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Avengers Endgame & The ThanosRat Dilemma 

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Previously, we talked about Avengers Endgame feeling like the best Marvel MCU movie ever made due to its incredible ending act. But as was mentioned in that video, it also has a big problem. A ThanosRat problem. Today, let's find out what that means and what central narrative issues it creates.
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Avengers: Endgame (2019)
After the events of Infinity War leaves half of the universe in ruins, the remaining Avengers must work together to recruit old and new allies, and muster all of their remaining strength and resources to defeat the mad titan Thanos and bring their friends back from the brink of oblivion. Directed by Anthony and Avengers Endgame honest trailer everything wrong with avengers endgame watch full movie online free avengers endgame ending reaction audience endgame battle scene fight scenes thanos film theory avengers endgame 4k clip hd Joe Russo and stars an ensemble cast that includes Robert Downey Jr., Chris Hemsworth, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Evans and major stars from previous Marvel films.
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Avengers: Infinity War (2018)
Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.), Spider Man (Tom Holland), Thor (Chris Hemsworth) and all the other Avengers unite to assemble their power in order to fight the necessary battle against their biggest collective enemy, Thanos (Josh Brolin), before he can wreak his havoc across the entire world. Scarlett Johansson, Benedict Cumberbatch, Vin Diesel, Chris Evans, Karen Gillan, Zoe Saldana, and Dave Bautista also star. Directed by Anthony Russo and Joe Russo.
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@Filmento
@Filmento 5 лет назад
To anyone who had to see that thumbnail... I am sorry. It took on a life of its own.
@colossusslayer1234
@colossusslayer1234 5 лет назад
my poor eyes. What have you DONE Filmento!
@JinzoTK
@JinzoTK 5 лет назад
Damn, Thonos looks "amazing"
@CrypticlyEncrypted
@CrypticlyEncrypted 5 лет назад
CURSED
@Original-Phantom
@Original-Phantom 5 лет назад
I don't understand why they didn't use Adam warlock They couldve use him as a villian
@Chris-ph9hi
@Chris-ph9hi 5 лет назад
The plan of "THONOS" actually makes sense if you really think about it. Thanos was under the belief that he alone was needed to correct the universe, that he was the only one with the will to do it and he was under the assumption that doing the same thing for everyone would lead to his ideal outcome. Thanos is basically the personification of authoritarianism and like most authoritarians throughout history once "Thonos" sees that there are people who his plan did not work for his conclusion is not that his plan was flawed it was the people what were flawed and needed to be fixed. Rather than coming to the conclusion that he was wrong he now feels that he needs more violence to beat everyone into submission and act how he wants them to. From that perspective the plan of Thonos does work, he is simply doing what he sees as the next logical step after his first plan failed. The mistake of Thanos and Thonos is having a one size fits all plan for a universe of individuals rather than taking a step back and thinking if it is the right thing to do.
@psychomagalor4902
@psychomagalor4902 5 лет назад
“This Thanos just sits back and lets other people do the work” Remember how it took until 2015 for him to say “Fine, I’ll do it myself”?
@TalkingTurtle97
@TalkingTurtle97 5 лет назад
Exactly, lets not forget that this version of thanos really liked sitting in chairs all the time
@mocd1000
@mocd1000 5 лет назад
Yea thats the problem
@xavierlamar2453
@xavierlamar2453 5 лет назад
You have to credit the MCU for unintentional continuity.
@armzngunz
@armzngunz 5 лет назад
I dont think this is a case of poor continuity. It probably was in Thanos' character to let his minions do more of the work, until he started aquiring the stones, by that point, he became more involved in the process directly.
@flashgamer1275
@flashgamer1275 5 лет назад
Thanos had to wait until 2018 to retrieve the stones because he couldn't go after them until they were all in plain sight, and with the events of Ragnarok and the destruction of Asgard and Odin, it was time.
@Ben-kz2km
@Ben-kz2km 3 года назад
So Dr. Strange saw that one rat and was like "THIS IS THE ONE FUTURE!"
@edenseverin8361
@edenseverin8361 3 года назад
Yup I guess it was the only option, the fate of the world rested on a rat.
@dominocze8658
@dominocze8658 3 года назад
I recommend watching "The Rat That Beat Thanos!" from Film Theory, it can make you scratch your head for some time.
@mop2254
@mop2254 3 года назад
Even a rat can make a difference. You don't have to be gods.
@thatnike2604
@thatnike2604 3 года назад
The Butterfly Effect I guess
@slevinchannel7589
@slevinchannel7589 3 года назад
Yeah, ok, but Thanos with an ‚A’ is also a Dum-Dum? People analysed his Original Plan with the ‚Snap’ and realized: Oh, what a Dum-Dum.
@kolegakolegi
@kolegakolegi 3 года назад
the beginning of the endgame is excellent. It is slow. it is empty. This is the best way to show the emptiness that must have felt people living after the snap. It helps us, as viewers connects with the heroes that have survived the snap
@steezyonyoutube9896
@steezyonyoutube9896 3 года назад
Yeah but imagine if they just went and fought him full power with the stones for 3 hours
@steezyonyoutube9896
@steezyonyoutube9896 3 года назад
Nobody was tryna watch them be sad and cry and shit. This is why infinity war was better. Straight action. Beginning to end
@YoureRightIThink
@YoureRightIThink 3 года назад
I feel you but they really took to long for that, instead they could've summarized a bit more. And still, adding a villain or threat to make them move up wouldn't necessarily take out the part were you see the sad consequences. They also didn't need to add all that time traveling practice and funny part.
@ayylmao8375
@ayylmao8375 3 года назад
That lost all effect when they started actually working. When the heroes are working, the villain needs to be working.
@darknessincarnate138
@darknessincarnate138 3 года назад
@@steezyonyoutube9896 That would be stupid
@aufowithwificoverage3328
@aufowithwificoverage3328 5 лет назад
Thanos:"I finally erased half living things in the universe out of existence" Rat:"I'm about to end this purple man's dream"
@Kraven83
@Kraven83 5 лет назад
Ultron: Life, life always finds a way
@plaguerat5911
@plaguerat5911 5 лет назад
Its what we do
@jeremylim2421
@jeremylim2421 5 лет назад
OnLy OnE oUt Of 14 MiLlIoN fUtUrEs WhErE wE wIn. and it involves a totally random rat
@timotseries2088
@timotseries2088 5 лет назад
Loki: Surprise
@elmoisacocainaddict557
@elmoisacocainaddict557 5 лет назад
Jeremy Lim well it took 5 years to get the rat to press the button
@nickclark1815
@nickclark1815 5 лет назад
Is it convenient Tony just figures out time travel? Yeah. Is it convenient Nebula just links with her old self? Yeah. Is it convenient that the rat steps on the button? Yeah, very lucky events. The chances must be like, one in a million, or maybe one in fourteen million six hundred and five.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 5 лет назад
Except had Nebula just traveled to the future as soon as her ship was being pulled up by Thanos it could of avoided an entire third act and the Avengers would still win.
@shadow-squid4872
@shadow-squid4872 5 лет назад
Fourteen million six hundred and five*
@mpsuorsa
@mpsuorsa 4 года назад
"Is it convenient that the rat steps on the button?" yes, if it had happened in the same week as the snap, but it took five years
@Hhhh22222-w
@Hhhh22222-w 4 года назад
Too convenient and no pay off
@naggie6358
@naggie6358 4 года назад
@@Hhhh22222-w I mean the pay off of that action was the entire film
@JB_UD
@JB_UD 5 лет назад
People don't understand, imagine what the rat had to lose to get to that point...
@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842
Ratatuille had a very long flight, aye?
@TheDaks27
@TheDaks27 5 лет назад
Yeah people forget that the Rat survived the snap and lived through 5 years of the roughest time in history
@ryannixon4138
@ryannixon4138 5 лет назад
@@TheDaks27 rats in the wild typically live 2 ro 3 years tho
@rexon31
@rexon31 5 лет назад
rats breed quicker and with out man to keep them in check there be a lot of them every where ! so it was higher chance of rat happening. the rat didn't push right buttons! it stepped on the touch pad which was still active.
@jaschabull2365
@jaschabull2365 5 лет назад
@@rexon31 Though wouldn't the rats have less to eat with fewer people to make them food?
@TheNorwog
@TheNorwog 3 года назад
Instead of the Rat accidentally walking on the perfect combination of buttons to release Scott, they should have had Luis come looking for the van, get it out of impound, and he be the one gets it open and releases Scott. They missed a perfect opportunity to let Luis explain to Scott what all had happened in his signature style.
@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214
@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 3 года назад
That is a Genius Idea, how did the Directors didnt thought of that
@iamfriendly6483
@iamfriendly6483 3 года назад
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 cause he got snapped
@iamfriendly6483
@iamfriendly6483 3 года назад
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 and why would you even look for a van after just 5 years later
@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214
@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 3 года назад
@@iamfriendly6483 idk im not a Writer the Writers of the Movie could Come up with a Reason
@Rushking20
@Rushking20 3 года назад
Damn this is genius but why would it take luis 5 years to find it
@holyfreak8
@holyfreak8 4 года назад
Could be random, but I love how Ant Man as the one who carries the story forward. Giving the team the idea of they having a chance
@canvas_125
@canvas_125 4 года назад
holyfreak86 I love the contrast. Ant Man’s movies are more light-hearted and fun. Yet from those movies, it introduced the thing that helped save the universe.
@holyfreak8
@holyfreak8 4 года назад
@@canvas_125 and it surprised me. Everyone tought thar Captain Marvel would be the key player here... and she wasn't! Ant Man was. I think Spider Man will be in the front of the MCU from now on. Those movies don't have other heroe as important as him
@Willowy13
@Willowy13 4 года назад
He is nitpicking. That car was in the yard for 5 years at minimal. As half the people disappeared, people ain't buying cars anyway. The place was filthy and rats were expected to be around. They would be trying to find food and would stumble in the commands for the time travel machine in the car panel.
@anaccount9574
@anaccount9574 3 года назад
@@Willowy13 he is right, endgame is just overrated garbage with lazy writing. A rat saving a superhero? Sounds like a bad fanfiction made by 12 year olds. Bout who cares? Marvel knows that their fanbase are dumb and losers so they will watch anything lol
@airwaters
@airwaters 3 года назад
@@anaccount9574 Oh really? lmao. Okay boss critic. Whatever makes your *ss happy
@abdullahseckin
@abdullahseckin 5 лет назад
9:45 i think thonos is being very clever here. attracting the most powerful avengers to himself to fight while still undercover nebula find the stones. even thor said its a trap. so i don't think he is doing nothing here.
@raphaeldelaghetto85
@raphaeldelaghetto85 5 лет назад
Yep. This guy is way off on this one.
@MicahFitchburgState
@MicahFitchburgState 5 лет назад
good point
@Hhhh22222-w
@Hhhh22222-w 4 года назад
Except it isn't
@gibster9624
@gibster9624 4 года назад
No way you rain down fire on them just to have your undercover person go searching for the gauntlet. Raining fire on them to begin with was extremely stupid as he could have just as easily killed undercover nebula. Also how does nebula just link up to a machine she's never seen before and not only know how to go back to that same time stamp but is also able to pull the entire ship through time after they just get done discussing that the suits are important for time travel. Therefore the Ship can't just jump forward without that red stuff which they explain they are completely out of...
@calvinreynold1702
@calvinreynold1702 4 года назад
But there is no trap
@Pit1993x
@Pit1993x 2 года назад
3:30 I never felt this "slowness" as an issue. To me that felt like it was exactly what they were going for and I appreciated it because it fit the theme of "we lost and don't know where to start to fix it".
@hansuri401
@hansuri401 Год назад
Same
@satnerd7212
@satnerd7212 6 месяцев назад
The issue is not the slowness but the forced narrative and easy retrieval of the stones(except the black widow and hawkye sequence).
@SuperParkourio
@SuperParkourio 5 лет назад
I feel like the slow pacing of the aftermath was deliberate and depressing.
@juanita-dark
@juanita-dark 5 лет назад
SuperParkourio It was. That five years will spawn all kinds of complications, miniscule and expansive. For a start: (1) there will now without a doubt be more focus on cultivating teams of superhumans and all the freak collateral damage that implies. Which will inevitably create conflict, resentment, and paranoia. Further, (2) searching for and reacting to intergalactic threats, i.e. interplanetary potential collateral damage. (3), Fucking with the time continuum. That's not counting the unhinged personalities, personas, and personal vendettas created and harvested by the snap and blipback. Endgame is a deliberate jump off into messiness. There will be people who love the Avengers for bringing people back - and those who'll hate them and every superhuman/hero after. By the time (if) mutants (or inhumans) turn up, you'll understand why the first thing people want is superhuman registration, and sentinels.
@harrisont2004
@harrisont2004 5 лет назад
juanita dark That’s a super interesting prediction for the MCU, and I think it would be an awesome angle for marvel to look at through the films of phase 4 and 5. Given the possibility of a dark avengers movie this would be an awesome lead in for a world that would trust people like Norman Osbourne more than the avengers (obviously they’d have to introduce Norman Osbourne first, but its the perfect time given the vaccuum the death of Tony Stark will have made)
@keyanstoney1742
@keyanstoney1742 5 лет назад
SuperParkourio i think that’s a great way to show Depression in a movie and how they feel like life is just slow
@silverdragon122
@silverdragon122 5 лет назад
@@harrisont2004 You actually got me excited for Norman Osbourne to appear in the MCU. However, Spiderman is only getting 1 more movie and that completes his trilogy. Plus Tom Holland has confirmed he has 1 more movie left in his contract.
@newginslab6993
@newginslab6993 5 лет назад
I don’t find a rat problem in ratatouille
@valthenvega2434
@valthenvega2434 5 лет назад
The inspector at Gusteau’s certainly did 🌚
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 5 лет назад
Lol🤣🤣😂😂👍👍
@defensivekobra3873
@defensivekobra3873 5 лет назад
Why can rats mind controll People in the rattatuie universe?
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 5 лет назад
@@defensivekobra3873 maybe
@thomas0086
@thomas0086 5 лет назад
The rat was master Splinter after spending considerable time educating himself in the Quantum fields.
@johnathancarrillo6990
@johnathancarrillo6990 5 лет назад
Thanos has the same motivation, he changes to destroying the whole universe and starting over because he has already seen that his original plan fails due to the avengers undoing it. By erasing only 50%, there is a chance that those who survive could undo it again, thus he changes his motivation. Also time travel wasnt built in one night, with Tony talking to Scott when they first go to him seems he has already looked into it which was why he dismissed them so quickly with it. He also didnt try 1 equation and get it right, the only equation we see is the right one but there is dialogue you seem to have missed to explain that. Time travel wont really matter moving forward BECAUSE of the way they explained it. Changing the past WILL NOT change the future, they lose a fight, go back in time then win, it doesnt effect the timeline they are from. (Lose in universe 199996 and travel hack to 199995 to redo the fight and win then go back to 199996 that villian and their loss will still be there)
@Nimbus3690
@Nimbus3690 5 лет назад
Thanos changing his mind at the last minute about ideals he had built over decades of his life came off as awful lazy writing. Time travel breakthrough was depicted without any struggle or challenge, which made it another example of lazy awful writing. Just saying that the character has been working on it for 5 years only to suddenly figure it out in the next minute does not let you feel that it was that hard. Shit writing. Time travel physics is the worst shit you could do to your movie after it had been established in a singular and linear timeline without indication of time travel prior.
@Vince-tt1uj
@Vince-tt1uj 5 лет назад
It was not about Avengers undoing the snap. He look at them and saw what they became after the snap, he saw desperation, misery. Look at the Ant-man coming back and whole first act. Survivors are affected years after the snap. Everyone is in mourning because everyone lost somebody. Look what happened with Hawkeye when he lost his family. Thanos acknowledges that half of population having such horrific memories about the snap is unable to move on. So he wants to kill everybody and build his own world in which there would be no knowledge about the snap.
@daydreamer9469
@daydreamer9469 5 лет назад
@Super JLK I think Tony and Steve's search of Pym Particles happened since they're desperate. They weren't really certain about when the Pym Particles exist in the older timeline since none of them exist that time. One wrong guess or failed attempt and resulting Tony and Steve trapped in the past forever and the whole time heist plan failed. And I believe none of them expects one of the stones disappeared so they believe they only need one trip away to get the stones
@andreshipp6212
@andreshipp6212 5 лет назад
The way Tony's mind works, I'm sure he tried to figure out time travel. That is way he had all of those negative answers when to Avengers came to him.
@CarnageTrooperx
@CarnageTrooperx 4 года назад
@@Nimbus3690 Time travel wasnt built over night. In fact all stark really did was create a "GPS" device. The pym particles were the ultimate key as well as discovery of the quantum realm and its opportunities. So no, its not lazy. Its just like finding the final piece of a puzzle thats been going for years. Plus its Tony Stark, i feel like people forget how smart he is supposed to be
@theillustratoryar1382
@theillustratoryar1382 5 лет назад
I disagree with your take on Thonos' motivation. I always thought of Thanos in IF as an incredible narcissist, and I think Endgame's Thanos drove home the truth of his motivations.
@R3VELAT1ON
@R3VELAT1ON 5 лет назад
exactly, also he changed his mind on how to use the stones based on the avengers (post snap) actions. as he said himself it wont work to kill only half of all life. those who knew what it was like before will fight to change it back. so he basically is like well fuck it i have to start everything over so no one knows what was.
@hydreigon2709
@hydreigon2709 5 лет назад
I think Thanos just has a God complex
@JB-bq2qj
@JB-bq2qj 5 лет назад
I also believed when watching Endgame that it was shedding light on his true purpose which is just to be praised as a god and really he doesn’t care who’s doing the praising
@marciliojunior4919
@marciliojunior4919 5 лет назад
The Illustrator Yar I think that was only to make him more tuff and agressive. They changed his personality and goals to make the fight last longer and be more challenging
@Kevin-qh1ve
@Kevin-qh1ve 5 лет назад
At first viewing I thought the same as you, but on second viewing and after this video... don't you think it's weird that a man who carries such a lofty ideal with him for years suddenly changing his mind like that? In other words, there really feels like a disconnect between Inf.War Thanos and EG Thanos
@tanmaykokkula6211
@tanmaykokkula6211 5 лет назад
For a second, I thought he was talking about the rat in the first act that set Ant-Man fre- oh wait, nevermind
@K_J_Coleman_Composer
@K_J_Coleman_Composer 3 года назад
You forget, the reason that Thanos destroyed the stones was because there was already a villain: The Avengers. To him, they were the one thing that would destroy everything he had worked so hard to create.
@TheDiscusserOriginal
@TheDiscusserOriginal 3 года назад
That is true, but the issue is the time he does it, aka within a couple of days before they got there. Why doesn't he directly do it after Infinity War? Was it because he wasn't sure what to do? If so, how come he didn't immediately think that with the infinite power of the stones he could destroy simply destroy them? Was it because he feared something from the planet and wanted to be safe enough? Was it because he was required to wait either because the stones didn't have enough power, or he had to follow a vision? Was it because he just forgot and was like "oh shit, I should probably destroy the Stones today otherwise I'll forget again and it'll be too late"? It's a minor thing that does cause a significant enough issue similar to the rat.
@miky9504
@miky9504 3 года назад
@@TheDiscusserOriginal Considering how powerful the snap is and how the gauntled had been damaged from it, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume Thanos rested and got his energies back before doing the second snap to avoid dying from destroying the stones.
@TheDiscusserOriginal
@TheDiscusserOriginal 3 года назад
@@miky9504 Perhaps, but the primary issue is that it's never addressed, and so it causes a significant enough issue
@freakyguyonthewall
@freakyguyonthewall 3 года назад
@@TheDiscusserOriginal it is addressed look at what it did to him the first time, the glove when they kill thanos and what it did to hulk and tony, are you stupid?
@TheDiscusserOriginal
@TheDiscusserOriginal 3 года назад
@@freakyguyonthewall It is not addressed why Thanos breaks the stones 2 days before they get there. Filmento literally pointed that out. If you're going to be toxic, at least get your facts straight.
@loganseydel7155
@loganseydel7155 3 года назад
As much as I loved Endgame, I'm really glad there's a critique that feels entirely subjective versus nagging and aggressively negative.
@russellrobertson5359
@russellrobertson5359 5 лет назад
He wants to create a new universe because in his mind, he realizes that the Avengers will never accept what he did at the end of Infinity War. This is backed up when he is monologuing before fighting Cap, Iron Man and Thor.
@henry7696
@henry7696 5 лет назад
its backed up because the movie literally tells us thats the way it should be. thats not good writing.
@russellrobertson5359
@russellrobertson5359 5 лет назад
@@henry7696 his rationale for infinity war is literally a monologue yet people think he is good
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 5 лет назад
Russell Robertson because one establishes his character while the other contradicts it.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 5 лет назад
Russell Robertson also if it was just the case of knowing the Avengers were just trying to undo his actions, he could just ummm kill the Avengers and leave the rest of his plan the same. Thanos shouldn’t be saying screw the universe over something a small group of people did.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 5 лет назад
†ooli C so basically destroying what the IW Thanos was trying to save? No I’m not retarded or in a head canon. I’m taking the info and the movie context that IW Thanos was presented as. Thanos in IW was actively trying to save the universe from overpopulation and a lack of resources. This was because of that happening on his home world. It is established in IW that he only wishes the wipe out half of all life since it would be the only way to save what remained of life. And regardless if he couldn’t predict time travel doesn’t change the fact that he did say screw every being in the universe over something the Avengers alone did.
@kanjibaka
@kanjibaka 4 года назад
On the motivation of Thonos at the end its still in line with what he's always wanted,to build the universe in his own image one where life is preserved instead of the sentiment of living hence he makes it a point to mention the leftovers remembering. He takes matters in his own hands when he realises that everyone he's ever tasked with gathering the stones fail,including the black order in Infinity war,thus he realises that the obstacle was never the Avengers but them still being alive long enough to see him reach his goal
@portsidedyldo2661
@portsidedyldo2661 3 года назад
My dad said it pretty nicely, he said that so many people were actually agreeing with the ideals Thanos had that the Russo brothers or someone decided to make endgame Thanos absolutely disagreeable to prevent anyone siding with Thanos again
@jordirapper
@jordirapper 3 года назад
Wauw. The people agreeing with thanos in IW are absolute idiots then. I love thanos in IW but his plan holds no water. In the last 70 years, earth's population has nearly doubled. If you take that across the universe, I'd wager more something like quadrupled. All the snap would end up doing, is prolonging the inevitable because what is stopping people from just procreation again? Especially on any other planet than earth? Nobody knows what was happening so just continue?
@viswanath6463
@viswanath6463 5 лет назад
Nebula and rhodey should have fought Ronan's thugs
@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115
@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115 5 лет назад
I think it would be kinda unnecessary.
@optimusprime8609
@optimusprime8609 5 лет назад
Or they could u know make out having nebula riding that big black chocolate bar while Rhodes be tearing that blueberry booty
@joshmciver4847
@joshmciver4847 5 лет назад
@@optimusprime8609 no. you aren't funny.
@optimusprime8609
@optimusprime8609 5 лет назад
@@joshmciver4847 u might be laughing behind that screen
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 5 лет назад
@@optimusprime8609 lol nobody wants to see that
@codedniche3263
@codedniche3263 5 лет назад
Tony didn’t figure time travel out his first try, he even says something like that to his operator.
@monkeyplayer1344
@monkeyplayer1344 5 лет назад
Flop God Ya but this is the first time we are seeing him do it so it doesn’t really matter that he just tells us
@Jose-se9pu
@Jose-se9pu 5 лет назад
He does it in one night
@tudodebomb
@tudodebomb 5 лет назад
doesn't matter, they are not following the rule of "show, don't tell" of good story telling
@codedniche3263
@codedniche3263 5 лет назад
Bruno Moreno it’s a 3 hour movie. I don’t want to see Tony struggling for 3-5 mins just to make it seem “hard” how he figured it out. This is why the quantum realm was set up in the 1st Ant-Man movie (2015).
@Hewhowantstoknow
@Hewhowantstoknow 5 лет назад
Show, don't tell
@Vince-tt1uj
@Vince-tt1uj 5 лет назад
If you watched Thanos in movies before Infinity War he was always a type of a guy who waits for others to work for him. First he used Loki in Avengers, then he send Ronan in Guardians of Galaxy. Only after Age of Ultron he states that he is tired of waiting and he will do it himself. So in IW we see Thanos who lost his patience. But in Endgame its younger version of Thanos who is still patient enough to wait. Also I understand the change they made for Thanos goal. He sees world after his plan was succesful and is not satisfied from it. It also increase the stakes of the movie, because now everybody will die not only half of the universe. PS His initial goal was also dumb because why having unlimited power he want't to destroy half of the life instead of creating more resources?
@monkpawfire
@monkpawfire 5 лет назад
Nah they can but he probably saw creating more resources meaningless because it would encourage even more life.
@monkpawfire
@monkpawfire 5 лет назад
Also hearing the news that a big purple guy wiped half of us out of existence and will again if we don't stop will scare us.
@thatoneBritishguy9432
@thatoneBritishguy9432 3 года назад
I personally think ultron should have come back at like the time travel bit if they went for the mind stone as he puts it in visions head
@thatoneBritishguy9432
@thatoneBritishguy9432 3 года назад
Like what if
@sassythedog14b27
@sassythedog14b27 5 лет назад
I understand your points but didn't thanos from infinity war sit in a chair for approximately 6 years before he actively went after the stones.
@DevdevOnYT
@DevdevOnYT 5 лет назад
I don't think he knew about the Infinity Stones before Age of Ultron but sure thing
@jonfx6768
@jonfx6768 5 лет назад
sassythedog14 b But thats not Infinity war.... thats the build up PRIOR to the movie
@l.tc.5032
@l.tc.5032 5 лет назад
Yeah the Thanos we saw in IW had been double crossed by Ronan. In EG that had not happened yet. I could see him thinking "ah Nebula can do it" since he had never been double crossed and to be fair she did if her older self hadn't killed her.
@sassythedog14b27
@sassythedog14b27 5 лет назад
@@jonfx6768 very true. It could just be that I didn't have any problem with thanos in endgame. Probably because I learnt all about him and his motivation in infinity war. The thanos in endgame is basically the same just 4 years younger. He wants a balanced universe but he believes in order to truly achieve that he must rid the universe of everyone so that no one will attempt to undo his hard work. He learns from his future self and attempts to not make the same mistake.
@sonnic1995
@sonnic1995 5 лет назад
@@DevdevOnYT was that ever explained? i mean, not how he knew, but WHEN he knew about the stones? Because maybe the things were al ways like legends and he was after them but no 100% on it since he probably didn't knew they really existed until Ronan actually wielded one, and that was like 3 years before Ultron. And probably he knew the Tesserect was a stone already. I mean i'm i supposed that while in the first avengers movie, he gave the tesseract to Loki knowing what it's power do, then he failed and so on and so on, but then he just though you know what that's a stone and went to kill Loki for it? Either way it's kinda stupid since he just gave away his first stone, instead of going to earth himself an opening the portal... also why he needed a portal since Guardians of the Galaxy stated they can go almost anywhere in a second?
@brickabang
@brickabang 3 года назад
There was a villain racing them. It was drax but he was just standing incredibly still.
@justanindigoplanet
@justanindigoplanet 3 года назад
Underrated comment
@Calebe_Sagaz
@Calebe_Sagaz 5 лет назад
*The beginning has no villain cause the focus is the heroes dealing with the world and the defeat.*
@younggod5230
@younggod5230 5 лет назад
No no no no no no no no no the time travel was the best thing about endgame because it was handled right unlike in for example back to the future. Sure time travel is now difficult to ignore in any post endgame movies but honestly who even wants to watch those?
@bipstymcbipste5641
@bipstymcbipste5641 5 лет назад
Not really, people have pointed many credible issues with the time travel in the movie. The multiverse theory like time travel has been done before and it kind of lowers the stakes unless doing that causes problems in both timelines. If Nebula didn't connect randomly to her past self then they'd have been fine.
@sonnic1995
@sonnic1995 5 лет назад
I wqas about to say that it can be ignored as an option since there was no Pym Particles to be used anymore... but they resurrected Hank Pym... so it's still on the table. The only real excuse to not use it anymore would be like they're not really solving their problems, they're just creating a new universe without them and one that still has them.
@TheMightyBubbs
@TheMightyBubbs 3 года назад
I think it’s safe to say that Rocket is an Avenger after the snap. That makes me happy.
@adithyasudheer1561
@adithyasudheer1561 5 лет назад
The first act is slow and it was amazing, we wouldn't have felt the way later in the movie the way we did if the first act was breezed through. And if they did breeze through, people would complain and say that they wish there was more of the post snap world shown
@Willowy13
@Willowy13 4 года назад
The Last Jedi breezed through Luke reacting to Han's death and everyone screamed blood murder. His nitpicking is funny.
@jcdenton2187
@jcdenton2187 4 года назад
The first act is focused on characters and the aftermath of the snap for them. It absolutely does not need a villian thrown in. I think Filmento missed some of the point of the movie. It's more than a love letter, the first half is filled with short character studies essentially. Thanos also changes motivations because he sees that he was successful, but the remaining half of life wanted to undo his work.
@adithyasudheer1561
@adithyasudheer1561 3 года назад
@@jcdenton2187 exactly, and there people who say endgame was bad cause it was slow. Those are the people who came for the punching and kicking
@midniitemonsta
@midniitemonsta 3 года назад
@Jason Moore fr. Idk what tf they talkin about..
@JoshTigerheart
@JoshTigerheart 5 лет назад
Filmento, I've not seen all your stuff, so I might be wrong here, but I get the feeling you believe a movie plot needs a villain in order to be a good plot. So, are there any good movie plots you're aware of that contradict this and are good without having a villain?
@TheDanteEX
@TheDanteEX 5 лет назад
He also doesn't realize that Thanos' actions are still the villain at the beginning of Endgame. It's literally the world trying to move on from the Decimation. Villains don't have to be actual physical beings.
@gracefool
@gracefool 5 лет назад
He's saying that an active villain is far better / easier to make a compelling story with, than a passive one. There's a reason almost all disaster movies are boring despite all the action on-screen. They have no *personality* conflict.
@destinyomobude5176
@destinyomobude5176 5 лет назад
He's saying having no villain is bad... I guess someone like him can't watch anything except action films.. ENDGAME got more acclaim because they added explicit oscar worthy themes... The first act is boring the way oscar films are boring.. But that doesn't make it not great
@lincolnb.3158
@lincolnb.3158 5 лет назад
JoshTigerheart he’s not saying every good plot needs a villain he’s saying that specifically endgame needed one and listed reasons why
@antonak4763
@antonak4763 5 лет назад
One of the two screenwriters for this movie Stephen McFeely explained why Endgame dosen't have a villain in the first 2 hours. “We had to give ourselves permission to backseat the villain a little bit. I don't think anyone in the first half of the movie is going, 'Oh I wish there was a villain'. You're rolling around in the loss and the time heist, and you think it's sort of Avengers against nature."
@alexzero2629
@alexzero2629 3 года назад
Thanos 2014 is missing the experiences that shaped him on the way to getting the stones in the first place. Plain and simple, the story covers the differences. Maybe its not as interesting. Maybe it's not the same compelling villain because that villain hasnt become the person that came to respect the Avengers and respect the sacrifice he had to make to get to that victory. This movie is not happening in a vacuum its the second part of a two part story.
@MabusParodies2nd
@MabusParodies2nd 3 года назад
I don't think enough have happened in 5 years that would cause such drastic change in Thanos' personality.
@alexzero2629
@alexzero2629 3 года назад
@@MabusParodies2nd I disagree. I think finally finding all of the stones would absolutely change him. Especially after tossing is estranged daughter off a cliff to get one of them. The Thanos whose head came off is far more travelled and mournful than the one before that. You can tell in his swagger. Big big difference. Still Thanos, but changed.
@MabusParodies2nd
@MabusParodies2nd 3 года назад
@@alexzero2629 Thanos killed Gamora about 10 minutes before he did the snap. Not enough time for any meaningful change. And Thanos didn't do much besides sitting on his chair and occasionally going to war for the last 5 years. And Thanos is like 1000+ year old, so 5 years is like a month to him.
@kylemossi
@kylemossi 4 года назад
I always thought he was waiting to heal. I mean he used the stones right after taking an axe to the chest. He probably wanted to heal up a bit before trying the stones again.
@booferzz
@booferzz 5 лет назад
Personally, I watched the movie (not a comic book reader, but I enjoyed the recent MCU movies, this one didn’t make me bored at all in theatres.
@padtohka317
@padtohka317 11 месяцев назад
I think the destroy life and save life argument was a little bit far, because right before Thonos said he will kill everything in the universe, he did mentioned he thought eliminating half lives, the other half will thrive, the avengers showed him otherwise, so he decided this time he will eliminate all instead. But yes it was delivered via a line only, so it feels weak. If this change of motive could be visualise it will be way better
@infinitepowerTF
@infinitepowerTF 3 года назад
For me, it was good that the first hour was slow because they needed to show how the repercusions of Thanos Snap affected everyone, including the avengers. It was also necessary to stablish what they could do in order to revert Thanos actions. So that is not a villainless hour, it was a consistent plot building hour. But I am agree with you that the rat saving Ant Man was a massive Deus ex machina.
@bouncycow3010
@bouncycow3010 5 лет назад
Everyone: Thanos is the most powerful being in the universe. Filmento: or maybe a rat...
@joshmciver4847
@joshmciver4847 5 лет назад
I get you're going for humor, but a rat stepping on some random buttons doesn't make the rat powerful.
@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842
Or Dr. Strange... Maybe a rat was an undercover agent of Kamartaj.
@achiel6700
@achiel6700 3 года назад
I think they consciously made Thanos' motives less rational because too many people agreed with him.
@haizuru1
@haizuru1 4 года назад
Thanos destroyed the stones because he heard that "Karen" wanted to talk him down for them. He couldn't snap that away.
@TKinfinity01
@TKinfinity01 5 лет назад
Deep in my heart, at least Thanos died thinking he’d won. And I’m happy with that.
@slevinchannel7589
@slevinchannel7589 3 года назад
Yeah, ok, but Thanos with an ‚A’ is also a Dum-Dum? People analysed his Original Plan with the ‚Snap’ and realized: Oh, what a Dum-Dum.
@wasodert
@wasodert 3 года назад
By the time of the start of End Game Dormamu is long aware of what power stones posses and so he would be aware that it is possible to make his twisted realm to conquer all the multiverse using them. Sooo: 1. Dormamu lurks through the minds of Avengers and Thanos siders looking for an opportunity, for a soft spot in the stones protection. 2. Forms a plan to initiate the fight between two sides, in order to posses tge weakened mind of the final Gauntlet holder and let twisted realm to get over the multiverse 3. Dormamu realizes that quantum world, in which Antman sits, might help Avengers travel time(because he is the infernal power of the twisted realm, who percieves time and space differently, perhaps understanding quantum mechanics and time-travel capabilities of this knowledge) 4. Dormamu starts to infiltrate the mind of Stark, helping him to discover the right construction of time travel machine. 5. Dormamu builds up his influence on the Starks mind, allowing to change decisions he is making 6. Final battle shows almost nothing of Dormamus presence, because he is concieling himself in order to strike truly unexpectedly, however scene goes on with no change caused by him. 7. Scene after credits shows, that Dormamu violently tried to make Stark unleash him from twisted realm, but didn't succeed in any visible way. However, right when the Stark lets out his last breath, cursing enraged Dormamu suddenly disappears into the thin air, leaving us with the look into steady twisted realm accompanied with intense beat building up.
@wasodert
@wasodert 3 года назад
Appreciate constructive feedback!
@wolfgangcryso7864
@wolfgangcryso7864 3 года назад
I think you forget that he noticed since that they came back that he failed in the future that's why his motivation or his goal is different, to notice that in the future he failed in his initial goal so he had to go about destroying everything and building a new world where they didn't remember what the world used to be
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 3 года назад
Why would that imply he failed? It showed 10 people hated what he did. As far as he could know, the universe could of been saved for what he did
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 3 года назад
Also he could of simply done a mind wipe of the survivors
@wolfgangcryso7864
@wolfgangcryso7864 3 года назад
@@kingorange7739 cause they wanted to change it, he even said it. So his new goal was to do it andale sure noone remembered how it used to be
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 3 года назад
@@wolfgangcryso7864 and as I explained before, that does not align with his logic that the last movie established
@adrianblake-williams5294
@adrianblake-williams5294 4 года назад
I can’t believe that you called him Thonos at 8:04 😂 😂 😂
@brandongage6009
@brandongage6009 3 года назад
I click because the thumbnail was legendary
@jknetwork6211
@jknetwork6211 5 лет назад
I hope they use noobmaster69 for the next Thor movie. It would be a waste not to use such a great antagonist for the MCU.
@Big_Dai
@Big_Dai 5 лет назад
I love how dumb people are SO entertained by dumb things.
@jknetwork6211
@jknetwork6211 5 лет назад
Dai 大 and I love how dumb trolls respond to dumb comments lol.
@OneUp-18
@OneUp-18 3 года назад
I think past Thanos's motivation is different than present Thanos because he never thought about how he would do it and he thought the way his future self did was a more brutal way whereas in reality present Thanos was doing it to actually save life. Also I think making the first part empty was a good choice since it shows antman how he had returned to a world that was traumatized and broken due to the snap
@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry
@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry 3 года назад
thanos just turned to an well devoleped and builted character to just an flanderized caricature of himself
@gameboy3800
@gameboy3800 4 года назад
the vader 'i dont even know who you are' is hilarious.
@janelewis9251
@janelewis9251 3 года назад
Channel literally describes my subliminal feelings during movies watching
@ed9479
@ed9479 3 года назад
wow i didn't even think about endgame not having a villain.
@sethmiles9436
@sethmiles9436 3 года назад
So... you know Thanos destroyed the stones so no one could undo whar he did right? And the younger Thanos now wants to destroy all life and make it anew is because he saw what people did and thought when he completed his original goal. And with his new universe, he would make sure no one knew about the old one. Both of these things were clearly stated in the movie
@luke5930
@luke5930 3 года назад
Thanos is supposed to be 1000 years old apparently so why does 4 years change his behaviour dramatically. Also in endgame he chooses to destroy all life just because he noticed that 1 planet (earth) didn't automatically improve over the short space of 5 years. Might as well blow up the world cause it takes more than 5 years to put in place a long term plan. What about all of the other planets that actually did well from the snap, is he just going to destroy those because someone else didn't do too well? Thanos in endgame is awful, also why did thanos never just decide to use the time stone to look into the future, that way he could have seen that the avengers would have stopped him and he could have just gone back and killed them all or just use the stones to blow up only earth. He could have done that before destroying the stones. Thanos' motives actually are terrible in both films but the viewers are tricked into thinking they are right because the rest of him was well written and the animation was really good but if you apply logic to his motivations and plans, none of them actually work. Thanos is supposed to be smart and ruthless and not afraid to slaughter planets and people but instead of the mad titan, he's really just the dumb titan
@buki3009
@buki3009 5 лет назад
i don't have time to explain but for this one filmento you are wrong
@Ashton.camilleri
@Ashton.camilleri 5 лет назад
I believe kang should had been teased in the time travel aspect of this movie and could've served as the secret manipulator like thanos was in the first avengers
@alejandrovallencci
@alejandrovallencci 3 года назад
I mean they did tease Adam Warlock, imagine if the Sovereign sent him to get the stones, and he was the secondary villain. Maybe at the end after a fight with Captain Marvel or some of the Guardians, he decides to help them defeat Thanos. Would’ve made the movie soo much more coherent and high stakes
@jeremiahvaleska8464
@jeremiahvaleska8464 5 лет назад
I love your content, but in this video, you leave out important information and take things out of context several times.
@dgthanos
@dgthanos 3 года назад
Thonos' goal changed from erase half of life to (destroy? no but to) RESTART life because Thonos KNOWS that he will achieve his original goal/plan(Thanos' plan/Infinity war's outcome) and saw his "destiny"/what he became by achieving those goals thanks to Nebula's eye-hologram-thingy.
@solvableplane3212
@solvableplane3212 5 лет назад
Now that's what I call plot convenience
@joelmacha2104
@joelmacha2104 2 года назад
You can't expect them to keep track of time travel when they can't even tell what year they are supposed to be in. The Avengers takes place in 2012, Tony says it's been eight years to Thanos, then when they jump forward five years they are somehow in 2023 and not 2025? I know it's five years from when the movie was released, but being eight years after The Avengers was established by other comments by other characters... Except for the times the writers forget and say the wrong year again. But it should be consistent between movies by the same crew at least.
@DoraTheMFDestroya
@DoraTheMFDestroya 5 лет назад
Another thing to say is that the younger thanos is just that, younger. He is immature compared to the older thanos. He doesnt have the same experiences.
@felipea1399
@felipea1399 5 лет назад
Does 4 years matter to a guy traumatized by the death of his planet and who is hundreds of years old?
@lukasgosselin9738
@lukasgosselin9738 5 лет назад
Thanos in endgame wasn't as good as in infinity war but he was not a bad villian
@SIFUSAYSRELAX
@SIFUSAYSRELAX 5 лет назад
He was a beast in Endgame
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 5 лет назад
UncleRico beast doesn’t mean good character
@TheInfamousWolf
@TheInfamousWolf 5 лет назад
@@kingorange7739 He was slightly different, he showed us the outcome of the Mad Titan rather than the Holy warrior we first got.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 5 лет назад
TheInfamousWolf but that outcome didn’t make sense and contradicts IW Thanos’ character.
@TheInfamousWolf
@TheInfamousWolf 5 лет назад
@@kingorange7739 You're right about this, i think it's because the original Thanos from Infinity War had more time to formulate his master plan while 2014 Thanos was still a full blown killer. He did it all himself, he didn't give himself time to become his own idea of a "benevolent" saviour of the universe as he presented himself in Infinity War, so when he saw his plan become a reality, he saw things differently as anyone naturally, imagine witnessing your own murder? All because your master plan actually worked? He took that personal and he watched him attack the Trio with hatred. Rather than reluctant fighting that we saw in Avengers Infinity War, he was out for blood in Endgame, A Mad Titan, Infinity War, he believed himself a hero, so he won, it also didn't help that the Avengers themselves were also divided and thus...overcome.
@sir-mass3909
@sir-mass3909 3 года назад
What if we stick with what you said, keeping the old Thanos, except the film serves as a redemption ark for him? Where Thanos has to work alongside the Avengers to get the Infinity Stones before the new Villain, and perhaps he ends up sacrificing himself to stop the villain?
@The_Archer-he2ft
@The_Archer-he2ft 2 года назад
the real reason thanos just sits around and does nothing is because he is still in blue hammer guy mode, not doing anything while someone else goes to hunt down stones, canonically accurate laziness
@antoinea.9791
@antoinea.9791 5 лет назад
*sees thumbnail* *WHAT HAVE YOU BROUGHT UPON THIS CURSED LAND*
@joshmciver4847
@joshmciver4847 5 лет назад
the current one is Thanos mixed with Will Smith from Shark Tale.. was there a different one?
@campkira
@campkira 5 лет назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tJRHluWtO30.html
@mr.t-rex3113
@mr.t-rex3113 4 года назад
Fans: What’d you do? Filmento: I put Rat ears on Thanos head
@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry
@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry 3 года назад
@@mr.t-rex3113 dont forget the large teth
@kawaiiqueee3489
@kawaiiqueee3489 3 года назад
It's not his weirdest one
@Sjono
@Sjono 5 лет назад
A mouse saved the Marvel heroes You can’t get more meta than that
@bazyzzyl
@bazyzzyl 4 года назад
Propaganda at its finest???
@MrCarpediem6
@MrCarpediem6 4 года назад
huh..
@snowtrick2907
@snowtrick2907 4 года назад
You could say it redeemed itself by saving more lives than it plagues
@willk4791
@willk4791 4 года назад
OOOOhhh.. wow. I finally get it.
@urticantspoon9960
@urticantspoon9960 4 года назад
@@snowtrick2907 lol
@tylerbudge3217
@tylerbudge3217 2 года назад
I honestly like the fact that the “real” Thanos died after completing his mission. It made things feel real when Thor killed him and it didn’t change anything. It was simply a meaningless revenge kill.
@mmtigan
@mmtigan 2 года назад
If you think about it, the real Thanos remains undefeated. The Endgame Thanos is to him what Ben Affleck's Batman is to Christian Bale's Batman.
@МаксимК-я4ы
@МаксимК-я4ы 2 года назад
@@mmtigan no he didn't. Avengers found a way to undo everything again, making his actions meaningless.
@mmtigan
@mmtigan 2 года назад
@@МаксимК-я4ы His actions were meaningless anyway. They brought back the missing population in 5 years. At a normal breeding rate it would have taken about 50 years to double the population again which is still nothing. He was an idiot. But he won.
@kungalexander829
@kungalexander829 2 года назад
@@МаксимК-я4ы the avengers didnt undo everythint It had a huge cost They didnt brought back back widow, real gamorah, loki, angry hulk and didnt managed to save tony stark The avengers were heavily crippled in this movie
@LudicrousChris
@LudicrousChris 2 года назад
at the cost of a far less compelling, 2 dimensional villain
@the_gratefulgamer
@the_gratefulgamer 5 лет назад
EndGame's Biggest Flaw for me. Hulk never had his Rematch with Thanos. We could've had Stoneless Thanos vs a Unafraid Hulk.
@aimanmarzuqi4804
@aimanmarzuqi4804 5 лет назад
Yeah that was a real missed opportunity.
@danielpayne7414
@danielpayne7414 5 лет назад
Fucking YES
@Dargonhuman
@Dargonhuman 5 лет назад
For me it was showing the resolution of Banner and Hulk freaking off-screen! That was one of the bigger plot points of Infinity War and they were just like, "Oh, they worked it out. No big deal." Hell, just showing that, even in flashback, would have been a perfect setup to a Thanos rematch.
@thomas0086
@thomas0086 5 лет назад
Hulk wasn’t actually afraid though, he hated being used. Hulk doesn’t fear overwhelming opposition he would fight until death. Any way, research it, there is a lot online and here on YT about it as many including I thought what you did.
@crasyman101
@crasyman101 5 лет назад
Thanos didn't use the stones the first time and professor hulk is weaker than regular hulk. He would've held another L
@comic6571
@comic6571 3 года назад
Maybe thanos took so long to snap his fingers again to destroy the stones. Was simply because he was still recovering from the first snap. Remember “it almost killed me” just snapping once?
@bobcartwright7476
@bobcartwright7476 3 года назад
The snap that almost killed him was the snap to destroy the stones, that being said, he did have recovering to do after the initial snap, as when he snapped he had an angry viking's sizeable axe lodged in his chest.
@maximoleon3110
@maximoleon3110 3 года назад
@@bobcartwright7476 He healed Stormbreaker's cut immediatly with the Time Stone. You can see that in the Canadian Lad Channel
@brando3342
@brando3342 3 года назад
@Daniel Adams I'm almost positive the reliance on randomness is to echo the thought that everything in our universe is said to have come about by random chance, because you know, Hollywood LOVES pushing their own philosophies and Godlessness on their viewers.
@kevinsmarts9953
@kevinsmarts9953 3 года назад
@@brando3342 A real stretch considering that the infinity stones themselves are meant to be artifacts used by some God to create the universe.
@brando3342
@brando3342 3 года назад
Kevin Smarts Well, okay then. However that makes absolutely zero sense. Also happens to still be against the True God.
@saetainlatin
@saetainlatin 5 лет назад
It would have been better that Stan Lee's Cameo in Endgame was him being a janitor with a rat pet that casually left it next to the Van where antman was trapped. That would have given Stan lee a plot weight and would have hint him as the ONE-ABOVE-ALL
@akwasiasiamah7542
@akwasiasiamah7542 5 лет назад
That would have made a lot of sense
@Jose-se9pu
@Jose-se9pu 5 лет назад
That still lazy writing
@Big_Dai
@Big_Dai 5 лет назад
Err.. no, that stinks
@512TheWolf512
@512TheWolf512 5 лет назад
@@Jose-se9pu is it really worse than what we got thought?
@saetainlatin
@saetainlatin 5 лет назад
@TurtleO’Confusion the implication is that Stan Lee Would have been hinted as the One Above All. Imagine that at the end of the scene, he vanishes. It wouldn't be just someone's pet, but a cosmic entity disguised as a janitor that is taking care of the snap in an indirect way.
@altair9057
@altair9057 3 года назад
We need a scene of deadpool going around the world solving problems kinda like in deadpool 2, and showing deadpool spraying liquid cheese spray on the button for antman’s van with him looking at the cam saying “you’ll thank me later”
@dancingwaterstudios459
@dancingwaterstudios459 3 года назад
Omg yes! Where were you when they were writing this?!
@altair9057
@altair9057 3 года назад
@@dancingwaterstudios459 🤣🤷🏽‍♂️
@bozitrapboy
@bozitrapboy 3 года назад
yeahhhh now i really want that to happen lmfaoo
@ahabduennschitz7670
@ahabduennschitz7670 3 года назад
@@dancingwaterstudios459 probably at home cause he has no job or friends or a girlfriend or a life in general
@altair9057
@altair9057 3 года назад
@@ahabduennschitz7670 your name resembles the sound a toilet plunger makes🤡
@merchopera3855
@merchopera3855 5 лет назад
5:00 great job with the video, but he destroyed them to avoid temptation. That works, right? Temptation can grow over time
@lucioahr
@lucioahr 5 лет назад
he saw the future and destroyed them to prevent the avengers to take them.
@spinozilla2421
@spinozilla2421 5 лет назад
Elucioahr he didn’t see the future if he did he could easily kill them and anyone else that try to undo his effects then destroy them
@brock446
@brock446 5 лет назад
@@spinozilla2421 or he accepted his fate
@nobleman9393
@nobleman9393 5 лет назад
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
@Vince-tt1uj
@Vince-tt1uj 5 лет назад
He said he did it so the snap cannot be undone. I think the directors said using stones made Thanos physically weaker each time he did it. He wasn't in good health after the final battle in Wakanda. Remember Thor hit him. He probably knew that eventually they will find him, so he destroyed the stones.
@ripzaurus
@ripzaurus 5 лет назад
I mean, the fact that randomly a rat presses the right buttons may very well be why they only win once. It’s the only timeline where antman gets out.
@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842
It's the only timeline, where an entire sequence of events leads to their success. So, not just a rat, but incalculable number of events, that made everything the way it is. Although, when I said after Infinity War, that Thanos lost the very moment Dr. Strange figured out to weaponize Time Stone, I didn't expect time travel to be part of the equation. Like... How can you predict future, when it is in the past? Admittedly, Infinity Stones are bullshit, when they are utilized properly. Which Thanos never did, only using them as a blunt tool for sweeping solitions.
@nitni0002
@nitni0002 5 лет назад
Ant man had to be trapped for 5 years in order to understand that time can be manipulated in the quantum realm.
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 5 лет назад
@@nitni0002 It wasn't 5 years for him in the quantum realm. Remember: he was kind of shocked when he figured out how much times has past.
@peterfrank3365
@peterfrank3365 5 лет назад
No, it was convenience. Strange granted the timeline by giving away the Time Stone. The rat is out of the equation.
@samcameron1054
@samcameron1054 5 лет назад
*quantum screaming*
@vector12yearsago41
@vector12yearsago41 4 года назад
The whole point in the first half is that nothing is happening, the villain is their grief and guilt. Nothing is meant to happen cause they are hopeless
@gokulsiriah7941
@gokulsiriah7941 3 года назад
Well it should be a 30 min segment then....but it went on for almost 2 hrs..which is too long
@mop2254
@mop2254 3 года назад
This vid sounds like a film student preaching formulaic theories. I like it when there is a bit of randomness like in real life. Shows like Rick and Morty is a great example of fresh writing.
@mikielsahagun6054
@mikielsahagun6054 3 года назад
No it shows a world that lost the Avengers failed because Thor didn't go for the head of Thanos. Miracles happen in movies all the time but this was more like Doctor Strange's prophecy of that one future that they win: that's how slim it is
@MIGBMWLOVER
@MIGBMWLOVER 2 года назад
I wasted too many hours of my life because nothing happened
@Jay-hj5cb
@Jay-hj5cb 2 года назад
@@mop2254 lmao
@micahkafka
@micahkafka 5 лет назад
I just assumed it was two days ago because that's how long it took him to recover enough to use them again.
@jayw900
@jayw900 5 лет назад
That likely is why. It isn't said explicitly but we see the toll it takes after using. This dude is just ignoring key points to make a video
@StarterSteel
@StarterSteel 4 года назад
@@jayw900 What I find funny, as far as im concerned, the toll only came about because they just thought it was at a price. I mean the dang thing is supposed to ignore all rules of the universe yet it nearly kills them? And they *have* to snap for something big?
@PaulDozierZZoMBiE13
@PaulDozierZZoMBiE13 4 года назад
@@StarterSteel Those are good points. I took it as the stones being very depowered in the MCU as compared to the comics. Godlike power, sure, but in the comics Thanos was a god upon obtaining the stones. Mere thought was made and unmade by his will. They also had the deus ex machina of Adam Warlock which the movies don't have. Or at least, we haven't seen him yet despite being hinted at by GotG 2.
@Kaibo-yc2pv
@Kaibo-yc2pv 4 года назад
you guys like to write the script for them don't you?
@HotWheels_OW
@HotWheels_OW 4 года назад
Thanos and Hulk were both very heavily wounded/scarred after using the Stones and in terms of the Hulk he's damn near indestructible. It goes without saying that for Thanos to be able to use it with mostly superficial damage whilst the Hulk lost the use of one of his arms that he has insane constitution. To address it directly, yeah give the guy 2 days to recover, I think the only reason it's became a question for many was the lack of clarity on how the gauntlet effects the wielder. Does it A) Kill the Wielder B) Wound the Wielder C) Make them extra crispy
@brianng3414
@brianng3414 4 года назад
Even though the first 1/3 of the movie is "slow", I think it is necessary to see the feel the impact of what happened at Avengers Infinity War. It is not about the action or villain, but the ones that remain behind and our original Avengers. And it is because of this, the rest of the movie is that much more satisfying.
@ruscul8711
@ruscul8711 4 года назад
2/3 bro..2/3s of the movie is very slow.
@linktheplayer3
@linktheplayer3 3 года назад
I completely agree how a non villain is supposed to show that life after the snap was supposed to be slow as it is ,technically a sequel.
@Rakaparat420
@Rakaparat420 3 года назад
Exactly
@maxborn7400
@maxborn7400 3 года назад
@@ruscul8711 It shows the impact of Thanos as a villain. That's his legacy he left behind. Even after he died, he is still the invisible villain, because of the visible, deep impact he continues to have on the life of those left behind after the snap. Those are the most deceptive and sinister of villains: the one who will exist as a dull, depressing ache, even if they are "removed" from the dynamic.
@ruscul8711
@ruscul8711 3 года назад
@@maxborn7400 nah... the directors already said that they are not going to do a back to back movie ever again cause it was taking a toll on them. The story is sloppy and lazy. The russo's did the best job in CA. winter soldier, civil war, infinity war but not this one. i could remove the first 2/3 of the movie, watch it again and feel the same way I watched it first.
@henrygod69
@henrygod69 5 лет назад
I agree but also disagree. The slowness of the beginning does a great job of showing the impact of the snap.
@rhaenyrareigns2200
@rhaenyrareigns2200 5 лет назад
For some reason it reminded me the ending of "Manchester By The Sea". Atmosphere-wise.
@FeliX-TobiYahs-C
@FeliX-TobiYahs-C 5 лет назад
It's perfect amount of dramatic tension after 5yrs being defeated! It makes you as an audience feel the despair & wonder what next?
@joelongo450
@joelongo450 5 лет назад
I saw a comment on another video that said if you were watching Infinity War and Endgame back to back the first hour of Endgame would act as a calming down period from the nonstop action of Infinity War
@danghoang7455
@danghoang7455 5 лет назад
ah yes, showing the impact of the snap by making the characters slightly depressed and shoehorning in half-assed jokes. Im saying this as a disappointed watcher who had high hopes for Endgame.
@dayswillburn777
@dayswillburn777 5 лет назад
Thank you!
@marcusisahooper
@marcusisahooper 5 лет назад
It's implied that Tony had already been working on time travel. I assumed that he had given up on the idea, but his conversation with the Avengers made him try again. The rat is super convenient. I agree with you there. You claim there was no real obstacles when they traveled in time, but I very much disagree. You may not like the obstacles they wrote (fair enough that's subjective), but they're definitely there. There is a constant state of anxiety every moment because they're not sure what will happen. They lose the tesseract and have to figure out another way to steal it. As mentioned, Cap had to fight himself, but he also had to figure out a way to grab the scepter from Hydra. He may have solved that obstacle quickly, but it was an obstacle. As mentioned, Clint and Nat had to figure out who was going to die (you brushed past this but that is a pretty big problem to have). Cap and Tony had to get the tesseract and particles out of SHIELD without really knowing the base at all. Nebula's connection with younger Nebula alerts Thanos to their plan (whether you like young Thanos or not, that's a pretty big obstacle). As mentioned, Bruce had to convince the Ancient One to give up the time stone. You made fun of this one, but it's still an obstacle. It may not be as risky or as intense as the other obstacles, but Bruce still had to have a verbal sparring match with one of the world's smartest people. You said, "Oh, he just happened to say the right thing," but did you think it would never come up how Thanos got the time stone? That doesn't seem like a coincidence. Even if it was a coincidence like the rat, it would still be an obstacle. That's a lot of obstacles that supposedly don't exist. I agree Thanos isn't as good in this one, but I think it's for the opposite reason that you do. I don't think this movie needed a villain at all. That's hard to say because I love the way this movie wraps up, but having a villain is not the point of this movie. Having another villain (or having Thanos be planning something else from the beginning) would be redundant, boring, and take up a lot more time in an already long movie. The whole point of this movie is responding to what the villain has already done. We only need a physical antagonist for the fight at the end. I would argue that this movie DOES have an antagonist all the way through: time. They weren't able to make it to Thanos in time to get the stones back. They had to live in this broken world for five years. They struggle to crack time travel. Going back in time has a lot of obstacles (yes it does ;p), Thanos learns about their plan because two Nebulas are in the same time, and Tony even says at the end "When you mess around with time, it tends to mess back," referring to Thanos arriving and bombing them. To me, Thanos is not as strong in this movie because he is just the physical representation of the metaphysical antagonist. I still wish he was a stronger villain, but I don't think he needed to be more integral to the plot of this movie. I say all this as a fan of your videos! I'm not trying to be negative, I just wanted to share my thoughts. Keep up the great work man!
@amandaearnhart8395
@amandaearnhart8395 5 лет назад
Thanks for this comment, I was thinking along the same lines. I do think that maybe the rat is more than it appears, like something connected to a new hero or someone we don't know about yet. I also think the plot could've happened even if ant man hadn't been brought back, because Tony would've still figured out time travel, talked to Pepper, and gone back to the Avengers. For Thanos, they could've done a bit better but I think it was at least somewhat interesting to see the psyche of a younger, more arrogant, and arguably more dangerous Thanos explored.
@capriphonix8863
@capriphonix8863 5 лет назад
Great comment, agreed.
@tellmesomething2412
@tellmesomething2412 5 лет назад
TL;DR Yet, I will later on.
@19Ledor
@19Ledor 5 лет назад
No without Antman nothing would have happened. Everyone had accepted the new world and had given up on finding a way to undo it. A specially Tony. Tony had finally found happiness and peace. From his perspective Antman returning and him figuring out time travel ruined his life. From a meta perspective on the other hand it gave the character a great conclusion. So, no. This movie would not have happened without the MCUs lord and saviour a random rat.
@marcusisahooper
@marcusisahooper 5 лет назад
Ledor Bloodraven ha ha! I agree, the rat was a bit too important to the plot! 😂
@MrMgkman13
@MrMgkman13 4 года назад
Thanos explains that the reason he changes his motivation (shredding the universe) because of how the Avengers tried to undo it. He needs a universe where people don’t remember the old world.
@TylerAavet
@TylerAavet 4 года назад
Was hoping to find a comment like this.
@MultiKeto
@MultiKeto 4 года назад
mindstone?
@tanathosXX
@tanathosXX 4 года назад
+++ yes, exactly
@libraalibaba
@libraalibaba 4 года назад
He could have used the time stone and go 4000 yrs into the future. Problem solved.
@TheVladMan.
@TheVladMan. 4 года назад
In next year’s Snyder Cut of Justice League, Darkseid will make Thanos look like child’s play.
@harrizburhan
@harrizburhan 5 лет назад
my therapist: "it's ok, thanos rat can't hurt you. he isn't real" thanos rat:
@finnmurphy9158
@finnmurphy9158 3 года назад
Thonos motivation is that he has seen that killing half the life will still result in the resistance of those left alive so if he kills all and then rebuilds it the right way it will be happy for him saving them
@ordenax
@ordenax 3 года назад
Very true. However, Thonos is still not anywhere near as humane or fleshed out as the Thanos. He had become the quintessentially villain that so many movies have. Evil for the sake of it. I actually understood Thanos' motivation, thoughts, his pain. I did share on his pathos when he had to kill Gamora.
@evilzdeadite
@evilzdeadite 3 года назад
@@ordenax Your comment funny as hell
@theyoboygamer3754
@theyoboygamer3754 3 года назад
I know this is an old conversation, but I feel like Thanos should have kept his original goal of taking out all life to save the rest, plus getting rid of the possibility of time travel (getting rid of time travel, and those who solved it like Stark) and just like that, Thanos is pretty much the same
@anonymouspokemon4623
@anonymouspokemon4623 3 года назад
@@theyoboygamer3754 And how do you do that? You remind me of a kid who doesn't know that doing is much harder than talking. "Make a robot that's immune to all damage. And also make the robot immune to all magic. And also make the robot immune to things that can cancel the robot's powers. And also make the robot immune to God's powers"
@theyoboygamer3754
@theyoboygamer3754 3 года назад
@@anonymouspokemon4623 1. Use the infinity stones. If they can destroy a moon with only 4/6 of it's power, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a stretch to take out time travel, or at least the idea of it, or even just the people who are capable of inventing it. 2. Yeah I'm young. So? How does my age change the legitimacy of my ideas? Remember, we're living in a world when a 15 year old black boy managed to get into college. Honestly this type of thinking is the reason kids only remember 2% of what they learn, and why kid shows aren't clever or competent anymore.
@Galimeer5
@Galimeer5 5 лет назад
"Thonos is the kind of guy who sits back and lets other people do the work" Thanos tells Ronan to bring him the Orb (Guardians of the Galaxy) Thanos tells his disciples to bring him the two Stones on Earth (Infinity War) Thanos tells Gamora to find the Soul Stone for him (off screen, but still)
@PalomaNV
@PalomaNV 5 лет назад
Because he's not omnipresent, while his disciples and daughter make the things he commands, he is *also* doing active things. He delegates because he cannot do everyrhing on his own, but he goes for the reality and soul stone and fight the Avengers actively.
@hansruppelt557
@hansruppelt557 5 лет назад
@@PalomaNV also Thanos has been just sitting and telling other people to do his work for years before Infinity War. This Thonos is the same Thanos from other movies, before he grew tired of just waiting and seeing others failing, then deciding to do things himself and starting Infinity War. It's not like Thanos had never been just waiting and commanding from a distance.
@SLAD3
@SLAD3 5 лет назад
Hans Ruppelt exactly this is pre “fine I’ll do it myself” thanos
@sumonahmedrasel9842
@sumonahmedrasel9842 5 лет назад
He also sends loki to get the Space Stone
@ChuckJansenII
@ChuckJansenII 5 лет назад
Thanos practices delegation of authority. He just has incompetent minions. Would have been better off with The Minions.
@MrSterlinglinford
@MrSterlinglinford 4 года назад
The rare point of yours that I disagree with so far: Thanos seems like he has logical sense in Infinity War but, to me, it always was quite apparent that his reasoning was just a rationalization that he created for himself. He is insane and intelligent not intelligent and misguided, the insane part is really important. In End Game since he saw how his original plans were undone he decided that he would just kill everybody since killing people was his main goal, not saving people, despite what he tells everybody including himself. That's highlighted by the many people who question why Thanos decides to wipe out half of life instead of creating twice as many resources, both of which would have the same affect. He doesn't see saving as the main goal, he wants to kill. Opening scene of Infinity War he "has his fun" by kicking the Hulk's ass and then he goes and stabs Heimdall in the chest after he saves the Hulk. It is the same character in both films but one of them feels more of a connection to the heroes than the other. I do agree that films should stand alone or else what's the point but for me this is literally the only movies that are exceptions, Infinity War isn't nearly as good without watching at least a few of the previous entries and End Game definitely doesn't work without Infinity War. Really like the channel though! Just found it a few days ago.
@j3r1659
@j3r1659 4 года назад
I don't think killing people was his main goal and I don't think him saying in Endgame that he's going to start over proves that point either. His goal is and always will be to save people, just in a really messed up way. He's set on eliminating half of living beings to save the other half because that was what his goal was on his home planet titan and he believes had he done that his home planet would still exist. Him saying he's going to start over doesn't prove his goal is just to kill people. Essentially he's saying "these people are ungrateful for being saved. I'll just create new people who will be grateful and eliminate the old ones out of necessity so they dont try to undue it." Also, if he just created 2x the resources, wouldn't they just run out? resources are finite. At the same time, eliminating half the population shouldn't matter either unless he's going to snap again because eventually the same problem will occur, but the elimination story is much more interesting. Lastly him killing Heimdall isn't him "having fun". Thanos only kills out of necessity, not for pleasure. He killed Heimdall because he saw him as threat after seeing what potential he had. Think about, the only Avenger he was going to kill forsure was Iron Man (other than vision because he needed the stone). Tony was the only one he knew by name and he was going to finish him off before Strange intervened. Why? Because Tony was a serious Threat. Why didn't he have his fun with Thor, the Guardians(twice), Dr. Strange, Spiderman and every other Avenger after having them beaten and disabled?
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 4 года назад
@@j3r1659 I could not agree more
@xMxM9xSx
@xMxM9xSx 4 года назад
One thing I think gets discounted is how Thanos felt seeing his plan succeed then fail. It's been established he practiced this plan for YEARS. He tried it on planets. He's not insane - he tried it, over and over, no doubt had economists, scientists, etc think it over. He is shown to have built his whole life on this plan. Now imagine in just one second, you see your whole life plan being reduced to nothing. The whole thing is pointless. Of course he would be 2d. He is only motivated by rage at this point. To be fair, I dont think they established this well enough. Even just one scene where Thanos better described that he is angry at his loss would have made him 1000x better. But, I think the logic is there.
@GustavoPlays20
@GustavoPlays20 4 года назад
In comics Death's existence was quite relevant in Thanos motivations, wich explains why he would chose the killing over the abundance in resources when both achieve the same results. And i do hope that with the eternals or even deadpool (though i dont think DP would be a good debut for her) we actually get some screen for her, by showing how she actually was the secret plotter from this phase (solving the series of lucky events problem) and tie the expanding marvel cosmic universe with what has already happened up till now. Though marvels next villain will be kang and im not that well versed in comics to know if what i said is viable ;-;.
@josephjoestar9952
@josephjoestar9952 4 года назад
That is inherently wrong. It was repeatedly implied that his planet drove itself to extinction due to overuse of Resources. He kills the asgardians but not all of them. Many were still alive, possibly half of them. And he was into the concept of helping half of the people live from wayyy before 5 years. He was never a madman. A VERY desperate man. Endgame simply removed his personality as if it didn't exist. As much as it was a good payoff, it still uses lazy writing for us to root for Iron Man instead of the villain
@daneyal7162
@daneyal7162 4 года назад
I believe that it was Megatron from Beast Machines who once said something like: "So this is how the world ends, not with a bang, but with a rat."
@slevinchannel7589
@slevinchannel7589 3 года назад
Yeah, ok, but Thanos with an ‚A’ is also a Dum-Dum? People analysed his Original Plan with the ‚Snap’ and realized: Oh, what a Dum-Dum.
@sylphlens4511
@sylphlens4511 4 года назад
I disagree about the first act feeling "slow" to me it felt just the right amount to feel the emotional impact of half the population being dusted.
@Willowy13
@Willowy13 4 года назад
People wanted to torch Disney because The Last Jedi did not spare 1 minute for Luke to grieve Han's death and he is saying that the first act isn't good because of the grieving being shown.
@Sirrajj
@Sirrajj 3 года назад
Maybe it felt a little bit longer than it should be, in my opinion, that Widow having online meeting and cap coming after that would be enough, that Captain, Joe Russo and other people counseling each other was unnecessary
@joshgroban5291
@joshgroban5291 3 года назад
@@Sirrajj the counseling section was important, it's to show what Cap has been doing with his life after the snap. Its better than just exposition of saying what Cap did
@BungieStudios
@BungieStudios 3 года назад
It's important to show it versus not, but it's also important to not let it drag on. It's a movie. Like in a rambling conversation: Get to the point.
@alis6581
@alis6581 3 года назад
i feel like it was definitely important but there were parts that could be cut.
@harrisont2004
@harrisont2004 5 лет назад
That “Thonos” quote was taken out of context though. Thanos decided to restart the universe because he realised he simply couldn’t succeed with the avengers in the mix. Also nice star wars/game of thrones reference 😂
@antonak4763
@antonak4763 5 лет назад
Harrison T Exactly what I thought too. He honestly did a Cinemasins here by leaving out some important details in order to fool/manipulate the audience. Before "Thonos" says that he will use the stones to wipe out all life he also says this: "I thought by eliminating half of life, the other half would thrive. But you've shown me, that's impossible." This means that he has the same motivation as Thanos.
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 5 лет назад
I mean he could have just killed half of the universe again, but this time making sure that all the avengers are included in that half.
@purik026
@purik026 5 лет назад
@@lonestarr1490 But the reason why killing off half the universe never worked out as Thanos imagined is not because of the Avengers. By saying "But you've shown me, that's impossible." he is not directly referencing them as the sole reason his plan didn't work. He is basically saying that the Avengers are a representation of humanity. By going through numerous struggles just to obtain the stones and reverse the effects of The Snap, they have proven to him that humanity will never understand his ways and will do whatever it takes to go back to its previous state. In his book ungrateful creatures like that have no place in his new world and thus he wants to wipe the slate clean. That, funnily enough, ties into why Thanos is so different in Endgame. It is not that the character was changed or flattened. He has always had a classic case of a God complex. However, while in Infinity War we see the story through the lens of his pwn inflated ego, in Endgame we see it through everyone else's. While in his eyes he is righteous and the universe's last hope, in reality he is nothing more than a raging egomaniac with access to unlimited power.
@castigousmetamageus8356
@castigousmetamageus8356 5 лет назад
@@lonestarr1490 It didn't not work only because of the avengers but because everyone that remained (at least on earth) was miserable. It didn't end in utopia for anyone.
@maximeteppe7627
@maximeteppe7627 5 лет назад
@@castigousmetamageus8356 ooh you just gave me an idea. So in another comment I said that I would keep a fairly slow first act, but avoid the thonos issue by keep original thanos alive. He's imprisoned and hannibal lecters various characters, a living reminder of their failure. It builds the motivation for the final confrontations: for the avengers to bring back people, but also allows thanos to realize that people won't move on, and that he has to redo the entire creation for life to prosper according to his wishes. Ant-man finding out the post-snap world on his own was fairly strong, so i'm not sure I would change the rat thing too much. Anyways, OG Thanos escapes his prison and while the avengers go fetch the infinity stones, he also goes to meet his younger self to recover his army (he only has two vials of pym particles, and cannot go after every stone, so recovering his army and bring it to the present is the most logical move). they avengers now have more of a ticking clock than before, cause they know thanos at large. Thanos & Thonos have a debate over which of them has to lead, thanos kills thonos in a duel meant to keep balance intact. The third act is pretty much the same, except Thanos's update to his motivations have been clearly established from much earlier.
@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842
Endgame has a villain. Grief.
@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842
Loss. Inadequacy. Despair. Anger. Denial. And these aren't ones you can mobilize against easily.
@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842
Now, a second chance at final battle for half of all life in the universe and undoing of Thanos' damage is cheesy, unrealistic and the same times - expected. But, somehow I didn't feel, like it had invalidated first act of the movie. I don't believe would have worked with a bad guy.
@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842
After some more thought I wanted to add, that what happens later in the movie is 50% fan service and the 50% is exploration of the same questions as in the first act, but in different situations. The challenges aren't _physical,_ but they _are_ challenges.
@rickblaine9670
@rickblaine9670 5 лет назад
Yes, and it would be a great villain in a Woody Allen movie. But an Avengers movie is still first and foremost action, and it needs an immediate threat to push the plot forward. Then the immediate threat can represent grief on a thematic level, but it still needs to be there and be in direct conflict with the heroes. Look at Age of Ultron. I'm not particularly fond of that movie, but it doesn't have the Endgame problem at all: Ultron is both the symbol of Tony Stark's fear AND the giant mass murderer the Avengers have to save the world from.
@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842
@@rickblaine9670 Dunno. First two Avengers movies didn't work for me at all. Ultron might've been a symbol of Tony's fear and murderous robot - it didn't help the movie any. At least - for me. For better or worse, Marvel movies aren't just action movies. Instead they branch out into many different genres. Spy thriller? Heist? Coming of age story? That trend would likely continue. Some would like a particular experiment, some would hate it. It's not hard to find people with diametrically opposed views on almost any single MCU movie.
@Neoyugi
@Neoyugi 3 года назад
I just thought it was the idea that seeing himself winning made thonos extremely arrogant.
@Sigart
@Sigart 4 года назад
"But at this point I care so much about these characters I would happily watch them play golf for an hour" I feel so attacked right now XDD
@dblevins343
@dblevins343 3 года назад
Attacked? Why?
@cringyhuman3210
@cringyhuman3210 3 года назад
Because he is also one of them
@TheDeathmail
@TheDeathmail 3 года назад
But here is the thing... that doesn't make it any less good. Sure, the slow scene revolved around us seeing the other films and loving the characters.... but this IS a sequel... this is a part of a series... So you shouldn't feel attacked or feel like that's a valid point against the movie. In fact, it's the opposite... it's a strong point of the movie...
@slevinchannel7589
@slevinchannel7589 3 года назад
Yeah, ok, but Thanos with an ‚A’ is also a Dum-Dum? People analysed his Original Plan with the ‚Snap’ and realized: Oh, what a Dum-Dum.
@mattcrowell903
@mattcrowell903 5 лет назад
Hey Filmento, I've stumbled upon your videos and find most of them pretty interesting and entertaining to watch, but that being said I don't think this video is as tight nit as some of your other work for a few reasons. 1. I find it a bit funny for you to say that Thanos has always been an 'active character' when for the past 10 + years of films he's been sitting on a floating throne allowing others to do his work for him. It was only until Infinity war when he HAD to step in and even then he still sent most of his minions to do the work. If 'Squidward' had gotten the necklace off of Strange we would have never had the fight on Titan, if the Avenger's hadn't shown up at the train station Midnight would have gotten Vision and the mind stone. Most of the gems he had to get were because his minions failed him and he HAD to act. 2. I think adding a secondary antagonist at this late in the game in a movie that, whether we like it or not, is a second part to Infinity war would be so jarring as a moviegoer. We would have to flesh him/her out and give them motivation, a purpose and so on and so forth or they would be a simple D list marvel villain like many of the movie villains before. At least for me, I would find it just as contrived as the 'rat' scene that suddenly a new villain shows up out of nowhere in the final movie of the OG Avengers. 3. Saying that Thonos irradicating the universe and then rebuild it isn't something the real Thanos would do is, in my opinion, a poor critique. The reason this younger Thanos is prepared to wipe out the whole universe and start again is that the OG Thanos did that already and the younger one sees how it has brought him to the current predicament he is in right now. I think it would be very confusing if the past Thanos merely was like, "When I get the Gauntlet, I'll do the exact same thing that my future self will do!" He saw that his plan left those who would want to revert his actions, so why not clear the board and start from scratch? You also bring up that Thanos never got any development in Endgame but he doesn't have to, this is the same Thanos we saw in Infinity War but REacting to the Avenger's plans instead of acting as he did before. He had the ball in his court during IW, he had a response for everything and was ready to plow through them all, whereas in Endgame he knew nothing about it and had to react to what they were planning on doing. He doesn't need to talk about his daughter or his homeworld in this one because we already saw who he was in IW, why bring it up again other than to reiterate what we already know? And you just saying 'that's not how that works,' doesn't discount that this is still the Thanos we knew in IW but younger and reacting to a whole new set of circumstances. 4. He didn't use the stones to destroy the stones for no reason, he destroyed them so the Avengers could never use them to change back what he did, so I guess you could say he DID destroy them because he knew SOMEONE would come after them, that being the Avengers. I'll grant him doing it after two days is arbitrary but would it have made the movie better if they said he destroyed it a week ago because he thought that would be the best time? or maybe a month from then so it would be on his birthday? Does it really matter when he destroyed it? Honestly, that's the smartest thing he could have done and if Ant-Man wasn't saved by that glorious rat he would have gotten away with it. 5. Speaking of rat, I think most people have a certain amount of leeway they will give a movie when it comes to contrivances and conveniences, sometimes you're able to look past them and sometimes you can't. If that rat hadn't pressed those buttons Ant-man would have been trapped in that realm forever and there would be no movie; that's true...but, I could say the same for many moments in the MCU. If that bomb that landed at Stark's feet had actually been an effective bomb he would have died instead of becoming Iron Man, if the plane landing in the frozen ocean actually killed Cap we wouldn't have Captain America in the present/future and there would be no other Captain America movies. I know mine could seem like a stretch but honestly, it only matters as to what degree you find them annoying, I thought it was stupid that the rat freed him but I saw it as a small moment that didn't really ruin the movie. 6. The pacing problem only seems to be a problem if we look at this movie as a stand-alone movie and not a 'Part 2' to a two-parter finale for the MCU, there's a reason that when the movies were announced they were called "Infinity wars part 1 and 2'. Now, could they have done some stuff to make it feel less bloated in some areas? I won't deny that but I think it was nice to see how the people of the world and the Avengers are dealing with the universe-spanning genocide the just had. 7. I wouldn't say that Nebula connecting to her future self is arbitrary, we've never been given any reason not to believe something like this could or couldn't happen. We know very little of what goes on with the inner workings of Nebula so saying it's arbitrary isn't exactly right. Convenient? Yes. Arbitrary? No. 8. You say that everything is too easy in the time travel arc and yet you point out several moments that cause conflict and problems, Hawkeye and Black widow, Stark losing the Tecceract thanks to the Hulk, Cap facing his former self, and you forgot Nebula being captured and kicking off the whole third act! There's plenty of conflict and issues that the team have to face off against. I am guessing you mean more of an antagonistic threat but not every threat as to be solely forced by an antagonist. Hell, you brought up a movie in your previous analysis that doesn't have a main antagonist and that's the original Back to the Future, Marty is sent back in time by Doc Brown and he just needs to make sure his mom and dad get together, they didn't need a villain for it and yet it still felt compelling by having small conflicts and an overarching plot. Their small conflicts caused a ripple effect that brought the larger, antagonistic conflict to their timeline. 9. Your 'biggest' point against this Thonos is that his driving motivation is non-existent but that is just plain wrong, his motivation is said in the movie! When he sees through Nebula that his plan is realized and the Avengers are trying to stop it, he travels to the present to stop that from happening. Once the Avengers bring back everyone, he sees that leaving half of the world alive would only cause more problems for him so he changes his plan, to start fresh! He realizes his first plan won't work and changes it accordingly, and you say there's no development. 10. Just like in IW, he sees himself as destiny, that's why he says, "I am inevitable." because you can "dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same and now it's here, or should I say I am." Him seeing his future self accomplish his goals only bolsters his feeling of being destiny. 11. I don't think Thanos is a hero, or rather, I don't think Thanos cares if people think of him as a 'hero' all he cares about is that he is right! He sees himself as right! And he still does in this version of himself. That's why he does what he does and is still steadfast in his conviction. I still very much enjoy your channel and I hope this doesn't come off as an attack or anything but I just felt like this video wasn't your strongest, I still find your work to be quite entertaining though and look forward too more of your videos in the future.
@crasyman101
@crasyman101 5 лет назад
Nebulas brain is on a network. So her connecting to her past self network is sort of like walking by your ex's house and connecting to their WiFi
@cdgconverselimbo6505
@cdgconverselimbo6505 5 лет назад
Hell I wanted to write a comment buuut then I saw yours lol. Yeah I really agree with almost all of your points the only exemption being the whole rat thing. While yeah random things occur all the time in the MCU & in the comics and the whole idea of superheroes is kinda based upon that, that random things can happen and you can become a superhero and since random things happen to everyone that is, imo, what makes ist so beautiful in the first place. Yet I don’t think this should be a formula for making a movie or a period of one. I think the whole rat thing could’ve been written a lot better than make it a mere coincidence. I can’t really think of one right now but I’m not a screen writer either lol. Other than that I fully agree with you.
@awesomechainsaw
@awesomechainsaw 5 лет назад
I like your points but my point while watching the Van scene is why didn’t someone press the button far sooner? Like your telling me that the person who found the van was not curious as to what any of the buttons did? That no one thought to fiddle with it.
@cdgconverselimbo6505
@cdgconverselimbo6505 5 лет назад
John Smith True, true
@neo06m2003
@neo06m2003 5 лет назад
Wow all good point!
@eyesofthecervino3366
@eyesofthecervino3366 5 лет назад
I . . . I actually really liked the way they did Thanos in Endgame. I didn't see it as a betrayal of his established character so much as a revelation of his true nature. Thanos says he's saving the universe, and I think he believes it, but at the same time his actions don't always *quite* mesh with his stated ideals. He claims to be motivated by mercy and benevolence, but he clearly enjoys messing with people (specifically, he enjoys having total power over others) -- first, when he takes the time to bare-knuckle box with the Hulk (which Maw explicitly says is for fun), and later when he *completely unnecessarily* torments both Starlord and Gamorra, forcing Starlord to have to choose to kill her before revealing that he himself was in control the whole time. My feeling about Thanos is that he's a lot like . . . ***SERIOUS DEATH NOTE SPOILERS*** (Skip to bottom for good, old-fashioned Endgame spoilers) . . . Light Yagami, who claims to be sacrificing himself to make a better world, but in reality is just a psychopathic serial killer with a literal god complex. He uses and betrays the people who trust him without a trace of remorse -- in fact, he pretty clearly enjoys what he's doing, one time going so far as to tell his victim who he was -- just so he could see her reaction when she realized she was going to die. In summary, my impression of Thanos is that he's basically an exaggerated take on an abusive parent figure -- most easily seen by his relationship with his "children," most notably Nebula. He claims to act on others' behalf, to be making the"grown up" decisions that no one else can or will, but *every time* he encounters resistance (with the apparent exception of Gamorra) he reacts with vengeful spite, the hallmark of a bruised pride. So it's hardly any surprise that when Thanos encounters defiance -- in his mind, *ungratefulness* for his salvation -- that he immediately reverts to punishing, stripping down, and rebuilding the universe *just like he's been doing to Nebula all along.* (I promised myself I was done rambling, but I have one thing left to add: this side of Thanos is why he destroys the stones in the first place. He originally thought he would settle for wiping out half of all life, but once he found himself alone with his thoughts he realized that the temptation to keep using them would inevitably be too great. He doesn't destroy them to protect us from some other villain. He destroys them to protect us from *himself.*
@reganator5000
@reganator5000 5 лет назад
I think it also makes perfect sense how he works in endgame- at this point he's seen that he succeeds, he's seen that he can do what he plans to do, what he thinks is right, and from his perspective, he sees everyone else in denial over it, after he gave everything to help them. I mean, sure, past thanos might not have done it yet, but present thanos really did give everything to 'save' the universe. He only needs to do anything at all because they found a way to undo his lifes work, and hes as pissed off as anyone would be if they sacrificed themselves and everyone they loved to save the universe, only to have some idiots decide that they didn't need saving at all and want to doom it all again. As steve says early in the film, the problem is that the avengers just couldn't move on. Thanos' new universe would be one the same as the old, because he genuinely is attatched to it (its why he wants to save it at all), just minus the memory of him killing half of it. And, to get back at the avengers for literally murdering him in cold blood in front of his child, he'll kill earth before he 'saves' the universe. Breaking earth won't cause any problems long term, given it will be re-made in a few days anyway, and everyone on it will be safe, so the fact that he is doing that for enjoyment is both something he understands and ultimately plans to undo.
@aceyspud551
@aceyspud551 5 лет назад
Shat myself when I read Light Yagami. You've changed how I saw Thanos for the better. Still think it wasn't perfect though.
@mourad505
@mourad505 5 лет назад
Boom. Finally, somebody else who got it. Thank you!
@blammowammo5886
@blammowammo5886 5 лет назад
You have 103 likes. That's quite sad. Shows how many people don't agree.
@MotleyNerd
@MotleyNerd 5 лет назад
The best example of Thanos' true character in Infinity War is directly after he beats down the Hulk. When he kills Loki for failing him. Throughout the film, Thanos makes all these claims about how he wants to save the universe, how he's helping people, how he thinks he's being merciful. But in this one moment, we see the true Thanos: A tyrannical madman who derives *physical* pleasure from literally strangling the life out of someone, to the point where it makes him audibly exhale from the endorphin rush. That was *always* the intention.
@theuniverse7227
@theuniverse7227 5 лет назад
I think Thanos’ character was different on purpose. The new Thanos learns that he eventually gets the stones at some point. This takes away any doubt from his mind. He becomes over confident and cocky. His pride is what causes his downfall in endgame. In infinity war, Thanos had no way of knowing if he’d get all the stones. Yes, he was confident, but there may have been some shred of doubt in him. This is why he came off as more calculated and smart. He had no choice but to think of ways that he could get the stones creativity. There was no ego to get in the way. In endgame, his ego gets in the way of his true plans. He now feels entitled to the stones.
@r-pupz7032
@r-pupz7032 5 лет назад
Agree completely :)
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 5 лет назад
Also, he destroys the stones so NO-ONE else can ever use them, and UNDO what he has done... (leaving aside if he'd ever have to REPEAT the same feat when population rises again...)
@jesseburgener442
@jesseburgener442 5 лет назад
Plus, he never suffered the loss of Gamora, so he didn't share the empathy (such as sparing Stark and the Avengers when they attacked him in Wakanda) that IW Thanos learned.
@USMCasper
@USMCasper 5 лет назад
So when Strange was looking through time he saw one where all of this BS happened? Where they waited on a random rat?
@jayjayx5x1
@jayjayx5x1 5 лет назад
One big issue with that..... thanos was like he was in infinity war for his whole life, you don’t just change your life goals on a whim. If they wrote him properly he would stop them from getting the stones. Or he would wait until he gets the stones in his timeline (because he knows he will) and then do the same thing, while also using them to erase their actions in bringing everyone back, and make his current timeline the main one. And probably kill all the avengers so they can’t go back in time.... or just kill the rat.
@imAreyz
@imAreyz 3 года назад
"Thonos" is a more comic accurate version of thanos, not better just more comic accurate.
@bobcartwright7476
@bobcartwright7476 3 года назад
The most comic accurate would be the one one from the Avengers end credit scene who slyly looked at the camera in a "that's what I'm talkin' about" way when he was warned to pick on Earth was to "court Death."
@ayylmao8375
@ayylmao8375 3 года назад
That doesn’t matter. The movies already had their own Thanos and that’s the version they should have worked with in the sequel.
@dollie2281
@dollie2281 2 года назад
yeah honestly sounds more right to me
@kungalexander829
@kungalexander829 2 года назад
@@ayylmao8375 that thanos is pretty useless now since he already served the purpose How is a retired farmer that dont care anything anymore would be a perfect villain? A much more aggresive and younger thanos is much more
@lokeshr8580
@lokeshr8580 5 лет назад
I liked your previous video thumbnail. This one, not so much.
@hewhomustnotbenamed5912
@hewhomustnotbenamed5912 5 лет назад
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@optimusprime8609
@optimusprime8609 5 лет назад
Ye the previous one made me nut so damn hard primus Elizabeth Olsen is just a beauty to the world that we don't deserve 😍
@hewhomustnotbenamed5912
@hewhomustnotbenamed5912 5 лет назад
@@optimusprime8609 I've never heard of anyone using the words nut and a beauty in the same sentence. Truly a progressive man that recognizes the direct connection between the 2.
@nemanjacabarkapalordozunu
@nemanjacabarkapalordozunu 5 лет назад
@@hewhomustnotbenamed5912 Well why not ???
@hewhomustnotbenamed5912
@hewhomustnotbenamed5912 5 лет назад
@@nemanjacabarkapalordozunu I just haven't heard anyone using those words.
@dammagrilla
@dammagrilla 5 лет назад
Easy explanation for Thanos waiting would be to gain enough energy/strength to snap his fingers again... The first snap hurt him pretty badly and while he was willing to die he wasn't trying to kill himself.
@TheCowHerder1
@TheCowHerder1 5 лет назад
Actually the directors said the snap process was completely 50% random. So Thanos himself was included in the snap lotto
@raidenjeskar2823
@raidenjeskar2823 5 лет назад
@@TheCowHerder1 no. If he was he wouldve just died. Not been hurt
@raidenjeskar2823
@raidenjeskar2823 5 лет назад
@@TheCowHerder1 did you even watch the endgame movie? He was harmed because he was holding the ultimate conduits of cosmic power in his hand and unleashing it.
@danielgalbeaza7021
@danielgalbeaza7021 5 лет назад
@@TheCowHerder1 That seems like a massive hole in Thanos' plan. If he were to turn into dust right then in Wakanda, the Avengers could just take the stones and use them to bring everyone back except Thanos.
@TheCowHerder1
@TheCowHerder1 5 лет назад
Again. The directors said themselves. Also the dusting didnt happen right away. It took some time after the snap for people to start disappearing
@mattbrown1897
@mattbrown1897 4 года назад
But the worst part of the movie was: Professor Hulk. Not even his own distinct personality, just Mark Ruffalo on steriods.
@ianpage2509
@ianpage2509 4 года назад
That’s a tricky one, mainly because most of the Hulk Banner stories are about two people one body.
@joejitsu034
@joejitsu034 3 года назад
I agree. They really needed a Hulk redemption scene in Endgame. A missed opportunity
@waynedas873
@waynedas873 3 года назад
@@joejitsu034 I agree. The whole point of The Hulk is that his power grows as he gets angrier, but he also loses control. Bruce is the brain, Hulk is the brawn. Once Bruce learns to accept his anger and gains control of the Hulk he is supposed to be at his strongest, but he does nothing in Endgame. Tony is the brains, instead of Bruce. And Antman is the gigantic brute strength instead of the Hulk. Whereas in the comics Hulk literally gets strong enough to destroy planets with a punch, in Endgame he might as well not be there.
@fourmoyle
@fourmoyle 3 года назад
@@joejitsu034 They needed a Hulk redemption scene in the first Hulk film.
@joshual3486
@joshual3486 3 года назад
He is his own personality though. He's like Bruce but much, much more optimistic and confident. Watch the scene where the ancient one astral projects him back to Bruce, he completely changes
@kieran10202
@kieran10202 5 лет назад
I'm just waiting for the reveal that Noobmaster69 is actually the Grandmaster
@akosleoszilagyi2529
@akosleoszilagyi2529 5 лет назад
Or Loki. Or Jane. Or Darryl.
@lugbzurg8987
@lugbzurg8987 5 лет назад
People keep vying for Deadpool.
@TheSixthDoctor
@TheSixthDoctor 5 лет назад
Sorry, can't agree with you on this one at all. "Thonos" motivation isn't non-existent. He sees what he achieves in the prime timeline but notices that people, instead of being thankful to their saviour, keep hanging on to the idea of the universe as it was before. That means his plan was flawed from the beginning. "Thonos" can see that now. Basically, he is addressing what people have been debating about after Infinity War - whether his plan made sense or not, that halving the population of the universe would only make for a temporary respite, that making more resources would lead to further population growth, exacerbating the problem, and so on. "Thonos" gets this now. He notices that the plan as it was brought misery over the universe because people do not simply adapt and move on. So he goes for the "clean slate" approach. Wiping the whole universe out and recreating it in a controlled manner. He'd become the "intelligent designer" of a universe without flaw. Literally God. He puts it "A grateful universe, not knowing what they've been given" and Cap responds by saying "Born out of blood." This time, the plan was foolproof, it would work. But the cost would be the whole of current existence. Also, "Thonos" is still the same as he was up until "Guardians of the Galaxy", his backstory applies to him as well as his IW self. He just finally course corrects, see above. And the fact that the movie doesn't have a villain for two hours I can agree with, but not that you think that devalues it. It's dealing with the consequences of Infinity War. Thanos' work is done, killing him changes nothing. He doesn't need to be alive for the Avengers trying to fix the universe. It's practically the same as the ending of Watchmen, where the Crimebusters arrive too late to stop Ozymandias' plan. It's already done, now everyone has to live with it.
@mmjf674
@mmjf674 5 лет назад
I agree with you on the thonos part...It's a new better plan... And I've only watched the movie once so far but I now think that the "dullness" of the first and Second act might be a way to convey how everyone in that universe is feeling. Lost, alone, without enough willpower to do anything...it might just be a flawed movie planning but it could also mean that the movie watcher is supposed to get into that specific mind set... At least in my opinion... But I must agree with filmento on the rat... That really was a rather cheap way out...there were so many fan theories which would have been so much better... And could have easily been explained if you offered some of the time they spent on "dull" scenes to it.
@TheSixthDoctor
@TheSixthDoctor 5 лет назад
@@mmjf674 You don't think in five years time in a warehouse, a rat could happen to sit on a button that turns on the quantum tunnel? Five years is a long time, I didn't think it was too illogical.
@mmjf674
@mmjf674 5 лет назад
@@TheSixthDoctor ita not illogical. Its just not cinematic...and I kinda expected more... But sure in can happen...that wasn't the problem. Just after all the fan theories it seemed anticlimactic
@TheSixthDoctor
@TheSixthDoctor 5 лет назад
@@mmjf674 Why does a rat setting Scott free by bumbling over some controls need to be cinematic? It's a stroke of pure luck in a desperate situation and it sets off the plot for the movie. This is setup, the end battle and Hulk and Tony being able to snap everyone back into/Thanos' army out of existence is the cinematic payoff.
@mmjf674
@mmjf674 5 лет назад
@@TheSixthDoctor Yeah the solution works...from start to finish and it did take five years for a rat to relase Scott by accident. It's just it wasn't satisfying for me.... Its totally fine if it was for you. Like I said....fan theories had kinda hyped my expectation of the thing... But then it was by sheer luck...I don't know. For ME it would have been cooler if it had been sth about the quantum realm or sth that is not obvious from the very start...but that's just a personal opinion..
@lieutenantbites5739
@lieutenantbites5739 4 года назад
"Why can't they just go back into the past and fix it?" This was explained in the movie. Going back in time doesn't change YOUR time line, your past has already happened. Instead it creates a new timeline entirely. Endgame worked because they didn't go back in time to kill Thanos before he could snap, they went back in time to get the stones so they could reverse the snap. SPOILERS AHEAD This is why Black Widow's death is permanent. They can't just go back and stop her once they beat Thanos, she's already dead.
@lieutenantbites5739
@lieutenantbites5739 4 года назад
I suppose they could go back and take Widow back to the future with them, but A that's assuming she'd willingly go and B it'd create a new timeline where they never got the soul stone, creating a new universe doomed from the start. "We don't trade lives, cap."
@nicholasspruitenburg2809
@nicholasspruitenburg2809 4 года назад
No they couldn't do that in the first place. Once you take an action it is your past and you can't change that. Which is why Loki escaping didn't cause further issues, he is in a new timeline where he escaped. Going to where Natasha went to stop her would only prevent the reverse of the snap and create another timeline where they failed to reverse the snap.
@libraalibaba
@libraalibaba 4 года назад
@@nicholasspruitenburg2809 And the cycle continues.
@Cheesusful
@Cheesusful 4 года назад
In fact filmento said immediately afterwards why they can't go back and change everything in the future... Because of branching timelines, the past you change won't be your own. He says cop out, I say elegant solution.
@dblevins343
@dblevins343 3 года назад
I'm personally not a fan of multiple time lines. I never have been. But, the multiverse has been around d for a long time. I just kind of hoped they'd never bring it to the MCU. For me it lowers the stakes when a character dies. For instance, we really did lose Gamora but now we just have a new one. Im personally not a fan of that. Im much more of a fan of time travel as it is used in Tenet and Harry Potter where you interact with your own time-line.
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