or not, if its in the boxes I would highly encourage you to ensure there is no shipping damage before the warranty period expires as some have encountered that, and frankly I am shocked you have not verified the condition of your machine.
@videogamevegas
@videogamevegas Месяц назад
Carl O, You're crusade to continually go after some who don't kiss the ring of everything AtGames does, is tiring. You also tried the opposite with iiRcade, trying to defame them any chance you got, but to this day, you still haven't provided any shred of irrefutable evidence, only hearsay, and that didn't get you too far with me, did it? You're strategy here, to outright spread falsehood about ME, fails just as hard and only serves to deflate what you say. It may shock you to know, that anyone can have an opinion on anything regardless of any circumstance. And I have NEVER ONCE attempted to hide or mislead anyone that my 4KP is still in a box. You know why I do that? Because I want people to weigh their thoughts based upon my circumstance to the words that I'm saying. I've made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that I haven't had hands on with the 4KP, and have never portrayed my thoughts as some kind of review. And using this as some sort of "gotcha" moment, is pointless as many already know these facts, because they came directly from me and I continually repeat them. I may not always remember to shout something out, but I don't intentionally try to mislead people like you've done here. Stop trying to make it sound like I'm trying to come off as some sort of expert, because you decided to vain disclosure. Your swerve to discredit me is duly noted, but loses any validity, because all I've ever done is simply share what I feel about a situation about a product and recommendations based upon my feelings. Not everyone who has something less than angelic to say about your precious AtGames is trying to tear them down. Stop taking everything as a personal attack against you. And just so we're clear, you don't get to choose what I say, nor do you get to decide what opinions I hold, nor how many times I say something, no matter how many times it's addressed, or who addresses it. I don't have to consider any parameters you set forth, and no amount of trying to make light of what I comment, as some sort of "book report," because it doesn't meet the high standards of Carl O, will change that. I don't begrudge you your opinions, but I WILL NOT stand idly by while you invent fictitious things that I supposedly did. I have NEVER ONCE spread misinformation regarding future disabling ports on the ALP 4KP. Please share your evidence. You know you can't, because there is none! I have ALWAYS prefaced anything regarding the ability to manipulate hardware functionality via software as strictly MY CONCERNS. And based on those concerns, I'm allowed to speculate and provide examples of what I feel could (NOT WILL) happen. And you don't get to decide if I can share my feelings regarding this, or anything for that matter. And also don't assume I've seen any of the things you've mentioned in your comment, acting like I'm somehow in the know. In fact, pretty much everything you said is news to me. But even if I happened to see any of it, forgive me if I don't just blindly believe someone from AtGames when they address something when they've proven to me their lack of candor in the past, which I shared a couple of examples during last night's Arcade Talk livestream, which you even acknowledged hearing what I said. And PK also acknowledged one of them, the coupon situation, and said, and I'm paraphrasing, it was on them and they would do better. And though I appreciated hearing that, words don't replace actions. Trust is earned. And AtGames squandered that trust with me. If they want to earn it back, I'm game. As to your assumption that my 4KP hasn't been checked for damage and still in the box. A few weeks after I received my 4KP, my brother was nice enough, since I'm still recovering from an injury, to go where it was delivered and open the boxes and check to see if anything looked damaged. He said everything looked fine and showed me a few pictures, and I couldn't see anything wrong on the surface. And if something did get hurt during shipping, a good thing I will praise AtGames for, is they gave us a 1 year warranty. I'm hoping to have the machine built before the year is up, but I'm still recovering, and I'm sorry Carl O, but I can't speed that process up for you. As for Facebook, I don't like the platform, so I'm not privy to anything AtGames posts there. I use RU-vid. But please note: just because I'm on RU-vid, doesn't mean I keep my ear to the wall on EVERYTHING, I have a life outside the internet. I have a Facebook account, but I haven't logged into it in probably over a decade, and probably won't ever again. I don't like their tracking policies, and I'm sure you're going to tell me how stupid I am regardless of my feelings to that, and also because I don't like yet another thing you do. Just save me the insult this time and just consider me as more dirt on the bottom of your shoe. The only reason I'm taking the time to respond to you at length here, is because you garnered some respect from me due to constructive conversations we've had in the past, but outright falsifying something I supposedly said or done, and using tactics to belittle me to paint me in a bad light, has exhausted that generosity. I get your need to win any argument at any cost, but continue acting unscrupulous towards people, and you may find them limiting their time interacting with you, or just plain ghosting you altogether. vgv
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
Thanks Vegas I will check the replay!
@stevematix
@stevematix 28 дней назад
Damm is too late 😮
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft 28 дней назад
@@stevematix what?
@stevematix
@stevematix 28 дней назад
@@PDubsArcadeLoft the deal is over (wave 1)
@TheForsaken30
@TheForsaken30 Месяц назад
Loss of OTG mode?? Deal breaker for me
@PDubsArcadeLoft
@PDubsArcadeLoft Месяц назад
Yep one of the things they "take away" to supposedly lower the price. Very odd
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