"Athena, The Tireless One" (P12 Theme) with Lyrics | Final Fantasy XIV 

"13 more Afterlives? Poggers! 13 more places to conduct my experiments on if the first one doesn't go over!"

no she didn't give a shit or a fuck

Ngl, I think she had potentially more disregard for humanity than either of those two. Imagine if she'd attained this level of power back then and not risen to it in a time when we were alive.

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Emet-Selch after dying and remembering the whole Kairos situation: Fuck, maybe I can forget

yaaaas Athena, slayyy

Being a girlboss means being abusive to both your husband and son?

i support women's wrongs

Ah yes, Prospera.

Hahaha very true

3? That's optimistic

On SoundCloud right now baby

@@PunnyFuzzYes lets go !!

Meanwhile, covers, covers, and more covers.

@@rayjinflo Full Paladin group?

SO SAME. Gives me hype and chills every single time

@@nochill3379 I know what a Leitmotif is friend, I'm just saying I particularly like that part!

that was a good observation friend.

It actually resemble Ultima the Nice Body with wings on her head and by giving 6 wings they emphasized The High Seraph title

Her form honestly reminded's me of the ff11 Aern enemy

Some Meteion thrown in there as well.

thats exactly what she thinks of herself, also this reminds me of bayonetta for some reason haha

Oh im not the only one to think of Bayonetta here ! Love to see it

Right when I got out of the cutscene I put “ok bayonetta” oh party chat. Hahaha.

Is there any examples? I try to hear it ,but i am deaf to it. I feel zero Bayonetta vibes in this song. xD"

@@platinherz3884 Try Baal Zebul theme Bayonetta 3. Then you can kinda hear some vibes of bayonetta in this

@@Zerael252 Your so right! Now side by side comparison i can hear it to. Bayo vibe reach me ,muahaha. :D

Also it gives the feel every fight we've fought until there and every action we've taken in Pamdaemonium was part of her bigger plan. Really love this raid

​@Duranwal yeah, I was a little disappointed when they announced the new raid tier before 6.0 but now I am really happy they took a chance and didn't use a collaborative effort this time

@@Sir_Duranwal yea the last time something like that happened was Ivalice, and it was all one elaborate trap to kill the WoL so Ultima could free themselves. We literally walked right into that trap. How ironic that both the raids also have auracite at the core of their questlines too....hmmm....

​@@sansfangirl4life439and neither took WoL fighting back into account... 😅

@@crowdemon_archives or more like their strength xD

i kind of like that to be honest. this game could do with some villains that are just "screw you, i want power and ill kill you to get it", just straight up evil. not even the garleans were really like that. its weirdly refreshing.

​@@AF-ue4ny even the garleans who were that way were outliers compared to most of them

Agree. As much as I love the deeper villains, for a raid Tier, it was refreshing to have someone being evil kind of just for the fun of it.

let pretty girls be unhinged and do unspeakable crimes this raid tier was a gift. athena was SO much fun

we've got a lot of unrepentantly shitty fathers in media, it's about time the girlbosses got more representation. Like there's plenty of toxic "I'm doing this for your own good" types but "I literally do not give a single shit about you" is usually a dad-exclusive domain.

My favorite part is the way she quotes, and then twists, the lyrics of Scream and Hic Svnt Leones. Scream is a song of horror and a call for help from the dying sanity of the Keywards. Athena’s verse denies their right to life and sanity, outright saying “never once were you truly alive”, which reminds me of Emet-Selch’s attitude towards the sundered. Hic Svnt Leones has more of a reveling in chaos feel to it, but its lyrics still have this air of warning people about their sins. Athena’s verse discards the notion of needing to worry about her sins, and turns the last line into praising the glory of her ascension. ----- Basically, she’s twisting the prior songs and showing how much she does NOT regret what she’s done.

I like the way the song is sung. It almost sounds soft, like a mother figure. It fits Athena’s nature. She seems so consumed by her personal desires that she thinks she is doing the right thing in her own perverted way. To simplify, she’s so consumed by her evil that she doesn’t know she’s evil. Someone like this is their own brand of scary.

@Enlong Jones It all brings it back to how contemptuous and complacent the Ancients became towards life. They're creation magic diminished the value of life. Pandaemonium emphasises this even more. You can only think that all these monstrosities were not created "for the benefit of the star" but almost like for kick at this point.

@@enlongjones2394 I also find that the weird beats, especially at the very start reminds of p8sp2.

"THIS WORLD IS IMPERFECT. IF ONLY I COULD WIPE AWAY THE IMPURITIES AND MAKE IT AS BEAUTIFUL AS ME!"

I think it could also be “sins we have borne”, to go with the “Pride. Greed” before that.

Hey now, we don't know. Those sheep are hiding something.

Did she just say 'thirsty for the warrior of light'? No that can't be right...

thirsty for wool would make a lot of sense given the here be lions from both hic svnt leones and Scream, where scream in specific mentions the lamb to be eaten.

I'm pretty sure it's "Thirsty for more".

Next thing you know Ultima is going to just be a raid wide, oh wait.

my interpretation of athena is that she was the ascian to the ascians: willing to sacrifice all life on it for "the sake of the star," to pursue a delusional, bloody idea of perfection at any cost and with no regrets, except instead of being an unsundered considering the sundered unworthy and replaceable, she already felt that way about the unsundered themselves

I would personally disagree that Venat has anything like a pure heart but I like your interpretations. The eye stuff and fundamental secret of life/soul research gives off Eldritch/Red Science vibes that I'm very into so this whole raid series has been a blast, I'm very much looking forward to what we get for Savage.

Venat does not have a pure heart. Good people don't kill billions and create a cycle where millions more die. Athena is Venat if anyone else found out the true cause of the Final days.

So, theres a ton of references to the high seraph ultima when it comes to Athena, I have a feeling the Monastery raids is rearing its ugly mug on second phase.

While I'm not sure if it's intentional, it echoes Emet-Selch's quote: "...but yes, moral relativism and all that. Case in point: *I do not consider you to be truly alive.* Ergo, I will not be guilty of murder if I kill you." But this isn't an Ascian speaking to their sundered inferiors, it's a woman who sacrificed everything for a taste of godhood speaking to her test subjects.

​@@sciencejoe That was the immediate connection I made.

@@sciencejoe Speaking to her test subject that is also *her own son*. Oof.

I like how the corrupted lines are in P9 and 10 as well.

@@DorkmasterFlek Her own son that she specifically conceived and gave birth to for the sole purpose of making into the perfect test subject.

In a way, her warped reality-ignoring realm in P12S represents a different shiny, apocalyptic endpoint for the Ancients. The Plenty shows the crushing ennui that the Ancients could have felt from finally "perfecting" creation. Athena's realm, meanwhile, is what happens when the most depraved person their society has to offer rises to power and turns all of creation into her plaything.

​@@SnopelolThe irony of her enrage being that even the attack itself is named after her own inability to understand just how laughably, morbidly unworthy she is of godhood, and why she will never truly know it in the way Venat did. She died as she lived, completely unrepentant and unable to find the answer to her question, not unlike Amon.

And at the same time we are chillin with the twelve and only fighting them for some entertainment. Srsly fighting the twelve feels like some sort of vacation.

And yet still humble enough that when the Scions tell them to either: - Lean on them if things get too much - Let them shoulder the burden too and help out They do, because for all their godlike power they're still an individual mortal like everyone else. They can *very easily become a god too* but no, they're just an adventurer at heart like Zenos says.

There is a reason why the name of our main theme song is “Maker’s Ruin”.

@@W4lhalla well yeah, we decided the twelve were cool. we got into like one fight and were like "Oh actually you dudes are alright, shit and here I thought you were a threat to all creation. let's party more often!"

@@jakedge3 "I got the drinks, be in Omphalos in 10 minutes, you got everything set up? Cool, let's hit the beat!"

That and the Twelve are always calling us their loves, their children and really excited to fight or hang out. Transforming into cute animals to go around. Very different vibe.

Not to mention how joyous the Twelves' themes are; it feels like they're rejoicing in one another's presence.

Nice false gods are still false gods.

@@zephyr8072 They're not “false gods” at all. They're gods of our own making. There is a huge difference. When we pray, they hear us and try to inspire us. They didn't ask to be there and they're doing the job we unconsciously granted them.

@@AuspexAO And therefore manufactured and Eikons of a different stripe. The fact that they're not malevolent and don't exist due to a specific agenda is irrelevant.

and this isn't even her FINAL form!

​@@SoooooooooooonicableWhen will her final form come out?

@@tuyua4652 P12S P2 is her final form

Endsinger still holds that title for me but Theos here is definitely not far behind.

Yeah. Similar to the Scream section, the first bit there is a direct quoting of Hic Svnt Leones

I hear 'ugly'.

To add to that 'Thirsty for wool' is actually more likely 'Thirsty for more'. As again that more in line with 'wool' randomly being there.

I heard ugly also

​@@NuminorTheFool I am hearing "These seeds **** have borne."

Agreed, that lyric hits SO hard. It's very telling: you could argue that the only thing that differentiates Emet-Selch and Athena is that Emet remembers what was lost with an intense longing (his recreation of Amaurot on the First makes this clear), while Athena doesn't give a damn about literally anything or anyone that stands in her way, past, present, or future, including her own family. Funny that the difference between a monster and a villain is just a pinch of gratitude. Both can rationalize away incredible amounts of suffering in the name of "salvation" or **insert virtue here,** but I can only bring myself to **moderately** respect one of the them while they do so.

It also seems reflective of a solipsistic mindset. She only seems to acknowledge herself as real and everyone else is not, defined only by their utility to her until that utility is spent.

Hermes condemned more than just his home. Every planet the Meteia went to fell to ruin. The scale of his fuck up is so much grander than what Athena's megalomania would have resulted in that thinking she's even on the same level as him is ridiculous.

@@kio4896 The vast majority of worlds Meteion visited were already a smoking ruin or were in their last dying gasps. The few that Meteion did nudge over and hasten their doom were well on their way to apocalypse anyway, because the Great Filter is without mercy. And she did so not because of any inherent desire, but because she could not handle the overwhelming sorrow that she experienced by the virtue of being a Dynamis-based hivemind. She was so overwhelmed by pain of countless dead worlds that the only way out of that constant pain was to end it all. Athena, on the other hand, had zero empathy for anything or anyone. She took the Ancients' mission statement of creating and recreating life to its furthest possible point, holding nothing as a step too far and reaching for the logical end point of that philosophy - apotheosis. There was not a shred of remorse when defeated, not a word of sorrow. Athena thought herself fully, irrevocably, utterly in the right, and her failures were all the fault of someone else - her husband, her son, her people, everyone but her. She was so far gone that she was ready to obliterate Etheirys itself, its very lifestream - not as a means of euthanasia as with Meteion, who above all craved for the suffering to stop - but as an act of utter spite. Meteion was defeated because she cared about life, just as her creator did. She was defeated by appealing to that empathetic core of her, by convincing her she was wrong and that her song of oblivion was a mistake. And she spends her last moments of existence to fly across the universe and send ripples of Dynamis across it, urging and ushering new life to be born after its release from Ultima Thule. Athena was stopped only because she was snuffed out right after her ascension, and only because she had vastly underestimated the possibility that her vessel of rebirth might have their own opinion on the matter. She saw nobody as her equal, valued no one's opinion, cared naught for anyone's free will. A universe where she had ascended and gained free reign would have been worse than a hundred Endsingers combined, as difficult as it may be to fathom. Not just hastening the demise of worlds already failing the Great Filter, but taking them, reshaping them, creating and snuffing out life and souls entirely on a whim, twisting and tormenting them as she pleased - for no other reason than because she could.

Hermes probably had clinical depression. Athena was a narcissistic bitch. :D

@@thesunthrone Well if you think about it, her failures ARE everybody else's fault. She would've succeeded if they hadn't stopped her 🤡

what many badguys (and people) fail to grasp is destroying a thing is relatively easy compared to the monumental task of creating a thing. that is true power.

great run everyone hit the showers

and WOL is like "that's nice, you got a license for that Godhood? no? that's a paddling.

She straight-up summoned her husband and son and went "look, they'll explain. Then maybe you'll finally understand." And left all three of you confused because, no, they didn't "understand" either.

@@keithfilibeck2390 LMAO fr like "ok lady that's enough"

@@joshy541 😂 Yeah they 'understand' alright....Understand that she was outta her dang mind!!

You know she the type to use "Bless your heart"

✋🏻guilty, I’m doing this fight now just to get the damn orchestrion so I can keep listening to while crafting 😅

I had the luck of getting the scroll REALLY quickly and it haven't left my orchestrion since

This built Eden Titan theme since I discovered titans theme in ff16 was based off of that one.

Seat of sacrifice was a refrence to elidibus being the only one from convication that got sacrificed to zodiark. Her Seat of godhood is probably she thinking she is above the convication.

@@peasantofpersia Yes but its very likely still a reference because right before this fight we fight Themis and not only is he "lower" than Athena but Athena also ended up controlling him.

I love this thought. Also I love "Answers unfold, one with truth defined" Answers being Hydaelyn's leitmotif and defining theme song. But Answers was about her telling us to SEEK answers. Athena presents herself as THE answer.

With that reading, "Say goodnight to the weakness that you hide behind" references it too, as she sees you as a truly staggering opponent who claims to be a mere familiar or mortal rather than being a mortal who's had to get that powerful fighting gods just as unhinged as her. Which could be seen as the mistake she makes with a lot of things/people like Eric, seeing *what* they are more than *who* they are.

@@dianaroy78 I see it more as: you are willing to be ignorant and say that some doors should remain closed. You are an impediment to progress and I will shatter that prison.

we are not azem

@@Peashooter521 I mean... We're not Azem as they were in The World Unsundered, but it is not subtle at all that the WoL is one of their sundered fragments.

Not to mention Theos's Ultima is most likely the original version

"haha Divine Veil/Dark Missionary/Heart of Light/Shake It Off goes brrr" ~ me, tank main.

@@Konpekikaminari alternatively, perhaps Athena’s version is as flawed as her plan as a whole. Though, both were being cast from the Heart of Sabik, so who knows?

*puts up a couple mits and shields* "Oh, we can do fine without; just don't want to be rude to our healers over there who will reverse it in like three seconds"

At this point the there isn't much in the universe capable of scratching the WoL. *INBF DONALD DUCK WALKS IN AND ZETAFLARES MY SCRAWNY LALAFELL ASS*

I also like that FF14's writers didn't try to make Lahabrea more 'reasonable' than we remember him in ARR. They gave him depth as a character while DOUBLING DOWN on his 'Fuck you, I'll do what I need to' mentality.

That's what makes FF so interesting. Most of the games all end up with Gods, fallen gods, God wannabes being final bosses. Japanese culture also involve alot of malevolent gods after all.

​@@Krescentwolfalso when you tell them their respective fates, Emet-Selch is crying, screaming, shaking in rage at the thought, and Lahabrea is like "yeah that sounds like something I'd do."

For your opinion, which one you love to hate more, Asahi or Athena?

"I'll tell you what I told the last guy, and the other assholes before them - we can do this the easy way, or the hard way!"

Athena: I have become unto a GOD! WORSHIP ME! WoL: To me you're just another mark on the wall.

Don't you think that's a little bit of a stretch, seeing as Athena is being shunned by everyone else in the Ancient society, most of all its leaders in Themis and Lahabrea, for being a deranged lunatic with a messiah complex?

@@TheNoMoreHero672 The only real difference is Athena expanded the scope and scale of the very same actions that they did, and removed the oversight. Elpis was the Amaurotines playing god, and Athena simply chose to stop playing god and instead become one for real. I think part of them knew that without the system of oversight they had, disaster would happen. Also consider that Hermes was also a product of the same society. He also saw it as sick, and also by not having any oversight on him became an accidental villain. Yes, she is rejected by many within her society, but that does not mean she is not a product of the society's deep seated arrogance and belief that they know what is best for the world.

Elpis was tempered by procedure. You had to prove that your creation has objective merit and would improve the star. There was oversight and a scientific order to things. I shudder to think what a deranged mind like Athena's would consider to be a boon to the star (or just her), unbound by any sort of morality.

@@VioletCatastrophe Respectfully, I could never understand this interpretation of the Ancients. The worst problem their society has is the unsanctioned euthanasia of what amounts to essentially animals. To them, they cannot create true life because they can't bestow souls to the things they create. As far as they are concerned, it is AI. Even if you wanted to argue that outlook is wrong, that is not arrogance, that is ignorance. There is nothing the Ancients do that we, and by extension the Sundered society, don't do 100 times worse, and the genuinely awful people among them *like* Athena are universally condemned. Hermes was an unstable individual so obsessed with his own self-suffering that he himself designed an entity that would feel physical pain from the negative emotion that he felt. He's an aberrant that I would certainly not call a failing of Ancient society. As we saw with Amon, his soul was doomed to be miserable no matter where he went. Should we call Amon a "manifestation of humanity?" It just seems like a bit of a double standard to me.

@@TheNoMoreHero672 There's two points I'd like to draw out from this, because it's a fairly constructed perspective but it has a few hiccups. 1) Your claim of Hermes being 'an aberrant' implies that Hermes' beliefs are aberrant or unnatural to the Ancients when they're not. Lahabrea, Athena, and Erichtonios all prove in different ways that the Ancients are not fundamentally free of turbulence. Certain sidequest NPCs also illustrate this in less dramatic degrees. 2) As a corollary of the above, Amon isn't a reflection of Hermes as he was in ancient days, he is a product of those days, and of one very specific instance. In fact, his breakdown after Aitiascope shows that the part of him that IS Hermes, that remembers being Hermes, is the one that won out. The rest of the points are fair enough observations, but I think saying that "Hermes' soul was doomed to be miserable no matter where he went" and begging the question of Amon being/not being a "manifestation of humanity" are too far a reach. And if those are too far a reach, it is difficult to say for certain that Athena would be "universally condemned" - otherwise, Lahabrea wouldn't have felt the need to sneakily imprison his wife and her work in Pandaemonium and keep her at length from the other Ancients. Given she ensorcelled Hegemone to her side, there is a real risk that her ideals could have permeated - Lahabrea himself says that said ideals and views didn't come from nowhere, but were magnified by the auracite. All Ancients are taken to some level of turbulence and they just need to be in the wrong place with the wrong perspective to be affected irrevocably and have those dark impulses magnified, and the most direct methods of that are in dealing with Dynamis. In fact, it's implied that all life in the universe is taken to the same tendency; the Memoria crystals bear a resemblance to the Ea's crystals, which are stated to bear a resemblance to crystals the Grebuloffs found in the depths of the ocean.

It has several lyrics from Scream too, including a new variant of the "say goodnight" verse

The real hero here. i was trying to pick them out myself.

the hic svnt leones part is so subtle and sexy omg

@@Trib273 my bad oops

Man, my favorite thing about FF music is that if you ever can’t decide which song to listen to, eventually one will come out that’s just all of them at once.

Thanks for this! I can see a picture which is Athena on the top of all the bosses in pandaemonium by through this song…😂

I'm not the only one getting SMT vibes either \o/

“One more god rejected!” As a certain Demi fiend would be hearing in his head or something

They foresaw everyone who didn't have a greek mythology phase in elementary school whinging about not being able to pronounce it again 😂

I am fairly confident it is "Gods can't hear you", like the Scream lyrics, from P6 and 7

Definitely buying into it being ‘Sins we have borne’ so far for that one line, if only because it compliments the preceding ‘Pride, Greed’ line. (You know, sins).

I know it wasn't correct but Thirsty for Wool is still the goat so thank you for the audible chuckle from me

I feel like it's more "Manipulate your mind" instead of "Manipulate your kind" and "My chosen one" instead of "ones" because of all the focus on how Eric got manipulated by her and was poised to become her vessel before we came along, and lines up with the previous verse how it says "a fool til the end" implying it's speaking to someone specific (Eric)

in context with the rest of the verse Pride and greed does make more sense lol

Oh shit yeah that is damn close.

Sacrifice was needed to survive

Omg I did the same thing! I thought it'd be one of those aoes that radiate outwards 😂

Had someone do the same on my first run here!

"Nah she tripping hard I'm out"

Whoever the mother is that you send this to... Damn. It's a mood

pay Check

@@solisimperium1203 At this point, same thing.

I automatically finished it with UNLEASH ULTIMA because it's simply not complete without it But it's also a very cool bit of recontextualization that the unhinged and gloating Lahabrea we meet in ARR is such because he's being twisted around by Athena.

@@thesunthrone Yup! I think most of the outright hostile Ascians in ARR were already redeemed, except for I think Nabriales.

And she says it so well, the VA really knocked it out of the park with that line...

@@Bob-ji3tc You're kidding, right? It's awfully delivered compared to all the rest of her lines. Especially the weird deep voice she puts on for "tremble", makes her sound like a self-parody.

@@Vulgarth1 I lost it when I heard that line, it was so unintentionally funny 😂

If there’s anything Soken has proven over the years, it’s not to ask “how can he top this?” The man will find a way without fail

@@Harrowing999 Soken is a primal all on his own. He is the god of music, and he can't be beaten.

@@jijonbreaker he is indeed a primal, and we are all willingly tempered

This might not be soken tho

Yeah electronic music tracks should be Inamura composition

*Wicked flight intensifies* Legit disappointed she didn't say "Dude,trust me, I'm a fairy" or something like that, would have killed the tone but would be funny as hell

@@martonszentkiralyi2251 Man, Evil Wings (just my preferred translation for the song name) is such a strong song. I would love it if they used a remix of some BD music in XIV.

She really does have that third act arrogant evil fairy thing down.

The fact this song twists the lyrics of previous songs feels like a very “Airy” thing to do lol

That's Ramuh's theme background screams in there, no?

YEAH DO YOU ALSO HEAR "I STAAAND AT YOUR GATEEE" it just happened subconsciously to me ngl

@@d.r.643 I can hear it too!

@@d.r.643 Same omg I thought it was just me xD

​@@d.r.643 Like with la-hee and the Bozja theme, it's taken from a vocal soundtrack for the purpose of sampling.

Her eyes are closed and her ears are replaced with wings. She can't hear you and doesn't care to.

She's the perfect antithesis of Venat/Hydaelyn (who was the previous Azem).

Not only to Venat, also to the Twelves who are worshipped as literal gods and they are there to just watch over everyone, letting everyone shape their images according to the wishes of the people. While Athena will get her hands on everyone and shape them to her image.

Lahabrea was not really present at the fights. Ellidibus on the other hand witness it and i think reconize it later when he found his peace ( his memory was afterall formed from his real soul unlike Lahabrea who was projected from the soul crystal)

I think Elidibus had this realization when we shared our Eather with him

@@Houseoholiker Lahabrea's watching the Abyssos ones, he has a line in p7 in the fight

@@Adam-th7qt ye but in p7 helps Themis to summon ur friends. U use the Azem crystal not once in both raid tiers. Only in the third one. A little interesting fact in p8 is the summon magic red cuz lahabrea helps this time to create ur "illusions" for the fight

Azem's crystal was made in secret by Emet-Selch. No one but him would have noticed and Azem themselves were wiped from all records. She'd have never known

If you talk to Claudien again after the quest ends and pick the first option there's an additional cutscene where they talk precisely about the High Seraph.

this is a great observation, but i also want to point out your typo of auracite as "auracity" and now i'm just imagining WOL seeing the heart of sabik after the ivalice raids and thinking _"the auracity of this bitch..."_

wool is just so dry it makes you thirsty

When it comes to the Endsinger, I think even "God" as a title is too limited to fit what it had done for 12 millennium.

Athena: the hell you- _>* Wol: *casts lb4 of each dps job* :3 we're gonna have loves of fun~ Athena: *internally confused screaming*

@@leonides1527 Yeah, nobody in my run used LB, so she ain't worth even that.

I'm embarrassed for even considering the word wool 😅