He was a very witty and lucky man, considering how many times he was close to falling out of favor with the royals and yet escaping with his head intact.
When I was watching The Tudors, Henry Howard the Earl of Surrey was my favorite character!! He was so funny in the series and yet he was a very serious and poetic man. He was writing all this poetry and he was a loyal servant to King Henry and whatever Henry wanted Surrey to do, he would have done instantly. I know he was a bit flashy but he was far more loyal to the king then most of the others in his court. what a shame King Henry did not know about everything that went on behind his back even though he thought he knew. Haahaa!! I don't know how true this is but in the movie, around 1545 or so before he went to war he was scolding his counsel and raising hell because he really was in a lot of pain. I'm surprised he got out of bed to even go in to sit at the council chair because he could hardly get in there in the movie and he was walking with a cane and limping. It made me hurt every time Henry's leg wood get infected & ulcerated. Eww .. I've had abscesses from one horrible ear infection that scarred my ears for life. I have had at least five Dental abscesses and they are all miserable!! Dennis gave me Percocet for my dental abscess after he pulled my second molar and gave me an antibiotics but it still hurt like hell about two days and I went to the liquor store and picked up a bottle of brandy when I got off from work. it helps better than that Percocet and I only drank about 2 ounces. I think a lot of Henry VIII marriage to Catherine Howard he spent away from her because of his leg, and that's likely why she never got pregnant. It always made me curious because Catherine was around 17 or 19 years old. and at the age where IF men looked at women, they'd get pregnant OR if they get so much as got breathed on. Haaahaa!! it's either that Henry could have been sterile by then (. at age 48 to 50- unlikely or possibly Catherine could have been using some pregnancy prevention measures they had at that time. it's possible that his illness and having constant infections with SUPER HIGH TEMPS. can sometimes cause sterility in men. On a couple of occasions the doctors thought the king would die because his temperature got so high and his leg was completely swollen from his thigh to ankles ( in the Tudors). Henry was screaming so loud like he was giving birth and in the movie you could see Charles Brandon's boots going through the Castle as fast as he could go. the Dr would not make any decisions or do procedures on Henry until Charles was there. was that true or was that just the movie? Charles was his best friend and by this time Henry was late 40s ( 48-50). King Henry was so miserable and he looked at Charles pathetically. Henry sooo sadly said "Charles". it was so sad whimpering out for Charles to help him. one scene in the movie was that same scene and they feared King Henry was going to die either before the treatment, during the treatment, or afterwards. the doctor was asking Charles what to do because he didn't think that bleeding the King was going to be enough since it was his entire leg. Edward Seymour told them that they should call for the barber. I don't know what barbers did medically at that time. Charles told Edward Seymour that a barber could kill him and he didn't want to take that chance with the King and his best friend's life. I'm sure Edward Seymour would have loved to have been in charge then ( 1540). Charles ordered everybody to leave the room and he stayed in there alone with Henry for several hours. Charles Brandon was watching the king every minute and his temperature was so high and the King was pretty much unconscious. Henry couldn't answer any questions or anything and this was a decision up to Charles to make. Charles was in there with Henry all night probably 10-11pm to 7-8 am. he made his decision by 6 or 7 in the morning because he knew if he did nothing the King was going to die because his fever was so high and it wasn't going down and his leg still looked disgusting. he called for the doctor and told the doctor to get a barber & Edward Seymour said he knew of a good one. it was just a special touching moment right before Charles Brandon ordered the barber because he was on his knees in the floor beside Henry and praying to God to help him make the right decision and asking Henry to forgive and asking Henry to forgive him if anything went wrong. Charles was Charles was not an impulsive man like Henry. yin/yang I have fibromyalgia lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and I know all about pain! I didn't think it could get any worse until I herniated my low back and then I herniated my neck a couple years after that. I'm 52 and I've worked as a lawyer and a registered nurse. I'm always over doing it. I've been on disability since 2005 when I was only about 38. autoimmune disorders are hereditary but the herniated discs were apparently all on me or my body. I was lifting stuff that was too heavy and it wasn't even nursing but I was moving. every time I watched Henry VIII in pain during the movie, it would make me hurt just thinking about it...s a movie but his leg looked abscessed on several occasions and they didn't have alcohol or peroxide back then. I don't know how in the world he didn't get sepsis!!! Henry may have died from septicemia at the very end of his life most likely, but I think it was about the time he was married to Jane Seymour that his leg looked awful and hurt so bad. the doctor did the only thing he knew he could do; and that was cut that part of his leg open and Let It Bleed to help get out the infection. Bleeding and leaching were big kinds of treatments back then. When I went to RN school many many many years ago, we were instructed that some circumstances necessitate leeching, but not commonly used in America anymore because we have antibiotics and vaccines all over the world except in third world countries. Ewww it seems nasty to me.
Maryann lockwood - he's holding half a que stick in each hand. They screw together and come in a case. Norfolk was a professional pool hustler on the side. FYI
I was curious about that as well! I wonder what was going on through his mind at that moment. Would he have saved his two Boleyn relatives if he could have or would he have rather saved himself by severing the tie between him and the disgraced Anne?
I don't think he had any choice in the matter. The other men had been found guilty, so Anne certainly couldn't be innocent, and they were charged with high treason, crimes against the monarch, and so he was expected to sentence them to death.
Hi Claire! Good video as always. Our duke was fortunate to escape Henry's wrath, but you know he had to really grieve for his son. How's the Hever book coming along? I'm ready to read it. Please, if possible, include a floor plan of the castle. I haven't found a reliable one online, and when I listen to people describing the castle, I can't picture the layout. Thanks!!!
Thank you so, so much for this account on Thomas Howard, third Duke of Norfolk. Even though he was bad, I really, really like and admire him. He was hard core. He was indeed very, very lucky to have been released from the Tower of London. Not many left alive. Mary knew he was experienced and she had need of such men. He helped her in the Jane Grey trial.
Another great lesson. He must have been one the luckiest men in tudor history. He certainly would have been for the chop despite all the service he gave to Henry if it wasn't for Henry himself dying January 1547 He was part of one of the many factions at court over the years but managed to just about hold out. These people knew there would be a hard price to pay for failure or if they got on the wrong side of the wrong person but I suppose the quest for power was all consuming. to some of them
Watching on this day in Tudor history is my favorite time of day!!! I watch them every evening. Clair thank you for your videos! I told my husband all I want for my birthday this year are copies of your books 😄😄.
A lucky man indeed!!!! Not many people disagreed with Henry VIII and got to die a natural death. Especially when it came to declaring/ supporting Henry VIII for war. Someone really was looking after him. When a new monarch came into power was it custom to pardon those in the Tower? Thank you as always for another great video. They are always the highlight of my day!
I think he was pardoned because he was such a hard-old-school catholic. He never hid his religious opinion and revolted strong to new religion. That was the type Bloody Mary I wanted. But he was cruel to his wife, his mistress and any woman too.
🇭🇲🦘 "Hi" Lesley. I'm a fan of Claire's videos too. Only found her a few months ago and enjoy her daily 'talks' very much. Also view other videos from her 'playlists'. Fascinating. I've also purchased some of her books. They are fantastic. Claire often describes herself as "a Tudor Nut". You'll find (after a while) we all are 'Nuts' in the nicest way of course. I'v been welcomed, so I welcome you. Enjoy. Bye. 👋👑👍
I can't believe how many connections there are with people from the Tudor era and the city of Sheffield. In the city centre we have: Howard Street, Norfolk Street, Rockingham Street, Arundel Gate, Surrey Street, Talbot Street, and Shrewsbury Road. Further out we have Effingham Road and Hatfield House Lane - I'm sure there are others I can't think of at the moment; several of these you have just mentioned in this video. (We also have pubs named after them.) The only connection I can think of with Sheffield is Sheffield Castle where it is said Mary Queen of Scots was imprisoned for a while? Do other cities have streets and pubs with these names?
I did a bit of google searching and found that Mary queen of Scots was imprisoned at Sheffield castle for a while, when it was owned by the Talbots who held the earldom of Shrewsbury. The Talbots were in charge of Mary for quite some time, so she stayed at many of their residences. the Duke of Norfolk (the Howard family) owned Sheffield manor after that time and land in the area. And of course the Arundel name is a part of the duchy as well. I’d be curious when and why all those streets got their names!! 🙂
@@xoxoJoyce Thanks Joyce. :) I'll see if I can get hold of an old street map to see how long those street names have been in existence. We have an area in Sheffield called Norfolk Park an housing estate rather than an actual park nowadays, not to far away from that is a building that I have never seen as it is hidden away, which is reputedly a smaller version of Alton Towers, (the house not the theme park). so this again shows the connection with the Talbot family.
I had a couple of questions below and another comment but my question regarding the Duke of Norfolk not being executed because Henry died beforehand. I'm just wondering why they didn't go ahead and execute him a scheduled once Edward became king? Did it happen to be one of those things that Edward Seymour and Charles Brandon in the whole counsel for God about in the midst of the King's death and Edward's coronation?.. all of those greedy little monsters waiting around to see what they could get their hands on after the King was dead. He knew what they were! Charles Brandon was super super loyal and loved him as a friend and they were like brothers. I cannot say so much for the other ones at all.
I think they were far too busy sorting out installing Edward as king. It was always a worrying time, the death of one monarch and accession of another. It was easier to let Norfolk languish in the Tower, and he hadn't actually done anything wrong.
It's all " moths and candles" no matter how long you fly around the candle( harry 8) and how much service you carried out for him, he would dispose of you, if he felt you had let him down ( wolsey, cromwell etc.) Norfolk had destroyed his own nieces ( anne boleyn / catherine Howard) yet was lucky to survive the beast.
I don't know about Norfolk being "lucky". After all his son was executed and he was imprisoned throughout Edward VI reign on a charge that was baseless. Henry was being a jerk as usual. I am curious about why he wasn't released during Edward VI's reign? I am assuming power politics and a desire to make sure he wasn't a political factor.
Its certainly an interesting episode in the life of the Duke of Norfolk, I wonder, just how stupid could he and his son have been to quarter the royal arms in their pedigree? and for what reason? Worth delving into this story a little more.
This may sound a bit odd, but I've always viewed Norfolk as a bit of a snake. Wiley, clever and... yes, lucky. Interestingly enough, I never view the likes of Margaret Beaufort in the same light. Perhaps it's because of the imbalance of power between the sexes. Can't help but cringe a bit when I hear that name uttered, though. Did I MISS Tim's quiz? I hope not. .
Imagine if Donald Trump had the same power over life and death as henry 8th had, I mean, both have got rid of associates and both men have an opinion that they are right and everyone else ( that do not agree with them) are wrong!
