My autism and schizophrenia propell eachother. In an ideal scenario my special interest would be my own delusions and halucinations therefore propelling them further leading into a never ending cycle of psychosis.
I'm an autistic person who wants to do a PhD in neuroscience. This was truly mind-blowing. I'll just throw away all the papers I've been reading till now and start a cult.
Autistic schizophrenia is the best because you can obsessively categorize your delusions to the point of appearing as near scientific fact. Not to you, no; other people. Like, half of you is completely aware this is bullshit, but the other half is absolutely immersed in some alternate reality. And that can usually lead to a whole lot of senseless garble. But with the power of autism it can practically scratch the veil of reality and terrify normies. My favorite pastime. Best hobby. Also, never lonely? Always got a buddy to chat with. Imagine getting bored of life while being simultaneously possessed by a demon, and the demon agrees, and you go make a grilled cheese and desperately brainstorm something new and interesting. Yes, believing in demons, wholeheartedly, just isn't enough.
It makes perfect sense, so long as you reject the shared perceptions of others being that they are entirely unverifiable and simply embrace madness aka be based
"I refer to studies to prove my point but you should know I looked for those studies to prove my point" lol I wish all people were this self aware and honest
I'm an autismophreniod here. The whole "No middle ground" is very true. I can abstract amazingly and I can spend hours enjoying the gritty details of a problem but the mid-level abstraction to bridge between the two can be a struggle. I don't agree with necessarily all of your characterizations but I love the humor and this is definitely the closest I've seen someone get to explaining the schizophrautistic experience. It's nice to be told I've achieved the ultimate horseshoe of lateral and vertical thinking, but that middle ground disconnect can be severely hampering. It's doable but hard to focus on things that aren't very big or very small. I think we could do a lot more with a diversity of ways of thinking, but not everyone needs to think this way. We'll always need neurotypicals and different types of neurodivergence to help in their unique ways. Subbed, cheers!
by acknowledging the informalities and potential flaws in what you're saying, you manage to turn skepticism on its head and convey strong points fantastic work, worth the year-long wait
My bro, I straight up had a psychotic break last year and the dualities of autism and schizophrenia etc were a big part of it. Thought I was gonna start a revolution and shit lmao. Epic vid.
Watching this channel feels dangerous. These ideas are absolute nonsense, but so cool that I might accidentally absorb and believe them unwillingly. This is no good, I'm scared. Confused, unsettled, insecure and scared.
We're reaching such high levels of audacity with these hot takes that they're starting to hold merit. You know, in a "this just might be batshit crazy enough to work" kind of way.
Memes aside, this is the real counterculture. People with these "disorders" are often extremely alienated and mostly find connections with other neurodivergents. You are tapping into some really powerful energies here Jreggo
I'm not going to lie, the anti-centrism phase was irony masquerading as harmful, but this will actually materially harm people. Good job Jr. Eg, I love it!
I know suggesting that people can be both autistic and schizophrenic is stupid, the more you tell people this the more you will convince people to believe in their misdiagnosis and therefore they will be more likely to believe them and more likely to be put on the brain damage poison, spread the word that the people who claim to want to 'help' will harm you and others and people will believe them only because they are indoctrinated by them. Learn and see what is right in front of you all.
This comment depicts perfectly my mental state for the last 20 mins. I have Asperger's and I'm extremely high in openness so yeah. It's either he is lying or I'm not sleeping in two weeks, yay :D Like, in the very source Jr. Egg shows in the other video, when talking about autistic people, it says that "neurodivergent people think creatively" which is one of the main signs of being really high in openness (schizo or not, which is not even a scientifically valid association but whatever) Edit: turns out I'm fine again, Im Schizoutistic now apparently
As an autistic person who has read before about the surface similarities between schizophrenia and autism, I was expecting this video to be one big facepalm, but I actually really enjoyed it once I noticed what you were saying about autism was very true to my experiences! Here’s my input on the interaction between my autistic traits and sense of identity and reality. Basically like you were saying, I can tend to get really deep into one thing, so much so that it can influence my identity and become a part of me! Sometimes to the point of me indulging in a related fantasy. For instance, I get really into a tv show, I convince myself I am a character in the tv show. Another thing is that like you were saying about schizos having a bunch of different egos, I also experience something similar because even though autistic people have intense special interests, it’s extremely common for us to have more than one. So I will form these different identities based around different intense interests, some of which contradict with one another and lead to me feeling like I have no identity. Anyways, I think autists and schizos should make out, like if you agree! Edit: I will say though, let’s please not spread misinformation about autism. It is the way your brain forms when you are a baby, and this structure of your brain cannot be changed after infancy. We can talk about the way of thinking autistic brains are predisposed to, but please don’t talk about becoming “more autistic”.
Great writing on this. Unfortunately most jreg content even at its best is simultaneously really enlightening and potentially dangerous bc of the “run the gamut of all possible perspectives” gimmick.
I want to suggest, respectfully, that Jreg's "become more autistic / more schizoid" comment is not aimed at actually increasing those brain functions but in encouraging people to quit resisting their own impulses. Let's take the train conversation, for example. An autistic person trying to have a "normal" neurotypical conversation is going to restrain themselves from going too deep into the conversation and talking only about trains. A schizoid person trying to have a "normal" conversation is going to try to restrain themselves from going too wide in the conversation and talking about three dozen casually train-related stories with inherent meaning. Jreg encourages us instead to stop adhering to neurotypical ideals or our interpretation of them and, instead, allow ourselves to function the way our brains naturally will.
Wat? He says that to empower those that have it. These disorders are more like a different type of person rather than an illness. You are born Autistic. Schizophrenia is often associated with drug abuse poor sleep and poor diet. Live well people
this entire video's layout, tone, pacing, and even the humor all hit right here it needed to. Degenerative minds think alike i suppose... my fellow schizo brother, i got the typal, you got the phrenia? we could make like a voltron/power ranger mecha of all the schizos...
@@karanimenielsen4665 BRUH YESSSS ANOTHER HEALTHYGAMER FAN, FUCK YEAH! I'd love to see his reaction to this. XD I don't think a direct interview would be good though, because JrEg operates on a level that's pretty incompatible with how Dr K does things; but Dr K going over his videos... I think that might be pretty interesting.
I think it’s important to recognize that “having no ego” is horrific and not the same kind of egolessness that is talked about by Buddhism. Your sense of identity is really a set of boundaries without which you don’t know who you are. You can’t recognize yourself which is for most people very scary. I like the system here though please flesh it out more. Tell me how Autizmophrenia is not just a well adjusted neurotypical, because it’s kinda sounding like what your describing
I'm autistic with bouts of schizotypal crackhead energy. My proudest accomplishment is that, in my teens, I wrote a book entirely without a plot or main characters. It was purely just a list of facts presented as a loose collection of materials as if you were going to write a historical record but decided not to at the last minute. It included a full schematic on exactly how spacial compression was possible as a method of FTL with an outline of the risks and a travel fare stub from an important political figure who went to a memorial for those who lost their lives experimenting with the process, who was then inspired to start a war because of the talks given at that memorial. The whole thing was, apparently, completely unintelligible to the neurotypical layman, and required a flow chart as a guide to see what was happening. The world was not ready for a connect-the-dots style of novelisation but by god did it feel good to complete. My sole regret in life is that I only made physical copies of them and lost them in my parents' attic.
@@floridianwolf1029 actually, making a murder mystery like this would be either amazing or terrible... Like imagine how much people online would talk about it because there isn't a definite God's eye view of the story saying "yup, this is exactly what happened". You gotta figure it out, determine what is important and what isn't, etc etc
@@thewizard1 12 year olds are the only people who can be truthfully racist, without the internal conflict, and life experiences that contradict their racist ideas, dulling their racism's potency.
I was/am an Aspie (undiagnosed until the last year). I kinda "broke the walls" of my subconsciousness by frequently using psychedelics in my youth. Since then my life became pretty easy (I was much more "inhuman" earlier, more like a "robot"). After I finished "experimenting" I got married and started "normal" life, founded a small company etc. Generally I reached almost any goal I have set to myself. Now why I am mentioning all this: what you say in the video is telling is so accurate when I relate this to my life, it absolutely explains why my psychedelics "self-therapy" was so successful: as an Aspie I lacked the lateral thinking mode, trips on psychedelics are "de facto" schizophrenic ("hiperlateral") episodes, so effectively I learned the second mode and them "melted" both types of processing information, what caused the exponential increase in daily life efficiency of my brain.
Autism is found in almost equal proportions in the Male and Female population. Studies have found that women are much better at masking and therefore they don't get diagnosed
I dont know if its almost equal, but women are underdiagnosed, because if some autistic girl obsesses over K-Pop therapists are interpreting that as stereotypical behavior while its akshually catalogizing vast amounts of information, there is no direct joy in consuming the media, thats just a nice addition, its about collecting the data, influenced by a little spark of female perception of beauty. But there are absolutely also females who are fascinated with infrastructural objects too and carry the more stereotypically masculine perceptual phenotype
The best part is when the voices tell you that your medication is going to kill you and you vomit them out because your autistic inner child is convinced that the voices are telling the truth and just want the best for you
this makes too much damn sense to me. it feels like the way I already conceptualized people. I feel like i’m the example of the schizo side without the autism, and I am diagnosed with ADHD that really affects my executive functioning. I have a lot of friends who i just kinda feel like are more autistic-some of them diagnosed, some of them not-and i always notice while I’m jumping from one thing to the next, have a surface level knowledge of a weird variety of things, those friends are way better at one or a couple of things and like to spend a lot of time on those. I kinda loosely thought of it as a spectrum, but you’re definitely more right because they arent like mutually exclusive things or two sides of the same traits, they’re more or less independent
oh my god guys, you dont get it. HES LITERALLY DOING THE SCHIZOPHRENIA THING. Hes drawing lateral moves between completely unrelated things. hes found logical connections between two different things
@@claireschweizer4765 typically if you have adhd youre more likely to also have autism than just one or the other. the adhders and the autismos are comorbid buddies in theory. if you have adhd and this makes sense to you..... congrats you are part of the team :)
@@1011MLE and if you don't have autism, what are you waiting for??? Just get it! Drink milk! Pretend to be a baby to get more MMR vaccines!! Think really hard about trains!!! You can do it!!!!
So hypothetically😅 if a person say had Schizophrenia on one side of the family and Autism on the other and they know their brain is "weird" what do they do with that information.... hypothetically this person is also quite creative and prone to not finishing a task once out of a flow state.
As an autistic person who perfectly fits in to the more conscious categories of this video and has both autism and schizophrenia balanced out and understood for a cleared way of thinking, there is a huge part in our personalities that involves spirituality, some see things through a much larger perspective its so easy to lose yourself in and mute out the physical world. I also have synesthesia and see things through a different 4d perspective through colors and feelings and am somehow able to see, visualize, and predict different things or events instantaneously without effort like its just magically projecting out of me. Its like my consciousness is not directly connected to my body and all my movements are automatic and without effort to think, like I'm watching life TV.
I have “mild” autism and schizotypal personality disorder. I created my own religion using my ideas of reference and delusions. Then I built on it using my intense focus and obsessive research skills. All was good, except now the guy i believed was my soulmate who inspired the entire religion is probably dating someone else and so my life has basically fallen apart. I have nothing now. Autizophrenia for the win!!!!
I'm also you, except a milder mild autism, and the shizo parts only came from frequent psychedelic use. My religion was called "Modern Religion". "All the good stuff of the ol' religions without all the boring chaff!" I appointed many of my friends as bishops, their role would be largely unimportant but would be frequent enough that they can feel like they're contributing something to the group, cause really, isn't that what people want from organised religion? The illusion of responsibility! like "spreading the gospel to the people before they burn eternally!" (lol what a fad I'm surprised something that cringe lasted past 2016) and then after doing the "cosmically important deeds" you return to a nice big house with pretty windows and drink tea with biscuits. THAT is EXACTLY what people want from religion.
Hey there, I'm not sure if you know this but in case you were unaware, autism labels like "high-functioning" and "low-functioning" are based on an outdated view of what autism really is. I'm autistic myself and i was diagnosed with high-functioning autism, however i also have some "low-functioning" traits. This will oftentimes lead to confusion with others, because they will expect me to do things that i just can't do. Anyway, if you want to educate yourself about this further, I could recommend you a few RU-vid channels to look at: paige layle Chloé Hayden Yo Sandy Sam Woodshed Theory Basically, autism is not actually a linear spectrum, it's more like a colour wheel of traits, the severities of which vary from person to person! Hope that helps and congrats on your diagnosis :)
I hope you read this, but my friend who showed me your channel passed away recently in an accident. He legit had autism and schizophrenia. Was a brilliant mind and watching this video has been wild. God bless.
I'm sorry for your loss. I lost a friend to s*icide in March 2021. The greif from the sudden unexpected death of a friend is one of the hardest things I've ever had to deal with. A year from now, you'll probably still think about them on a near-daily basis, like I do with my late friend, but it gets a little easier with time.. Sending you love from one random internet stranger to another.
Thanks homies. He was actually on a good positive trajectory but then some actual freak accident shit happened. Always let the homies know how important they are to you.
@~*UwU*~ Buddy, I was just thinking about my friend this morning when I saw this. I really appreciate the kind and positive comments from all you internet strangers. Bless you all.
Schizotypal here Language learning is the best way of developing both Schizo and Autism. Language is a metaframework in a way because it is incompasses a lot of different frameworks (Phonetic system, Graphic system, Grammatic system, Vocabulary system) and for every schizo out there, it is an giant playground where there aspects are almost infinite. But in the same time, all of these systems build up in one consistent communication and conceptualization framework and the language skills (Speaking, understanding text and speech, writing) are pretty much vertical graphs to move upwards. Language Learning is the ultimate Schizoautist activity edit: There's actually a scientific hypothesis called "Sapir-Whorf hypothesis of linguistic relativity" that assumes that in many ways, languages we speak shape the reality we observe, check it out
Can prove, knowing several languages created several personalities in me all speaking one particular language, sometimes I mix languages because a perfect word that describes the situation or a thing only exists in one of the languages
got my mind blown with this my dude so I'm english fluent and know a tiny bit of french and russian, like elementary school levels which should I do first? : super-max english to high heaven then do the others or get the other two up to fluent levels then proceed to max out each one
@@arsenal4444 what's your native one? But alas go for russian, learning a completely different language gives an idea how speakers of that language think
I’m a mildly autistic person. As I was watching this, I thought “wow this is kinda funny and maybe the most schizo thing I’ve heard in a while”. And then it hit me. Well played sir.
I've been working on understanding this connection for a while! Great channel. You get a subscribe. I'm really stoked to hear someone talk about mental illness in this kind of, nearly revelationary way, which is rather schizoid to believe to begin with. You've somehow perfectly summed up what's been happening to me for the past year and a half since I've turned 30. Fucking thank you, and thank you for your work to de-stigmatize mental illness. I just got back from the Psych Ward, and realized everyone who happened to be there happened to also be these wonderful, beautiful, and intelligent individuals who desperately just wanted to get help, and finally freed themselves to the possibility of not being exactly as mentally sound as they had previously thought. KEEP THIS SHIT UP. I believe in this kind of content definitely! I hope to see you in youtubes top 10 or some shit.
This is simultaneously possibly harmful nonsense and a genius dissertation on vertical and lateral thought that can be used to further the human experience. Schitzism perfected.
when i was a child they diagnosed me with adhd and put me on ritalin and prozac and i did great at school but the only emotions I had were when I was "happy" (aka achieving/doing something) and every time i came across something that effected me emotionally I always got upset at myself and took it out on something, sometimes i would just just throw shit and scream. when we moved and i grew up I had a psychotic break like 3 years after quitting the prozac and ritalin and they basically looked at my medical history after I was in a 2 week hospice and diagnosed me with schizoeffective. i personally believe schizos are more prone to having invasions of thoughts converging while autistics tend to compact as much information into a thought structure as they can. excellent video btw, keep it sick..
Don't believe people who want you to believe in order to be able to harm you. Evaluate and do not allow them to control and harm, you have been warned.
@@dreamcogs3877 Thank you, I am simply trying to protect other people that these things get their evil grasps on, the harm they can do is endless so you must hide as I am doing to remain safe and intact.
@@ffffffffffffffff5840 Speak that will lead to evil is bad, it will lead people to believe these 'illnesses' are even real when that is the thing their theory works if they exist but they don't! You see 'doctors' made it all up because they think that their phony 'reality' is universal when it is not, we simply open our eyes and see! They are the ones that want to harm you so we must hide, I am in hiding and everything is so much better, never again will I allow their poison and evil to be inserted into me, chemical rape, I don't want the brain damage anymore or for them to harvest my energy, I know better now so I must warn others!
damn Jreg, i thought I'm autistic till 18 but now i see i jump from topic to topic, developed multiple personas where each friend knows my personality differently and they can't relate to one another. while an autistic person dives deep into a subject, the schizophrenic one jumps between and creates graphs. i Love graphs, and i love second brain programs where i can create my networks of unrelated stuff and hypothesize the meaning of it. so basically I'm autistic in a schizophrenic way i also don't have friends
I don’t know who you are, or how I got here, but this is the REALEST thing I’ve seen in a long time. I have so many things I want to ask you or debate with you. I don’t have enough people in my life that want to have these discussions.
To (autistically) refine this, the concept you're describing is the duality of order and chaos - which is probably the deepest, most fundamental and most universal archetype - it's close to the base of the structure of the conscious experience (at least for humans). I think you probably know this though seeing as you mentioned the yin and yang and flashed up a picture of the ouroboros. I also found your association of schizophrenia with excess female genes and autism with excess male genes super interesting because when looking at ancient universal archetypes, chaos (schizophrenia) is typically represented by the feminine, where as order (autism) is represented by the masculine. TLDR: The only important divide would be more broadly defined as ORDER/CHAOS rather than AUTISM/SCHIZOPHRENIA.
Order and chaos seem to be described by at least a few of the Big 5 traits too, namely conscientiousness, openness, neuroticism and agreeableness. Possibly even Extraversion to an extent.
I feel like a lot of this comes from an outdated understanding of autism. For examples, nowadays it's a known fact that many, many of us don't stick up to just a few special interests to which we dedicate our whole lives but instead go through dozens and dozens, when not hundreds, of special interests throughout our lives. I have very long-term special interests that I will probably stick to my whole life, but I've also had maaaany fleeting special interests that have just lasted for like a year, a few months, a few weeks, or even just several very intense days. It's also being increasingly recognized that autism + ADHD (an extremely common comorbidity) is almost its own neurotype very removed both from just autism and from just ADHD. Those of us who have both autism and ADHD are more likely to go through a way too long list of special interests throughout our lives, to be more open to experience and more disinhibited and to struggle more with routine, order and sameness (which sounds quite "unautistic" but it's a experience I can assure you that the very large percentage of the autistic community that have comorbid ADHD can relate to).
he is obviously talking about actual mental illness, but i think this is just another one of his frameworks. it doesn’t matter if your framework is based in truth, it just matters how useful it is. to be fair, it takes a very high iq to understand JrEg. his frameworks are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp on schizo-politics, most of the theory will go over a typical viewer’s head
@@Tog1259 I get the framework, it's not the first time I've come by a framework that juxtaposes autism and schizophrenia as the two extremes of a spectrum. I've read a lot about theory of mind, which says much the same thing (in fact a lot of this video is very clearly inspired by theory of mind). But ultimately I think both this video and theory of mind take an outdated and overgeneralized cliché of what autistic people are and use it to talk about much broader themes that are somewhat removed from the actual reality of most autistic people. Like, they aren't so much talking about autism itself but about the idea of what autism is to most average people. Don't get me wrong, I think there's definitely a grain of truth in what he's saying, I agree there's somewhat of a spectrum between autism and schizophrenia (not just about the ideas of what they are but between the conditions themselves). But they are very much not opposite conditions, during the early days of the theory of mind a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists theorized that it was impossible to have both autism and schizophrenia, and now we know that not only that is false but also that we autistics are actually quite more likely to develop schizophrenia and other primary psychotic disorders than neurotypicals are (to the point that some people are proposing that going through transient psychotic states in periods of life in which we are experiencing intense emotional turmoil may itself be a trait of autism and not a comorbidity).
He does have a point though, autistic people do climb “towers” of knowledge in a given area to a higher “storey” compared to neurotypicals, it’s just that he thinks it’s because we climb fewer, when in reality it’s because we climb faster.
I fully agree with this. While not actually schizophrenic, I do follow a lot of the schizo thought patterns (forming disparate connections between subjects, open to many explanations to one problem). My best friend is autistic, and whenever we discuss topics with lots of ground to cover, that is exactly the way we build our conclusions. Our ways of thinking about problems are so different, but it helps us create in-depth theories that our somehow incredibly grounded. Mental illness for the win!
As an extremely lateral adhd neurodivergent thinker I must say you are a total genius and you speak in half truths, more dangerous than a lie or full truth could ever be.
Fun fact: before DSM II, autism wasn't a separate diagnosis. It was a symptom of schizophrenia. However, they realized that there's a specific sub-group of people who present with autism way earlier than the typical schizophrenic (autism presents in the first decade of life, while schizophrenics have an onset between the second and fourth decade of life) and never present with psychosis in their adult life, which is why they separated autism out as a separate diagnosis.
Child onset schizophrenia can still happen, though, and usually it's much worse, unfortunately. Often it's assumed to be autism until it progresses to clear psychosis, because of how much rarer it is.
Autism and schizophrenia are very different conditions, but there are still psychiatrists who persist in believing autism is a form of psychosis and must be treated with anti-psychotics.
@@WolffStaedtler Very sad indeed. Autism doesn't need to be treated with any medication. I just thought this was an interesting observations which is why I shared it in the comments :)
iirc when i was looking up empathy or social skills i ran into a note that social signals are misinterpreted in opposite ways between autism and schizophrenia and it seemed like a spectrum. I didn't find it anywhere else but this made me super excited seeing this video title. Divergent and convergent thought is a meme often, creativity and IQ being the correlates; dualism
The Neurotypicals are necessary for the reproduction of the society which feeds the NDs. The Schizos create the religion which autistics develop. This aligns perfectly with the Ancient City States of the middle east like Sumer and Babylon. The priest class are the Schizos who experience the religious ecstasy which allows connection to the gods which animate and propel the city. The autists are the bureaucratic structure behind the priest which builds the temple (both physically and socially) while the NTs are the pleb class. This also aligns with the Trifunctional hypothesis of the Indo-Europeans (Schizo = Priest, Autists = Warrior, NT = Farmer-Merchants). The Man on the Peeks, the Schizoautist recognizes that lateral thinking and understanding multiplicity leads to the same truth of God as the vertical thinking of the Autist. Both find the mystical meaning behind Truth in their flow.
@@soulseer5 ye theres a reason like 80% of mass shooters are autistic or schizopost online all day like that youtube headquarters shooter or the NY subway shooter.
NTs are the hunter gatherers and are almost always above the pleb class. Is this some sort of coped bias? You realize you merely have to change your behavior to join us rather than act condescending to continue acting unreasonable whenever something triggering happens in your life.
Jreg you don’t know how much you were speaking directly to me (or possibly you did) and it’s helped put a lot of my life stuff right now into perspective, and unironically broken my indecisiveness, fuckit go schizo and pursue all interests, really headed that dude 👍 getting a Patreon sub
I have more mental illnesses than I can count (I can count a lot, I am neurodivergent), I am useful. This logic is actually correct, you backed it up with studies, approved by an entropic vertical thinker.
There are only two genders: Schizogender and Autismogender. The categories of man and woman are increasingly outdated and meaningless, covering only very superficial aspects of a person's behavior and life. As a result, we increasingly reject those labels. Autism and schizophrenia are however inescapable as categories. They perfectly define all existence. As greng said, women tend to lean schizo while men lean autismo - but the key word is 'tend.' In reality, it is Schizos who tend to leand female, and autismos who lean male. Autismophrenics represent the transcendence of this binary, a mastery of nature. Deification.
I would love a story about gender relating to this sort of idea of personality traits, mental illness, and neurodiversities rather than genitalia, and fabricating a framework incorporating *new* neuro-roles (instead of gender roles, roles based on neurodivergancies and neurotypicality), THEN creating a social/political environment and creating an ultimate discussion about an underlying commentary of the importance or illegitimacy of gender roles (all the sides), the human diversity within the mind and it's possibilities, as well as the main question of having a main framework for neurotypes, or a continuous spectrum incorporating the vast possibilities with each individual when it comes to neurotype, personality, etc etc. And the end result of having the question answered as, "both" coming full circle with the Autism/schizophrenic discussion
I like this comment because I have thought similar things. It's very wrong, but I like to see it Its worrying how gender is being dissected today. I find that I feel a lot more schizo when I'm male and a lot more autistic when female actually... But really... Fuck man. We need love. As long as both genders can feel and express love it's okay I've been placing love in a female box. I've been placing that female box inside man, thinking that only man holds the true feminine essence of love. This! Makes! No! Sense! :)
@@mcdaddyhagrid5391 Materialist neuroqueer takes have stuff to say on that, especially throught the idea of transcending dialectics through singularities, incrementally; and how structures like gender and neurotype hierarchies do not have an inner existence by themselves but a performative and moving one, relating to a certain space-time, born via a specific domination system (psychophobia/ableism and heteropatriarchy) and existing relatively to that system and not by inherent design. The logics of entropian determinism and acceleration encompass every bio-social systems and structures for me, at society's levels, genders, neurotypes, races (as social constructs), classes are determined to dilute themselves into more and more categories and sub-sub-sub-categories to think, perform and leave behind, or be extinguished if the species fail. Could it be possible Ulrula Le Guin had some preshotting of these themes in fiction? Other SF writers, neuroqueers? As for theory > Donna Haraway, Xenofeminists, Deleuze, Land before he fried his brain, Preciado, many random schizautistic trans girls, and more and more trans men and cis/nbs too lol, we're a bit late to the party^^. I bet alienists could have some gender takes; maybe scroll through post-CCRU stuff, Urbanomics etc.... As for schizotypal post-theory, it's not easy to think of much people, but Valerie Solanas for what I know has potential; Unabomber had potential but chose the bad ending (schizo, insane IQ, masters or thesis in tech before he went prim). I hear Burroughts as quite cited in "these spheres" but clueless what was his thing.
As unironically bullshit as this is, it explains... it explains a lot, actually. About myself. I never thought this funny meme of a channel would provide that kind of introspection. I was born high functioning autistic and had to go through socialization therapy to be "normaler" and it worked, but my father, and every man in his family before him, were all plagued with varying degrees of full blown schizophrenia. I've recognized the signs in myself too, but I refuse to address it with a doctor, as recent events have cemented my distrust in even the most pedigreed experts. After recent events, I've grown to not trust anyone anymore with anything but myself, so I've just been trying to... well, learn everything. How to make medicine and chemicals. How to make and use firearms. How to cook and make clothes and work livestock and crops. How to build things. How to use workshop tools and machinery. How to administer first aid. Mechanics and Electronics and the likes. I even figured out how to draw pretty good. Language seems to be the only thing I've regularly failed to maintain, but it's probably just because I don't have anyone to spar with. It's hard to be fluent when you have nobody to practice with. Of course, this means that I'm usually never satisfied, even if I end doing what most people think is relatively well. It's... it's actually kind of miserable, but in only the most extreme of moods. Every waking moment I'm plagued with this constant sense of "I've figured it out" and "I don't know what the fuck to do," to the extent that my entire worldview has been divided into a perpetual analysis of what something is and is not, including what I am and am not, and it's become this unending stream of paradoxical contradiction. A never ending stream of ones and zeroes in the context of the real world. I simultaneously want everything and nothing in equal measure, and the entire world has turned into abstractions to witness, contextualize, decontextualize, discard, and recover obsessively. My only anchor at this point is that I am a human with biological needs I have to attend to, so I end up realizing that this is not a sustainable lifestyle, but that I am seemingly incapable of thinking any other way after living in this deranged state for so long. I've been softlocked into this, and I can't tell if it's willingly or not. At the moment, I don't know what to do, but given enough time, I will have suddenly thought I've figured this out, and slightly suppress it as though it's solved. Everything has become complex, meaningless noise I am compelled to decipher. A television static in slow motion, a cloud rapidly changing shapes or vanishing and reforming, a superposition ever changing between two clearly defined states that nothing can ever be completely. I am obsessed with this noise. I know that something is wrong, I know this is not supposed to be how things are, how people live and think, but it's inseparable from me now. I'm perpetually terrified and comforted. Its overwhelming, but anything less feels wrong. It's an almost indescribable sensation, and I didn't think anyone would come close to a description of it until now. It may be stupid, but thank you, Jreg. This has given me an important new perspective on things, however unhinged it may be.
Quiet the mind. Be calm. Feel your body. Watch your experience with a sense of the present moment. It is always here, right now. Breathe, and relax. Duality only exists with the mind. Shut the mind off, and you will experience the present moment, uninterrupted.
If this is legit then please talk to someone about your mental health because you're like explaining exactly what the onset of schizophrenia can be like, and while it could just be a place your head is in right now, it could be something you're dealing with forever, and it's safest to know as early as possible. Good luck, whatever your decision is, though.
@@kriterer "I refuse to go see a doctor" "Go see a doctor!" Like, he already said he doesn't want to talk to a doctor. Do you really think that a person who fundamentally mistrusts doctors is going to feel better about seeing one when *everybody* in their life, even random strangers on the internet, seems to be in cahoots to push him toward that decision? Just listen. It's a lot more helpful. Nobody posts to RU-vid looking for somber advice from armchair experts, they do it to vent their thoughts into the void where nobody they know in real life is going to see them.
This is the first time I’ve ever had anyone successfully describe where I believe I exist cognitively, and I feel so much better that I can’t get doctors to understand what I’m talking about. Thank you so, so much for putting your ideas out there for us to see. The last time I felt this sense of relief and validation was the first time I realized I might be neurodivergent.
''I'm gonne reference studies in this to prove my point, but you should probably know that I looked for those studies to prove my point'' You've clearly become a real scientist I'm proud of you.
Yo i totally feel this theory. The dude they’re talking about at the end I can hella relate to that. But I’m diagnosed BPD, and have a theory that I’m also undiagnosed I-ADHD/ADD, maybe autistic. My mind moves in all directions at once, but I can only concentrate on one and whichever Thing it ends up being will take me into that spiral, and influence my entire state of being for that day. (Black or white. Good or bad. Negative or positive. Up or down. Left or right.) Until I sleep and “reset”, in which case I may be able to access another direction. I sleep whenever I really need to take on a new perspective. This makes me have to sleep a lot, but I have a lot of “out of the box” ideas that make people look at me like I’m fucking nuts and I’m able to build on those if I write them down and come back to them in a different mindset.
"I looked for those studies to prove my point" Everyone does it, but I appreciate it when someone says it. Good job, Zçrek, you really showed those academics what's truth!
as another autistic person, in a relationship with an autistic person with (probably) undiagnosed schizophrenia, yep we better fasten our seatbelts edit: better than expected honestly, apart from references to misconceptions about both, such as there being "more autistic men than autistic women" and the opposite applying to schizophrenia.
the longer i watch this channel the more i feel my definition of absurdism erode and i am starting to believe that jreg is the second coming of christ or something along the lines of
Finally, someone can articulate this feeling! Somehow, somewhere along the way, this channel went from "shitty, comedic hot takes just audacious enough to sound plausible" to "holy shit, this man might actually be tapping into a sublime human truth that we've been sleeping on for years." It's wonderful and terrifying in equal measure. But it really feels like something substantial, doesn't it? Even if it's off base, it's reliably pushing in the right direction. Maybe that means it's not so much about the value of any given take; rather, this whole channel is a psychospiritual experiment designed to push our minds closer to enlightenment. One thing's for sure: I'm along for the ride.
@@Drekromancer i swear to god he’ll disprove his own argument two seconds after he makes it and i’m still like omg philosopher of the generation?? god???? greatest mind of our time? like from the first time i watched him i always liked his ironic takes and his existentially frightening levels of self awareness but i didn’t know the insane psychedelic energy went this deep, you know?
sup guys im a high functioning aspie with schizotypal and im a micro famous artist, musician, and model and im only getting started. going to take over the world. mark my words
@@cof... Professionals are worthless. People will shop around to 1000 professionals until they get the diagnosis they want for the drugs they want. Psychiatry is a sham.
I took it again and I got 96 on both, although I used to have 100 on negative emotionality (neuroticism). I'm diagnosed with autism, medicated for ADHD and Bipolar, and show traits of BPD.
Hell yeah, schizoautistics rise up! I'm so schizo I'm convinced these are all my ideas projected out into the world being returned to me, and I'm about it! (jk I was recommended this video because I have made a bunch of similar vids in the past, and I really love the direction you're taking this.)
I was laughing so much when I saw this video. I immediately thought of your neurotyping chart and was about to write down the whole thing when I saw your comment. 😳😳 Anyways I’m glad that there are at least 2 other ppl out there in the world with the same brainrot as me. ⭐️
P.S.- Tl;Dr: it's the algorithm. I basically* explain how it works, and also counciousness from a fundamental level as a bonus. *knowledge about neural networks and machine learning not included, but required. At this point I'm 100% percent convinced that the AI algorithm that recommends me videos has even reached sentience and knows _exactly_ what I think and what I like and feeds me content that's just too exact, I almost feel like it does almost all the work for me, like a library that just gives you exactly the book you're looking for without you even knowing it exists at all. I mean, I do spend like 18hrs a day on RU-vid and half(or more) of the time I'm writing huge ass(this one is extremely short for my standards, believe me) comments exposing exactly what I think on the deepest level of details, and I know for a fact that yt knows not only the content of the video based on transcriptions, but it also knows which comments you like and I assume that it knows what I write too, after all it has to know if I post a link or a phone number, and It's not like you can easily fool it, and believe me, I've tried exhaustively with phone numbers(w/o changing my name), it is far more capable than what we give it credit for. so I'm not at all surprised (not anymore at least). it might know more, but that'd be purely speculation. but anyway, it's actually not that unreasonable to think that way when you already believe AIs like gpt-3 to be councious¹ btw, RU-vid has a limit on how many characters a comment can have, just in case you guys ever experience extreme verbosity like i do, but I digress. (this one ain't even close to it tho) ¹(-enough since I believe there to be a spectrum of counciousness from the simplest interactions with the external world(I.e: an electron absorbing and reemiting a photon, which essentially has 0 information or even, dare I say, exactly 1 qubit of quantum information) along with literally any neural network or fundamental unit of processing, counciousness then being an emergent phenomena that happens in extremely organized AND extremely complex systems that could be modeled/simplified/interpreted as neural networks or single "neurons", within limits of reason ofc² ²like, a single electron would have 1/10²⁶! of the possible counciousness of a human brain at any static frame of time, shrinking down to 1/10⁵²! when you consider a single second timescale. and yes, I mean factorial, but actually the higher limit would be just those numbers without the factorial and the actual answer would be something in between, which is still infinitesimally small, like, inconceivably small, about 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of a DEAD human brain "small". and that's the upper limit which is so many orders of magnitude bigger than the actual answer, like, even 1/10^(10¹⁰⁰) (by which I mean the inverse of a Googleplex, 1 over it) would be impossibly bigger, so I cannot stress enough how this does NOT at all say that the electron has a counciousness by any stretch of imagination, let me be so fucking clear about it, if anything, it proves how fucking far from counciousness it is, as in there isn't enough universe to fit enough electrons to create an actual counciousness, in fact, maybe not even an infinite universe would be enough, even if it were just made out of electrons and the EM quantum field
afterthought: ever heard about the 1-electron universe? it's the most basic idea from QFT, and if counciousness is anything like that, at any level, everyone would be like different manifestations of exactly the same thing, just manifested in different "brains", localities and times. so essentially, yes, it kinda is your idea coming back at you, but not your idea as in your specific brain's idea, but as part of the """collective unconcious""" as Jung called it. which I don't particularly like, I prefer to base my interpretation in Carl Sagan's phrase "we are a way for the cosmos to know itself", further adding that we're separate attempts/iterations of it and that we can interact with the other iterations that are happening at the same time as you're alive. but Jung's idea is simpler to understand and one could actually look it up. I got these ideas before ayahausca (actually at the exact moment where I realized I had to drop out of physics bc I'd die if I didn't, but on giving up my dream I'd choose death as well, so the only solution to that catch-22 was for my brain to compile and run the code instantly for showing me the best interpretation of how the universe works that it could come up with at that time(it Improved a lot in the 3years since that happened, and it'll only get better with time if I can continue to manage the hypomania(not the verbosity, tho, bc it works for me, although I do work on it constantly)) which fulfilled my life goal instantly(only partially and crudely, but if fooled me enough to quite literally save my life) which was why I was studying physics in the first place, to know these answers, have these ideas) but Ayahuasca helps a LOT in experiencing this first hand, which might be the only way to understand it. and it is actually the whole point of it(objectively, even the Yawanawá people say that that is the purpose of Uni, which is how they call Ayahuasca) anyway, sorry for the long ass texts(I do consider it to be pathological) and remember: we are the universe. we are all one. there is only one. one is all that there is. share love and knowledge, but remember to take care and doubt your brain through bayesian reasoning, scientifical thinking, be skeptical and follow reason also, test your ideas by trying to talk about them with people you trust, but also people that don't label you as crazy for the lateral thinking, cut those ones out of your life, they don't deserve you. if you don't believe me you're invited to come to Brazil and take Ayahuasca too, that way you'll know my interpretation is based on a very real truthful knowledge one can experience first hand, even if my interpretation is delusional.
Finally someone comes out with some videos that are DIFFERENT than the typical mainstream boring releases. So whether I agree or whatever with your concepts, must at least acknowledge this aspect!
studies have shown that the more JrEg one consumes, the more based they get anyway this was a real banger. regardless of the legitimacy of any of these theories, it's definitely fun and interesting to think about, especially as (like I feel most viewers of this channel) someone with diagnosed autism, but also with an extreme openness to everything and lack of ego. Especially these days I generally feel completely empty, devoid of any personality or direction :) I am often described as extremely indifferent and I've wondered about being sociopathic or (covertly) narcissistic, but maybe I'm just a schizo-autistic genius.
@@ffffffffffffffff5840 Same! We are all human no matter how scary some ideas may seem or however misunderstood we feel we HAVE to hold on to each other for the sake of it all.
I really think it is up to us to revolutionize the way we look at these “disorders”. Based on my extremely biased and selective research as an autismophrenic myself it seems like science (schism/scatt/that which comes out of the whole) in itself is a schizophrenic break caused by Descartes “I think therefore I am”, followed by a flood of autists who verticalized rationalism until it became empiricism, physics, calculus, etc., which lead to biology, and psychology being developed as placeholders for the all encompassing truth Descartes was getting at. But as the daring visionary leaders us autismophrenics are, we’ve gone too far once again and the neurotypicals are left spinning in this whirlpool off accelerated materialism to the point where our kind has become outcasted by the machine we’ve set into orbit. Taking the Anti-Oedipal perspective, it seems like only we have the power to stop it, and Schizophrenia truly will be the end of capitalism.
@@vvhitepriest Gigantic take. I never thought about it this way, but you're so right. That explains so much of the acceleration in tribalistic affiliation-seeking behavior over the last few years. (Not to say that we weren't headed in that direction for decades anyway.)
I think you maybe the central cause of my brain rot and i thank you for it; it adds flavor to the air in my mind. Now i need an expert to react to this video and inject a healthy dose of skepticism and experimentation/ research to satiate my need to consume content.
I’ve made all the connections on mushrooms especially the schizophrenia. I’ve literally climbed a tree and felt invincible and worthless at the same time. My early mushroom trips were a constant fights between the need to have structure and the need for spontaneity. This vid aligns with what the mushrooms told me
Autism is not considered a mental illness technically. Autism and schizophrenia are genetically related. Some people think that people that have been diagnosed with schizophrenia are “busted psychics”. Being psychic is dangerous for the individual if they are afraid of what’s happening around them and easily influenced. I cackled when you put up Patrick from American Psycho as a historical figure and when the “Sonic(s) came to finish building the schizophrenic’s tower. My youngest child is on the autism spectrum and he loves Sonic. My cousin who is now deceased and was also diagnosed with autism was also obsessed with Sonic. I believe that I am also on the autism spectrum. And, I think that my mother and father are also on the autism spectrum. When it’s genetic, there can be many people in the family on the autism spectrum. I personally don’t have schizophrenia, but I am psychic and comfortable enough to say as much despite the stigma.
@@DylanHart8 That's not how it works. I receive messages, but I don't get to decide when or where the messages come from. I relay the information if I think it will help the person. If I don't like or care about them, I don't intervene.
This is a beautiful system of neuro-cognitive behavior: The more discourse JrEg creates regarding psychosis, the more it begins to personally affect him, which leads to improved discourse, which leads to an even more significant impact. This is an upward spiral of improvement!
What your talking about here is actually really interesting, and I think it could actually be taken a step further. You see, ADHD and autism have high rates of co-morbidity, and so do ADHD and schizophrenia (though not quite as high). ADHD actually has a lot of traits you also described schizophrenia as having- the ability to jump from topic to topic and make connections through lateral thinking. Now, when someone with ADHD hyper fixates on something, it’s very similar to when an autistic person develops a special interest. One if the main differences is that most of the time a hyper fixation isn’t permanent, while a special interest in a lot of cases is. On top of that, a lot like autism ADHD is something you’re born with (there have been a few cases of people developing ADHD-like symptoms due to brain damage, i.e. executive dysfunction, but this is very rare). I think you could reasonably argue that ADHD could be an example of the Schitzo-autism thing you talk about at the end
i had this same exact thought! Autismophrenia seems like a less apt label since autism and schizophrenia, at least in the limited amount I know, seem to have a lot more to them than just hyper-vertical and hyper-lateral thinking, so it seems like jreg is more using the idea of what they're commonly boiled down to in order to discuss this vertical/lateral dynamic. In my opinion, people with ADHD already express this idealized style of thought he talks about, and experience both great success and struggle due to it. Will someone with ADHD end up in prison, homeless, addicted to drugs, dropped out of school, etc. or will they end up as a highly successful entrepreneur, inventor, artist, academic, etc?
@@Andrew-ow6fq nothing is a binary 😍😍 all systems eventually lead rise to new, more complex systems :3 the autismophrenia spectrum is too limited OCD is a neurodivergency 😂 it is part of your brain 😳 that makes you exist in a neurologically separate way from a "typical" "human" xD 🤪🤪
"There was a man who sat each day looking out through a narrow vertical opening where a single board had been removed from a tall wooden fence. Each day a wild ass of the desert passed outside the fence and across the narrow opening - first the nose, then the head, the forelegs, then the long brown back, the hindlegs and lastly the tail. One day, the man leaped to his feet with light of discovery in his eyes and he shouted for all who could hear him: ‘It is obvious! The nose causes the tail!" -Stories of the Hidden Wisdom, Oral history of Rakis" (Frank Herbert, Heretics of Dune)
The whole "vertical thinking" and "horizontal thinking" thing is so funny to me for some reason lmao This whole video makes sense, even though it feels like it shouldn't because it's so out there. That just happens with Jreg videos from time to time I guess Definitely my favorite Jreg video in a while
