Damn, man. The lighting, set, filming, editing, b-roll, concise content, "on air" personality...all pro. It's like you've been doing this for 10 years. Well done. Subbed.
I like the atoll better because the part that mounts to the camera can be put into a peak design capture clip or be mounted directly to arca Swiss tripod
This alone is the reason why I went for the Atoll version. Another reason is if you want to use the camera inverted position meaning below your tripod to have the camera closer to the ground with the Smallrig, the camera ends up upside down given the limited rotation the colar has.
Glad to see a creator giving props to Silent Corner. I have seen other companies (like Smallrig and Ulanzi) ripping of their design (as far as I know) and it's disappointing to see a company losing to knock offs. I don't doubt the QoL improvements and price makes the SmallRig version great, but I am happy to provide my money to the original creator. I won't say I won't look at alternatives if I need another but glad you gave a nod to the creators. Great video btw 👍👍
And why did you not check out what you allege ? One would have to see, for instance, when Novoflex came first out with theirs. Then Sunrisefoto, suld be pretty easy. But up to You now.
Thanks for the comparison. I own an Atoll and glad that I bought it. The smaller size is definitely a plus for me so I can fit it in my bag better. Hope Silence Corner can add that for for lens alignment in the future
I actually bought the ATOLL last week for a very specific reason that was left out of the review. I think the added button to the smallrig is clutch, but the main issue with basically every rotating collar outside of ATOLL is the fact that certain lenses won't fit past the collar. I have a Tamron 35-150mm and it wouldn't have cleared the ring of the smallrig. The design of the ATOLL allowed this. Also, the ATOLL can be adjusted to have the ring slide slightly farther away from the camera body so that you can reach the lens release button. Still not as convenient as the smallrig but it hasn't annoyed me yet.
One benefit of the Atol is if you shoot with your tripod center column upside down, so you can get close to the ground, you can spin your camera 180° so it's right side up again. That would make messing with settings and finding buttons so much easier!
Nice comparison. I have the Ulanzi and its very similar to both atol and smallrig, just not a camera grip on the bottom and not manfrotto so it is just ARCA, which is nice.
Smallrig loses in my opinion based on lens compatibility and weight. Atoll can fit just about every lens you can throw at it aside from some larger telephoto lenses. The new Tamron lenses with the usb-c ports are not compatible with any of the other vertical to horizontal mounts out there other than the Atoll.
A great and complete review of both for those not in the know. I got the Smallrig mainly due to all the advantages BUT the Atoll required adjusting the distance to the camera with two bolts that would require some Red or Blue Loctite because no matter how careful you are but mainly temperature variations may loosen the bolts also you have to rotate to get to the lens release button. The one downfall of the Smallrig is the order point store is in China and may take a week or more arrive and also with China flexing its muscles you may feel you are funding their side of confects a terrible weight to bear if something starts up!
thanks for the video, it made me realize that the Smallrig collar is the appropriate one for my needs, as it fits my manual macro rail correctly, whereas the Atoll would mount the camera sideways, making my rail almost useless.
I have an Atoll for my Canon RP with adapters so they can fit my Olympus E-M1ii and Canon DSLRs as well. It won't fit my Sonys so I got an Ulanzi S-63 for those. Their main competition are L-plates, which are more streamlined when it comes to storage, but are fussier to work with since you have to keep locking and unlocking the mount to switch from landscape to portrait and the L-plate also blocks all the ports on the left. The rotating collars work fine once you lock down the collar to the tripod mount. Just unlock the rotating pin so it can rotate, adjust it to the position you want and you're done. No need to lock the rotation since it pretty much stays in place. You can even leave it at an angle, which you can't do with L-plates.
Excellent video. I also have both mounts and much prefer the SmagRig over Atoll. The singular reason why I have the Atoll is my Tamron 35-150mm because the USB port on the lens does not allow it to be mounted on ANY rotating collar except for the Atoll. In fact, Atoll specifically designed their mount to overcome this. It's great for anyone who has the Tamron but frankly compromised way too features compared to the SmallRig as you mentioned.
Great vid. A couple of comments… the orientation of the plate on the SmallRig means it mounts like any L-plate would. So it’s not that foreign. The Atoll mounts like a standard lens foot. So it’s a toss up. Also one thing that wasn’t mentioned is that the alternative to this is an L-bracket but many of them get in the way of the articulating screen so these collars address that problem.
thx a lot - perhaps the best review of both rotating rings with very valuable tipps about details: small rig is the evolution of the Atoll concept (as the real inventor) .. additionally in some other reviews it was mentioned that the small rig is more stable mounted on the tripod socket, it does not wobble as much as the Atoll...
What a great fully informed video you've made. Thank you so much. Unfortunately I have a Canon 1D X Mark III and none of the rotating collars I've investigated can accommodate the 80mm distance between the centre of the lens and the bottom of the camera. I so wish there was something as small as this and available and it's would be so convenient for my conference photography.... no having to remove the camera from the tripod head and reseating it again on the other side of the L plate.
My Atoll has detents at 90 and 180 degrees, if you consider landscape to be zero. The 90 is only in one direction, ccw - looking from behind the camera. You can get 180 turning cw or ccw. The 180 allows the monitor to be correctly-oriented if you reverse your center column to shoot extremely low angle or close to the ground. Also, there is a 1/4"-20 tapped hole to attach a Manfrotto or other QR plate.
Omg. I was SOLD until you mentioned the LCD screen being on the bottom when flipped toward you 🤦🏻♀what an oversight!! (and THANK YOU for pointing it out!) Since this is several months old I wonder if anyone knows of a lens collar that lets you turn clockwise?
I haven't seen any. I think the problem is the camera grip getting in the way. Honestly, you might be better off just investing in a tripod with a ballhead mount that can turn your camera vertical. In the end that worked better for me.
I'm not sure which tripod you got, but it should be. However it's very important that whichever direction you tilt you camera on the tripod for vertical orientation that one of your tripod legs is positioned underneath it because the weight of your camera is being shifted to whatever side you tilt it to and it needs that support
I lost the Atol's locking screw - it has/had no total unscrew security. Luckily I had what it needed to replace it (in my "always keep unnecessary parts...". Otherwise I like it a lot. There ARE jet still other brands doing similar rotating solutions (I think Novoflex and Sunwayfoto are some one of them to check out - and stay tuned about).
At first I was excited to hear about the SmallRig! But then I was sad to find out it was for Sony and not Nikon... I picked up the ATOLL as a backer on their Kickstarter for only $79 and found that it didn't with Nikon, even though they claimed it did...it would only rotate 240 out of the 360 degrees they said it would before stopping on the grip...I had to mod mine by putting washers between were the camera mounting plate attaches the ring, so it would no longer hit the grip!
I got mine through Kickstarter too, but for Canon with an adapter for Olympus. You definitely got the wrong one but they did note that there were differences for different brands. There were even differences for mirrorless and DSLRs.
I'd like the smallrig to have it more expandable with an l-bracket or what not type of thing to expand it out. The screen position with the turning isn't too big of a deal, I'd just want to make sure I'm in frame and then make eye contact with the lens haha. Cool comparison, I like the idea of these things.
Great video! Awesome info, I have heard of these, but unsure if I really need it! I love your style! New subscriber! Im also a Sony shooter! Wildlife and landscapes!!! Looking forward to your next video!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
If you have a Sony A73 then Silence Corner wins a SmallRig don't list my camera as compatible. I use a Small Rig L plate works better when sitting the camera down.
How would you propose manufacturers allow the camera to rotate clockwise? It would need to clear the grip (which varies from camera to camera) without interfering with whatever lens you might be using. The only solution I could think of would be a right-angle system that offsets the camera from the tripod head and connects to the lens mount from the left side rather than the bottom.
Question - How many lock positions does each collar have? My understanding is that the small rig rotates at 0° and 90°. Where as Atoll has rotation positions at 0°, 90° and 180°. Can you please confirm if this information is correct? For shooting low, it would be nice to invert the tripod with the camera at ground level. Rotating the collar to 180° would place the flip screen upward. At the moment I prefer for ATOLL for this reason.
I got the ulanzi version on sale during their pre order. I think it's great but it doesn't work with my tamron lens but works my other ones. If I didn't get it onsale I'd buy the falcam branded ulanzi version with the F38 baseplate built in.
I really like the Smallrig version but they have left Fuji X shooters out in the cold 😢 Only the Atoll has a Fuji X compatible bracket. But now we have a few other manufacturers making them.
Nice review. Small rig looks better but I'l stick to my L bracket. The reason is that ring takes up space between the lens and the grip, which would reduce my purchase on the grip. This may not be an issue with a small lens or with strong fingers. But for those who have a large lens or weak or arthritic fingers, the reduced ability to have a sure grip is dangerous to camera and wallet.
I don't think the Atoll is sturdy enough. I have the Atoll S and used a 70-200mm lens, tried to capture full moon but can't get sharp images because it shakes. Lol. Never using Atoll again with zoom lenses. 😅😅😅
I use the Atoll with a 70-200 and it is just fine. The build is very solid. Your experiment was extreme and if truly problematic could have easily be cured with the original lens collar. The Atoll does not obstruct men. Using a 70-200 for moon shots: hmmm?
@@DesertPackrat yeah moon shot as part of experiment and it was shaky as hell 🤣 maybe the tip is bit heavy 😅 so now I just use the lens collar for the 70-200 since it’s more steady but I still use Atoll for my other lens😅
So I’m browsing the Tube of You as one does and you’re video pops up, not familiar with the product so thought I’d check it out. Very interesting as sometimes use longer focal lengths but not all tele’s have a tripod foot, which means my little Fuji is having to take on all the load. I wonder if this would help? Also how exactly does this mount to the camera body and are they universal or are they camera specific? Looks like I’ll have to go off and do my own research. Lastly, props for great video production. Very informative, well lit, sound, editing, tone etc, must be in the business, very professional. Subbed 👍
Thank you! They both mount to your camera via a quarter twenty thread and THERE ARE specific versions for different camera brands. Sorry I missed that detail. I've only ever used Sony.
What about lens compatibility ? L-brackets mess with the orientable screen on the back, which is the number one reason for ditching them in favor of a collar. But collars mess with lenses instead which is even worse, unless all your lenses are compatible. How does these two collars compare regarding lens compatibility ?
With these older models of collars, the Atoll was better for lens compatibility (I only own 1 lens that wouldn't work with the SmallRig but worked with the Atoll). However, this video was a while ago and I'm guessing there have been updates to both these brands that may have improved lens compatibility issues
Not being able to rotate clockwise is a HUGE problem, especially if you're using an external monitor (large 24" monitor on VESA mount) - it will always rotate the wrong way!
both great, of course small rig is the winner. it just depends where your limitation with lenses or adapters will start. Or do they have the same inner diameter?
Only the Atoll can support all the new Tamron lenses with USB-C port. So if that's important to you, only one option. HOWEVER. If you do this. You need to push the collar far back towards the body of the camera making it annoying (but not impossible) to press the lens release button. Lenses we're talking about here are the Tamron 28-75 G2, Tamron 50-400, etc. no other rotating collar supports these lenses, full stop. If the above is a big issue, or you have even bigger lenses like a 600 or 800mm, Atoll makes the Atoll X which has a 93mm diameter. HOWEVER, in truth, if you're using a lens that big, you should probably be using the actual lens collar that comes with the lens because stability may be an issue due to a massive shift in center of gravity (even Atoll suggests this).
@@ArminHirmer makes sense. Other than the super big ones the Atoll has the best compatibility of any of these brackets. In my opinion, the Atoll is the best option for most cases. If you're invested in peak design system, this is amazing for compatibility there. It's lighter weight than most other options including most L-Brackets. It's customizable and can be adjusted for supporting smaller cameras, stacking ontop of l brackets and cages, etc. and of course supports more than just Sony cameras (through different models of course). I find the smallrig and other options too limiting. Adding peak design base adds more weight and reduces the practicality of a bracket of this type. Not supporting modern high quality lenses (even nearly a year after launch) through updated versions is a big L for the others. And finally, no 180° rotation for most other than Atoll. 180° is amazing to have for if you're shooting extremely low on a tripod like with wide angle landscapes (and not have to have your camera upside down). Personally, the Atoll is perfect for me, as long as I'm not doing long exposures with my Tamron 50-400 (the stabilization in the lens is more than sufficient to handle the ever so slight imbalance). If I will (at like 300-400mm), then it's the lens collar of the lens itself 100%. Far more convenient this way in my opinion
Thanks! I haven't tried them on an APSC camera (my a6400 is my webcam), but I think that makes sense. The smallrig has a grip extender that's tailored to the full-frame body style, which would make it incompatible with APSC cameras
Thanks my friend. Can you confirm if SmallRig is compatible with Sony A7III and Tamron 28-200mm. The inclusion of the lens release button is very interesting.
It is not compatible with an A7III camera. I bought it and had to return it. I tried to make it work for an entire day and it is just not compatible. When you attach the rig to the A7III camera it presses the lens release button all the time, so you can´t actually attach the lens. I ended up buying the LS-63 from Sunway photo.
Regarding the clockwise rotation, Silent Corner now offers both the Atoll D and Atoll X which provide more clearance between the ring and the camera body. This also fixes the issue of hard-to-access lens release buttons. m.youtube.com/watch?t=5m32s
How the two collars work on he Nikon Z 6ii? As fas as I could understand, Atoll C and D collars are for Nikon Z 6ii. Does the Small Rig also have a separate collar for Nikon Z 6ii? Please educate.
ULANZI Horizontal to vertical is better than Atoll and SmallRig. Ulanzi takes it to another level, where you can add a handle for video, like a video rig.
I haven’t tried the Atoll yet but both ulanzi and smallrig versions won’t fit my tamron 28-75 g2 because the ring is so tight you can’t get the usb c port on the lens into the emount
Interesting....I still have the v1 of that lens and I haven't run into that issue with the SmallRig. I just checked and the Atoll collar ring is a little thinner, so it might give you enough clearance.
@@BrayGrayy I can confirm after just receiving the Atoll both the Tamron 28-75 g2 and the 50-400 tamron work using it. Now comparing the Atoll to the others I can see why. Especially with the ulanzi. It uses a elevated ring that can’t be adjusted like the Atoll which is causing the ring around the censor to hit the lowered usbc port. If you have the Atoll and put it vertical you can adjust the 2 screws which allows the ring to move closer and clears the USBC ports by like 1/32 of a inch. I wish I could post photos to show the comparison but I might just need to make a video about it.
Well, the Atoll is way better because it's not only for Sony cameras but also for other brands! Therefore who cares about the Smallrig version (Sony only)?
There’s a new version coming out under the Falcam brand. I tried one and what is cool about it is that on the ring is a nato plate to attach a hand grip to. I think it’s on the Ulanzi site as pre-order. Unfortunately, like with many of these things, Sony only…which sucks because I shoot Canon. The cover the lens release button is a no deal for me, so my options for Canon are limited. I did see one from Fotopro that doesn’t use a full ring, but rather 1/4 of one for a universal fit. Might try that one.
I have an Atoll. Terrific! But, I’ve found that if you want to use a panorama slide rail, it doesn’t work because you attach from behind. The small rig, because it attaches from the side, should overcome this. Is that the case?
@@BrayGrayyThanks for replying, i just trying to figure out if their is Any L bracket that are designed to Sony alpha A6400. If I use a regular L bracket can I use a wireless mic to my camera?
@@kitusan Ah, I see. I'm not sure about an L-bracket, but a cold shoe relocation plate might work for a wireless mic since the a6400 has the flip up screen