Attempting To Solve Transformers 4's Kill Card Mystery 

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I like how canonically all the transformers took the time to have their pictures taken of them so that the cards can eventually be made

always gotta appreciate that despite not getting an answer back to confirm who’s on those cards, Theorymus always ends up leaving us with SOME sort of satisfying conclusion or solution 😂😂 👏

I like how tf4 implies that the US government was not aware that the CIA was also targeting the Autobots. That's why Attinger was going after Cade because if he testified to the Government then their secret would be exposed.

I think the original plan was to have 52-54 unique cards and the doubling up of characters was a way to save time and effort. We definitely have enough robots to fill such a roster.

These kill cards were really giving a itch in my head for 9 years. I thank you for making this video because I really wanted to know what happened all the remaining Autobots and Decepticons

Knowing sideswipe, mirage, & roadbuster are alive makes me so happy. And hopefully in the events following the last knight they met up with the other bots to rebuild their home.

One interesting detail is that the kre-o set for lockdown's ship calls the lead foot figure "sideswipe" and evasion Optimus is also in the set. Hasbro also released a 2-pack of Optimus and sideswipe Maybe we were originally going to see the first battle with lockdown and sideswipe would have died as Optimus escaped

Thanks for explaining who were on those kill cards because I always assumed that most of the Autobots, including Sideswipe, were deceased. Also, I find it really cool how they're based on a real-life concept, which is something I always enjoyed about the Transformers movies, when they take real-life elements and incorporate them into the story.

Too bad the card’s current owners are so secretive. This was one of the few things I can say Bay did right in the franchise

I’ve always hoped Sideswipe and Dino were still alive, this finally give’s me closure knowing they did escape that corrupt organization

Sideswipe according to a UK Lore Piece: *Killed by Cemetery Wind* His card according to the deductions of Theorymus: *Actually survived* Yeah, I'm treating the Theorymus video as canon our favorite rollerstaking bot from the Bay Continuity is alive and well

The cards in the movie was shown to us as a way to know who was killed.

Its always nice hearing how more Original Trilogy characters may very well have survived. I would like to think that shortly after the events of The Last Knight, Optimus was able to find Sideswipe, Skids, Mudflap, Mirage, Roadbuster, etc. during trips to bring fellow Transformers back to Cybertron and he was overjoyed.

I hate that these movies weakened the Transformers so that they could be killed by humans but at the same time it made them not completely useless, and I suppose it’s possible that the autobots helped them improve their weapons.

R.I.P to all the Autobots in DOTM (except for Sentinel prime) Especially Ironhide Sideswipe Wreckers Dino and yes even que

Speaking of the jokers, I would propose an alternative theory that both of them would display Lockdown. We know, that the Cemetery Wind came into contact with him some time before AoE, so considering how he does not affiliate himself with either faction, one may speculate that they have put him on the joker cards thusly acknowledging that Lockdown can become an enemy in the future. Taking into account Attinger's unconcieved dislike for all Cybertronians, it seems very much in character for him to treat Lockdown as a potential aim for when the other transformers are hunted down.

The only Autobot who so far wasn't confirm to be killed or not was Mirage. Because if see the cards, the Autobots who got killed, died before Aoe and after that. I still have no idea what happened to Mirage in the bayverse. Also to the comments section, who here loves Mirage in Rise of the beasts beacase I like him.

I'm glad to know Roadbuster probably survived. I always theorized that he was with Topspin in Cuba, since in one of the TLK scenes, Topspin is shown playing volleyball with someone else, and they mention someone named "Rodrigo".

I hope Barricade is one of the jokers simply because of his famous final battle disappearing acts😂

I wonder if any of these missing characters would have been brought back if a Bayformers 6 actually happened. Y’know, maybe there could’ve been a big cavalry moment with them and others during the final battle with Unicron, like in Endgame.

Bro is the type to find out book-long info from a single pixel frame

I also spotted a cool detail about Soundwave when he spoke in DOTM if you look at his speakers on his arm you can see they are moving everytime he speaks

FINALLY after 8 WHOLE years. I feel like I’m satisfied with the cards. Even though we don’t know the rest of them.

I'm really happy that Sideswipe and Dino are still alive! I hope they come back in later movies or even in a post credit scene

Hearing you talk about the 2003 Invasion of Iraq for even a brief moment was very surreal

The transformers character of sideways being labeled as a joker card is fitting for him for 2 reasons reason number 1 has to with the joker card being labeled as a wild card and reason number 2 has to do with him being able to switch sides between the good guys and the bad guys

Loader's cgi model is my biggest part of the mystery. DOTM made toys out of so many characters, im surprised he didnt get one.

While it might not be concrete with leadfoot not being marked as dead & garbage being misspelled it’s nice to think that Sideswipe survived. It’s also crazy that a couple people spent $800-1k on these props and have said or shown nothing. I appreciate you making this video, it’s been something I’ve questioned for almost 9 years ago & I’ve always wanted to know who were the other cards.

It's impressive how you figured out sideswipe with so little detail

Starscream and Igor are Queens 👑 😂 seems accurate enough

Im really happy sideswipe and Dino are alive there were my favorite characters and i honestly loved there designs.

I’m just glad a couple of auto bots like mirage and sideswipe are alive

Im flabbergasted at how much effort this man puts into every video man spent hours, days maybe, looking at every single angle of thoose barely visibls cards to try to find wich bot it was and even found a pattern to it AND made the deck cards himself, truly a legend. Good job man!

Damn now I wonder how a fight between Sentinel Prime and the Fallen would go..

I really think Cemetery Wind was a really cool concept.

What if Topspin was the 2 of Hearts/Spades? It would make sense. On top of that, We haven’t seen Topspin’s card, so…

Bro Bumblebee being wanted seems so weird to me lmao

16:20 YEEEEES!! HES ALIIIIVE! Sideswipe was always one of my favorites when I first watched the Bay films. Glad to know he made it to the end, even if he wasn’t on screen for it. I remember earlier theories believing he was killed by Cemetery Wind due to the ambiguous silver chassis/remains we saw in KSI labs. Guess that disproves that, thankfully whew

4:00 - 4:05 I like how you were doing a thumbs up and nodding at the camera, you made it feel like an actual commercial and I love that!!!🤣❤

I would have thought Ratchet would be 2 and Arcee the second Queen, and the Jokers could have been the small bots as one was originally a Decepticon. I'm just glad Sideswipe's alive :)

As much as I love Sideswipe, I do think it makes more sense for him, Roadbuster and Dino to have been killed by cemetery wind. Like, they don’t pose too much of a threat if the only autobots they’ve been confirmed to have killed were ratchet and Leadfoot. And before anyone says that their cards didn’t have an X on them, well neither did Leadfoots and we know he was killed.

We don't need the owner of the cards to show them now, our boy here revealed everything. We appreciate your efforts for us Bayverse fans.

Anyone else really want to make a card deck using this line up? I think it would be cool. And great video once again, i love your work man

" Are there any signs of any others?" " No, we're all that's left." " They're shooting us down one by one." Well those lines from AoE are now retconned.

Now that I know Skids, Mudflap, Roadbuster, Dino, and Sideswipe are alive, I want another Bayformers film TLK wasn't a good ending

I can’t believe that those nerds never showed what the cards were

Where the hell is Dino and sideswipe

I really wish they would make those for the public not just exclusive people who attended the auction

Although the last 2 bay films got more criticism. In AoE, it kinda make sense that the wars between autobots & decepticons on earth caused much distruction. Especially the civilian lives lost throught out these wars. Which is why high powers in the government like the CIA, show there frustration. Over losing there's, and other's loved ones, but the impact these wars had on human life. Also how this issue wasn't paid much attention and prevented before. But overall, there were many small errors to the plot that could've been fixed to make it better.

Thank you for making this Theory because when I was little when I saw this movie for the first time in the theater, I was very confused of what are these cards for.

Jolt and sideways being the jokers got me rolling

Wasn’t there a deleted DOTM scene where Dino gets executed by Soundwave? I kinda always assumed he was dead because of that and I swear they killed skids and mudflap off screen

Thanks for taking all of the time and effort to do all this

Wait a minute. i read in a Wiki that Autobots was granted permanent Asylum on Earth. After the Battle of Chicago, NEST was shut down and was replaced by Cemetery Wind, and was given the task by the President himself to hunt down the remaining Decepticons. But Attinger has other agendas, especially after being contacted by Lockdown. Attinger himself viewed all Cybertronians as evil so he was willing to betray Optimus, and after being promised a technology by Lockdown, he contacted Joyce to establish to create their own version of Autobots, as they needed to establish the fact that the Autobots are still alive to cover their tracks.

We really needed this, thank you theorymus for clearing up many plotholes❤

Dang! I have lots of respect for you, Theorymus! You are quite the detective!

Astrotrain could also be one. He appeared in the idw movie comics and you made a theory that he might be in the background of DOTM

Man, I hope i live long enough to see that Loader card, it's been almost a decade and we still no idea how he looks like....

After seeing that Elita-1 card, I am incerdibly curious as to what happened to Chromia and Arcee now.

If cemetery winds manage to kill all autobots they would all be dead by tlk

I also like how Decepticons (the ones responsible for Chicago) were locked up, where the auto bits who literally fought for them were killed on sight

Fun fact: There IS, in fact, art for Mudflap and Skids, as Hasbro did manufactured toys with Dark of the Moon design. I myself happen to own the Mudflap toy in the small variant

YOOOO ANOTHER THEORYMUS VIDEOOO

It would be nice if the owners of the cards reveal the true cards to show how close was theorymus with his cards, to the real cards

I’m glad mirage survived he was one of my favorites. I just wish we got to see him again

I do wonder what causes Cemetery Wind and Attinger to put Garagebot so high. Like is he DotM Berserker? What unspeakable acts did he do or what chain of command was he in that he was above Shockwave *and* Soundwave? Really makes me think of like these secret stories that aren't told and hidden

Unfortunately, I would wager to bet that a private collector purchased those cards in that auction a long time ago, so I don’t see them coming forward unfortunately :/ thanks for the video regardless, it was worth it for closure on sideswipe

You have to accept the truth that both Dino and Sideswipe are dead. Lemme explain: There are 2 reasons: 1) when autobots reunited in one scene Hound said that there are only 5 of us left, which means that all other autobots have been killed. 2) After Lockdown says 'its my personal prison now' there is a scene where there is a lot of trash that are used for the fuel in Knoghts Temenos. However of we take a look we can see the body which is being ripped out, and there are red parts . And based on the color, thats Dino. And if we look at the very left, we can see Sideswipes blade lying on the ground, this is Sideswipes blade which makes the thing that Sideswipe is also dead. Here ya go, thats the evidence

Amazing video and I love the selections you put for your cards Also, glad to see that Dino and sideswipe are alive!

I’ve been subscribed to you for a long time but seeing this video reminded me of you, your videos’ quality is good and I will watch the rest of your vids. Way to go, keep theorizing brother and I will always be excited when you upload!

Good morning and Good luck untangling this mess Theroymus.

I'm just wondering, are you going to do more what if I survived episodes?

Thank you so much theorymus, I have been wondering this for years

24:09 You can see that there's a card that says Beam and the letters GH before that. I assume this meant that there's a Transformer named High Beam in the movieverse (it's pretty blurry if you see it close up, so it may be hard to tell).

I’m watching Transformers: Rise of the Beasts today, I’m so excited.

YAY PLAYING CARDS also im watching rise of the beasts tonight and im gonna be so excited

I believe that dino is in cuba playing volleyball because they showed that short scene where a transformer with armblades is hitting a volleyball.

I’ll never get why autobots wouldn’t scan a flying vehicle to eventually scan a jet to get out of earths orbit. I’ve always imagined someone doing that to get help from the stars

Nice video! I have a quick question. During Dark of the Moon when Sentinel launched the space bridge and all The Dread variants made their way from the moon to Washington D.C. and scattered. After the Battle of Chicago, what happened to the remaining Decepticons? Were they hunted down or went into hiding? It sounds a bit confusing, but I was wondering what happened to the remaining Decepticons or probably mainly The Dread variants.

Nice vid Can’t wait for rise of the beasts

Thank you for making this video it's so cool to finally have some answers

What I like about these cards is they show us where the Autobots and Decepticons were last seen in which city and Country that was the cool part about the cards

For all of you who think Lockdown is stronger than Optimus, let me explain to you how wrong you are, Optimus literally destroys him. There were "four fights" between them. 1. Off screen in Mexico city 2. When CW was chasing Cade, Lucas, Tessa and Shane 3. When Optimus was fighting Galvatron 4. Final fight In the first fight Attinger tells Lockdown: "What happened in Mexico city, I thought you had him(Optimus)" and Lockdown said that he gave him 2 mortal injuries and than humans allowed him to escape. Meaning that that was a trap, an ambush, even Optimus said that was a trap at one point in the movie and it wasn't a 1vs1 fight, Lockdown probably shot him behind his back or something, humans attacked Optimus and Optimus got away because he was injured and didn't want to hurt humans. In the second fight Lockdown was chasing Optimus while Optimus was chasing CW in an attempt to stop them from hurting Cade, Tessa, Lucas and Shane(he wasn't running away from Lockdown). And even tho Optimus was injured and in a rusty state and was trying to save humans he still managed to beat Lockdown there, because he hung him on some ropes or something and could have killed him easily there but he went to save Cade and humans instead. In third fight Optimus was winning against Galvatron and was above him, punching him and all that stuff and then Lockdown shot him behind the back, again, so yeah, even tho it's obvious and stupid, some people still say that Lockdown won that fight, lmao In the final battle Lockdown gained and upper hand from the start because he had the high ground and some parts of a building that Lockdown shot fell on Optimus and Lockdown was winning at first because of that. Now, Cade was there but he did NOTHING to Lockdown and then Attinger came and Cade was helpless. Look now, Optimus turned the fight around, and was starting to beat Lockdown, then he saw that Attinger is going to shoot Cade, he put Lockdown on the ground(meaning he was winning and yes he was winning while also looking out for Cade, so he wasn't even 100% in a fight), shot Attinger and when he wasn't looking Lockdown gained an upper hand again and got Optimus on a wall with a sword through his chest. And then Bee and humans started helping, but it is so clear that Optimus would have beaten Lockdown if it wasn't for Cade. And for you people that are saying Lockdown caught all the dinobots he is so strong, well think again, he probably just used that giant magnet from his ship, and that magnet almost sucked them in again but it was Optimus who destroyed the magnet. So, my point is: Lockdown is strong, but Optimus Prime is stronger!

Finally. Time to end these bayverse loose ends and start a new era

This really makes me think, how many possible reintroduction or autobots and decepticons we could have in the fan funded tf6 movie set in the bayformers universe, I'm genuinely interested in seeing all of the autobots and the mishmash of the five previous sets of autobots hanging out and fighting along side each other

I think this is the status of autobots 1: Topspin is alive 2: sideswipe and mirage parts was in lockdown's ship 3: jolt's head was in Age of Extinction 4: roundbuster is maybe alive(i think not) 5: all Skids and Mudflap are offscreen dead by sentinel 6: Elita and Arcee are dead in Revenge of the Fallen 7: Chromia(unknown

Let's be real, 4 and 5 never happened and it ended with Dark of the Moon

*Loader Gang Loader Gang*

I love learning and exploring my child hood, it’s always GREAT to come back

Autobot card 10 looks kinda like Ratchet to me, the color could be like a very darkish green, and the "panel lines" could be Ratchets front push bar. It could also explain the upper piece in the card since ratchet has big shoulders

Going by how many Autobots and Decepticons that are alive, minus the dead characters there is probably around 40 Autobots and Decepticons who are still around going by there being 52 cards in a deck

honestly i believe fire brothers' theory of the nuclear power plant and i'd like to think most of them died except for the AOE autobots and bee that's my headcannon probally they would've brought them back in 7th movie but honestly they said in AOE with dino's case is pretty was much just Bay's car and sideswipe wasn't planned he didn't get a mention alongside the others so i would say most of those bots died before AOE and the last one was ratchet you know what they could've used for rise of unicron they could've gone there with sentinel's pillars and probally time travel to bring back some of the bots i pretty much thought they would bring sideswipe and dino back in tlk in the venezuela scenes

Theorymus, you are hands down the best transformers content creator. You actually reaserch and put in evidence and real life facts to back up your theory’s. Keep doing what you do! And Hol up is sideswipe getting his own What if I survived?!?!?!

12:27 Heart of Spades

I agree I’m very glad and this makes me feel a lot better

Skids and mudflap have been my favorites ever since i saw the movie so im glad they are alive

This is really good. Havent watched your videos in a hot minute. How have you been?

Good job man! Very creative, i really enjoyed in this video, i always do! Your videos are fun!

i thought i was the only one with a ROTB bumblebee in my setup :) i love it