Automatic Dust Collection System Using Arduino and 3d Printed Ball Valve Blast Gates

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00:00 Intro
1:37 Shop Tour
19:05 Blast Gates
26:55 General Dust Collection Stuff
37:24 Logic/Hardware
49:23 Control Box
55:58 Automatic Dust Collection Action
Original Blast Gate Files: www.thingiverse.com/thing:470...
Servo Mounted Blast Gates: If this link doesn't work, email the address listed right below and I'll send you the files. I'm just 1 dude, I won't be spamming your email or adding your address to a list or anything, I'll just send the files.
www.printables.com/model/3103...
Brumberjackwoodworks@gmail.com
Servo Motors that I used: www.amazon.com/FEETECH-Voltag...
My Arduino Code: github.com/BrumberjackWoodwor...
Updated the code on 16 NOV 2022 to fix floating pin issue
Instagram: brumberjack_woodworks
Tik Tok: the_brumberjack
I didn't mention this in the video because I just saw this, but this link is for a Y splitter valve, that if I had rigged a servo motor to, I could have gotten away with half as many gates or hooked it up to more machines. You would need a servo motor capable of 360 degrees of rotation though:
www.printables.com/model/2888...
Other RU-vid Channels I mentioned:
‪@EngineeringWorkshop_hvw‬
‪@LRN2DIY‬
‪@UnderDunnOfficial‬
‪@StumpyNubs‬
‪@Iliketomakestuff‬
‪@Lincolnstww‬

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Комментарии : 97

@kailuasurfing Год назад

Saw your post on Reddit and jumped over here. Enjoy seeing your logical thought process and how you came up with multiple solutions in your shop. Keep making, keep sharing! We are all better for it!

@ScottWalshWoodworking Год назад

great job! That turned out very well. I like your blast gates a lot.

@brummet_guitars Год назад

Thank you so much, your video, and the one from, I Like to Make Stuff, are what inspired this project

@chrisflanagan5273 Год назад

Fantastic work.... really concise!

@EngineeringWorkshop_hvw Год назад

Hey! I just wanted to say that I love your edition of the miter saw station - it looks fantastic. I really like the detail you put into front trim and the small drawer fronts. I totally get the small clearance height above the saw - I still hit my hand on the top piece from time to time. I would make that taller as well if I was going to do it again. Anyways, I just wanted to drop a compliment on the builds I’m glad you enjoy the channel!

@brummet_guitars Год назад

Thank you so much

@Polemistis93 Год назад

Just bought a 3d printer because of you. Thanks for inspiring me to get into this creative space to compliment my woodworking!

@brummet_guitars Год назад

Check out the subreddit r/3dprintsintheshop for a bunch of inspiration. People will also share their files on there pretty often.

@Polemistis93 Год назад

@@brummet_guitars Awesome, I'll check it out, thanks!

@andrewbrown8148 Год назад

Great project~! This is exactly the kind of automation I'm wanting to put into my workshop. I would be VERY interested in a video with all of the geek details about the Arduino and other specs. I've been an electronic tech longer than I've been a woodworker and am just recently getting into the Raspberry Pi & Arduino scene. Thanks much~!

@brummet_guitars Год назад

I have a link to my code that I tried to comment out pretty good. But if you have any questions you can reach out to the email in the description

@ClintonCaraway-CNC Год назад

This is a F_-_ING AMAZING IDEA!! Thanks for sharing!!

@brummet_guitars Год назад

Thank you so much

@Monkey_Snot Год назад

The myth regarding static when using PVC is just that, a myth lol. PVC is an insulator (non conductive), when you add copper wire and screws to a PVC system, you're now giving that static charge a path to the outside of your system, metal pipe systems do need to be ground for obvious reasons, but the only grounding needed is at your collector, which almost all are grounded to your outlet. The static you may get is because your shop is too dry and with dust movement amplifies it on the outside of your pipe, but there is no static in or on the dust within your pipe, so don't waste time installing grounds.

@RossWilliamsDC 5 месяцев назад

Thanks, great video. I am in the dust collection planning stage. Strongly considering the Harvey G-700. I also own an Inca 570 that I use as a dedicated jointer. Love that machine. cheers

@brummet_guitars 5 месяцев назад

I'm a big fan of my Inca jointer

@HonestBrothers Год назад

I have an automated fan build on my channel you might like! Thanks for the build tutorial, I'll have to add this to my bucket list!

@csimet Год назад

That is a well thought out and designed shop. I really like how you set up the long bench with the miter saw, router and jointer. I wish I had that much clear open space, but made do with my 400 sq. ft. L-shaped shop in the basement with a couple lally columns in the middle. ;) For the table saw... do what I did with my vintage 1969 Craftsman 113... box in the backside under the table so the motor can swing inside as needed and just put a dust port at the bottom to gain airflow to keep it cool (and gather dust). Add a simple door for occasional access to clean out what the extractor can't handle.

@brummet_guitars Год назад

Thank you. I currently ha e a very janky version of that under the tables saw

@csimet Год назад

@@brummet_guitars If it works and keeps the dust down, then success! That was my biggest issue.

@onepoket 6 месяцев назад

I like the ball valves. You can use a smoke pen to test if it is sucking in air from the seams. Same thing they use when you do a blower door test to find leakage in your house.

@dpvbischoff 5 месяцев назад

I like the ball valve idea because of the simple rotating servo action, instead of levers, linear actuators, etc. But the size of the components must take the printer 1 or 2 days to print the parts for one unit. Thank you for sharing this.

@brummet_guitars 5 месяцев назад

50 hours total for 1 gate

@ehRalph Год назад

I have a similar craftsman RA saw that does a lot of cross cutting and dados. I made a trombone like slide dust pipe with a short flexible end from an old retired portable vacuum cleaner to the saw dust hood. The sliding part is 2” OD nutone in-house home vac pvc. The nutone 2” pvc is waxed up and slides frictionless inside 2” schedule 40 plumbing pvc. A big O-ring on the outer end of the sliding part works as an end stop to keep the dust collector from pulling the inside pipe all the way back to blocking the tee for the lower pickup.

@garethevans9789 Месяц назад

Unless your equipment is faulty (not grounded), you shouldn't have a problem. Let me clarify, the only grounding issue is YOU (clothes rubbing while using hand tools building a static charge). Grounded metal bars on the front edge of work benches will stop you getting shocks (rounded eges on desks are underrated, you'll never go back after trying them). ~30 degree slope and rounded edge = perfection!👌 Oh, another plus to metal edges on desks/ workbenches is that it will protect/ hide the edges of plywood & OSD. Not to mention using them as a solid/ reference edge on workbenches, I don't understand why more people don't do it.

@brummet_guitars Месяц назад

The pipes built up enough static electricity to give ya a bit of a shock before I put the wire on them. Not a painful amount bust still a shock

@VaughnCampbell 11 месяцев назад

Dude you have thought of everything!

@brummet_guitars 11 месяцев назад

Thank you so much

@VaughnCampbell 9 месяцев назад

I look forward to a follow up video. I am using these ball bearings but on 6" pipe. I was able to scale them up perfectly and get them to work with my 6 inch ducting.@@brummet_guitars

@mrgcav 4 месяца назад

TO test your Seams for leakage Block one end an apply fill suction on the other end, Open and close the valve. Spray 5% Soapy water, Dish soap and check for bubbles. Next Test: Put a short hose, same diameter on one end and apply suction on the other end. Valve closed. Put the hose completely submerged in water for 1 minute. Stop Disconnect suction . and see of you have water on the suction side.

@anandsubramanian9020 Месяц назад

First off this so cool and thank you so much for sharing. I am going to replicate it but I have to make a few edits to the valve. Do you mind sharing your edited version onshape file ? Assuming it’s onshape as Peter had shared his onshape. Keep up the innovation brother

@brummet_guitars Месяц назад

They are available in the description

@studiogerk Год назад

I'll be curious how well it stands up over time with those printed blast gates. I printed a bunch of a similar type and after about 6 months I'm running into more and more issues with them. They have gotten really stiff and I've had quite a few fail now. I'm thinking about automating a system as well but I'm leaning towards the metal style blast gates and maybe printing some actuators.

@Monkey_Snot Год назад

You can buy flex pipe that is smooth on the inside, just an FYI. it is a bit more money per foot, but worth it.

@k1sfd1974 Год назад

Soapy water usually works great for testing air leaks. It blows nice bubbles 😂

@ChrispHarding Год назад

To test airflow leakage, maybe try smoke around a closed gate, and a clear pipe on the suction end?

@brummet_guitars Год назад

That's a great idea, I'll look into it

@martyjosephson4937 Год назад

Nice Video, can you explain your wiring for the valves a little clearer? thanks

@Dolcerae Год назад

If your concern about dust collecting behind the red ball valve just print the dust inlet side to a gradual cone radius the tapers into the red ball valve. It would force the dust through the red ball instead of potentially around the backside of it and no a 1/2-1 radius taper will not create so too much restriction or pressure drop. Your just creating a lower pressure area around the red ball valve and a higher pressure area directing the dust through the valve instead of how its designed which is doing the opposite. The idea is based on Bernoulli’s equations, really if you printed 1 half of the white in a tapered inlet side and tried it would you really be out much and you could measure pressure/flow between the 2 versions along with say a month or 2 of use tear down to compare the dust between the 2 halves.

@chriscampise4724 Год назад

Nice work! Would love to know what 3d printer you used for this project?

@jestonbrummet7026 Год назад

This is my other account, but I used the Flash Forge Creator Pro 2. I had bought it specifically for this project. I thought I checked the print bed size, and thought it was large enough to do 2 housings at the same time to cut the time in half but unfortunately it was not. I was super impressed with how well it printed right out of the box though. I had a buddy help with printing some of these as well on an ender

@sbvictory Год назад

Thanks for sharing. Does your code check to see that at least one blast gate is open at all times and/or does it leave the blast gate or combination of gates open from the last button press ? I was thinking I'd like to avoid turning on a 5hp dust collector with no gate(s) open. Thanks for the video!

@brummet_guitars Год назад

Yes, the way that I did it does ensure that at least one path is always open

@joelevstik4670 6 месяцев назад

Love this project and I'm working on remixing your design to also have 6" gates. What power supplies did you go with?

@brummet_guitars 6 месяцев назад

DROK 48V Power Supply, AC 110V/220V to DC 0-48V 10A 480W Buck Converter, Adjustable Variable LED Adapter Regulated 5V 12V 24V 30V 36V 48V Volt Voltage Transformer 10A Amp Charger for Lab CCTV

@novamaggart3251 8 месяцев назад

Would you be able to provide a parts list for the items used in your design (Arduino, servo hat, switching power supply, terminal block, etc)? I reached out to your email in the description but no reply.

@brummet_guitars Год назад

I have been having issues with "floating pins" on the arduino board which causes an input pin to randomly read a signal and open the gates to a machine I'm not using at the time. I'm going to look into adding external resistors, as opposed to the ones that are already in the arduino board, and see if that fixes the issue.

@Tensquaremetreworkshop 5 месяцев назад

Logic level wiring in a (n electrically) noisy 'shop is unwise. Better to fit a higher voltage large hysteresis at the front end. caps to ground and a lower impedance pull-up can help, but is not so robust.

@brummet_guitars 5 месяцев назад

@@Tensquaremetreworkshop I believe I am going to try a metal control box and also ground the control box, similar to a control cavity of a guitar.

@Tensquaremetreworkshop 5 месяцев назад

@@brummet_guitars That is important, but not sufficient. There are several things that can help- reduce the impedance (lower value pull-up), capacitors (~1nF) at both ends, change switch sense (normally closed), inductors (ferrite) around the leads, etc. Real solution is at add a high hysteresis, low impedance, delayed action (few milliseconds) stage on the input. You can, of course, add both hysteresis and delay/sampling in software (e.g. sample the input, and only if the last ten samples say 'on' do you operate). In your use case, where only one button should be 'on', I would definitely change to normally closed buttons. Not a guaranteed fix ( it is an electrically noisy environment) but should be an improvement.

@miker6492 5 месяцев назад

Hey again! I printed out your gate and it came out beautifully. One issue I'm having is that I am using 4" DWV Pvc pipe and the gate diameter is too small to go over the 4" DVW? I see in the background you are using the same pipe no?

@brummet_guitars 5 месяцев назад

I'm using thin walled. I believe it is schedule 30. The gate goes inside of the pipe and then at Y joints, I cut short pieces of the pipe to be bushings

@miker6492 5 месяцев назад

@@brummet_guitars mine is thin walled also, different manufacturer I guess. I'll have to learn how to adjust it with fusion 360 lol

@tylerjones7204 Год назад

Nice video!!! thanks for all the details. I have the Harvey gyro also, love it. I ran a 6” pvc trunk and branched off with 4. Could you post the links to the files for the various adapters and reducers, I know I can search thingiverse but it’s nice to know which ones fit pvc/hoses/machines in real life without wasting time printing. Also, someone commented on the flow test video that their printed valves are wearing out, so give us an update when you can. Curious if a different material would be better, nylon maybe….

@brummet_guitars Год назад

Unfortunately I can only have 10 files at a time with the free version of Fusion 360, I deleted my flange pieces and stuff like that because they're fairly quick to model again if I need too. My gates seem to be working just fine but I haven't been using them that long

@kmbrady1a 7 месяцев назад

@@brummet_guitars Actually the F360 personal edition is limited to 10 editable files at a time. You can change a file to read-only (or back to editable) at any time. This is a great product, thanks for creating it and sharing

@davehahn23 7 дней назад

This is a great video. One question. It seems like overkill to have so many gates. One at each tool should suffice. It means the code would hvae to make sure to close multiple gates when opening the one you want, but now there are probably 7 or 8 additional gates installed

@brummet_guitars 7 дней назад

Thank you so much. If I only had 1 gate right at each machine, there would be a lot of extra pipe, essentially 2 branches of pipe open so I believe I would either lose a lot of suction, or at the very least, the dust being sucked would fall down into the other pipe that is not being used at that time would could lead to a clog in the system which are not fun to fix. This is the way every other dust collection system I've seen is set up. I don't have my planer hooked up to this system anymore, it is just too many and too large of chips and almost always leads to a clog.

@HamishScottWilson 5 месяцев назад

Looking to replicate this project and question I have is which pins on the arduino board are you using for buttons. Do you not have more buttons than there are digital pins?

@brummet_guitars 5 месяцев назад

I think that I say ot in the video when I'm at the control box but maybe I didn't. I'm pretty sure it's the input pins and I still have some left over, but I will check when I get a minute, driving right now

@haydenyoung88 Год назад

Have you had any problem with the ball valves seizing up? I have made some gates like these (Probably from the same set of original files) about 1 year ago and a few of them are starting to seiz up. When I made them I added a lever so I can manually help it but I am wondering if my servo motor is less powered. Dust gets inside and jams it a little. I am wondering if you have had the same problem? If not I'll look to upgrade my servos. Thanks in advance!

@brummet_guitars Год назад

I have not had that issue yet but I did make my ball valves 1.5% or 2% smaller than the original files because they were too tight

@haydenyoung88 Год назад

@@brummet_guitars good idea. Maybe I'll try that first

@brummet_guitars Год назад

I figured even if it's not perfectly sealed without suction, once you have suction it would seal up pretty good. May not be perfect but I'm satisfied with the air flow I have in my system at the moment

@anandsubramanian9020 Месяц назад

Nevermind i see you have the step files shared

@miker6492 5 месяцев назад

Can I ask what filament you used for these? I'm kinda new to 3D printing... Thanks!

@brummet_guitars 5 месяцев назад

They are PLA

@miker6492 5 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@givemeanaccountdamit 5 месяцев назад

One year later, how has reliability gone for 3D printed parts under servo control? I have been considering a similar set up, but have always been a little sceptical about how reliable the printed components would be...

@brummet_guitars 3 месяца назад

I have yet to have any issues with how well the 3d printed components hold up, except for one area that I've had to take apart a few times due to a jam, and I ended up busting one because I had a back up piece to replace it with

@mitchfaatz День назад

Do you have a follow up showing your control panel front with the switches? Did it turn out like you had hoped?

@brummet_guitars День назад

Towards the end of the video I show the control panel and right at the end of the video I show the whole thing working with buttons

@mitchfaatz День назад

@@brummet_guitars Ah, I don't know how I missed that at the very very end. I though you were going to put all the buttons on the control panel lid (so that's what I was looking for) but having them at each station makes more sense!

@fin3125 Год назад

Have you thought of using o rings? I used to design valves and we would use o rings depending on the chemicals. Put on the vacuum side only. This may be too hard on the motor.

@Tensquaremetreworkshop 5 месяцев назад

Sliding plates are smaller, lighter, cheaper (less plastic) and give less leakage.

@eladsinay6914 Год назад

So correct me if I’m wrong but assuming each one needs it’s own arduino, the plastic, servo motor at 35kg we’re looking at a estimated cost per each of about $80?? I’m not all the way thru the video so I don’t know if you can use one arduino for all 16 but if so then cost will be about $56 each

@eladsinay6914 Год назад

Also forgot about the power source so it’ll be more expensive than my original estimation

@brummet_guitars Год назад

1 Arduino board for the whole thing. It's about $50 a gate.

@eladsinay6914 Год назад

@@brummet_guitars I was close lol. very cool video btw and well thought out. great work

@chrismolloy131 4 месяца назад

Could make eireless using esp8266 and espnow

@iq0099 3 месяца назад

fold up and use a hydraulic gas struts

@Tensquaremetreworkshop 5 месяцев назад

Arduino and servo- a bit overkill for a blast gate. I did it with cheap geared motors and a couple of transistors (hall effect sensors for state). 2 wire connections (reversing polarity reverses sense). Zero consumption in either open or close position. All operated by power sensing (no buttons or switches). Relying on pulse length control over distance in an (electrically) noisy 'shop is not recommended. I am guessing that you are not a programmer- nested if statements are a bit clumsy for this.

@markh2369 3 месяца назад

Why are if’s clumsy here? How are you powering your geared motors?

@Tensquaremetreworkshop 3 месяца назад

@@markh2369 Clumsy because there are masses of functions doing, essentially, the same job. How would I do it? Probably with a single CurrButtonState variable (map of all buttons), which would be bitwise compared with NewButtonState to detect changes. Single function for open (and close) with the valve reference passed with the call. Adding new valves would require no code, just incrementing the VALVECOUNT constant, and inserting the new valve address into the valve address array. Startup? I would call ValveClose(ALL_VALVES) which would recursively call itself with each valve in turn. My valve motors are geared 12v units. I have a shop 12v supply (used for various devices around the shop). Reversing the supply to a valve causes it to move to the opposite state, until the hall effect probe detects end of travel and cuts the supply to the motor. Result is a two wire system (it cannot get simpler) with no noise or distance issues.

@bobkennedy4824 Год назад

This is really fantastic and I have also purchased a 3D printer for this and other projects. I have downloaded the files and imported all of them into Prusa slicer. The Rotator.step will not import. I have downloaded all files and unzipped, I have downloaded rotator.step to no avail. Do you happen to have a copy Rotator.step of this that will import?

@brummet_guitars Год назад

I'm sorry to hear that. The rotator is the same as the original blast gates. Have you tried downloading it from that link. If that doesn't work please let me know. Also, if anybody else has had this issue please let me know so I can try to fix it

@bobkennedy4824 Год назад

@@brummet_guitars If that was based on the 100mm_ball, then yes and it downloads correctly.

@bobkennedy4824 Год назад

What filament material did you use?

@brummet_guitars Год назад

@@bobkennedy4824 just normal PLA

@fbujold Год назад

the cult link is broken

@brummet_guitars Год назад

I'm tracking, I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with it but in the mean time you can shoot an email to my email provided in the description and I'll reply back with the files.

@8BitLife69 Год назад

10% jam rate? No. That's not normal. I have a 0.001% jam rate, over about 15 years of printing.

@brummet_guitars Год назад

What printers do you typically use/ how long are your prints? The housings were a little over 15hr prints and the rotators were between 20-22hrs if I'm remembering correctly.

@8BitLife69 Год назад

@@brummet_guitars Now I run Vorons. Jams are due to user error in the slicer. Poor retract settings, speeds, z offsets etc. I've never experienced a nozzle jam since the E3DV6 hotends came out, and before that, the only jam I recall was on an old jhead back in the mendel days, that was due to my inexperience, as NOONE had any idea about 3d printers yet. LOL

@hswing11 Год назад

Three pieces of plywood and ABS to make a slide gate simple. 3D printer bull shit

@brummet_guitars Год назад

If you watched the video I actually mentioned an issue with those gates that I didn't want to deal with; however, you're more than welcome to make blast gates however you'd like

@Tensquaremetreworkshop 5 месяцев назад

Flat plate blast gates are at least as good- but can also be printed. Printed ones tend to be smaller and neater.