Atheists Are Immoral Explain Why I'm Wrong | Luke - Phoenix, AZ | Atheist Experience 22.32 

How can he say “on what grounds?” As if slavery has a different meaning. Slavery is slavery regardless

@@anthonylong9067 when he replies “on what grounds?”, he’s pretending in his head that he just asked the same question back to Matt and that Matt responded “yes, slavery is immoral” and now he’s retorting “on what grounds?”... he’s being a smartass because he doesn’t think Matt has a good reason for rejecting slavery without having a god tell him to when the truth is that BOTH of them reject slavery for the SAME secular reason, even though the caller won’t admit it.... because it certainly isn’t the bible that convinced the caller slavery was wrong.

Any "slavery" in the Bible wasn't slavery like black people in the USA. It was people paying off a debt to someone. They didn't have the means to pay it off with cash or goods, so they worked for the other person as a servant, etc. until the debt was paid. They were still free to live normal lives outside of the work they were doing for the person they were indebted to.

@@markjohnson7887 Nope.

@@markjohnson7887 No it wasn’t. You are talking about Indentured Servitude (which is also immoral but irrelevant to this conversation) No matter what the reasons…Owning another person as property is Immoral & the Bible Allows this. It says to “buy your slaves from the heathen that surround you” and that they are possessions that you can pass onto your children as an inheritance. Stop trying to justify slavery. It’s making you look like an absolute waste of life. But even if the bible mentioned nothing about slavery…what about all the other evil & immoral things it advocates? Is it moral to stone unruly children to death? Is it moral to force rape victims to marry their rapists? Is it moral to subjugate women? Is it moral to kill homosexuals? Is it moral to kill accuse outspoken women of been witches in order to kill them? Is it moral to kill an entire people & keep all the virgins for yourselves? Your Bible has got you making excuses for evil. Educate yourself & stop behaving like the ignorant savages that wrote your book of fairytales.

LOL....I saw what you did. *(evil laughter and lightning pealing in the background)*

😂. All the time, for sure.

Some married couples think they own their spouses. Some men I know tell me they own their wives.

@@haurenox7686 Well if women are bought as merchandise in a ceremony called a wedding, my question is who married her??

@@sherrib4168 Her future owner aka THE husband. One of the things Abrahamic religions agree on.

I was gonna say "bibles not big on gray areas and splitting hairs. Crime 1? Stoning. No exceptions. Etc." But caller could be true to Bible in this. On grounds of "you're my chosen ppl, so you can own 'the foreigner'." Yeah. Exceptions to own fellow Jews. For awhile. Then exceptions to THAT too. But it fits with his "on what grounds". If not with any reasonable definition of morality.

Apparently if you're a jew, it's awesome. Otherwise, immoral.

Try being a slave for awhile and let us know how much you like it.

That's not necessarily what he _thinks_ , he might've been trying to make some point (God knows what) , but that's certainly what it implies. Most likely he was just using 'on what grounds' as another generic term of rebuttal without paying any thought to the implications of that statement.

TBF, there are some schools of morality where it probably is moral to own slaves. Technically almost any action can be called moral if you haven't defined your school of morality.

Look up Matt's episode about the "Mafia Boss" ....😅

It’s exactly the reason I say “even IF any god would exist I wouldn’t worship him/her.” Acknowledge, sure. I’m not stupid, I don’t deny the existence of the Eiffel Tower. I can see it with my own fucking eyes. If I see god I’ll acknowledge he exist. Nót worship, nót pray to, nót let him have any part in my life. Fuck you, narcissistic asshole. “Worship me or suffer” is not a choice, it’s extortion and sadism and you lose any credibility you had for being a loving, caring deity. Especially since family-murdering child rapists get into heaven when they “sincerely accept gawd in form of his son” (you know the one, the illegitimate child of a 13 year old girl). Seriously, how can any rational being believe that crap?

*knock knock* Who's there? Jesus, let me in. Why do you want to come in? To save you. From what? From what I'll do to you if you don't let me in.

@Scott Scotty That in of itself isn't the issue... He made hell, sure. I mean, YOU also punish your kids for stuff they f*ck up. The issue comes when you have to consider He has made everyone exactly so they would make the choices they would make. Basically, he created people to go to hell.

@Scott Scotty Even if God wouldn't do that and would punish "them" for just 1,5s - it would still be _by his design_.

Ugh.. that guy is a tool. He's sooooo dishonest and slimy. And his banana nonsense shows his stupidity as the bananas we have in the supermarkets are those that are genetically modified!

Nothing like good ol’ projection to bring comfort to the insecure. That bastard has done a lot worse than lie, but so long as he can pretend he’s doing some good, he can rest easy in his own demented little mind.

Just because you believe it' is a myth don't necessarily mean it is a myth.

@- that's your opinion not facts! Many Archaeology discoveries have proven the bible to be true. So do you believe man should commit sinful acts? If you do then you need the bible mate!

@- the arc can never be found because you and me are all apart of it! People just don't know it! A lot of the things in the bible are true with a twist! Has your father ever told you to figure things out? I use to call the bible bullshit until! I realised that it's beyond lies. Parables is what jesus spoke right?! Well just pretend the whole book is a big parable! You just got to figure it out all by yourself!

@- you say we don't need the bible to have morals? Yeah. Obviously!! Because the bible is already coded and has evolved through all human consciousness. The laws you live by and abide under government laws are of the Torah, bible. And laws and rules given thousands of years by christ! You atheist are under a spell of cristianity, religion morality without you even knowing! And now claiming it just evolved from thin air but all the time you were taught through adaptation! Person to person. Jesus. Lives in all human consciousness now. Wether your atheist or not! He's the bread of life! That's what He was meaning! About being the bread of life!

@@Eyaneeka just because you believe its true doesn't make it true, see how intellectually lazy that is?

religion was never meant to be good nor moral, and yet we have adults claiming this book has anything valuable, is as valuable as any other literature written by humans, but not more important, it's just writing, but a bad and primitve one

Plus, JC's instruction "sell all your stuff, give the money to the poor..." ...hence becoming the poor and waiting for the next sucker... Ain't exactly communism. But it's not far. And even less sustainable.

But communism is better than capitalism.

@@winstonjen5360 yea..?

Michael Valente the new testaments describes Jesus as a liberal. The testaments that testify Jesus in a very progressive-and liberal way, angers Christians and Catholics . The religious want it to be ok to have slaves, want the church they go to should lead Christianity or Catholicism. The atheists just want to be nice to one another. The religious want to jail those that talk bad about Jesus or there religions. You see? The Bible’s are immoral, the laws are not. You want to follow the immoral and because the Bible is immoral you demand it not be immoral because Jesus wrote the testaments...? Only Jesus wrote nothing at all... After Jesus died...again ! So called prophets wrote the testaments. You believe the testaments are moral because there moral? But there not moral

@@winstonjen5360 tell that to the ussr

And who's your girlfriend?

arashink Where does it say that ?

Bob Rabbins Slaves

@@drewwilliams6016 - The slavery passage can be found in Exodus 21. It's disturbing in that the law states that after a certain number of years the slave will go free, in effect making it a form of indentured servitude. But if the master who owns the slave gives him a wife, and the servant and the wife start a family, the women and the children still belong to the master. The slave can go free after the years have been served but the wife and children must remain behind. Not many men would abandon their family this way so he would decide to stay. The master can then take the man before the judges and pierce his ear with an awl, making him the masters property for the remainder of his life. By giving him a family he wouldn't wish to abandon, the master is in effect tricking him into a lifetime of servitude.

arashink in my opinion that's not a good counterargument, which is why I dislike when Matt makes that point. I don't think it's hypocritical to think slavery is morally permissible but not wanting to be enslaved. I'd argue that almost everyone would agree that thieves should serve time in prison for theft, but would also prefer not to be locked up after stealing something themselves.

I meet a lot of muslims, and quite frankly I agree, the christians are a lot worse than the everyday muslim.

Anyone that can't think of a reason to be good other than the reward of an impossible afterlife of bliss, or who can't understand why not to be a dick other than the threat of eternal torture, they're psychopaths and should be avoided.

I hope that your adventurous life will soon give you the opportunity to meet a Muslim immam or mullah or just a paterfamilias.

FreeWillDoesn'tExist How do you know anything about it, troll?

@@foddyfoddy Every religion is horrible, no matter what it is.. a bullshit lie started with an agenda and they all have an agenda.

Only when mouth is open .....................

Yiss.

Niemals nix ..................@@brucebaker810

“‘Ave yew eva stowlen anything?”

YEAHOO I`m only human ...............@@nearlnathanearlnearl

Matt is such a no bullshit guy, this makes him super fun to watch.

True, don't try and pigeon hole Dillahunty.

Burkeys randoms, Matt's hammer is warped. And the only thing it hits, are his balls.

And when he does that one flip attack, you have hide behind one of those pillars, or it will one-shot you.

Yep, it will result into tap dance and then define what slavery and then he will tell you that slavery concept now is different than before and dance around the subject and then finally corrupt his humanity by trying to fit into Bible that slavery is not immoral issue. I have religious people after lots of discussion finally say "God can kill anybody since God created everything" and then "Everything God said is morally correct". Willing to corrupt theirs humanity and morally just to fit what written in Bible.

good thing he did. I couldn't wait to hear more texts taken out of context from the bible

Old Trafford Hey do you currently worship a deity that literally killed every infant, toddler, and expecting mother by drowning them?

@@ft4903 Have you even read the Bible? Noah literally preached to the people for 120 years. Did you hear that? 120 years, 120 years, 120 years, 120 years, Do I have to repeat myself? Noah waited for 120 years for people to get into the boat. They had 120 years of chances to get into the boat, but they stubbornly refused to get into that boat. 120 years 120 years

Old Trafford So babies understood? Unborn babies understood? Women had rights and could disobey their rulers? What does 120 years have to do with it?

That why I will revisit these episodes many times for the past 10 years

Aaaand you fail, just as Matt failed to grasp the point the caller was trying to make, when Matt like a coward hung up on him. What Matt was calling a game was the caller trying to make a point. The fact is, Matt was talking about how the Bible is immoral on the issue of slavery, and posing this question to the caller. Since atheists cannot account for morality, they have to borrow from the Christian worldview. This is why the caller responded to Matt's question with these questions, "Do you?" and "On what grounds?" Since Matt's worldview as an atheist cannot account for morality, he has no such grounds to judge slavery or the caller. Hence, Matt lost the argument, got upset and called the caller a jackass, and hung up on him.

"Since atheists cannot account for morality, they have to borrow from the Christian worldview" Christian worldview includes stone people to death and slavery? Where do Christians get their morality when their holy book is full of atrocious actions and immoral people? And do you really mean that I, as atheist, am not able to be moral only because I don't believe in a supernatural monster? Don't you really know that there are a lot of other sources to learn and improve your ethics and grow into a better person? For me it's incredible to see that you (Christians) really think that you possess the only source of morality.

@El antiidolo: Oh boy, here comes the same nonsensical arguments atheists are known for. First of all, I don't do Bible studies with atheists who deny the authority and accuracy of God's Word. Now as for your questions, they reveal just how little you understand about the Bible. 1. Christian worldview includes stone people to death and slavery? Okay, why do you think that is? Why were people stoned to death? What's the issue with slavery in the Bible? 2. Where do Christians get their morality when their holy book is full of atrocious actions and immoral people? Your lack of understanding the Bible is quite revealing here. Anyway, what atrocious actions are you talking about? Also, who are the immoral people that you are referring to? You need to give me the context of what you are talking about so I can properly address it. But then again, since you are an atheist and cannot account for morality, you have no grounds for judging what is moral or immoral in the Bible, unless of course you concede to the fact you have to borrow from the Christian worldview, or another worldview that has a moral framework by which to judge things moral or immoral. 3. And do you really mean that I, as atheist, am not able to be moral only because I don't believe in a supernatural monster? No, that's not what I am saying. An atheist can be moral, just as a Christian who practices his/her faith is. What I am saying is that the atheist worldview on its own merit cannot account for morality. It has no moral framework by which it can draw its morality from, since its ideology of unbelief denies where morality originated from. God a "supernatural monster?" Come on, really? Now you are sounding a lot like Richard Dawkins who doesn't have a clue about the nature of God. 4. Don't you really know that there are a lot of other sources to learn and improve your ethics and grow into a better person? Sure there are some good and ethical sources out there to learn and grow from. I don't deny that. I just don't believe there is a supposed better, or more superior source to draw our morals and ethics from outside God or the Bible. You then concluded with this comment: "For me it's incredible to see that you (Christians) really think that you possess the only source of morality." Christians don't possess the only source of morality, as if Morality originated from Christians. Morality has been around way before Christianity came on the scene. There may be variations of morality from different world religions and worldviews, but they all have their origin from our Creator God.

"First of all, I don't do Bible studies with atheists who deny the authority and accuracy of God's Word" So, for example, MATT DILLAHUNTY could not have a discussion with you nor the rest of atheists who have been studying about religion and the Bible for years, these wouldn't be either good enough. Only christians are accepted. Great logic! Yes! Now I only accept atheist to talk about atheism!! 1 AND 2. "1. Okay, why do you think that is? Why were people stoned to death? What's the issue with slavery in the Bible? 2. Where do Christians get their morality when their holy book is full of atrocious actions and immoral people?" Have you ever read your Holy Book???. There are many verses which advocate for slavery, sexism, rape, or stoning people to death. Just Google it! Examples for slavery: (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) AND (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) There are many more!! Just read them 3. It has no moral framework by which it can draw its morality from, since its ideology of unbelief denies where morality originated from. Moral framework? Really? Where do your moral framework come from? From the Old Testament maybe? I'm sure not. And I said supermonster about your god because your GOD is even able to KILL THE HUMANKIND just because He felt so. Dawkins has nothing to do here. And you of course you know more about the "nature" of god than all the atheists out there. Only you can talk about this issue?? 3. "But then again, since you are an atheist and cannot account for morality, you have no grounds for judging what is moral or immoral in the Bible, unless of course you concede to the fact you have to borrow from the Christian worldview, or another worldview that has a moral framework by which to judge things moral or immoral." So do you mean, only non-atheists can account for morality??? So if you're an ignorant religious person you can account for it but you're a well educated atheist can't? THis is not serious! And nowadays we have plenty of sources where to learn moral and ethics from. I don't need your at all christian worldview. I need better and more modern sources. We know much better human nature than 2000 years ago. So your morals are really outdated. And yes, I have grounds and enough culture to talk about morality since I'm a well educated person. But I go much further, ethics and moral in modern societies are shit, and I could give you a hundred examples how to improve it (just look at our icons: beauty models, sports players, corrupt politicians... frivolity, ignorance, materialism, drugs, alcohol, selfishness, superstitions...) and this is happening in both religious and atheist countries. So yes, i myself ALONE could EASILY describe a better morality without help of any God! I repeat: ALONE and EASILY. 4. Answer: most christians said that we're immoral just because we lack of belief in any God. I have read/heard that many times. To say that shows an immense ignorance about what morality is. Many secular countries are well developed countries, however other religious belong to the 2nd and 3rd world. So reality in most cases shows absolute the opposite To cap it alll, If the BIble was the better source for morality, the Jesus followers would be (theoretically) the most moral people in the planet. You know that is not truel at all. It's just a fallacy. So it doesn't matter whether you are right or not because reality disproves it! Theory is one thing but reality and truth is what matters!

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock. However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated. If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

What do you mean it was " the straw that broke the camel's back for me"?

I would love to see a live show first hand!

Equivocation, Redefining language, & Special Pleading--the Trinity of a Christian's mental gymnastic

He knew his back was to the wall and either he would look bad, or his precious sky-daddy would look bad, depending on his answer, so he pulled the usual christian bullshit and questioned Matt's morality since he can think of no other way to come to an understanding of morals other than "Might makes right."

Communism, which, like slavery is also endorsed by his bible.

@@ConcealedCourier Aha yep, they don't like to be reminded of those too much

Communism is a religion, with the 'red' bible, the person on top you have to obey and fear, so Mao was/is their god. That is the problem with every oppressive cult. Dictatorship of any kind is wrong.

J.R. Arnolli You made the distinction between the idea of communism and those dictatorial regimes in your sentence so I'm assuming you get the misunderstanding, no one claiming himself to be communist nowadays would support any of the governerments that misused the ideas to establish a totalitarian regime. They're thinking about Marx's original ideas and anarcho-communism (which is a continuation of them) for the most part. In his view communism was only a transition phase and the state would wither away progressively. No need to say that's exactly the opposite of what his name was used for in those dictatorships. Historically there's a divide between authoritarian communism (USSR/Mao/DPRK...) and libertarian communists aka anarcho-communists (no need to precise they're not fond of authority and all that) that "lost the battle of ideas" in the early 20th century and never really had long lasting power anywhere.

@@magicmisteur As someone who was raised conservative Republican, it's remarkable how: 1) People on the right are told Communism is 'whatever we hate'. 2) We were completely adamant about not actually verifying it.

I was just going to post this !

Christianity is the story of a psychotic god committing suicide to correct his own mess. and then shifting the blame.

@@JamesRichardWiley James Richard Wiley, you are either part of the blame, or you are to blame.

@@sherrib4168 God sacrificed himself to himself to act as a loophole for rules that he created and is in control of. Meaning he was too stupid to come up with a better solution, and too weak to simply forgive us like any normal person could have done. In Christian mythology, God is the only one to blame for absolutely everything, since he's supposedly omniscient and all goes according to his plan.

@@nosfrattirek5690 you put way too much emphasis on people and the ways of people, and not enough emphasis on God and God's ways. God's ways always work, God's word prevails every time.

In ten years I had about a literal hand full of conversations that could be labeled decent. All the countless others were like this caller or outright insulting and dense enough to stop neutrinos.

Michelle Paradise, you said, in a comment, For once I'd like to see a decent debate w a Christian. Sadly that will never happen. That will never happen either because a Christian isn't going to argue/debate with these deadheads or the right type of Christian hasn't been on here to debate with these people. I have asked some of my friends who are Christians if they would be interested in these debates, they have told me they will not argue/debate with that kind of stupidity.

Any decent debate with a Christian would end with the Christian becoming an atheist.

@@Leafsdude I will wholeheartedly disagree with your comment. An atheist will not be able to convert me into one of them. I don't let them tell me how I should think.

@@sherrib4168 I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with...

They are PUPPETS ! ......................

@@johnnylovesjesus7809 Wrong

@@johnnylovesjesus7809 and homosexuals have a suicide rate because of bigots like you to bully them to die. Go fuck yourself.

@@AxelLaw wrong? In what? Please provide evidence to me being wrong.

@@johnnylovesjesus7809 the bible was used as the excuse to have slaves, your claim that people starting interpreting it correctly is not only an unsubstantiated assertion it's evidence that religious morals change, so you have no absolute stand of right or wrong, you just have your opinion of what you think your god would say is right or wrong. Not only does the history of your religion demonstrate your religion will change morals, you'd have to claim you are infallible to be able to assert that you know what your god thinks is right or wrong. Come to the table with legitimate arguments and evidence to support them before telling others they need to do so. Your position is entirely based on assertions.

No, god is all knowing, Omnipotence, Omnipresence. God has no beginning nor end

@@zilmore5712 So, doesn't exist? You are describing a concept, not a being. Omnipotence is a logical paradox, and if God is omnipresent, then you are pantheist.

Mike T of course it’s hard for us to understand. Humans don’t understand god we are like ants trying to the world

@@zilmore5712 No. I understand, and that thing you're describing does not exist. But, let me follow your logic. Humans don't understand God, you say. Are you saying you believe something you can;t even understand, and you're trying to tell me that's good? And you base your life on this thing you cannot understand? How smart is that?

@@MikeTMike I'm saying that we can't understand something as complex as infinity, but we do understand some aspects of God through his word the Bible

But but but that was the ol testament

@@sladey21 butt butt butt booty, yah can't have a new testament without an old one,

You want a Christian to tackle it but not ignore what the OT says here you go: Slavery is wrong it violates Christs law to love your neighbor as yourself. Yes the Bible absolutely says slavery is ok... and that wasnt God. Some ot ass hole wrote it then said God said it to justify it. Im fine saying that since i believe Jesus is God and any verse directly in contradiction of what he said was the highest law in morality i reject as mans word not God. If im wrong and if my belief is wrong and there is no God i can look at my life and say i tried to treat people decently.

Note im NOT claiming being Christian means im better then you. I think it means i should TRY to be as exemplary a moral person as i can the sort others look to as an example but thats a journey not a destination... unless you're Mr Rogers then um yeah nailed it.

@@ParanormalEncyclopedia So you chose to believe a book unless it conflicts with your beliefs and then you chose your beliefs.....Christ said that slaves should honour their masters, should a slave honour his master or do we put that down to some 'asshole' I think that is part of the problem for Christianity in the modern age we keep saying we believe in something higher than us and then suddenly realise all the unsavoury parts of it and say that is not what God wanted. Well 1776 your average Christian was OK with Slavery hell when the founding fathers were writing the constitution they did not even consider slaves men. The problem I have is that why do you need a book that you say is adulterated by falsehoods written by assholes to define how you live. Why are you not a muslim that cherrypicks the verses of the Koran that you like or Bhuddist or a Taoist. The point of the caller was that not being a Christian meant that one would have no morals. You have argued that being a Christian means that you are never sure and you end up interpreting what the bible says and rejecting stuff you don't agree with. it would suggest that for each |Christian there is a an infinite set of moral values and often no common ground and if gods word is not true why believe in him

Exactly my thoughts.

Its ray comfort who does a horrible impression of a intellectually honest human

Nah, I use it for toilet paper. Besides, next time I head to Jersey and NYC, I'll be AirBNBing it.

If anything it's the most moral thing you could do with it, next to burning. No one should be subjected or exposed to that hatred

They tend to have empty pages at the beginning, or at least some free space. That is meant for adding your own polite, short thoughts on the contents. Just don't forget the politeness requirement.

I burn those bibles.

Take it home and use it for kindling

I haven't told a lie.... I've told lots of lies. Muhahahahaha.

WRONG... a new born baby and child before learning to talk are both human and have not lied.

Amen! Argument.

@@fatmahhajarelias9394 They will someday

@@fatmahhajarelias9394 Children try to deceive their parents and others well before learning to talk. For example, by crying and peeking whether anybody pays attention. You do get the first few days or weeeks, though - they're just too busy trying to figure out this vision shit and extremities.

I've been an atheist all my live and I use them. Truth be told most people who use it probably don't consider the actual meaning. I sure didn't at first, it's just a thing people say. Having considered it, I as an atheist personally find the irony of using such statements to be somewhat amusing.

It's just a figure of speech. Not to be too crude, but if I tell someone 'Go fuck yourself', I'm not suggesting they attempt autosodomy. Although I'd secretly be impressed if they could pull it off :P

... so did I. Why did I do that .

Your picture is awesome.

True, very true.

I think he said "it's as immoral as communism".

@@freewilldoesntexist4075 or spell it

The applause in that studio was pretty loud. The applause was also pretty loud in this room I'm in, considering it came from just one person.

Let's not get carried away

No.

True so God did it 🤔

Ba A Which episode was that?

Ah, but if you take a handful, would that leave an odd number in the jar?

Didn't you know that Matt is a devil, because he uses logic, his free will, intelligence, reason, common-sense and empathy to prove the Bible and all of the abrahamic religions as nothing more than bulshit?