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Great job btw . I would have said eating a baby is same as eating nails or mouth saliva... The difference is larger materials or cells clustered together from your body. Many animals do that we don't do it now that's all.
it was a fallacy to say 'slice a baby into pieces and eat it isn't wrong, right?' because the guy position is 'there is no right or wrong', which means that If I say 'Yes' to the question that it's not wrong, this won't make it 'right', it's both not 'objectively right nor wrong', so the right answer is 'Yes, it's not wrong, and not right either', so is it okay to eat a baby objectively after slicing it? Yes, it's neither wrong or RIGHT, but subjectively it is.. (for me & my group of secular humanists and westerners) and those examples are just absurd, because you may ask me the question ' so it's okay to take care of your wife ? ' and my answer would also be like it's not 'right or wrong' objectively but subjectively it is .. This will take you to how to know what's good or bad for us as humans (without this objective ruling) and again we'll go to the laws that somehow translates our moral codes And Good & Bad are not objective and you admit it anyways in the beggining (in our worldview), so you should ask what's good & bad for seculars societies ? like the chinese or european or americans ? when they try to explain what's 'good' they never use objective terms, Good is what makes society moving with less problems and everyone live peacefully, which is a pragmatic definition not a mathematical definition, it's not either 1 or 0 And the absurduty of your question can be more visible in this scenario, imagine your have a worldview of only 'red or yellow' things, and you point out at something 'green' and ask me, 'is it red ?' and I say, no it's not, therefore you conclude it's then 'yellow', this is a clear misconception here 20:12
He was very impatient easily triggered. For normal cases all laws are done. But there are new cases n discoveries that needs rethinking n not clearly stated in the Quran Hadiths. A new guide like how do you pray n fast in space. How do you determine the time n kiblah, With advance in science there will more space travel.
@@graywarden2178 yup their emotions somehow disabled them from definitions. words have meanings and if u fail even that simple things, what came out was all gibberish. im curious how these could be happening on a grand scale. language don't have any substance anymore. no eloquent, no context, not even substance. just sentiment and four sentences quotes. what is going on.
@@graywarden2178 what do you mean you're cringe this is the real atheism that no atheist wanna admit he was just honest and he stands for his ideology
I'm glad I could never settle on being atheist, I was agnostic coming out of Christianity and realized that my exact idea of God is what Islam explain, Alhamdulilah.
Arrogance is intolerance of people who believe different from yourself because you believe you are the only one who ist right, so who is the arrogant one?
@MsAaprill I dont believe, I know Islam is the truth, because there are clear evidences for it being so. We also believe people are free to believe in and follow what they want. However, if youre going to come on and have a debate about Islamic morals, whilst pushing the idea that there is no right and wrong and stating that doing vile things is not actually wrong, whilst rejecting basic facts, then yes that makes you a hypocrite and arrogant. Arrogance is not 'intolerance of people who believe differently'. Many people think men can be women, and women can be men, or that you can be neither or both. That is not true, and I reject it and I dont tolerate the idea. Does that make me arrogant? No. It means I humbly accept the truth and the reality that is presented to me by God. Arrogance is rejecting the truth even when it is clearly placed in front of you, when you realise the arguments youre making dont make sense but still continue to beat down on them, when you put your own opinions and thoughts above the truth and above God.
@@RizmaLaban His open the camera condition is not acceptable. If he relaxes it for some really well behaved mulhideens and murtideens then either I or someone from my team is definitely willing to talk to him.
@@adnaancassiem2856A karen is a nickname typically given to women who are entitled to anything that doesn't satisfy them, they get mad about anything that it isn't in their preferred way. Sometimes people call men karen as well😂
This guy was ashamed of what he said at the end and you can see it in his face. Maybe it's a wake-up call for him. May Allah guide him and keep us on the right path.
He literally said *YES* about the question of his Mom 😮 and that’s the people who are trying to educate us (non western world) about morality and ethics 🤦♂️. There you go… your progressive Western culture in a nutshell!!
When you have no objective morality in the society anything can go. Bringing up Mao and Stalin who were atheists was smart. Between those two countries more than 100 million people died during wars, famines and purges. It was horrendous.
@@MHiggins Mao believed he was doing things for ""the greater good"", that the country would benefit in the end even if tens and tens of millions had to die so he could industrialize the nation as fast as possible.
@@ramunasstulga8264 How about evaluating if these teachings never existed, how animalistic and primordial humans would be without divine guidance? It's a hypothetical, but without religion telling humanity to conduct themselves, humans would ALWAYS commit to actions that were most beneficial to them. The atheist in this video made it clear that if he were socially conditioned to believe having incestuous intercourse is permissible, then there is nothing stopping him from doing it. The "harm principle" which is advocated by so many people who take agnostic/atheistic worldview would not have come to this conclusion if it wasn't for religious guidance, and this is after so many millennia to come to such a conclusion backed up by the fact that this is what most religions espoused to begin with, what would've happened for 100s of thousands of years if that wasn't the case even up until now? I swear this is the dumbest argument. Wars and atrocities didn't happen because of religion, it happened because of self-gain and misusing religion as a tool for that self-gain.
The stronger someone believes in atheism, the more arrogant they might be. On the other hand, the more you follow Islam, the more humble you tend to become.
Religious people tend to believe they are better than and more moral than non religious people ( read the comments if you need proof of that). Out of ALL the religions you believe yours is the only true one and all the others are wrong and all the other gods don’t exist . That’s quite arrogant don’t you think?
@@matthenley3886 Arrogance is having delusions about your status. So if a Muslims believes their religion is morally superior to other, it is fact not arrogance. The central concept in Islam is moral supremacy. Judaism is about racial supremacy. Capitalism is about financial supremacy. Etc. Laws are decided by the rich.
@@matthenley3886 Muslims don't think they are better than others, but they do believe that Islam is the true religion. They see Islam as having the highest moral teachings. Islam provides detailed guidance on all aspects of life, from personal behavior to family and societal relationships, and even governance. It offers advice for every stage of life, from birth to death. Islamic teachings on these matters are detailed in books on Islamic jurisprudence, which cover everything one might encounter in life. These teachings are comprehensive and not found in any other religious books to this extent. Therefore, the beliefs in Islam can be clearly seen and understood, unlike in some other religions like Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, or Buddhism.
@@matthenley3886 For example, consider how different religions handle divorce. In Christianity, Catholicism, Hinduism, and Buddhism, the rules about divorce according to their holy books are not clear, so they often have to rely on secular, or non-religious, laws made by people. In contrast, Islam provides clear guidelines for divorce. It covers who gets custody of the children, who should pay child support, and the rights of both parents and children. It even outlines who should keep the house. All of this is explained in detail in Islamic teachings. I encourage you to be open-minded and learn about Islam. Many atheists struggle to embrace religion because they still hold a Christian perspective, finding it nonsensical, which I understand. I suggest reading the Quran and the Seerah of Muhammad (peace be upon him), as well as books on Islamic jurisprudence, to get a better understanding.
Let a atheist talk about his “morality” and see how fast he comes to the most extreme inconsistencies and horrific consequences of its subjective judgment.
I am absolutely amazed how Brother Muhammad cornered the atheist guy with the last question. That was brilliant and the atheist Guy kept digging his grave deeper and deeper.
After I have read the Quran, I realized that all what humanity needs is this heavenly law. “The legislation of Quran will spread all over the world, because it agrees with the mind, logic and wisdom.” - Leo Tolstoy .
@@AJ-pc9gu Unfortunately you haven't studied Leo Tolstoy. Most of you have never heard of him before because you don't know history. It's all about studying.
@@JesusisaMuslim lol I read anna karenina last month and am aware he had some correspondence with a tatar. Why do you assume so much incorrectly? Quran 49:12
That last incest part was very disturbing from Max.... May Allah guide us and keep us on Islam to prevent us from getting into this confusion and lostness.
But the atheist is right. If humanity were to follow their most base desires, many would act upon it if it wasn't for an innately divine connection. Incest is commonplace in many animals. Many good Muslims have homosexual feelings and repress them because they know it is not right, and there are many who cannot stop the temptation so in shaa Allah God has mercy on them for other good deeds they may commit. Men and women don't cheat because they know it is not right, but that doesn't mean a base desire doesn't exist for them to do it. There are many humans who act upon many other disgusting things such as bestiality, if there wasn't a societal stipulation (which has mostly been given due to the fact we have a fitra and divine guidance) that it's disgusting, you would see many more people who would act upon such things. There are base desires that YOU YOURSELF have to repress for the good of yourself, your soul, and society, and because it has been commanded by God. God has given everyone base desires to repress, aoo'dhubillah and may God give you patience and mercy if you have even more devious ones.
@@ItsJustZeeBTWi beg to differ on what you said as our base desire as humans. You said that many good muslims have tendency towards homosexuality and bestiality. That it is their basic desire. Just like animals do. How do you get this? That is NOT human's base desire. Not at all. That is corruptions and that can happen only when one is exposed to that kind of immoral acts. Also human and animals are different. Where in the Quran says that we are the same as animals? Animals have instinct to procreate like we do but they cannot distinguish right from wrong. Also even animals will NOT naturally choose to mate with its own kin. Most of the cases of inbreeding occurs for animals in captivity or when they do not have other options like facing extinction. For example, lions. Male lion when they reached the age of maturity will be forced to leave the pact. This is fitrah. When one have desire to do those things (homosexual etc) they are going against the fitrah. Against their basic desire. They only have this weird thoughts because of exposures & because they are being manipulated by satan.
Naah its just what happens when falsehood is challenged so eloquently with truth. He was sadly squirming and being somewhat facetious at times to soften the blows given by Mohammed ma-sha-Allah (As God wills)❤
@@Shabs2456 Bro he asked a question and while MA was answering he started to flip his head and frown like as if someone trying to start a fight with him which pathetic to be honest.
The saddest thing, they think they have better morals than Muslims. He literally said he probably would sleep with his mother if she was his type 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@prodes1249 Hey may be honest. But no man with common sense would utter these words unless he just want to defend his argument so he doesn't seem hypocrite. I just wish he can reflect on what he said and give it a thought and may Allah guide him
"And they say, "There is not but our worldly life; we die and live, and nothing destroys us except time." And they have of that no knowledge; they are only assuming." Al-Jathiyah 24
The Atheist did come strong at the beginning, but after some explanation, he seemed to come around at the end. I hope Allah guides him because he seems sincere.
"Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allāh has sent him astray due to knowledge1 and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allāh? Then will you not be reminded?" Al-Jathiyah 23
Its’s always a pleasure to watch an atheist start off strong and with an arrogant disposition but then when questioned about their belief or viewpoint regarding their subjective morals they tend to fizzle
Nope. He only argued that he doesn’t see things as ‘right or wrong’ but rather bases things on cause and effect. Did he condone that action? Nope. He said you could do it in a country where it was legal ( if you wanted) but that there would still be social repercussions I.E people would come and find you.
@@Khalid-Haji You’re trying to imply that he condoned it in some way but he didn’t. If there were no social consequences or repercussions for any action imaginable then yes you could in theory commit any action you wanted, however for certain actions ( like the one mentioned) there will always be repercussions so it’s a stupid point.
@@Khalid-Haji Essentially he said that there would always be repercussions for that action. So you saying ‘ in other words if there weren’t any then you could do it’ is meaningless’ since *he didn’t even acknowledge the possibility of that situation* . You’re being disingenuous
@@matthenley3886 so theres nothing wrong with the main comment. You were just upset, because he gave an example that's clearly bad from society stand point. But the point still stand. As long as theres no repercussions, you can do basically anything, is what he is saying.
@@badroboudjerda4394Lantern himself would say that no Muslim is perfect and all Muslims Sin, so how are you concluding that religious people are more moral than atheists?
@@jojos9788 There’s a popular Muslim preacher called Muhammed Hoblos who said that missing prayer is worse than r@ping children, murdering and dealing drugs *COMBINED* . As much as you wish it were true, religious people don’t have a monopoly on morality.
@@matthenley3886and how exactly do you differentiate between a ‘bigger’ vs a ‘lesser’ sin may I ask? Muslims base their morality on the Quran and the Hadiths and if there’s evidence from the religion that if someone misses one of the 5 daily prayers it’s more repulsive than sexually assaulting a child then Muslims have to agree upon the severity of missing their prayers…however atheism doesn’t even have a ground to stand upon to differentiate good vs evil…good vs evil for atheists is what they were socially conditioned to believe in
"I will turn away from My signs those who act unjustly with arrogance in the land. And even if they were to see every sign, they still would not believe in them. If they see the Right Path, they will not take it. But if they see a crooked path, they will follow it. This is because they denied Our signs and were heedless of them." Quran (7-146)
Nice one Max for not letting your anger and irritation get the better of you, by remaining calm we all enjoyed the flow of the conversation, hats off to MA he has such good manners. May Allah guide us and keep us steadfast on His religion Islam, the alternatives would be soul destroying, literally
How disgusting he is thinking about his mom with this way and laughed saying that his mother isn't his type. His mum must be so embarrassed and ashamed of her son
That's funny, there's no right and wrong or good and bad, but when you give him a scenario and ask him, he immediately be like I would arrest you even if you're on different country in which such action is legal..and he even go so far as to get his country to wage war to against it 😂
This very reason is making israel a hero in the eyes of such people!! "Hamas got what it deserved" not seeing at general public being un alived, or even thinking children are all terrorist. This is their morality 😐
Bro you are destroyed the atheist mindset in seconds that was crazy, he was speechless after that 😂😂 It is always good to see open minded and casual discussion like these with respect to each other!
بارك الله فيكم... اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين.. اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم.. رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين... لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين..... ............. ............................
Good questions posed by Max the Atheist. Good study material for Muslims. Mohammed, brother, advising to prepare better for such questions, so that we get better understanding from learned people like you. JazakAllah
damn.. this was such a clean argument by ML.. showing how atheism is a lose lose situation, and how dumb to back it up.. making connection between atheism and distopia, and leave viewers with same position with a gift of thoughts.. for those with intelligent and atheism position, your best bet is theism(and best of them is Monotheism, and best of them/actually the only one is islam), for you and everyone you care about. well done, well done.. you are a very very good Da'i, may allah bless you with more knowledge and firdaws
I think the guest noticed the issue with athiesm, and did fear it at the end, but he asked good questions and as usual mohamed knows the answers very well for these questions
His actions and anger remind me of this verse {Do you not consider how We unleash the devils on the unbelievers, inciting them with incitement} 19:83 ALHAMDULLILAH FOR ISLAM MAY ALLAH GUIDE HIM
I see lots of beneficial knowledge from this discussion (hence you picked and uploaded this one). Jazakallah, may ﷲ preserve and increase your knowledge
Watch the atheists forehead. Body language is everything, eveytime our brother answers a question with eloquence and fluidity, the atheist gets loud and his forehead creases 😅
Whats amazing about these discussions is the more islam is challenged, the stronger and more rational it actually looks. Not everybody will accept it, but at least the positions become clear.
SubhanAllah !!.. how beautifully Ali explains things. May Allah (SWT) grant him and all the people delivering the message of Allah long life and good health and protect them from every evil
The arrogance of an athiest is his badge of dishonor. He clearly does not want to understand anything. He just wants to poke his finger into your chest & say "I am right, you are wrong!".
"Convince me', he said while smirking. All Muslims : "Not every one will get Hidayah. Not up to you. Sorry." Some people will always be "covered" / "closed" (I don't know the correct English word).
People will get the truth But not all of them will follow it Some will choose not to believe in it despite knowing it's the truth That's what it means Not your twisted version
The only thing i loved about this interaction was how respectful it was. Max got frustrated a couple of time but you see how soon he smiles or realizes that he made a mistake by interrupting Muhammed, and especially brother Muhammed's ability to turn a heated interaction into a laughing conversation is truly amazing. Lastly, the compliments in the end from both parties won by heart.
He smiles because Muhammad was smart enough to see through his deception. Has nothing to do with admitting he was wrong. His arsenal had low quality weaponry.
Very informative and it was a good exchange I wish it was much longer though. My opinion is Muhammad Ali came like a shining star The Atheist guy did not have much to say he even fumbled few times
its so interesting how the calm nature brings out another face in people, getting angry for no reason other than you talking about the quran subhanallah
