Atheist Tries To Show Why GOD is Not Good: (Perfect Rebuttal!) 

God does not answer the question why there is something rather than nothing because God is a something with all the complexity of intelligence and personhood. Intelligence requires that there is a world to model and form syllogisms.

@@kos-mos1127 Did you even watch the video? You don’t have to watch the entire debate, but did you even sit through it and absorb it at all? If you did, then you must surely understand that from a theistic point of view your statement means utterly nothing. And if you didn’t, well, inanity shouldn’t beget you. And if you can’t suss out the meaning of the previous two sentences from this one, then God help you.

@@joshua2707how nice of god to make his existence confusing to many people

​@user-qg1kb8ih3g It's called free will kiddo. Revealing himself in his heavenly form would eliminate our free will. We all have purposes to fulfil and the odds of people that are meant to do great things in (say medicine) would most likely abandon that to just serve God in the way they feel truly glorifies him. Would you rather be a robot or someone who has their own autonomy?

More like PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL BS. You're trying to rationalize your bigotry with a bunch of PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL nonsense. You want to be thought of as having a lot of intelligence and knowledge, but you're not really intelligent or knowledgeable. Deep down, you know this and desperately need to feel better about yourself, hence you're bigotry.

Ya the atheist left celebrates that now

My thoughts exactly.

@@philipmitchener28 timestamp?

@@freshbakedclips4659 9:19

Yeah now it's anatomical mutilation..

All Atheists, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world DON'T KNOW and just can't understand that Jesus Christ and his Followers are not Atheists, Evolutionists, or fanatics of any Christian and non-Christian Religion in the world but Worshippers of the Creator of the heavens and the earth and all that are in and on it. All the arrogant, cruel, and merciless Atheists, Evolutionists, Christians, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world DON'T KNOW and just can't understand that their Satanic arrogance and foolishness in raising, glorifying, and exalting themselves as better, greater, powerful, glorious, higher and superior than the Creator and his Christ will definitely result in nothing but their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever while the SUBMISSIVENESS and OBEDIENCE of lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth to the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 will definitely bring them honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. All Atheists, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world DON'T KNOW and just can't understand that they will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6 while the Creator's loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the right and proper time, the Creator will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

Amen and God bless you my brother! I pray God opened your stepson’s eyes.

Great answer. Even though Ravi Zacharias let us down ultimately it does not mean his answers were wrong. Ravi, in one of his books, discusses this very thing. He was at a get together of mostly academia I believe. His answer was to ask a question back to his questioner. I will paraphrase his answer. " Since you do not believe in God but science how does science say the universe was created? The answer given was The Big Bang. Next and what was The Big Bang? How it did it happen? Answer the point of singularity. And what is the point of singularity but the point where all the rules and theories of science no longer exist, correct ? Therefore, science isn't even based on science. " Uh that ended that discussion very quickly.

Excellent analogy, but in anticipation of the expected atheist rebuttal, humans can see the sun whereas we can't see God. You're comparing a physical objects and measurable photons with an immaterial and immeasurable God.

@@RS54321 I see what you’re saying but I would respond with this: This rebuttal skirts the issue and is beside the point. The analogy points out that it is unscientific to rule out conclusions before any experiments have been done and any evidence has been collected-- which is exactly what the naturalist is doing when he says, “If I can’t measure it and observe it, it does not exist.”

And just how so does he do that? Can you give an example?

​@@reality1958 He misrepresents Christian beliefs, as pointed out in the video. Did you even watch it? Did you pay any attention to Lennox's corrections of Hitchens' misrepresentations? I don't believe for one second that someone as intelligent Hitchens was, someone who spent countless hours preparing for and participating in numerous debates like this with Christians, never once stumbled upon accurate Christian doctrines. No, he chose to misrepresent our beliefs despite being corrected repeatedly by many people and by his own research.

@@rickh9396Hitchens paints an accurate version of Christianity. When Christians are in power they justify all kinds of evil acts.

@@rickh9396 yes in fact I’ve watched the full debate several times. I was a Christian for 50 years and I think Hitchens is spot on. I’ve watched probably all of Hitchens debates. Example. Lennox responds early with the notion that somehow Christian horrors are different than the message. It is not. In fact multiple Christian atrocities are biblically based. Lennox made a big mistake here

Sorry, I disagree. Hitch doesn't understand Christianity one bit and demonstrably so. Peace.

What “humility” is involved in Lennox peddling pathetic lies about evolution and utter nonsense about branches of science he’s never bothered his pompous duff to actually study. An arrogant, dishonest old buffoon

@kerstinklenovsky239 and how beautiful is true atheist humility! ❤️

​@@stevendwyer3652"atheist humility" is an oxymoron 😂😂😂

@@valkyrie3493 why is it?

@@stevendwyer3652 because you're the most arrogant beings that ever existed. Majority of you aren't very cerebral or intelligent. Only emotional. 🌚🌚🌚

He also would not judge his children’s actions and send through them into a dark pit if they dis obeyed.

"Do as thou wilt" is true love. Your decision to play in traffic is wholeheartedly supported.

@@kos-mos1127 Nor does God. People choose to reject and hate him, and thus their existence after this world will be miserable, because God will be ever present. What will be heaven for the faithful will be hell for those who despise God.

​@@kos-mos1127​@Are you suggesting that judging someone's actions is always a terrible thing? What exactly do you think about judging someone's actions? As far as sending them to H311, that's a common framing that's used as if to suggest that the individual didn't choose it for themself. It takes responsibility off of the individual. Now we can also play around a bit with that framing. Let's take the closest example here on Earth. Do we not have prisons for people who commit crimes? Do we not rightfully sentence some individuals to life in prison? Is it not best that certain individuals should remain in prison? And while we're at it, do we not also occasionally get individuals that willingly and rightly choose to confess and go to prison? Are there not individuals that choose to stay in prison for the crimes they've committed?

​@@kos-mos1127Also, if you're reading this, please do your best to not trigger the YT tyrants' shadow algo if you expect a response to any of your replies to me from me. This is simply a heads up for if you expect or want a reply from me. If you don't care, then just type whatever it is and let the shadow algo do its thing.

So you are claiming something here that cannot be demonstrated to be real. I do believe Hitchens, when he asked that question, was referring to moral behavior that we do on earth. In real life. And there’s nothing a Christian could do that an atheist couldn’t

If that's the best you can come up with I think you just proved his point lol

Which god?

@@reality1958I would say the one good thing that an atheist cannot do that a Christian can, is to do good out of a right motive that is not self-focused. The good things that an atheist does are always about him or herself and proving how good and worthy they are. Only believers can do good out of love for God.

That was pathetic, all atheist are self absorbed. You are full of yourself.

This is a factual statement.

Amen.

Amen@@ella5319

The old testament God did not love its enemies. He destroys them

No he did but he gave the law of Moses which was a unfinished moral code FOR THE TIME and it was said that the Christ would come and finish it this is why when he died on the cross he said its finished and dropped his head@@lionzion1879

Exactly!

"You vill own nothing unt be happy." Now eat your bugs!

Also what does he want God to do, close His eyes? 😂

So what are your views on your mythical gods wonderful natural creations such as tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes etc which have been wiping out millions of innocent people, babies and all since humans walked the earth. Not forgetting the great flood he created which basically wiped out the human race. Actually, that's a lie, there was no great flood but if you still believe that then why do you worship a narcissistic psychotic mass murderer !!

AMEN

Morality, which is defined by we humans, is behavior that exhibits kindness to others. To me that is the highest morality. If following a god achieves and focuses on that goal then fine

Christian’s did not do anything that atheist cannot do. Jesus was turned into a legendary figure so he cannot be used as an argument.

Still need to show evidence for your god

Its the greatest commandment, is it not?

Amen!!! I love how God works!! So many are actually coming to faith through Hitchens and Dawkins! Even one of Dawkins close associates went onto Ray Comforts channel and shared his testimony. What I've learned through all this is that God seeks and saves the lost sheep. And despite human and the enemies (Satan's) attempts to dissuade and detour people from accepting him. It reminds me of the story of Baalam where he wanted to use the prophet to curse the Israelites and instead of cursing the Israelites God kept blessing them!😎

Wow such an inspiring testimony. Thank you so much for sharing.

There is never anything to be gained from rational people debating the religious, it’s like two people arguing when neither one of them understands a word of the other’s language.

If you really understand Hitchens, you should have been an atheist and not believing in God without any evidence of his existence. Lennox is flat out strawmanning Hitchens here. No shred of critical thinking in your response whatsoever. Sad.

@@JazzyArtKL what evidence would you need in order to believe that God exists?

The Lord is near to ALL who call upon Him in truth. I found a Rescued not Arrested Bible in county jail. Changed my life. My family is healed and by His Grace my life is restored. Be safe and well.

Christianity offer nothing but empty promises.

Lennox makes it easy to justify my atheism, i feel my IQ drop everytime Lennox speaks.

lennox is a moron. you can put that one in the bank

@@LuciferAlmighty I pray you continue to watch these types of videos! God Bless you my friend.

@@LuciferAlmighty An atheist that loves Satan...quite the paradox you're going for there.

Frank always seemed angry and disappointed with life while Hitchens was content and at peace.

@@kos-mos1127 😄 funny.

@@kos-mos1127 🧌

Hitchens did these debates because he felt that religion is a potential threat to goodness…and he has a point

@reality1958 yes, and he was not totally wrong, but he didn't do his homework well. For one he lump all religion as one. Second he talks of goodness, without a God, there is no such thing as good, evil, right, wrong.

Given the number of mistakes god has made its pretty accurate to say he is accurate

@@francisa4636 What exactly are those mistakes? How did you come to the conclusion that they're mistakes?

@JiraiyaSama86 Where does one begin lol ... how about letting things getting so out of hand that he had to commit genocide or having a bible that contradicts itself in many places that's used to arrive at opposite moral positions or forgetting to smite Abraham for having an incestuous relationship with his half sister. The list goes on and on. These are charitably called mistakes the only other option is that God is evil

​@@francisa4636you're attempting to use the gift of free will against God? You'd prefer tyrannical automation over free will and having the grace of a creator?

@anthonyoer4778 free will doesn't exist, nor does free will negate the fact that the bible is contradictory or that genocide on God's own creation is indicative of a mistake nor any of the other mistakes in the bible. Do better

Are Atheists and Christians worshippers of the Creator? ANSWER - No, Atheists and Christians KNOW that they hate the Creator and want their families and neighbors and the whole world to hate him too and believe their LIE and false claim that the Creator is unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD. Are the lives, dignities, and existence on earth of human beings important and valuable to the Creator? ANSWER - Yes, The Creator KNOWS that Atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions are mocking and insulting him as worthless and useless but he knows too that all lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth who willingly submit to the authority of his Christ and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of GOD" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 are his Worshippers and Followers of his Christ on earth who can be trusted with anything and are worthy and deserving of his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. The Creator KNOWS that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6 but he knows too that he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

Atheist lack belief in the supernatural. We are sharing the wisdom.

Show any evidence for your god

​@@kos-mos1127 , There isn't a single atheist philosopher who defines atheism as "lacktheism"! Welcome to the 21st century.

​@@brianmesser12 , Evidence to the atheist is like dreaming of playing an air guitar, waking up, convinced you're a virtuoso.

Hitchens uses flowery language to convince you to accept his underlying premises; it takes practice to ignore the fluff and focus on the crux of the message being delivered.

@@alisterrebelo9013 he is essentially my literary antithesis. I try to make things as short, simple, and direct as possible. He's far more refined

But did Lennox? Because Lennox responded with a narrative that seemed to seperate the horrors of Christianity from the message of the bible…when actually numerous Christian horrors were biblically based

@@reality1958 perhaps you should listen to his response again

Hitchens was quite good at masking the straw man and petitio principii fallacies. He was very good at arguing for the emotions of the observers, rather than addressing his interlocutor in good faith.

You're exactly right. He knows God personally in that he knows his character. Oftentimes we hear people paint a picture of God based on misunderstandings and faulty human reasoning. This rebuttal definitely makes sense to the mind of Christ!!

Glad you think so…..

🙏🏼🙌🏼

Really then the “holy spirit “ is lacking

The holy spirit has came into me many times. The only thing I want anymore is for the holy spirit to keep coming into me everyday and every single moment because it feels so good when the holy spirit comes inside me. It just gets better when he calls me a naughty boy and that just gets me going.

It always amazes me the mental gymnastics Christians go through to absolve god of guilt. As if he isn't responsible for evil despite the fact that he allegedly created everything. Like he didn't curse all humanity for the sin of his first children who had no concept of what sin was until they were tricked by something which did, who god also created and allowed to interact with them.

​@@amaizenblue44just go and sin in peace. Leave God out of your choices. 🙄🙄🙄

@@valkyrie3493 lol. OK. Satan says hello. 🙄🙄

@@amaizenblue44 So you do believe that there is God. You just don't want to acknowledge Him as your God.

@@wavemaker2077 I don't believe in any god, angel, demon, satan, ghost, leprechaun, vampire, or santa claus.

Exactly. And he doesn't try to hide behind clever language or put his opponent down. He's an absolutely class man.

……without being proud of the fact (and often secretly sad about it)

I think he meant something sensible

@@bobwilkinson2008 sensible and Hitchens should never be in the same sentence.

Ooh can I play, too? Become a priest and touch up little boys Get tax breaks/relief for religious organisations Completely disregard the burden of proof How's that?

@@corundergroundreligion8190 LOL

The Creator KNOWS that he authorized and sent Jesus Christ from heaven to earth thousands of years ago to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings. Jesus Christ KNOWS that thousands of years ago, he revealed that the Creator is the True and Sovereign GOD and exposed Satan the Devil as the Father of Lies and Murderer of Human beings ATHEISTS and EVOLUTIONISTS WILL NOT LIVE and LAST on EARTH FOREVER Jesus Christ KNOWS that all Atheists and Evolutionists who let themselves be tricked and deceived by Satan the Devil to reject his authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless and fill the world instead with the LIE and false claim that the Creator doesn't exist and even if existing is still unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths... lied to, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil. FANATICS of ALL RELIGIONS WILL NOT LIVE and LAST on EARTH FOREVER Jesus Christ KNOWS that all Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world who let themselves be tricked and deceived by Satan the Devil to reject his authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless and fill the world instead with their own LIES and false teachings about "Trinity", "heaven and hellfire", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation" will never be glorified in their make-believe and fairy tale Heaven nor tortured for eternity in their invented and fictitious Hell but just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths.... lied to, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil. WORSHIPPERS of the CREATOR WILL LIVE and EXIST on EARTH FOREVER The Creator KNOWS that all lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth who willingly submit to the authority of his Christ and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of GOD" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 are his Worshippers and Followers of his Christ on earth who can be trusted with anything and are worthy and deserving of his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. The Creator KNOWS that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6 but he knows too that he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

Salvation from what?

I believe what they're saying is that Hitchens fought every step of the way to deny the existing God and any need for a personal savior but like Shakespeare's quote, "Me thinks he doth protest too much." After all, if God doesn't exist, why so angry at him?

@@bensonbrett30 from oblivion

I’ve seen Oblivion it’s wild (cool too )@@santiagoz.s.1024

@@santiagoz.s.1024 What is oblivion?

That is a thing?

As a high ranking warrior for the Realm of Common Sense I hereby challenge your puny god warrior! Hurrah!

"god"? What is "god"? No Christian believes in or worships "god." I Am is not "god." ​@@stevendwyer3652

Agree.... he's a definition of "I'm humble because I'm a savage"in a good way

The opposition would fall about laughing in Lenny is the best they have.

Are Atheists and Christians worshippers of the Creator? ANSWER - No, Atheists and Christians KNOW that they hate the Creator and want their families and neighbors and the whole world to hate him too and believe their LIE and false claim that the Creator is unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD. Are the lives, dignities, and existence on earth of human beings important and valuable to the Creator? ANSWER - Yes, The Creator KNOWS that Atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions are mocking and insulting him as worthless and useless but he knows too that all lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth who willingly submit to the authority of his Christ and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of GOD" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 are his Worshippers and Followers of his Christ on earth who can be trusted with anything and are worthy and deserving of his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. The Creator KNOWS that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6 but he knows too that he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

Assertions from ancient near eastern man is not evidence. God did not create anything. A fictional entity does not have the power to create.

​@@kos-mos1127its not very hard at that level..😂

​@kos-mos1127 atheists put blind faith in the belief that a non-programmed-by-a-Mind, unguided-by-a-Mind accident can be "trusted" to give them "truth." I don't have enough blind faith to be an atheist!

Like evil, suffering, cruelty thanks GOD

You and me both

“Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.” Oh the irony!! Remember the good old days when thoughtful atheists, that is when “thoughtful” moral subjectivist’s and “thoughtful” epistemological nihilists used to give intelligent and powerful arguments [for] a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism??? NEITHER DO I!! Or even better!! Remember the good old days when thoughtful atheists, that is when “thoughtful” moral subjectivist’s and “thoughtful” epistemological nihilists used to give intelligent and powerful arguments [against] the fundamental nature of [MIND/CONSCIOUSNESS/THE ACTUAL/THE ONE/MONOTHEISM]??? NEITHER DO I!! Interesting fact, “NEW ATHEISM” that is moral subjectivism and epistemological nihilism is exactly like the old atheism if the old atheism was bitten by two infected bats called Darth Dawkins and Darth profoundly pointless and got a over Zealous strain of RABIES!!

I bet it sounded epic in your head, dimwit

Mark Twain

@@James-wv3hxcongrats, you can quote literature. Care to share an original thought of your own to defend your atheism?

@@NeonDemon88 Former Episcopalian Priest Alan Watts explains that Preachers are dangerous and that everybody and EVERYTHING IS God in his lectures - On Being God. And - What is Reality?

I know many like myself who believe in a higher power, but don't believe in the Christian representation of the Angry (worship me or burn in agony) God.

@@down-the-rabbit-hole I don't believe in such a god. The one I believe is the One who died on the Cross.

@@leoteng1640 That's fine, you are allowed to have your "opinion"

Well put ....

Having read Summa Theologiae on the subject of evil, I can tell you that the concept of evil is very nuanced. There is the concept of penalty cause of evil which is by God as the author of all creation, and evil caused by the fault committed by the person. If you do evil (fault) and the consequence is burned in hell, this is evil cause created by God and it is logical. The evil you do is not caused or created by God, it is your own free will as the perpetrator to face the consequence of your actions. Imagine if there is no "bad" consequence to evil actions, what kind of justice will there be.

I ask in all sincerity If he was wrong ? If he was correct? Jesus is Lord Jesus Saves! Be safe and well.

Source?

Einstein rejected the idea of the biblical god.

​@@markh1011He was wrong. He was wrong about many things. Your point? 😂

@@bassmanjr100 The point... is that the original post is trying to use Einstein as some sort of authority but the quote does not represent his actual position. I'm surprised I needed to explain that. 😂

@@markh1011😂

That’s a really good point. Learn from Hitchens mistakes people! He’s a believer now.

​@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Facts

​@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom - *citation needed 😅

Atheist never acknowledged God even on their death bed and passed on in peace. Christians are the ones having visions of hell before the die and screaming for the laws get to pray.

@@Daily_Dose_Of_WisdomI looked it up on google and it said he didn’t covert to Christianity

Precisely. The man was damned fool and a blithering ignoramus. Why anyone is dumb enough to mistake him for a thinking human being baffles me.

That is why Hitchens arguments can be defeated so easily. They only seem to be good arguments to the ignorant.

Quite the opposite , Hitchens is known all around the world, percentage of atheists increased in the last 20 years despite theists breeding like rabbits, so we can conclude Hitchens,Sam Harris etc all of the new atheists did very well on these debates@@thomaswayneward

@@Saskobest The fact is that according to the Russian Communist propaganda machine, that is the genocidal maniac Joseph Stalin… “Death is the solution to all problems, no man no problem.” - [Joseph Stalin]. Sorry but when you lie, stereotype, straw man and malign Christ you are not raging against the MACHINE, you’re raging FOR THE MACHINE. Equally, Hitchens was a Trotskyist and the irony is that it’s common knowledge that in the end Christopher Hitchens actually became an apologist for the dirty deeds of the American empire…furthermore, I like how you claimed “Hitchens and Harris did well” right? Well they have both been caught out promoting the use of lies, using half truths and blatant factual errors to purposely deceive. If you want to claim that they “DID WELL” with deceiving a lot of people that’s a self own on multiple levels!! I also like how you conveniently missed this little DIAMOND CUTTER that slices right through Hitchens self refuting “RAZOR” because in Christopher Hitchens own words… “The crucial thing is to be willing and able, if not in fact eager, to kill them without pity before they get started.” (Christopher Hitchens). It's that last phrase that's particularly chilling. Reference: ('The Age' 5th September 2002):

@@Saskobest Furthermore, Christopher Hitchens associate the high priest of “new atheism” Sam Harris actually had the balls to brag that… “I am one of the few people I know of who has argued in print that torture may be an ethical necessity.” (Sam Harris). According to the human rights lawyer Lutz Oette…. “Torture is one of the ultimate abuses of state power, and the use of extreme violence that exploits the powerlessness of individuals subject to state control is anathema to the rule of law. It easily becomes a license to target anyone who is declared to be a threat” (Lutz Oette). It gets even worse because according to Christopher Hitchens associate Sam Harris… “The only thing likely to ensure our survival may be a nuclear first strike of our own ” (Sam Harris). Sorry but if you’re going to defend Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and “new atheism” don’t forget to defend torture, “killing without pity before they get started” and preemptive nuclear strikes on men, women and children!! As i pointed out already, “NEW ATHEISM” that is fatalism and epistemological nihilism is exactly like the old atheism if the old atheism was bitten by two infected bats called DARTH HITCHENS and DARTH HARRIS and got a over Zealous strain of RABIES!! Everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find it totally ridiculous, totally fatalistic, totally nihilistic and totally and utterly SELF refuting!! NOT to mention dangerous. Prove me “WRONG”? I’ll wait!! I rest my case!! CHECKMATE NIHILIST!!

It's interesting to me how atheists like Hitches cannot state their POV in simpler terms. You are assuming that every atheists is smarter than any Christian but as I watched the debate it seemed to me that Lennox did not have to cloud his POV with a large vocabulary which Hitchens uses to try and make himself " appear " as the smartest person on the stage. It's a great debate technique but it is merely camouflage for the weakness of his positions. The commentator was merely getting rid of all the " fluff" Hitchens always uses to state Hitchens POV in a more direct and succinct manner which Hitchens either cannot do or does deliberately to hide the weakness of his actual statements.

@@Laird1956 English is my second language and I understand Hitchens perfectly (a bit harder when listening to J.Peterson though). You don't understand Hitchens and I don't see arguments of the other side as valid, but I respect the speaker though. This seems to be a good topic for a debate, but it's one sided depending on who's listening.

So again thank you for re-emphasing my point. Your reply and your original comment assume that atheists are always the " smartest people in the room ". I understand Hitchens perfectly. Every word, every meaning of everything he said. There's no reason to discuss any further with you because it seems that although you understand Hitchens perfectly and I according to you don't. ( an incorrect assumption) you apparently cannot understand my basic point which is atheists assume that all Christians are not as smart as they are. I have studied the atheist POV for years. Read all the books. Seen all the arguments So I have investigated my opponent. Have you done a deep dive to really understand Christianity? Maybe you have...I'm sure you're very bright. Being smart is overrated. I will take wisdom. It's hard in a text to convey my POV without sounding as if I am trying to stroke my own ego. Please understand that is not my purpose. I try every day to surrender it. So I will not debate who's the smartest people in any room because it's unprovable but I will pray that you at least open up your own mind that there does at least exist a possibility that humans may not be as smart as we think we are. I will pray for you.

@@Laird1956 So much to discuss and talk about here...I was just surprised when you wrote that Hitchens should use simpler language. I apologize for implying that you didn't understand him. I'm profoundly convinced that the the gospel is greatly misinterpreted by the church and therefore misleading. I also am conviced the christian portrayal of God is misleading, too so I don't believe in that God. I believe that the Universe isn't stupid as it couldn't have produced an intelligent beings. I believe we are in a sense an image of this intelligent Universe, we came from it, and eventually going back to it. I don't believe God is outside the Universe. I believe that everything is God. The reality itself. The existence itself. An intelligent existence which is so close, so simple that you don't see it.

In your world view where how did the universe begin? Just curious.

Cristopher Hitchens never acknowledged God even on his death bed and rested in peace.

@@kos-mos1127 that's sad

​@@kos-mos1127well, maybe he rested in peace. Or maybe he didn't.

@@Taydutt13 What’s sad is believing in near eastern fairytales.

Meaning?

This is apt! The hypothetical rendering of the ethical framework that binds us and the divergence it breeds has made those who give their all to the restoration of meaning in existential reality, moral and ethical structures raving lunatics…such a shame.

The real, raging, and existing BATTLE to the DEATH on PLANET EARTH - ATHEISTS, EVOLUTIONISTS, CHRISTIANS, and fanatics of ALL RELIGIONS VS. JESUS CHRIST and his GOD and FATHER Atheists, Evolutionists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions in the world KNOW and are fully aware that they are all NOT Worshippers of the Creator, the God and Father of Jesus Christ but the Spreaders of the Satanic LIE and false claim that the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ doesn't exist and even if existing is still unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Most High and Sovereign GOD and they're also fully aware that they're NOT believers of the BIBLICAL teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" but the Spreaders of the Satanic LIES, falsehoods and UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines about "Trinity", "heaven and hellfire", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation". The Creator KNOWS that his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, perverts, slanderers, traitors, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8 is NOT for Liars and spreaders of Lies and deceits, NOT for Atheists, Evolutionists, Satanists, and fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian Religions but ONLY for lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth who willingly submit to the authority of his Christ and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of GOD" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 The Creator KNOWS that all Atheists, Evolutionists, fanatics of all kinds of Religions, and all liars and spreaders of lies will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths while his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the right and proper time, he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

Just remember that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, just as King Solomon says in Proverbs. However, it isn't fear in the implicit sense, meaning to be afraid, rather fear here is translated into meaning having due awe and reverence towards God.

My friend. I don't see how anyone can miss the love and kindness expressed to us in Christ either. But then I'm also reminded of the Pharasees that had every miracle and good deed that Jesus performed in front of them continuously misinterpreted and spiritual blindness was at work! They even accused him of being demon possessed! How could they come up with that observation?🤔 When Lennox argued I understood him so well in that we know the same person. And it sounds like you know him too!! We want others to experience the life and love of Christ so much. But we can't control the results. We just have to trust that his sheep hear his voice and that he is drawing people to himself.

babble

@@Saskobest “Babble” Cringe atheism and triggered atheism in full effect!!

TLDR. Was it about how "special" you are in the eyes of the very Creator of the Universe, how he "loves you" and "won't let you die" because you are so "special"?

@@donthesitatebegin9283 Yes, christians believe that humans are special. Acording Bible, they where created to the Creator's image.

@@robitibor777 Hoist by your own petard. So funny.

​@@donthesitatebegin9283Then let us say we are merry as a midsummer's jest!

You cannot disprove that unicorns or pixies exist but that is no reason to believe that they exist in reality! The same applies to ALL god concepts that people believed in or still believe! And it is preposterous to believe that an imaginary "entity" that is supposed to "exist" "out of space and out of time", that "itself" was not "created" ( special pleading), and is also supposed to have "created everything out of nothing" ( again special pleading ), the trillions and trillions of galaxies, stars, planets, black holes, etc with the coming into existence of the species of big apes called the Homosapiens, after millions of years of evolution, in mind! It is even more absurd and preposterous to also believe that such an imaginary "entity" would care about what and when the Homosapiens should eat, what clothes women should wear, with whom they should have sex with and in what position, etc! The imaginary "entity" is also not detectable in any way! It looks very much like something that does not exist isn't it? There is not a shred of evidence for the existence of ANY god or Allah or whatever name they gave to their non-existing celestial dictator so it's about time to grow up and to leave all that supernatural nonsense of ANY religion and all those bronze age myths behind and to deal with the REAL NATURAL WORLD!

How can a finite being PROVE an infinite being?

@@stevendwyer3652 the concept of an imaginary God is on purpose constructed in a way that it cannot be falsified. It is an imaginary "entity" that is supposed to "exist" "out of space and out of time", that "itself" was not "created" ( special pleading), and is supposed to have "created" everything "out of nothing" ( again special pleading) with the coming into existence, after millions of years of evolution, of the species of big apes called the Homosapiens, in mind. That's absurd of course! And moreover "it" is not detectable in any way! That are exactly the same characteristics of something that does not exist! That's very suspicious isn't it? But the crux of christianity ( and of all the other religions I know of ) has been debunked by science and more precisely by evolution. So better stick to reality and to leave all that supernatural nonsense of ANY religion and all those bronze age myths behind and to deal with the REAL NATURAL WORLD!

@@stevendwyer3652 Like the reverse they can't also. The infinite being must reveal themselves to each finite being.

@@protovici1476 i do not believe there is an infinite being. Nor do I believe any Christian when they claim there to be. Every theist who describes a 'personal god' or 'personal relationship' with god is suffering from severe mental illnesses and delusions of grandeur. Treatable conditions if only you would seek the right help

Brilliant- thanks. I am happy to collect your gullibility money for my god because he wants me to get a new beer fridge and put an air conditioner in the bedroom so he can send me cool or warm off-season messages.

​@VaughanMcCue one thing that he forgot to mention (even though he didn't have to): If your wishes brings you closer God, then it's from God If you're wishes pushes you away from God, then it's not from God Jesus taught us to be contempt with what we have, in the story of the rich man (Matthew 19). To yearn for materialistic things to please our materialistic desires is not from God

@@AreEnTee I am sure your comment has fallacious thinking, but I can remember its description. Mythical stories like this originate in Greek and other ancient traditions. Is wishing for a return to the health of a sick child materialistic? If I pray that my bank robbery goes to plan and I succeed, as long as I am thankful to my chosen god, will you and Zeus be happy?

@VaughanMcCue i would say wishing for health is not materialistic, but robbing a bank is. If you rob a bank, you are robbing other people's money that's not yours. Whereas wishing for health is completely different scenario compared to a bank robbery And I am sorry for my ignorance, can you tell me why my comment might have fallacious thinking?

@@AreEnTee Health is material because we can see and feel the results by measurement. For example, a cure for a fever would show that the infection has gone because the bacteria will be dead under a microscope, and the body temperature will return to normal. Robbing a bank is no different than church leaders tricking gullible and poor people into giving 'god' their money and the pastor (god's self-appointed manager) using the money for whatever he wants. Banks charge interest but do not give it to the poor like in Prov 28:8, but a bank robber who steals and gives to the poor IS doing their god's work. The fallacy is Affirming the Consequent, but I am a unsure. Chat GBT:- Imagine you have a rule: "If it rains, the ground gets wet." Now, someone might see wet ground and think, "Ah, it must have rained!" But here's the thing: Just because the ground is wet doesn't mean it rained. Maybe someone watered the plants, or there was a leaky pipe. So, affirming the consequent fallacy is when you assume that because something happened. (the ground is wet), the initial condition must have happened, too (it must have rained). However, there could be other reasons for the result besides the initial condition. There is something you might like to think about. What test do you or any believer use to verify that their actions are what their god wants? It would appear as though that person is claiming to know the mind of their god. I believe that is true because everyone invents a god that suits themselves. Some real Christians think Saturday is the correct holy day, and others believe it is Sunday. If they are both correct, then you have to accept all the different rules that every Christian denomination adopts, such as approved foods, yes or no to blood transfusions, yes or no to polygamy, etcetera. For a perfect book, the bible is undoubtedly a source of great confusion. 1Cor 14:16

If course it must feel good to tell yourself that you can do as you please without consequence.

@@valkyrie3493 freedom

@@17vmrivasdragqueen story hour

⁠@@valkyrie3493who is saying such a thing? Nonsense.

@@damienschwass9354 nonsense atheists. 🌚🌚🌚

I see Hitchens as someone who focuses on logic and evidence

​@@reality1958 , Hitch had absolutely no understanding of philosophy.

@@reality1958 He does neither of those things. He uses a lot of rhetoric, vivid emotional imagery, and "whataboutism" fallacies. That's pretty much all he had. Nobody intelligent should take him seriously.

Although many claim to be his fans I can't believe anybody benefits or enjoys listening to his meandering, filibustering, straw-man diatribes.

Charm is deceptive...

Love that scripture

Neither atheism or theism say or do or hold any other views or stances beyond one thing-is there any gods?

Atheism is not a belief system. Of course it has no moral framework. It's like asking what is your moral framework as an a-unicornist? How does that frame your morality? It doesn't. And neither does atheism

I see your error. You were evaluating different worldviews based on personal expediency and utility when you should really have judged them on evidence and rationality. You abandoned truth because deep down you just wanted a magic genie.

⁠@@TurinTuramber Morality and purpose are not merely utilities of a worldview, they are central aspects to truth, life, and meaning. Atheism cannot say why it is objectively wrong to torture a child. It fails a basic truth test.

@@Nathan-vt1jz Atheism isn't a social justice framework, just means there are no compelling argument for any Gods. Simple actually. Funny to me how the people pretending to have objective morality decreed by God are the same people that will partially cut off an infant's penis and offer it up as a literal blood sacrifice. They then tell their children for years that they will burn in hellfire for eternity if they don't enter into their superstitious cult and then have the temerity to lecture atheists about their "superior" objective morality regarding torturing children.

The fall of man is made up to justify the failings of their made up God.

@@kos-mos1127 why do you believe that

​@@kos-mos1127So I have an honest question. So we both seem to agree that this world is in a fallen or imperfect state. Do you believe that evolution has failed because it couldn't come up with the perfect world? How does evolution overcome the problem of suffering, people harming one another and death?

@@kladies3021 I do not believe the world is fallen. I just said the fall of men was made up to justify their man made God.

​​@@kos-mos1127Ok, so you don't define it as fallen. So what is the evolutionist or atheists prescription for suffering, death, or people committing heinous crimes against one another? I've been trying to understand how one with an atheistic mind thinks outside of your lack of beliefs in God.

I find it fascinating, in a similar vein, that believers like to talk about unbelievers. Atheists talk about these topics because in commonly to an atheist, they only get one life, and believers may be sabotaging that. Or in some cases, believers have actively bee sabotaging their life. Just as a believer may see unbelief as dangerous (albeit, for the unbeliever alone), so too does the unbeliever see these beliefs as a danger. (Danger isn't the only reason, but it is a common one.)

Almost like they live in a world that talks about gods a lot.

​@Eliza-rg4vw How would a believer "sabotage" someone else's life? I think that statement implies an underlying "ought" or purpose to life, that can be sabotaged. As an atheist, what is that? What do you mean that believers "sabotage" their own life? That they spend their lives living in a false knowledge that God exists? How exactly is that a negative? Your statement again presumes an underlying "meaning" of life that would be "sabotaged" by focusing on God instead of something else. What is that?

@@Eliza-rg4vw We can agree on one thing: we all have only one life. In most cases, we are not telling you that you can't live as you please, we are telling you how you *should consider* living it. Calling this 'sabotage' is bad faith, but I'm used to bad faith arguments.

@@alisterrebelo9013 It's not uncommon for someone to clearly identify say their family's religion as a point of hardship in their life. Sabotage is a strong word, but it's fitting there. Religious povs are also not just telling us how we should live it, but making laws in direct support of these said beliefs that to others seem to be grounded purely in their religion and not anything else. The saying "No hate like Christian love" doesn't exist because Christians are kind.

Notice how no one or not many critiques Martin Luther King Jnr. speeches. Two of the reasons are because MLK Jnr. spoke truth with love and did not mischaracterize his opponents, which is quite unlike Mr. Hitchens caricature/strawman of God as the 1984 Big Brother.

@@alisterrebelo9013 I agree with the straw man point. A lot of his arguments are superficial and emotive, rather than having great substance.

@@ben0298Hitchens was a well spoken atheist for sure

He was an entertainer, but also a moron.

You ask "why are people so eager to prove there is no God" - and then answer your own question with a disturbing rant about the post-death fate of everybody that dares to doubt you. "You don’t believe, move on, do you" - you say. But why can't you follow your own advice? It's because you secretly know it's all a wishful-thinking delusion - which is why you overreact to any challenge - your interlocutors can't just be wrong, they have to burn in Hell just so you can live forever in Heaven (!?). It's called Narcissistic-Grandiose Personality Disorder and you are possessed by an especially vile, poisonous version of it.

I hope he was saved.

He'd have to accept God _before_ judgment - there aren't any second chances after death, but we have many until we take our final breath (or the mark, whichever happens first). Did he die?

@@angiew2324 He did die

​@@angiew2324Not true, even after death Jesus' unfathomable mercy beckons the soul to enter paradise. And if it refuses, it sentences itself to hell. Read the Diary of Saint Faustina.

​​​@@angiew2324according to hundreds of NDEs that is false. Jesus has pulled many from Hell when they truly asked for him. Many NDEers attest to this. There is a difference between eternity and forever. We think within the context of time. Outside of time one moment feels like centuries and a moment at the same time. When one goes to Hell it is for eternity but eternity is not forever. You can be in Hell for just a moment and that would feel like an eternity because there is no time. At least, this is the explaination I have gleaned through listening to hundreds of NDEs. The key to understanding that is one woman who died and spoke to her guardian angel and thr angel told her "I have known you for eternities." In the plural. Wrap your head around that. Howard Storm is a great Hell testimony where Jesus saved him.

yep, we'll find out the answer in 4.5 billion years...

And then began again.

LOL

​@@kos-mos1127How so?