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The most frustrating one: "hOw dO U hAvE MorALiTy wItHoUt gOd" TAKE AN INTRO TO PHILOSOPHY CLASS Dozens and dozens of morality systems that don't use the bible!
I don't believe anyone is atheist. The fact they had to have believed in God at one time all they're doing is questioning. That would be agnostic. That's how perfect God's plan is you have to have believed in order to say you don't. So, where is an atheist possibly a satanist.
@@cathyrenick8562 You're the one asserting there's a god, we're just saying we don't agree with your assertion. Please take an intro to philosophy class to learn logic.
@@cathyrenick8562 Because obviously all atheists converted from monotheistic religions like Christianity. /s But if everything is according to God's plan, then why should you let it bother you that there are non-believers? If that is also part of the plan, then should you believe the God that made people non-believers just to be hated on by "true believers" is good?
Yep. It's hilarious because you KNOW that when they say "man's desires" they are only thinking of sex, because they have the understanding of a choirboy fresh out of Sunday School about the topic.
Well I belive Jesus said that one should resolve their problems on earth before asking god for forgivness, I belive it was in the Matheus evangelium. Although as this was inconvinient and a good idea it appears to not be too prominent in modern Christianity
5 Questions Atheists CANNOT answer: 1. If evolution is true, why does Pikachu require a thunder stone to evolve? 2. How me a dog learn to talk? 3. King Kong is a movie and you believe that, don't you? 4. A train leaves New York traveling at 500 miles per hour at 5 pm on Saturday, and uh... is it... does it get there in time? 5. What came first, the xenomorph or the black goo? Checkmate, Atheists!
1) Because the requirements change with every generation and because of PIkachu's popularity, the devs wanted to make it hard for people to lose that mascot. 2) Because all dogs are good boys! 3) Wait, are you saying it's NOT a documentary or something? 4) Depends if there's someone on the tracks 5) The goo of course. The Engineers were working on all sorts of stuff.
4: Considering the fastest train in the world goes a little over 300 mph, and 500 is over half the speed of sound, and a crash would have the equivalent energy of one thousand and seventy nine sticks of dynamite, unless that train's destination is a flaming ball after it rips through the tracks and causes a city block to be leveled, probably not
Wow. I bet your mommy is so proud of you. Does she still wash your face and wipe your arse? If not who does those things for you? I'll never believe that you've learned to do them yourself, nope. No way. There's absolutely no chance that you're intelligent to get your velcro shoes to stay on without help. Let's talk about how daddy "punishes" you when you mess up. That's not punishment. He's not trying to correct this behavior. 57.5% of pedophiles are white men 96% of those white men are Christians. Have you started growing your own victims yet or are you still reliant on the other church members to keep bringing in new victims?
The constant barrage of "Okay, atheists, what's your answer to THIS!" is exhausting and annoying. We're not the ones making a claim. The burden of proof is not on us.
It's a communal form of gish gallop, bombard people with enough claims, and if even one is missed, then QED God. It didn't even have to be actually missed, just missed by enough to lend false credence to the premise.
Aren’t we also making a claim by saying there is no God…? I guess it just depends how you look at it. Or which side are you on, as to who is making claim?
@@ericgraham8150 Nope, that's anti-theism. "There is no god." Atheism is simpler. "There is no evidence for god, and therefore we shouldn't believe in god." It's not the claim that there is definitely no god. It's the equivalent of the following exchange: Theist: "God exists. I know god. I know god's will!" Atheist: "Prove it." Theist: "Something exists, therefore god!" Atheist: "Nope, try again." Theist: "Your moral framework cannot be grounded without god." Atheist: "Nope, fuck off. Try again."
@@ericgraham8150 No, most atheists only reject the claim that there exists a god, since you can't prove a negative, and a claim without evidence can be rejected without evidence. (But then there is of course lots of evidence that makes the existence of a god unlikely, and also lots of evidence that makes the claim of a god not existing plausible.)
@@elih6087 problem is, this kind of christianity does see law as somehow bestowed by god, unless they can blame a catholic/atheist/activist_judge for 'corrupting' the law.
I hate those tiktoks so much. Those people look so incredibly cocky considering they are just copy/pasting someone else's idea without any context or input.
1 Timothy 4: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
@@uncleanunicorn4571 this is not true. I know someone who knows that God hates racism and goes to confession for it regularly and still finds themself being hateful despite knowing God doesn't desire that behavior.
@@le_ooer Without God, your morals are based on fear. Which proves that man has a sinful nature. If you have God, then your morals are based on God, and not fear. You are unwittingly proving the Christian stance. And that's without going down the rabbit hole of where morals come from in the first place.
cough the roman obulus was somewhat bound to religion, you was free to keep your gods but had to pay a higher obulus, it was already back then for a small but very selfish group inacceptable and they still think this was not right (2000 years later they cannot forgive, not even what was 5000 years ago, one day they will extinct caused by their own hate and complain about 'til the very end of time) to cut their rights in the empire, but well romans deal, special right here one right less there, it's a fair deal. if you exclude yourself from society as something special then pay a price for it. it prvents from sour blood in the community.
From DragonballZ Abridged: "Everyone goes on and on about the children. I tried leaving them alive, but all they do is grow up or devote their pathetic little lives to revenge. Frankly, I consider killing them a kindness. I could retract that kindness, but who would be the villain then?" "Y-you." "That was a rhetorical question." "And I gave you a rhetorical answer."
I don't believe in god, but I go to a christian school, and in one of our lessons on religion, a question popped up. The question was "Is it arrogant to believe that there is only one true religion?" Majority of the answers from my class was "no it isn't because Christianity is the only real one" Are they even hearing themselves?????
No. Christian strive to uphold to be close to God but there is a flaw. We strive in whatever ways but all come short on achieving it. That's why Jesus said there is only 1 way. Whether one is Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Orthodox, Baptist, and etc, all fail because we all have sins. The Jews fail so many times is a perfect example. Even the 12 Disciples and the Roman Catholic fail. "Do not commit murder." The 12 Disciples fail because there were in fighting between them. They even hunt down their fellow brothers to Eithopia. The Roman Catholic were not better as well. I remembered my Pastor said that, his denomination, can have flaws but again stated only 1 way to Heaven. So my answer to your question is NO because we are all sinners. No matter what Christianity denomination you are in, it still flawed.
@@124-u7m The answer is yes. There are the schools of thoughts where Results are everything. According to this, the fact that you were a good person makes you a good person. Same holds true for the slightly different school of thought where Actions is all that matters (differs in that the result matters less than the action taken itself). Even with the school of thought where Intent is all that matters, what was the _cause_ of said intent is irrelevant. And thus you end up classified as a good person. Stepping away from those ethical frameworks for a moment, we also have the schools of thoughts classifying humans as a mass of desires and selfishness and even maliciousness. A beast. And that what makes a human civilized - a good person - is the conscious choice to _not_ act on those impulses and desires. Again, the "why" does not really matter, but rather the fact that you made the conscious decision and had the self-control to follow through. Rather, in this philosophy, the more you wanted to do something the better of a person you are when you refrained (so arguably anyone that can be a good person without an imaginary threat of punishment to discipline themselves, is LESS of a good person). I can go on, but overall I think that I can list more schools of thoughts saying you are a good person, than ones that argue that you are not. The latter are pretty much only ones that considers personhood/humanity/goodness as more of an intrinsic part of someone's nature, rather than their decisions and actions - which admittedly includes pretty much all religions with gods who judge your soul on death. ps: as for personal opinion, I don't quite agree with any of the above schools of thoughts. I think people are an equation of nature and nurture, and that you don't even need to be human to be good. I think that we all are complex being where to decide whether we are good or not, we need to consider both desires, intent, actions, results, and scope/context. And everything in-between and beyond. Meaning: the answer is relative to your perspective and 2 separate people/groups can come to different answers. Like the quotes goes: "everyone is their own hero"; "the only difference between a hero and a villain, is who wrote the book". pps: I have no idea if the second one is an actual quote.
@@suzumi111 yes well neither does being a shit person while still claiming to be Christian. Or did you forget the part about loving your enemies, praying for them, going the extra mile, and how you literally cannot be forgiven, like at all, if you can't forgive others, and my personal favorite "he turned to those on his left, and he said he gone from me wretched sinners for I do not know thee. They said but Lord did I not spend my entire life life living for you. The Lord answered saying I was homeless and you did not house me, I was naked and you did not clothe me, I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was sick and you did not visit me, I was in prison and you did not minister to me. And they asked him Lord when did we see you homeless, and naked, and hungry, and sick, and in prison and did not minister to you? And he answered saying that which you did not do to even the least of my brother's you did not do to me. Merely claiming Christ isn't enough either. You gotta work at it. So again, COUNTER question. IF YOU NEED A FEAR OF ETERNAL DAMNATION IN HELL to be a good person, are you REALLY a good person?
@@jamielishbrook2384 i pray for everyone i love everyone you shouldn’t stereotype people i’m really sorry if you’ve been hurt by a christian before because it seems like your projecting but i’ll pray for you!
It's just a saying. Aphorisms don't win arguments. They make people who already think like you nod their heads and go "oh wow so true go off king" and they make people who already think unlike you to shake their heads and scoff at your pithy foolishness. It's useless rhetoric.
Where is a true Christian today? 1John3:23 sums up Christianity. Bigotry and idolatry killed Christianity. 2Thess2:11 is here. The church is fallen. Trump is lawless. They believe THE LIE! Jesus is coming soon for this born-again gay stoner Jew but all hateful bigots will be left behind to suffer the destruction we've caused our planet. Revelation 11:18 says God will destroy those who destroy the earth. It's all fulfilled.
Nah. One of the unique aspects of Christianity as a religion is their eagerness to spread their beliefs to others. Their messiah instructed them to do exactly that. A Christian can be humble and spread the word without contradicting. That is the way of the entire religion. It's probably the reason Christianity has been so incredibly prolific. Other religions primarily recruit via birth.
@@BoomerangVillage "Other religions recruit via birth." Oh the arrogance and sense of specialness of Christians never fails to amuse me. 90 percent of Christians are Christians cause they were indoctrinated by their parents. Christianity thrived through indoctrination not recruitment. That's why missionaries going door to door trying to recruit new Christians fail 99 percent of the time. You can't brainwash those that haven't been indoctrinated, only the mentally vulnerable ones. That's why Christians goes for the kids while their brains are still being programmed.
@@BoomerangVillage Nah. Look at their smug faces. They are narcissistic to the core. A Christian can be humble and spread the word without contradicting is the opposite of humble.
As an atheistic Buddhist (a philosophy explicitly stated to have been made [at least in my sect] by a man), I just have to point out it really doesn't take an all powerful supernatural entity to see that mindlessly scrolling through TikTok and eating McDonalds every day is a bad way to live
Psalm 14:1-3) 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
@@buukkreider544 What do you think you're doing when you spout verses at people? Changing their minds? No. You're not. You're making everyone except your buddies in your little club hate you. You're not going to convert anybody in the youtube comment section. Now shut up.
Have these people even HEARD of Buddhism? The whole point of it is about separating oneself from desire and attachment! Way, way, way more than Christianity does.
Yeah, isn't it's entire premise "wanting things is making you miserable so follow the path to get rid of attachment"???? Even believing in higher beings can be considered as attachment in Buddhism, hence why some schools of Buddhism are indifferent about the existance of higher beings, despite believing they exist, it isn't relevant for them.
I was about to post basically the same thing. I can't think of a single religion which doesn't to some extent "go against man's desires", and some of them even more than Christianity. And that is setting aside how in many ways the Abrahamic religions are set up to justify the desires of many men at the time (slavery, owning women, etc.). It's such a shallow and silly argument.
I had the displeasure of losing my grandma a few weeks ago. She was a Christian. We reassured her in her final moments with the idea that she was going to see her loved ones soon. I’m not Christian, but while reassuring her and grieving for her I noticed that I really want it to be true. The idea that she is with my grandpa and that she is no longer suffering is very comforting. Meaning Christianity definitely has its desirability.
Well, ain't that a hellish thought, where life and existence are entirely pointless and empty and that you would rather there be nothing than something at the end. It isn't cope to have faith in something outside the physical or even something after death, depending on the view of quantum mechanics you could take. So then, why are you here destroying a person's hope when there's no scientific evidence to disprove something after death? Why not have a little faith and hope in something science doesn't have an answer to? Or is it a way of copeing with there being something?
It is sad, that people dont see the special thing christianity has to offer. They just deny, dont seek the truth. They just argue whilst I found the truth. Btw, religion isn't always right, but god is definetly real, if all of you like it or not.
How imagine Christian “gotcha” questions gain popularity: Christian person: here’s a question no atheist can answer! Same person: *cannot answer the question themselves and assumes-without checking-that no one else can*
I was raised in a catholic household, and I can confidently say that it doesn't suck. The problem is the people who use their own religion to justify their wrongdoings.
@@audrete6071 So you say, that man only made cool things? Take for example the imperial units. They are man made and not very pracital. Why it is not more like the metric system? Man do made thinks that suck. And I'm pretty sure that the founders of Chistianity thought that they are right, even if some of the rules they declined are against man's desires.
My favorite type of argument: - Is false - Even if true, wouldn't argue their case - Doesn't matter cause the questioner didn't believe it in the first place And finally: - If I didn't have an answer to it, they wouldn't stop bringing it up. The holy grail of religious thought.
Even the guys who invented already expected this and made verses like "fool is the one who's doesn't believe in god" or something, like they were already anticipating being caught in their lie
@@IllustriousCrocoduck Yeah, that's what Matthew 7:6 is all about "casting pearls before swine." When the writers of the Bible realized there were people who knew they were full of sh*t, they wrote Matthew 7:6 as a way to make believers feel better about themselves by painting the smart skeptics as the dumb ones. Pretty clever, actually - they understood basic human psychology.
Thus appeasing the fear of death. Was also the first thing I thought when I heard the argument. This is probably one of the strongest appeal to any religion.
@@tschakatschada Atheists have slaughtered more than 110 million people in less than 100 years in the name of atheist religion, making it the most lethal religion in history with islame on a close second
Here is a question I have been asking on various religious groups for months now, without a single response of probably at least a dozen posts with this question: "If your god is all powerful and all knowing, yet allows innocent children to be beaten, abused, raped and killed on a daily basis, then your god is either not all powerful, or he doesn't care, which one is it?" I am still waiting for the answer.
@@mariusg8824the problem is that according to many christians he's also omnibenevolent, meaning he's all-good, wouldn't he want to stop bad things from happening? unless he's not omnibenevolent like some christians imply. how can a person have free will when god knows whats going to happen and is so good but he doesnt stop it? is he not omnibenevolent? what is the difference between sin and evil? is it possible that god could be evil but not sinful? im really sorry for the bunch of questions, im not trying to get a 'gotcha' moment, i just want to know how we have free will but we also dont have free will? sorry im getting confused
@@psych3verse As you rightfully write, Christians often talk about completely different gods. One is like a passive force, only visible through nature. Another is invisible unless he decides to talk to specific persons. And one is an acting entity with magic powers that is part of this world. These are not the same, cannot be the same.
When I first heard this argument, my immediate follow-up question was "...which men's desires?" The desires of the slavers, who's ownership of slaves is biblically sanctioned? The household patriarchs who lord over their women? The priesthood class who founded and continue to govern the church? I dunno, looks like those men are sitting pretty under the Christian system to me...
I think it refers to the whole 10 commandments. The ones about not un-aliving people, not taking stuff, not betraying your spouse. Because, obviously, only Christians would never do that. All those things are perfectly legal anywhere else in the world. Oh wait... And frankly, the Christian Apologist viewpoint of "if not for Christianity, we'd have no reason to not un-alive each other" is more telling of the Apologist's lack of empathy than anything else.
@@lyravain6304 lmao true almost every fucking culture hated unnecessary violence to the in group unless it was part of some ritual and even then that wasn’t common
you may be a little confused, are you talking about men meaning Males or man meaning the human race? because the human race is often referred to as man in the bible.
@@natedinoffria1609 The bible is also deeply misogynistic, so as far as the people who wrote it were concerned, "man" and men were one and the same thing. Women were less than in their eyes, not the same class of being. Many men and even women still unconsciously or even consciously hold this view today.
@natedinoffria1609 but the bible itself specifically often validates and legislates the desires of males. Especially when it comes to wealth, treatment of women, warfare, property ownership, wish for immortality etc.
If self help books are man made, then why are they going against mans desires? no lusting, no drinking... why do other religions like Islam Buddhism or Hinduism or philosophies like stoicism follow the same trend? This question fits the other online trend of "Tell me you ... without telling me..." trend. Tell me you are ignorant about other religions and philosophies without telling me that you are ignorant about them.
@@washada the word Yoga comes from the same root as "yoke," with the implication being that one could only achieve true freedom through extreme self-discipline.
I’m especially fascinated by how many literally know nothing about their own religions development the contents of their magical book and the origins of the grand wizard himself.
@@Jcs57I also wish Christians would be more curious about their religion's history, but there is a logical reason for why they aren't more curious. If they knew the history of Christianity, then they wouldn't believe what they do. Look at what happened to Bart Ehrman, for example. It's hard to believe that the Bible is the divinely inspired word of God while knowing that many of the New Testament books are altered, falsely attributed, or straight-up forgeries.
All religions evolved from homo sapiens' desire to understand and control the world around them. Hence, why there are rules to quash your desires. It gives them control and they don't have to understand others' differences. They can just label them as evil.
Back in the past when we didn't know why something happened we would blame it on a god. Like God got mad at my friend and made a lightning bolt hit his hut. But now we know why most things happen and it's not God taking revenge.
Glad you brought up Buddhism. When I heard “Christianity goes against man’s desires more than any other religion” my mind immediately jumped to Buddhism lol
I hate social media for exactly this reason: A person can pose a thoughtless question or statement to millions that obviously invites debate and demands correction, and the people having to respond to it to debunk, correct or counter the argument are then driving engagement and cause it to be promoted in the algorithm with comments and views - when a mindless concept should be just as mindlessly ignored.
Keep the dislike ratio up, regardless of comments, if the video has a lot of dislikes, then the algorithm will not show it to a lot of people, regardless of the comments. A german dashcam channel had testet it out, with telling his viewers to dislike a video at the start of the video. Was the video with the least amount of views by far of all of his videos and some people even asked, when the next came out, if he made a mistake in the video number, since they haven't seen the disliked one, cause it didn't show in the recommendations. So if people would start to dislike, stupid and bad stuff, it would die down from alone, even if you would comment on it or engage in the comment section. (If it weren't for the personal recommendations, that at some point would not show these videos to you anymore to dislike them... And people who are as stupid as the creator and therefore like it...)
Welcome to your White Knight: Reductionism and Mathematics to the rescue. A formal way of generating infinitely many stupid questions and a formal way of answering/addressing them all at once. If people are not made to feel guilty about breeding and murdering animals for meat, then they should not be made to feel guilty or ashamed about anything. Period.
I actually dont agree. While i recognize some of the downsides, i think the best way to deal with these types of things IS for people to interact with and correct it. While social media does tend to spread misinformation, it also does the opposite. For every mindless concept that is ignored is an equally mindful one that would benefit the whole. The solution to these problems should rarely ever be getting rid of the advancement that caused it. Because we keep doing that and we never go forward as a species. Instead, we should inform the masses on ways to scrutinize the information they see and encourage better critical thinking. We should think of putting things in place to catch and correct misinformation and maybe even combat it ourselves. Thats what i think is the best solution anyways.
It's especially funny because our ideas of good and evil are based on what we consider desirable. So this claim is equivalent to saying the true religion is the one with the most malevolent god.
Ex- Christian here. I genuinely think that most Christians value the constant of god and the church community in their life, and make arguments to defend why they do what they do.
1 Timothy 4: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
I'd argue religion actually satisfies two of the biggest human desires. It assuages the fear of death, and it gives a reason for suffering. Many go one step further, and promise divine retribution against unpunished evildoers. I'd also argue that there are cognitive/rational explanations for asceticism beyond costly signaling. Some restrictions might have been proto-health measures, some might have been ways to maintain power structures (limiting women's freedom, punishing the 'greed' of lower classes), and some might have been consciously adopting behaviors in opposition to an enemy's culture
With the action of "preying" it also gives you a feeling of power when you have none (thoughts and prayers) or makes it easier for you to not act in the real world.
It also fulfills peoples' desires to feel like their lives have a "higher purpose", a desire that is startlingly common place and it also fuels a superiority complex, something else that is all too common in people.
@@DundG its a very reasonable answer however it is harder to prove and paints Christianity in a much more negative light, which is probably why it was avoided in the video. While somewhat obvious(in the same way government/laws are control mechanisms) it can be a poor argument to make because it will appeal to people who already look down on Christianity but will make those who respect it feel attacked and defensive and less likely to listen to the rest of your arguments.
It doesn't go against them at all. People desire to transcend death, abrogate responsibility, clear their consciences without working to right wrongs they have done, presume superiority over others, externalize their faults, be loved and accepted, know that the people they think are wicked will suffer, shed their own pain and suffering, and a laundry list of other things, all of which religion promises/allows.
New viewer here. I'd like to say two things. 1) Great logic, GMSkeptic. Watching this video made me a little less worried about the future of humankind. 2) My take on religion: Christianity, like all religions, is a fairy tale that was invented to explain why everything exists before we started to develop scientific knowledge. And to make us feel less afraid about our loved ones and ourselves dying. Thinking about the self ending forever brings out a type of fear that most folks can’t deal with at all. So reality must be defeated!
@@RoderickEtheria okay? You can't say you haven't done something bad ONCE in your life, everyone has, everyone will, and, aroace people can be lustful as well, IDK where you got that from
@hosemad69 But the argument that it goes against natural desires, when many of the things it preaches are actually supporting the natural desires of at least certain portions of society doesn't support its argument.
I've seen this a lot with people who are in Evangelical orbits. "Desires" are just all the things that they take to be bad. I remember talking to my sister in law and she claimed that without her faith she would probably be neglectful of her daughter because what she desired was to be independent in certain ways. I literally had to point out that the very fact that she was worried and knew that she would feel guilty if she neglected her child meant that she also desired to be a good mother to her daughter. It's that brainwashing: "Everything I want is evil cuz I'm a sinful, depraved creature." People are literally taught to discount their most noble impulses and attribute them to God.
The groundworks are simple: Everything good gets accredited to god, everything bad is one's own fault. Making people believe that they're evil and depraved from the get-go (but the god who created them to be that way is obviously perfect and would never make a mistake, huh?). It's horrendously toxic.
@@DundG Ever since she had her daughter she's been thinking more critically about all the Orthodox Presbyterian stuff she was raised with. She received the comment well. She's still going to church and all that but has since said some things about doctrines that she will not be teaching to her daughter.
I agree. You're playing with a game of first and second order beliefs. The first order belief is "I want to be neglectful of my daughter to have more free time", and the second order belief disapproves of the first order belief, saying "But I won't do that because I want to be a good mom to my daughter first and foremost."
Man what's worst.. is that religious people basically admit they are all Psycho that don't go around killing others just because they have faith.. How scary is that? XD what about self restraint and fukking respect for others without the fear of being sent to hell? Just like.. being a decent human being without gaining something or without a reason? I don't get how these people are so stupid i swear. In their mind, im not religious, so if i help somebody what happened? how do they explain that? do their brain just crash?
From a secular academic researchng Christianity: *Salvation is also a desire. *Jesus was a reformer; reformers tend to go against a status quo. *I like your explanation regarding the Jews post the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, but it is also not a complete narrative of the spread of Christianity. If you find this interesting, I recommend Stark's research on the spread of Christianity. *Buddhism also has restrictions on daily life. Bonus: created by men according to themselves (same for Jainism). *Pre-Christian religions also restrict behavior. Nevermind Judaism - how about Zoroastrianism, which still exists today? I find it hard to think about even one religion that *doesn't* impose *some sort* of a restriction in its believers. Loved you on GAM! (that's how I got here ^^)
1 Timothy 4: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
I'd say those wannabe influencers aren't even making an argument. They're pandering to people who already believe, hoping for engagement, wishing Tik Tok will make them viral and they can get paid.
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full." Matthew 6:5 I'll see myself out.
of course they are, they're doing it to gain views and followers, they're doing it to attack their enemies and to make their followers feel good about themselves they're not trying to "save souls"
Honestly, if anybody wants a short and pithy response to this supposedly-difficult question, it's actually pretty easy. Why would a man-made religion be against man's desires? The simple answer is the old "opiate of the masses" explanation. Rich and powerful men will push religion on the populations they control in order to preserve the power structures that keep them at the top. They tell you that you must be pious and humble and virtuous, while they themselves will be none of those things. There you go, question defeated.
As a self proclaimed agnostic this confuses me. I am not aware of having created ANY God. I simply proclaimed that I do not know. I don't even seek to best anyone in debate. If someone says they know, that declaration doesn't concern me. I know I don't know. What transpires in their mind I am not privy to.
Isaiah 53) 1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
1 Timothy 4: 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
@@Person-24X 1Timothy 4:1-4 The Latter Times Men Depart From Faith 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 2Timothy 3: The Last Days Signs 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2Timothy 4:2-4 They Will Turn Their Ears from The Truth 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. Acts 13:38,39 The Apostle Paul shows way of SALVATION 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Imagine claiming Bertrand Russell has less will to live because of his atheism and then showing his lifetime of 97 years 💀. Apologist did not prove his point
if anything atheists would have more reason to live longer lives, because you know, the endless nothingness after death? they seriously have no logic lmao
@@qstionblomens6138, sacrifice was convenient way to get rid of children, war captives or means for population control or wealth extortion (if all sacrifice victim possessions were stolen/taken by temple) and also intimidation tactic
I'm not an atheist, I am a shintoist, but I was laughing hard when you showed christians saying thier religion goes against desires more than any other. It does not go against them, it punishes them, but only in the afterlife. If that's so, why is that the vatican "forgives" priests that were ab*sing children out of lust which is supposed to be a "deadly sin"? Even though my religion does not go against desires (though it still states that "the comminuty" and it's well being is more important than any individuals' wishes and desires), I belive that avoiding CERTAIN desires (so not all of them) can lead to becoming a better person. Even though I think that, I don't think desires are bad. They are tools to show us guidence to achive what we want and motivates us to keep seeking. I myself am seeking a higher humanity, becoming a better person bit-by-bit out of my unceasing yearning for the love and acceptance of the people I ultimately live for. I rejected christianity when it was offered to me, because it states that everyone, living and dead, are sinners alike. Filthy people who have no such option of purifying themselves from thier sins. I respect christians, but they sure have a pathetic view of humanity. I do belive in the kindness and purity of people EVEN WITHOUT assuming or anticipating it. I belive that all of us can become better versions of ourselves. Eacsh and every human being can achive the highr humanity I am seeking, regardless of what they think or what they belive in as long as they are contributing for the greater good, which often comes with leaving our desires unsetisfied. This is why I think desires are good for us and shall not be denied, but shall be abandoned if necessary. Why are you so sure that robbing people of thier rightful desires is a "divine" act? This is a genuine and respectful question to christians who are willing to speak to me, even though I am thier so called heretic.
The core of Christianity is "Be a christian or burn in eternal hellfire, but if you DO become christian you'll be in heaven forever". This is the most blatant, most extreme possible example you could even CONCEIVE of for a religion to appeal to mans desires. "You dont want to burn in hell for ever? You desire eternal life in Heaven filled with bliss dont you?" That is the very core of the religion, and it appeals for humans desire to avoid pain and also the desire to be in bliss and never die, and its stated in the most extreme way you could imagine. everything else is the things you are forced to do in order to get your desired outcome that it has laid out for you.
Heck, even the version that actually takes into account how people who are into Christianity want it to be read is more like “God is an infinite grounding, so if you have sinned you can repent, not do it again, and still be a good person”. This is still an appeal for the desire to “be a good person”, so it is still very much aligned with man’s desires.
this is a vast misunderstanding, which in and of itself is understandable and many christians do not understand it either. we are not called by the bible or God to ask for forgiveness… we are called to repent and be better because of forgiveness. and it is stated in scripture that those that do not repent are not forgiven because God would know our heart. so no one can trick him and be like “ah ha! gotcha! i asked for forgiveness so i’m good!” so… youve done exactly what this video is about: make a wildly misinformed remark that is supposed to be a gotcha moment, but any christian that has studied scripture at all would know how to refute that… and we refute that by agreeing with you… ‘christians’ that behave that way are not what christians are supposed to do
@@superduperdonkey911 Which you know because you are the only person alive that knows the one true way to read the bible. Because you're such a special little boy that God personally put on Earth to speak truth, while all those other Christians are just pretenders. Gotcha. It's time to put down the ancient book and wake up in reality dude. Universes cannot be spoken into existence, and people don't walk on water. These are bullshit tales you've been told to believe in, and that harms millions of people every day.
"Christianity gives a reward, a purpose for being a better man. The religion was built around man's desire to be better despite flaws, therefore it is not against man's desire, but for it." -An Atheist
The "questions" are rhetorical, in the sense that they aren't actually putting them out there in the hopes an atheist will respond. These types of posts are to spread around to other like-minded believers, to reassure themselves in their faith and that unbelievers are stupid and confused.
The answer is very simple: Because it's easier to control people when you make them feel guilty and in need of redemption by your religion. If you tell them "you can freely do whatever you want, you can do no wrong" then they don't need you for anything.
Christianity isn't about control. When the gospels were first written about 2000 years ago, there was no need to control people, because they already had Judaism which controlled the people a lot more than what Christianity does. Christianity is basically Judaism but without so many rules and restrictions (just one: Love), and why would anyone who wants to control cut back on the rules? Christianity only turned into a control thing when catholics took matters into their own hands and starting monetising religion (which the bible clearly speaks against many times)
Christianity isn't about control. When the gospels were first written about 2000 years ago, there was no need to control people, because they already had Judaism which controlled the people a lot more than what Christianity does. Christianity is basically Judaism but without so many rules and restrictions (just one: Love), and why would anyone who wants to control cut back on the rules? Christianity only turned into a control thing when catholics took matters into their own hands and starting monetising religion (which the bible clearly speaks against many times)
I was about to type this up, you are spot on! It’s as simple as that, I’m surprised how this argument out of all the arguments against religion seemed to be unanswerable one. 😂
Also knowing their secrets gives you power over them being afraid how will it affect them, in actual cults snitching and knowing things about common members is one of the tools of control. Jesuits promoted snitching and physical punishment in their schools
I would argue that people don't want to live forever. They are just scared of death because of the uncertainty of what it will be like. Christianity and many other religions offer an answer to this, and that makes them appealing.
I’ve been asked by theist questions they think I might not be able to answer and prove that their creator is real. And when I can answer them all. Their response is ‘Your heart is closed’ that’s why I’m a disbeliever. Irony is, they can’t fathom that the brain controls everything even the heart.
@@jennifersmith4864 Such a simple question with a simpler answer. The answer is unknown. Scientific evidences have yet to discover any if they ever will. For those who are fast & willing to say yes, they can’t give a rational answer because they just use god as an excuse as answers for questions they cannot explain aka god of the gaps. Those saying no have a more rational explanation, does god exist? Prove it base on facts, not from personal experience and unverifiable testimonies from people from the past.
@@CreationistrDelusional Nope. Anyone answering no * then asking me to prove the opposite is totally irrational & illogical --- if you claim god does not exiist, it is up to YOU to prove it, not the person that asked the question......which is why I specified that only rational answers are acceptable. Further, yer telling me what people might answer. So, obviously, YOU can't answer the question, just as I predicted. But don't feel bad, no atheist can answer it, rationally.
@@jennifersmith4864 You make a claim, you prove it. You’re asking people to prove a claim that they don’t believe and you think that’s rational? “I went to Venus last night on a unicorn with the leprechaun for a picnic.”. Now you prove to me that my claim is erroneous. You’ve predicted NOTHING. Sure, keep LYING TO YOURSELF to feel better, IRRATIONAL people do that. I do feel bad for those wasting their lives with fictional friends.
@@CreationistrDelusional OK, so now yer all triggered cuz you can't answer a simple question rationally. I made no claim so I have nothing to prove. All I did was ask the question no atheist can answer rationally -- and you prove it. Now pleez don't bother me with your BS, tying to cover up your failure.
An additional point that could be raised is that, in practice, believers tend to apply the restrictions to other people more than to themselves. In that sense, such restrictions are a claim to power over those around you. The restrictions they apply to themselves are the restrictions they are comfortable with. And let's not overlook the fact that if a believer _breaks_ any of those restrictions, a simple prayer of contrition is sufficient to restore themselves to a state of forgiveness--while still insisting that these restrictions are binding on others. Such a self-serving religious system is very much consistent with a human origin.
Nope. Theists fear that they will be judged to be not good enough and then end up in hell. That is their deepest fear so they go overboard with their faith so that they will be "good enough". I know, I was one of them.
@@feonor26 We are talking about two different levels of motivation here: on the one hand, fear of going to Hell, but on the other, fear of oblivion, of nothingness. One is a conscious, known motivator and is what the bible tells people will happen if they are "bad" ; the other is the deeper primeval collective subconscious motivation for creating religion in the first place, and would rarely be admited to by believers because it essentially questions the foundation of their beliefs. i.e. Why do you go to church? A. to get spiritual and moral guidance so I can navigate my immortal soul down the path of righteious and gain a seat in paradise (fear of hell) B. because deep down I fear that there really IS nothing in the afterlife, so I comfort myself in the hope that this thing called "religion" is true and I will hopefully be immortal. (fear of oblivion, or, fear that all this religion stuff is fake). Which answer do you think the devoted will give?
True, although I see it more often from atheists trying to "gotcha" at Christians with silliness like mixed fabrics, shellfish, and claiming that the Bible promotes rape and slavery. It's a problem both sides have when they're more interest in scoring points for "likes" and publicity rather than engaging in substantive debate.
@@stanley9868That would have the opposite effect on me. "But what if you're wrong and god does exist?" "Well, considering the state of the world and people in general, I think it's safe to conclude that if god does exist then they're an asshole. So I wouldn't pray to them anyways."
4:00 That was hilarious! 🤣😂 Whether this is a standup or a parody (can't believe someone would say such BS for serious) - can't stop laughing. The idea is so great that I keep making versions of it. Ant laughing again and again! Like just for that one!
Q: "If Christianity is man-made, then why does Christianity go against common sense, intelligence, reality, science, humanity, humulity, compassion, fairness, kindness, and mercy?" A: "Because Christianity is man-made."
Yes! Or the Christian deity is just evil. But thankfully there is no evidence for its existence, yet a lot of evidence for the whole thing to be made up by humans. Phew.
I think christianity goes with intelligence, reality, science, humanity, etc. Btw: You need moral standards for society and therefore you need christianity
Can you tell me what Christianity's moral standards exactly is? For example, does it forbid a person to attempt to murder their innocent child? And what if God wants them to do it?
@@fritztom9918you're telling me that a book which says: -Insects have 4 legs -Whales are fish -Humans can be made directly from soil -Snakes can talk -The universe was made in a week -You need to invite your attackers to beat you up more -Women who defend their husbands need their arm cut off Goes with logic? Especially when the data collected from observation, reflection and experimentation goes against all that? Yeah, no. Also: Christianity isn't the only moral framework in existence. Aside from those of every other religion, most atheists follow humanism, which prioritises humans above any supernatural matters. The morality stems from evolution of social traits and states that we should act with reason and empathy, consider the consequences of out actions and the likely impact on other people and animals.
My immediate thought when I heard this premise was, “alright. Give me a list of what you think are desires of man.” -The desire to be a part of a group or tribe (the desire for numbers). -The desire for protection. -The desire to lead the pack, to be an authority (civil, moral, or other) -The desire to be lead (by an authority or otherwise) Yeah, I’d say the premise that man’s desires are inherently antithetical to Christianity is a false one.
Thank you, i was about to write some of these as i felt them missing in the video. Especially the aspect of perceived safety that comes from restrictions is an important part of any group dynamic as safety is often inherently understood as an antithesis of freedom.
It also kind of reminds me of how animals are organized socially, especially our closest relatives, and it feels a lot like their society, just focused on spirituality and with some sort of morality that's actually not been there for a veryyy long time.
Religion also serves the prevention of chaos. Especially back during the very uncivilized days with no real surveylance or dna testing to pfove crimes as essily. The fear of hell can stop crimes. Can make people act in ways helping the community in hopes to reach heaven. Empowers the church/cult in charge. And enriches its members. So it absolutely makes sense a manmade religion can be against all of mankinds basic instincts. Thats how laws work. And religion served as law as well. And thosr in charge get rich and very much endulge in desire.
I think that the desire of a handful of sociopaths to dominate people played an important part in the emergence of organized religion. Just look at present day power hungry mega pastors.
While the real question is : why atheists do altruistic things, like donating blood for free for strangers, when they don't believe in God, hell, heaven, judgment, etc.?" (I am in France, atheist, blood donor since I was 18, and blood donation is necessarily free) (It is illegal to be paid for donating blood. this must necessarily be voluntary, to avoid situations like in Korea, where the rich buy organs, like a kidney for example, from poor people, who cannot afford to live. it would be too unfair and immoral to us in France)
"You aren't supposed to do good things because it'll get you noticed, you are supposed to do them because it's the right thing to do" - the soldier guy from fairly odd parents
When someone said to me while smirking; how do I know right from wrong if I don't believe. I could have given an answer that was sensible, truthful and logical, but then I also realized how insulting that question was; not just to me but to everyone who doesn't believe in that nonsense. I said if that is the only thing that keeps you from doing "wrong" (whatever that may mean) then you need a new belief system including a new god and now I know to watch my back and to keep an eye on you when you're around.
"If you don't get your morals from God, then what's to stop you from raping and killing anyone you want?" "Religion goes against man's desires." I think we just found out something disturbing about their desires...
The smugness is the worst part about the whole situation here. It's so sad and irritating to see that these people truly think they found an argument which has no answer and is impossible to debunk. As an atheist arguing against these views it's often extremely hard to keep my irritation out of the conversation, but it is nesseary if we're striving to achieve any progress. Awesome video Drew!
Being sober is a christian thing? As a Belgian this feels weird, since our greatest Beers are made by monks in monasteries and are even seen as cultural heritage.
It feels like they’re trying to defend a toxic relationship. ‘The worse conditions I have to live in the more likely he is real and loves me right?’ Why does everyone assume god would be good?
The idea of an evil god, if a god even exists, is much more likely IMO. All you have to do is read the bible, assume that the god depicted within is all-knowing as Christians are required to believe, and make the conclusion that the god of the Christian bible is quite evil.
It's written he is good. That's it... And also there's no reason to love an evil god, or else you do it out of fear which is actually what happens to some people.
According to the bible, god is the undisputed champion of killing humans. He beats satan's body count by millions of people. Actions speak way louder than text, god is obviously the opposite of good.
@@planetary-rendez-vous Is it written? The OT paints a picture of a genocidal maniac and the NT of a maniac who has his own son killed; there’s nothing loving about those things. It’s all “love me or else”.
@@kellydalstok8900 Actually I don't know. I assume. In the Bible there's all this talk of love in the NT and sacrifice. You would assume god is all good from there I guess.
I swear these people remind of when I was a kid, a little too old to believe in Santa, trying to sooth my belief with any lame excuse I could come up with. Always so sad to me when adults do this.
They flood their thoughts with these reflections because they don't want to deal with their reality, the reality of their own suffering and that of people around them. It distracts them from confronting evil and defending themselves from those who really harm or harmed them. It gives them something other than their pain to think about.
@@massimilianoreali4398 It's one of many _possible_ reasons people believe in God. One is ABSOLUTELY a desire to _not_ face reality. You'd have to be plain stupid to fail to see that.
@@ashkebora7262 generalization is howewer a bad thing overly in discussions of topic where generalization is heavily used for showing the superiority of one of the two sides P.S:i do not refere to this comment section
I’m a Christian and I think I agreed with everything you said in this video. It does make me sad that people attempting to spread Christianity (I’m aware some of these TikTokers were probably more interested in likes than spreading the gospel) can end up having the opposite effect by making statements which a). go against what the bible actually says b). Are illogical One question I would love to see an atheist like yourself tackle is: How do you explain the Dead Sea scrolls? For the who are unaware, the Dead Sea scrolls are Texts which prophesied Jesus and his resurrection matching word for word sections of the book of Isaiah. They were discovered by archaeologists in the 1900s and have been dated back long before Jesus ever lived. I’m yet to find a compelling atheist explanation
Simple answer, "Why do you follow your religion?" if the answer is: "It gives me hope/meaning/belonging" then boom, desire fulfilled, answered their own question. "It doesn't go against all mans desires".
That bit was particularly potent with the actual audio cut out. Not that the copyrighted music would actually distract from how dumb it is to just stand behind a caption and make a series of comically fake expressions like a clown practicing their faces.
Wow! That was such a well constructed analysis that I immediately subscribed. I'm going to share this video with both Christian and atheist friends. Bravo! Also I'll look at your other videos, but it's almost 3AM. :-]
There is a very simple answer to this question. "It went against the COMMON MAN's desires". Religion has been used as a tool of control for the lower classes for a very long time. Those with power and knowledge can safely ignore the teachings of a religion. Those of the lower classes cannot......Additionally it benefits those in power to have the masses forgo their desires baser desires and work for a "common good". And while this can start out good, it does not take long for it to be shifted into control and dominance.
Tecnically religion its a thing that would have involved every single man and woman without looking at the status its not fault of the religion itself if humanity is trash
@@massimilianoreali4398 That's a pretty fragile position, because it doesn't directly rely on anything else that's been established in this context. But it does hint at some of the other motivations for "religion". That's a broad and deep field which kind of gets swept over in discussions like the one from this video. There's a post below about Bentham's opinion on asceticism, which I think underlines the desire to kind of dismiss the whole value system that creates ascetic practices amongst some here. Humanity's fundamental problem is its tension between animalistic survival and its potential to something more complex and sophisticated than it sees in other species.
@@weatheranddarkness to what position are you referring the fact that religion was meant for every single person without counting status or the fact that some religious principles are good?
Just want to drop a comment thanking you for the content you make. As a child of the “Le Reddit Atheist” era I am deeply aware of the monstrous toxicity and bigotry that can and does exist around this subject (and I regretfully participated in it fully during the “new atheism” movement). Your content is so consistently kind and empathetic while holding a rational light to irrational beliefs, and that is exactly what the world needs. Thank you, not just for making good content, but for being a reliably decent and kind human being.
In fairness to you, "Le Reddit Atheists," and New Atheism, that's just kind of what happens when popular discourse suddenly focuses on a charged topic? Generations of generally uninformed theists had been proselytizing with C-tier reasoning when suddenly it became profitable for a handful of public intellectuals to marshal generally uninformed (and often bitter) nonbelievers into the fight using, _perhaps,_ B-tier reasoning. The predictable result was a bunch of people flinging poo at each other over unfalsifiable claims. Anyway, agreed that Drew is refreshing and offers far better takes on the issue.
Don't feel bad for New Atheism; the culture war that replaced it is a lot worse in terms of toxicity. I'd rather have the toxicity of 2008 thunderf00t dunking on creationists rather than the insane left-right political discourse that took over the internet now.
Alot of people have a natural desire to control others. These are the people that went out of their way to creat a religion that fulfils their desires while opressing others
Let's save a step and admit they don't even want to hear our response. They think they made a "gotchya!" moment, and are content with it ending there, in their false sense of satisfaction. They don't really care what we have to say in rebuttal.
@@Chocomunchie this is why I like to give them a choice before I respond. "Good question. Now do you actually want to hear the answer? Or do you just want to assume it can't be answered so you can make a rhetorical point?" I like the idea of giving them that space, where they either have to admit that they aren't actually having a conversation, or else they have to invite the answer. Getting them to actually invite an answer is a good step towards getting them to actually think (at least a little bit) about what you say
The fact that there are people who will argue in bad faith is not a good reason to never argue, nor to automatically assume that your debate partner is incapable of arguing in good faith.
They think they have such a "gotcha" question but they mostly argue against average people who happen to be atheist instead of people who have deducated themselves to theological discussions.
man.. i tell you, even idiots can answer that question, you don't need to be a theologist.. It goes against men desire exactly for the purpose to look convincing. Religions are a weapon of mass mind control.. they have to be convincing otherwise nobody would follow it.. Also its a stupid question in itself as the guy in the video show, because there are many things that go against man desire, and they are not all magically divine because of it..
There is no point telling someone to do something if they were going to do it anyway. The whole point of a rule, whether legal or religious, is to forbid something that at least some people might want to do.
I feel like the posts aren't made looking for an answer, but to feel the satisfaction of giving a smug smile at the camera with no one yet refuting you. A sort of shadow boxing with an ego trip built into it because you're smirking, unchallenged at the moment, and can count on thousands of people who will see your confident smirk, feel it reinforces *their* confident smirk, giving you a thumbs up. Good smirkings all around.
They make them for other believers, in a self-reinforcing pattern. This is necessary, because without constant reinforcement, a lot of religious beliefs begin to collapse over time.
I am impressed by the arguments in the video because he didn't even have to touch on the first answer that came to my mind within seconds of first hearing the question: any system used to control other people's behaviors is, by definition, opposed to the desires of the humans it is intended to control. "Do not murder" restricts the desires of the murderous. "Do not exceed 65mph" restricts the desires of NASCAR fans. And, since ancient civilizations were utterly defined by centralized authority (kings, elder councils, and the like), it certainly helped to be able to tell people that _a great power you can't even see or hope to oppose will take vengeance upon you for disobeying me!_
@@angrygoat85thats just false. The bible doesent Hold any truth. Atheist who actively go against christianity did read the bible. Because thats the only way to know how bad it is
Greed, violence, etc are most certainly _some_ of man's desires. But that's the point: being _some_ of man's desires means that man has _other_ desires (like sacrificing today for a better tomorrow).
This content isn't directed at us. It's directed at themselves. They ask themselves the question, find they have no answer, and assume that's proof of their position. Then the first time one of them foolishly asks one of us and we immediately answer they find themselves confused.
They're asking these questions precisely because they don't want answers. As soon as an answer is provided, they're frustrated and annoyed that we didn't play along with their not answering game.
Hearing these people propose their "gotcha!" questions with more confidence than I've ever had in anything, a confidence that would immediately shatter if they thought about their own question for more than 3 seconds, really shows why progress ends up being so slow going. We could be giving women complete bodily autonomy, giving queer people the rights and respect they deserve, hell we could even completely transition to green energy, but we're stuck having to explain to smoothbrains that being told they're wrong is not oppression. And just like that I have a headache again. Here I clicked on the video hoping I was going to here a thought-provoking question, instead I can feel my brain cells unaliving themselves.
they say christianity goes against man's desires, but fail to see the fact that religion was created due to man's desire to answer existentiall questions. and when they imply that restrictions religion places go against man's desires, those are LITERALLY rules on how to be a good person, so if you have a desire to break those rules... seek help?
What is also ignored is the fact that the xtian churches have continued to fragment into sects that allow more and more of what people want like sexual preference, for example.
@@Nerobyrne Not to mentioned that stoning women to death, beating a child for their mistakes and openly accepting slavery is not a particularly great rulebook to becoming a good person, at least in my atheist view
The fact that they reduce "man's desires" to only drunkenness and sex, while also claiming humans are inherently spiritual, crave divinity, meaning, family and love... Which at the same time they proudly accept their religion directly caters to all those inherent desires LOL Saying "Christianity is the most restrictive of religions" is also extremely ignorant. Meanwhile, Buddhists, Hindus and even ancient Greeks very often starved themselves to the bone for enlightenment.
The most frustrating one: "hOw dO U hAvE MorALiTy wItHoUt gOd" TAKE AN INTRO TO PHILOSOPHY CLASS Dozens and dozens of morality systems that don't use the bible!
Recently I met a nice variation on this theme. Apologist: "If not from God, where does logic come from?" Me: "Logic is manmade - you don't even know to ask the right questions " *) Apolologist: "If logic is manmade I can make my own logic that rejects what you assert." Me: "That's exactly what apologists like you have been doing on internet last quarter of a century." The right question is "How do you ground logic (and morals) without God?" Atheists can answer that one too, but at least they can't use the answers to refute theism.
I have one more frustrating that is a follow-up to "you need god to be moral". The response I've gotten when I say I don't need a higher power to tell me not to kill or steal or do harm to others: I am being inspired by God to have those morals, even if I don't think I am. I may as well tell them that I'm a Last-Thursdayist (the universe and everything in it, including our memories, was snapped into existence last Thursday) and there's nothing anyone can say to refute that.
