Aviation Expert Analyzes Flight Path of Kobe Bryant’s Helicopter | NBC10 Philadelphia 

You escape death everyday. Thats why some people never do high risk things in order to minimize their chances. And thats what makes high risk takers, take more risk.

AMEN.....BROTHER I REALLY NEEDED TO HEAR THAT FROM SOMEBODY

@Haley Owens. As well as sticking to a previously established stance or position. Both are equally, stunningly true. Each decision has kind of its own butterfly effect, its determinations and possibilities, at multiple scales. We have to figure a way through. Thank you for the comment.

what if I tell you that they killed Kobe? it takes two to three years to plan this. I feel really bad about the pilot. those souls have no idea someone rig Kobes helicopter. they just don't care whoever rides with him. too bad that her daughter was there. when money works. whoever you are, you will going down. - iluminati

@@prokopyoespasol3304 idiot

I doubt we ever will. It will just add to the suspicion

I don't think it will be necessary either.

I agree. He heard 2 or 3 replies from the pilot we couldnt hear.

There were multiple air traffic controllers talking to him at different phases. They will all be interviewed. I doubt they'll have anything revealing to say. The most crucial part of the mystery is the last minute of flight or so. The NTSB will determine the cloud height from photos people took. They might possibly retrieve some computer data from the avionics (not likely given the post crash fire)

Because NTSB is still investigating.

Ok so go on The gruond Safe but not fly in The Mountain

That’s what IFR is. Your relying solely on instruments and not your vision.

Hmmmm, Also I'm guessing this PILOT, was not aware of the EQUIPMENT that was in this AIR CRAFT, and maybe just not having any experience flying in the fog, I mean how often does it get that foggy in LA, especially that DENSE!!!

How do you know he wasn’t using the force?

Jeff Baker Like I said he turned off the instruments and used the force.

Ok guy...more important things going on right now boomer

Yeah wtf. If this was the other way around NBC would be issuing a copyright strike without hesitation. Vasaviation should do the same.

Credit imbecile Ara for killing everyone.

@@DoctorSpicy the only "imbecile" is you for drawing conclusions without all the facts you idiot. It very well could have been pilot error, or a sudden drop could have been mechanical fail, or maybe a seagull got in one of the propeller blades or maybe kobe through a water bottle at him. We won't know for sure for months dumazz

Yeah to pimp this fake shit

I know that it isn't ideal, but in the kind of conditions he was flying in, the moment he can no longer visually see the freeway that he said he was going to follow, he should park the thing.

Is it true that this pilot was CFii (cert. flight instr. instructor)? Just so tragic and shocking.

Also, can't help but remember SoCal asking pilots intentions at one point; like there was confusion.

Yep. Should've cancelled the basketball game. Even if there's a chance of fog it's not worth the risk. I just hope others learn from this tragedy. Personally I wouldn't live in LA because of the insane traffic. But that's just me.

@@samboslc yeah I agree intentions on what at that point it was a life or death situation the controller could hear him while we couldnt on the recording? He knew his intentions cause he could hear we were the ones that couldn't!!

❤

You're too nice to do that. You deserve more credit.

Hello

They did put VASAviation all over their news report. I was surprised yesterday when I saw the video had over 5 million views.

Thanks for not complaining. 🐰

Exactly, that pilot didn't make an executive aka final decision. Ppl's lives didn't become his #1 priority. I wonder was he trying 2 impress KB bc that's his rich clientele. I wonder did any of those grown adults with kids speak up.

It's difficult for all of us and tragic and hard we r all entitled to ur opinions however what if how about its very horrible n teagic im devastated myself #Giannamambalive4everkobe#

many pilots get fired when they dont do what theyre told and you're presuming the pilot was in error, which is pretty stupid. most likely is there was a mechanical issue. Period

@@JP-in4zq God knows best the damage is sadly already done whatever the cause is now we all have to keep the remaining families in our prayers and hope to God social media post don't wreck them.God keep them all safe..sigh.

Uhmmm...he didn't want to admit that the plane dropped...hence, the lost signal from the pilot to the tower. Yesterday, the last one way contact clearly stated the helicopter was too low. It's clear that they dropped right after the pass to the last tower....why the sudden drop?

@Woo Choi He still gets paid way more than you loser

I agree!

I concur, i get it. I like the way he's explaining it to us I understand it better I think. But I'm still heartbroken for all thee passengers on board the Helicopter, especially the three babies (young girls 😥😥😥)

Absolutely. Not trying to embellish or add unnecessary commentary. He should be the go-to for this kind of interpretation.

Do you think climate change has anything to do with this unusual weather?

Ok But Pilot didnt know what to do ? Fly Safe on The gruond or fly right in The Mountain?!..

Lol, not according to Umar Johnson. SMH

Agreed! I live in Orange County and on the night before Sunday morning (sat 25)fog was extremely heavy around 10pm which seemed very unusual to me given the fact that we don’t get fog that heavy especially at night. I couldn’t even see my neighbors homes. I could only imagine how much heavier it was in the hills of Calabasas

@Umbuko DaJuko he flew into the fog it did NOT appear out of nowhere.

@Robyn Mancell, have you flown a helicopter before?

terry shutt What you Posted makes sense. I saw videos of just how thick that fog was, it was Marine Fog, the Pacific Ocean was on the other side of those ridges. Why he decided to fly into the mess is beyond me. As you said he flew into the fog, became lost, lost his orientation, and crashed. Apparently he "thought" he was over the 101 freeway, but he was not. A bad decision on his part got everyone killed.

@@ThePriceisRight4094D Sometimes The ridges were fogged in. Marine Fog is thick and doesn't dissipate like radiation fog.

@@johnadams5489 yep, like San Diego, pea soup!

@George Martin He was with the charter company he worked for 10 years. A Representative of that company said he was the "Head" Pilot. Charter work is spotty. Flying any aircraft has a degree of risk. Anyone that routinely risks the lives of their clientele is not worthy of having a pilot's license. The Press interviewed the Pilot that flew Kobe for years before this last guy and he said that Kobe NEVER Pressured him to fly. The pilot is the one that made the decision to fly or not. That said, after reviewing as many videos I could find in order to get a handle on the conditions at the time, the Clouds along the Coast were as thick as cement. Marine Fog. He didn't leave himself an out. If he had "Get-there-idous", he got everyone killed.

@@johnadams5489 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T6Tiq-y8ZmU.html&feature=share

Well an expert was flying the helicopter too...

Pilot was an expert 👀

I hate to say it, but pilot was an expert, too.

Nobody knows what the deal is until we know if the chopper had any issues

@Umbuko DaJuko and so how many helicopters have you flown?

Raquel Li I so very very much agree with you. For example, like drive to the game instead. This shit still hurt 😢

@@jafree33 it will hurt for a long time

Raquel Li I know. Our deepest sympathies to the families of all of those people who loss their lives that on that awful day.

@Lynn Ann i call it Gods Timing

Me too

Really? You don't think a highly experienced licenced pilot would have done that in a situation that warranted such a response? There were clearly other things going on here.

And the crash occurred on the ground. No flying involved.

Tenerife 😠

Once again pressure to go.Crew was running out of hrs.

2 747’s. Almost happened in Providence way back

Was that the KLM flight in which the pilot was in a rush to take off, which clipped the top of a plane in the ground?

Its all ripped off another you tube channel. NBC10 has infringed copyrights of a You Tuber but thats to be expected of them.

He was scud running and flew VFR into IMC conditions. My guess is spatial disorientation because of the fog and he stalled the helicopter on his 180 degree turn.

Watch mine. I'm the owner of that video they used

@@VASAviation I watched your breakdown when it came about and they really didn't add anything to it.

@@VASAviation Okay, I will. Thanks for letting me know!!

.....VFR, anyway...

@@johfertitta5233 what does that mean?

@@treniesablunt IMC (Instrument Meteorological Conditions) prevailed. He should have been full IFR (Instrument Flight Rules). My guess is he didn't have an Instrument Rating...

The helicopter carrying Kobe Bryant and eight others that crashed into a rugged hillside outside Los Angeles was flying in foggy conditions considered dangerous enough that local police agencies grounded their choppers. They should have never been in the air period... If emergency helicopters were grounded due to conditions so should have been Kobe’s... No exceptions. His pilot should have never agreed to take them up.

@@dantheavionicsman6433 I agree with unfortunately it sound like the old cliche money talks everything else get thrown out the window

Janet Stone his analogy and explanation is in correct. He has it wrong. The pilot broke out of the fog to realized he was too close to terrain. The helicopter was traveling too slow for the aggressive left bank he made. Remember a helicopter relay on vertical lift and forward motion. When he banked left under low speed he slipped out and fell to the ground.

Actually the 1-way description is full of assumptions, and possibly 100% wrong. Based on this audio, there's NO indication the pilot ever checked in with SoCal (you would hear SoCal acknowledge that, and we hear ALL of SoCals transmissions). His reasoning of why we dont hear the helicopter could be true, but it's a leap. The fact the pilot changed his transponder code to VFR (1200) indicates he thought he was done receiving ATC services, even though VNY just asked him if he wanted services from SoCal and he said yes. Sorry friends and family of the pilot, but he did poorly here.

Kevin Cady low speed he was going around 150 mph or faster it was reported what are u talking about

Stogie Palace finally someone addresses this, the guy giving the explanation in this video has absolutely no clue what happened

There are "microphones" in the surrounding area? That would record nothing else but birds chirping and the sound of the rotors. That's an "expert" mistake. Did he mean radio receivers? If so, then are there radio transmitters too? Without that ATC might hear what we didn't hear - as this "expert" speculates - but the pilot would have heard ATC, so still no two-way communication. Anyway, it's an interesting theory. He also made the mistake to say the previous ATC was the last one the pilot talked to, then told us the next ATC is talking with the pilot, but we don't hear it... this does not add up. Might be true, but this guy is definitely contradicting himself and using the wrong terms. Maybe he dressed up in that awkward suit to give the impression of being an expert...

Yes I agree with you on this

The helicopter carrying Kobe Bryant and eight others that crashed into a rugged hillside outside Los Angeles was flying in foggy conditions considered dangerous enough that local police agencies grounded their choppers. They should have never been in the air period... If emergency helicopters were grounded due to conditions so should have been Kobe’s... No exceptions. His pilot should have never agreed to take them up.

Isn’t it also possible this was not CFIT and the pilot had lost control of the chopper due to spatial disorientation due to suddenly finding himself in the middle of a cloud. The NTSB has said he ascended and turned in an attempt to get out of the cloud cover. Shortly after there was a very rapid descent which could also be consistent with him having lost control. That’s not hard to do in a helicopter when pilot doesn’t have adequate visual feedback and is essentially flying without instruments in IFR conditions. Of course we’re all speculating, but if I’m understanding this correctly there’s no clear evidence he just flew it into the side of a mountain or something.

@@embeth446 The copter still has an altimeter. If he is disoriented, why make a sudden left bank decent at 2000ft per minute and at 185mph?

Yes, even without a ground warning system, an altimeter should have given him at least a sense of how close he was to the ground. Also, from the tone of the ATC’s voice, it doesn’t sound like he’s getting any responses from the helicopter during the last seconds.

They used vasaviation RU-vid's channel video. He had that video up b4 anyone. Go to his channel.

I was

@@VASAviation I got you my brother. Gotta tell em the truth. Gotta give you the thanks for putting that up.

I go to Vasa whenever there is a crash anywhere, he;s so good and fast!

Good cover up huh. Smdh

He sounds somewhat nervous to me

I was driving in NJ one night on my way to pick someone up. I was in the Palisades but I never drove over there so I was not familiar with the weather conditions nor the roads. That night on the ground you could not see two feet in front of you. The fog was so low the only thing you could see was maybe a foot off the ground and follow the yellow line. Coming up behind me was obviously someone who lived out there because they were driving way faster than I was. So I pulled over and let them pass and I said I'll follow them so it wouldn't be so bad. I kid you not I saw them pump their brakes twice and then the disappeared. I followed the route to get where I was going and when I did, I realized I was on hillside because my ears became unclogged. I picked up the person I was meeting and I told him coming over was very difficult because of the fog he said "yeah it gets like that sometimes but don't worry I'll navigate you" I was like ok. First right he told me to take I was like this is where I just came from. When we started going back up and got engulfed in the fog his exact words were "DAMN THIS IS THICK, I've never seen it this bad before". This was on the ground! I live in NY and sometime last year there was this professional idr wether he was a doctor, lawyer, firefighter but he was not a pilot by trade. He learned to fly and had his own copter. We had some very heavy fog for NY and according to reports trying to navigate through it he became disoriented and crashed on top of one of the highrise buildings in Manhattan. I will not assume and say this is exactly what happened but I will not be surprised at all if this is what happened to this pilot. Expertise or not you have to know your limitations. Unfortunately the lives lost that day will not be able to be returned to us in a physical form but will be there watching over us as this should be a lesson taught at a heavy expense to all.

BAD He actually sounds calm save for the one part where he’s told to hover because of air traffic. He sounds frustrated there.

@@badddd Sounds a little annoyed at being told to hold over Glendale...

Rafael Monzon well said. You can’t beat Mother Nature

foreal! so many unanswered questions

holio if I would like to hear from the last air controller it is my business because I wanna know but what’s not your business is worrying about my request. The air controller can hopefully ease the unknown for his family friends and fans and that’s on that!

They didn’t. The real question is whether or not they knew it was coming

I think it happened too quickly for them to have registered pain but I also think they knew there was something wrong.

True..maybe an instant of that somethings wrong feeling..but it was probably to quick..pilot couldnt see and flying through clouds..and WAM! hit the side of the mountain.

I would have said let’s drive instead. I’m freaked out by small planes and helicopters. They flew to Thousand Oaks almost every weekend and it sounds like they had flown there the day before on Saturday for a tournament. The pilot thought he could handle it. Kobe had flown by helicopter hundreds of times. They didn’t stop and think about it. It’s like they forgot they were taking a risk in that weather.

Kobe frequently used a helicopter for short distances like to the staples center while he was a laker. I cant help but think what a huge risk he was taking every time he did that but he was a known risk taker

That weather looked like hell coming down for real. But maybe from where they started it didn’t look like this.

@@LysetteOne Like it was their habit to fly like this. That's what I'm thinking - they didn't check weather conditions.

Robin Krop Yes, I agree. The pilot probably flew in foggy conditions many times. These clouds were lower to the ground and they were at the most terrain filled area of the trip. Dangerous combination.

I'm gonna say out of respect for family maybe

Or they could be hiding something. Smh

Right all of the most important conversation is not recorded 🤔 ....really

@@deebopheng8424 No black box on the heli. Nothing to hide here. Not everything is a conspiracy.

rail33 Taterman07 that’s bc it’s bullshit

about the pilot

I have been wondering why the helicopter suddenly descended too. Maybe the pilot lost consciousness or had a heart attack or panic attack?

Your assessment is EXACTLY correct. He became spatially disoriented in the Layer, turned it upside down, and drove it into the ground...

He likely didn’t sound panicked because he couldn’t see the danger they were in, which is exactly the point. He didn’t know, hence wasn’t concerned. Plus, they nearly cleared hitting that mountain by 20/30ft which suggests they likely hit nearer the top and rolled down, as opposed to hitting the bottom as you suggest. Have a nice day :)

Pilot maybe had a medical condition?

@@sgtkiko ....what is this, a JOKE? ...

An accident waiting to happen. I live near JW, Airport. up early going to church, the fog was very heavy. Should have never been in a copter. The pilot made the mistake to fly and killed these people. Traveling in unknown territory, following the freeways to stay away from the surrounding mountains...like flying blindfolded, He got disoriented and slammed into the mountain. Didn't know what hit em. 150 miles per hr impact. He had the money for all the bells and whistles for warning to put on this copter. Traffic was slow on Sun morning... take a limo...

SVFR traffic is not authorized to use the HOV Lane...

@@johfertitta5233 you are trying to be funny, my comment assumed that all mine people could have traveled by passenger motor vehicle in HOV lane, I didn't imply the impossible that helicopters can travel in HOV lane, this brilliance is all your own

@Wire haired Dachshund you fail to notice that this flight originated from John Wayne airport, which is 47 seconds drive from 405 freeway. Save your banter until you get some clue. People do what they want and chose including killing themselves.

@@jeanjones1846 not the pilots fault

J B True. You can never anticipate sudden tragedies like this. Remind someone you love them today.

An accident waiting to happen. I live near JW, Airport. up early going to church, the fog was very heavy. Should have never been in a copter. The pilot made the mistake to fly and killed these people. Traveling in unknown territory, following the freeways to stay away from the mountains... He got disoriented and slammed into the mountain. Didn't know what hit em. 150 miles per hr impact. He had the money for all the bells and whistles for warning to put on this copter. Traffic was slow on Sun morning... take a limo...

I read that this particular helicopter was leased by Kobe, but owned by Island Express; and it was not equipped with a moutain terrain warning system. I also read that Sikorsky has developed retro-fit auto-pilot systems for its vehicles. See, Island Express was too cheap to update their fleet. If Kobe owned the vehicle, you know he would have paid for state of the art safety equipment. Profit motives....

Yep. One bad situation with little outs and seconds to make the decision, and hope it's the right one. Anyone can fuck that up. Ina. Tight space, with that big heli, with that altitude and probably 0 Visuals. Man

He was too low the terrain can be as high as the ceiling he instead of going str8 turned a sharp left ran right into the side of the mountain he was clearly disoriented due to fog he was really way too low to be flying over there in that particular area it was a recipe for imminent danger to begin with

I was coming from santa Clarita and around the intersection of the 14 and the 5 freeway it was extremely foggie I couldn't see nothing you become desoriented in a car driving at 7O MPH imagine in a helicopter flying at 180 MPH ,I totally think it was human error ,that model of helicopter has 2 engines and had an amazing relaibility and low accidents.

Van Nuys said it was 2 and a half mile visibility

Exactly... Flyings Was A Bad Decision...Point, Blank.... PERIOD!

This was the part I couldn’t understand. If there was that much fog, why did the pilot never mention it?? The controllers asked about visibility twice if I remember correctly and both times nothing about fog.

He was Special VFR which requires only 1 mile visibility. Still not a good idea to fly that morning with limited visibility into terrain.

Right... this seems fishy like they cut out his audio

So let me get this straight, We could only hear half of the conversation..

Why dont they ask who is the incharge on ATC at that time,cuz he might know whats going on before the crash happen?

deew ekoms What?

KeRon Tucker KeRon, some people are mentally handicapped! More likely this incident is way above their mental capabilities

He didn't know how to go instrument flying. Obviously. The pilot was a moron

I doubt if he had an IFR ticket....

This is exactly why we have TWO pilots: one to glue his eyes to the instrument panel and aviate -- the other to admire the scenery and navigate...

Even if the fog became thick and he lost all bearings, he still has an altimeter. If you suddenly can't see because of thick fog, your reaction is to perform a left bank decent at 2000ft per minute and at 185mph?

Yes you hit it right on i believe he had to drop low to see but the fog was to much

Bill Ruttan yea it does mean that 👍

Not 'could mean'. It means exactly that, and nothing more.

Do you play basketball? Just curious. What's the saddest part to you? RIP Kobe and Gianna

@@thsu8 no I don't. The saddest part to me is the way he died. The fact that he nearly made it to his destination, was so close that his death could of been avoided if they hadn't gone on the helicopter when they did. And the most saddest thing his wife and 3 kids that are never gonna see there father again. He was supwr young and such a lovinf dad that loved his family. RIP Kobe and gianna

Lindsey Martin well said. I agree, so sudden and tragic to die that way. Why was the helicopter going so fast if the pilot couldn’t see??? I don’t even know how Vanessa keeps living. Saddest part for me is that Kobe was still teaching so many people, his girl’s team of course but countless other players. He was actually DOING things and helping people, not like 99% of retired athletes.

@@thsu8 I have a 3 year old born 12 days after kobes daughter bianka and a 9 month old 2 months older then there daughter Capri and my daughter says every day "mummy I want daddy" where's daddy? it's so heartbraking I can't imagine what she's going threw. Loosing her soul mate and daughter all in 1 day in such a tragic way that could of been avoided and how close they were to there destination thats the thing that hits deep the most. I dont personally know her but i do think of her everyday and just pray for her family. Another thing that hits deep too is how dope gianna was at playing basket ball she definatly would of been a little star like her daddy and now the world is never going to see that happen. Her life was taken way too soon and everyone else that was on board, RIP to them all. Can't stop thinking what it must of been like on the helicopter? How scary it must of been for the pilot knowing your in control of everyones lifes they said it was like trying to open your eyes in a bowl of milk thats how thick the fog was! I wonder why he was going so fast too? Do you think he panicked? Must of been so scary. Just wish it never happened. Your right kobe was doing such good things he seemed like such a lovely person and such a role model as a father. Heart braking

Too low to receive help? What help may this have been? Flight following wouldn't have saved them

What the pilot needed to 2 do really was turn around and go back. Go sit down somewhere until that fog cleared. He needed to tell them b4 they got on helicopter NO we're not going nowhere until that fog clears 1st. When he circled around LA Zoo six times that was his wake up call. No but he decided to continue on going. Then he kept flying at the same speed instead of slowing the hell down. He didn't make an executive decision. He might've been trying to impress KB, his rich clientele. He didn't put ppls lives 1st. Come 2 find out the sun came up and the fog cleared 1 hour after the accident. That says he definitely could've made everybody wait Period. Fog always clear sooner or later.

If anything he shouldn't have asked for flight following, that made him go into the clouds to get radar contact, he should have just stayed where he could see the ground.

pilot was acting like idiot, shoulda known to turn back , there was no visual at interstate highway, so his stupid self banked left and then lost orientation

zobayan supposed to follow the interstate road route, it had no obstructions or hills, instead he decided to underestimate the elements instead of turining back, out of a silly stupid reason probably to impress the people

That’s not what happened at all

omensoffate what happened was, Trump knew Kobe would run for President so he had a missile shoot them down, it wasn’t really fog it was George Bush with his smoke machine

Wondering why was he going so fast?

omensoffate yes it is.

Charlie B tea bitch

This

Tom Sawyer VAS Aviation is the Best! Watch their detailed video on this tragedy too!

@@RaoulThomas007 where can I watch this?

Escapologist Magical Just search VasAviation on RU-vid and you’ll be there!

@@RaoulThomas007 thanks

Oh I was in Whittier Friday night and we noticed some wicked fog around 7:30 pm. So this fog floated through for a few days.

Yikes. Thanks for the input. Life is fleeting folks, tell someone you love them today.

This was probably the work of Qasem Soleimani's ghost. He was a military genius after all. Didn't Iran mourned and promised America that they will suffer the same fate? Just 24 days after Qasem's death this happened

uniaguilar I’m a pilot who flies in SoCal all the time. It was much worse in the early morning (as it usually is with the marine layer), but at the time Kobe was flying (9-10am-ish) it was actually quite descent and do-able. The decision to depart John Wayne under VFR was completely reasonable given the reported weather and forecast data. It got worse in the last couple of miles of the flight, and the visibility likely didn’t drop, but the clouds got lower while the terrain got higher. The pilot may have decided to turn around while still visual, but accidentally entered a cloud while turning. The pilot can keep the aircraft under stable control in the clouds, but he can’t see where he’s going and where the obstacles are.

Andrew Grey Their part 135 operation may not have had the authority to conduct IFR flights under their approved rules of operation. Even though the pilot & aircraft were IFR certified, their operating rules would have mandated additional regular IFR training to be able to do that type of flying, and that costs a lot of money for a company based in SoCal where the weather is usually pretty clear. The pilot certainly could enter the clouds as an emergency maneuver, but he would be over an area where he’s not above the minimum IFR altitude for that area, so he has no great idea of where to navigate to. Happened fast, probably. The helicopter may have also not been kept IFR certified (for example, broken attitude indicator). It’s perfectly legal to fly with certain avionics or equipment inoperative as long as you address the inoperative equipment in compliance with regulations.

@M J FACTS

Probably better off listening to aircraft control. Had he kept going and been "better off" he would possibly wreck the planes. He's frustrated that he has to wait... Yes. But he wouldn't be better off ignoring his only lifeline to what is going on in the air and what else is flying that could hit him. Besides a mountain.

Hmmmm, yes you could tell he was annoyed a bit, but now he's going to jeopardize SAFETY , why didn't he just stopped and WAITED and if HE got to his destination later, oh well....

I definitely think he was being, PRESSURED by his passengers....

Daniel C. Based on what? That’s completely unfounded.

Totally! Whey didn't he just tell them he couldn't see?!

Lisa Rose hahah what was telling them he couldn’t see gonna do? He’s the pilot.

@@lisamarie5918 The pilot asked for flight support exactly because he couldn't see well...

@Lynn Ann, That's true, but he could have waited for the fog to clear before endangering other lives

Pilot error is my uneducated guess. What would I know.

Yep Morons fo sure

Exactly wtf I'm over here thinking... suspect af

​@@XoXo-gl9hg This recording is from aviation enthusiasts . The actual recording is still available for investigation.

He probably had a panic attack or was disoriented enough to where he couldn’t respond back

This is my take on running into zero visibility. Highest priority would be safety. Rise up (pop up) and announce you are turning tail or you want permission to fly in restricted space, with instruments. Or you become disoriented and fly askew, straight for the ground.

@@ES1Baller That conclusion calls for speculation. We need the facts.

Zeon Razer just my thought but I’ve flown in the area many years. I believe what happened is that the pilot experienced fog and could not descent any more so he decided to climb. When he did and entered the fog, he did not appropriately transition to his flight instruments. Radar shows a climb and decrease in airspeed. He likely experienced spatial disorientation (which can occur quickly). As a result, the pilot caused the helicopter to enter a descending left turn. The aircraft then entered a 5000 foot per minute descent and increased its airspeed to 175 knots (a dive per the NTSB). The aircraft collided with the terrain at the base of the cloud layer (per the witness wearing the TWA hat).

Yeah but why were they diving while turning?

joshlawill it was likely not intentional. When a pilot experiences a loss of spatial orientation due to clouds or fog, he can see nothing outside of the aircraft. When that happens, if a pilot does not quickly and effectively reference his flight instruments, he will not realize the attitude of the aircraft. So, even though he thinks the aircraft is straight and level, for instance, he may initiate a turn, descent or climb and not even know it.

@@jamesweigh3178 Basically this pilot was and IDIOT, you can sense in his voice that he was unsure of himself and sweating having to fly in the fog for these clients. Maybe he realized he was not up to snuff to fly on instruments only if the had to.

Spatial disorientation is defined as the inability of a pilot to correctly interpret aircraft attitude, altitude or airspeed in relation to the Earth or other points of reference. ( flying VFR to IFR ).

Only on the internet can complex crash investigations be completed in a few minutes.

@@skyboy1956 not in a few minutes.. But a month or two.. Besides this DON'T happen everyday... That a helicopter goes DOWN...😶

@@trufacts8934 investigate for 2 months and can't find any conclusive evidence as to what happened. Now what?

@@skyboy1956 I DON'T know mannn!!, it just hurt to see something like this happen... No need to debate.. We all want answers that can't be answered...🤷

The recordings you have heard are recordings captured by aviation enthusiasts who record air traffic control frequencies 24/7. Due to this, they miss some transmissions due to the location of their receiver. However, ATC has their own recordings which are much higher fidelity and will pick up the missing parts we haven’t heard yet. And “SoCal” isn’t a control tower, it’s a TRACON. Different role.

U killed kobe...suckers

It was recored somewhere; all communications are.

Your so right....ivestagate the other end

No Doubt great thinking because that conversation never happened. But they will find some schill to say it happened

Knightchild 2k17 I’m 99.9999% sure they have

I think your right.

That's what it looks like

But the high speed of the crash, 170 miles an hour, probably means it was a controlled crash into terrain...not a stall?

@@jjgreek1 Valid point.

Either way Pilots error most likely due to disorientation. At the rate of speed it was going down I doubt the passengers had anytime to react or knew what was happening and were dead upon impact.

You are exactly right because pausing for 15 minutes going in a figure 8 & many many circles created the circumstances that made him sick with spatial disorientation

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He should've went back and made everybody wait til later. He circled LA Zoo six times. Like the other commenter said that could've made him disoriented. That along with the foggy conditions. But he kept on going anyway. Then he kept flying at the same speed instead of flying much much slower. His decision making was not wise across the board. Not wise at all.

J. Queen seems to me this was all preplanned and a setup. Just how they did aaliyah.

1ChocletDrop seems to me this was all preplanned and a setup. Just how they did aaliyah.

100% agree!

Easy to say now. In a crisis situation u panick and do shit.

That's the same thing I keep saying, he made the ultimate decision to continue on in cloudy/foggy weather that he should of turned that chopper around or landed it period! Bad decision making has changed alot of lives forever.

@@TheBooty28 Yes you do panic in a crisis situation, but why put yourself in a crisis situation in the first place when no other helicopters are allowed to fly.

He got lost and veered into the foothills, totally losing awareness of the rising terrain below.

Wes Porter the way in which the communication system is designed, it’s common not to hear the other side of a conversation. The controller was likely heading the pilot, based on what he was saying. The NTSB will be able to retrieve the entire conversation.

Wes Porter he did inform the controller he was climbing due to clouds (he was probably already in the clouds). This is not heard but the NTSB reported that. It’s unfortunately not odd. Based on everything I’ve read and heard, the pilot should not have departed John Wayne (could have landed at Burbank or Van Nuys) and secured ground transportation. E unfortunately entered the clouds (based on witness statements, likely lost control and crashed.

Mr.Inferno especially if he had really had vfr conditions. When he was circling the zoo before that one airport looked to be shitty conditions for vfr rules. Obviously he could not use IFR flight with this flight path or did he not have ifr ratings or did this helicopter just did not have the lad test and greasiest equipment to use autopilot. But why did he bank 180 so hard and not keep heading straight forward on same heading ? A lot of different scenarios. He could of headed into the milk fog started climbing freaked out and was like I got to turn around ?

I asked the same question I read somewhere that the 101 is a more direct route or simplier route to follow, and the 118 is more windy road or curvy, just what I read.

You can actually take the 118 all the away to Camarillo, it turns to a road at the 23 but who cares. This was the big MISTAKE.

@@aeyjay9550 they are in a helicopter...windy, curvy means nothing. And the 118 would have been better.

@J G agreed. Definitely the main route out to Ventura county. It appears to me like the sense fog his the aircraft suddenly which had the pilot turn west...he became disoriented very quickly.

no

@@thescribbler495 Yea, he was. He put out the first video of Kobe's Helicopter flight path & crash. That's why everyone news channel & newspaper used his video. His name is on the video.

@Lloyd Bonafide yea he kinda does. He's the one who edited out all the other aircrafts in the area & the other audio just to show Kobe's helicopter path. It's his video, look at the top right of the computer screen, his RU-vid name is on the video. So, he does own the video. Look down at the comments, he even commented saying "I guess I'll call it Fair Use". Besides that, All I meant was He Made that Video & to just thank him. Every other news station & paper used HIS VIDEO. That's all.

john doe 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@ who the fuck r u? No one is talking to you.

When you can't see, which he definitely could not,all the ways you look at this pilot error on his judgement,lead to this disaster.

JOHN BOYAJY he asked for flight following while he was still visual. He entered a cloud accidentally in only the last 30 or so seconds of the flight. Being too low for flight following simply means radar can’t find you. This isn’t abnormal. If there was any poor judgement, it was in the last 2-3 minutes of the flight, because whether at Van Nuys was adequate for what he was doing. There was no reason to scrub the flight due to the weather forecast data I found from the morning of the flight. The pilots eyes would have told him the cloud deck was getting lower than forecasted in that small microclimate area.

@@aviatortrevor you are clueless do you want to be in that helicopter, who are you defending,he couldn't see,VFR is Base on seeing, please the fog was evident he was reckless. period.

@@TheBatmanjb I agree with aviator,,,,,,,, I doubt he was in trouble still the last 30 seconds then he tried climbing. simple!

@@TheBatmanjb We don't know the level of visibility. The pilot flew most of the flight under Special VFW. Last we get to hear, he switched from Special VFR, to VFR conditions. Meaning, the visibility improved. It may have suddenly got worst again. But that communication is unfortunately not available for us. But what we do know is for some reason, the copter descended at 2000ft per minute and at 185mph. If he suddenly lost visibility, I'm not understanding why his reaction would be to descend quickly. And even without visibility, the copter still has an altimeter. You will know the difference from ascending and descending.

Completely agree! Very weird

Not according to the conspiracy theorist above you

Definitely a conspiracy

Wow, no respect for the man educating us. Where can I find you on the net so I can judge you?

Sadly, there are idiots commenting on here that apparently do not get it 🙄

I almost turned the video off during that part because it was so infuriating to listen to!!! He kept going in circles!!

Yes, the expert had already explained the 'two low' thing, then he had to do it again.

@e james the marine layer is a thick layer of fog that comes from the ocean. I think you misused the word. The marine layer/fog is what caused the crash

@e james My speculation (I'm just a regular person with no special aviation education ) from what the analyst said and the recording, was that the SoCal controller told the pilot that he was too low for flight follow from that specific controller. Not in general.

@e james get cute with it? Relax you're assuming. It was a mistake. The best pilots make mistakes. It's clear, he was going too fast and the fog disoriented him. Fog does that on ground, can only imagine 1400ft above the ground. From open canoga park to the area he died in the santa Monica mountains is about 10 miles so he probably approached too quickly if he was going 180 mph. The way he came into Calabasas/SM mountains was from the north east, so the mountains were on the right and he had city on his left. He made a sharp left about a mile into the santa monica mountains. Shit happens

@@59kobain this seems right.. So Sorry for them, even if the pilot made a mistake, i mean, he just wanted to do his Job and I am sure he did not want these kids to get killed.. People are commenting bad about him in other Videos, but its not like the pilot survived, he is DEAD too.. tragic

He was not thrilled when he responded, "Okay, we'll continue holding. 2EX". The pilot knew the weather was bad. Burbank told him the surface area was IFR. Google the transcript of conversation. See below. Burbank airport tower: "Helicopter 2EX, Burbank tower. Burbank altimeter: 30.19. Burbank Class Charlie Surface area is IFR; say intentions."

Pitts S2C there is something fishy about this whole thing period

Pitts S2C Well then the pilot knew before their chance of survival was around 14% when he decided to approach the clouds and fog in VFR. The tower is also trained, why did they not tell him he cannot go there with VFR/SVFR?!

@@katana5562 A pilot only needs special VFR in order to fly through controlled airspace in bad weather which he received approval to do. After that, when he's outside of controlled airspace he goes back to VFR. Then he's completely on his own and it's his choice whether or not to proceed. I think he got caught in the soup, got nervous, dropped the cyclic control to quickly decend and get out of the clouds and ran into the hill. Unfortunately, I think it was that simple. An unfortunate accident that was avoidable. A very bad choice by the pilot to proceed. It's like driving in your car into super foggy weather and not pulling over or turning around.

@@pittss2c601 my take on the way the pilot said okay we'll continue holding was that he seemed a bit annoying by having to wait/continue holding so long not that he seemed nervous.

"his turn had a high bank and the helicopter lost lift" is the only answer that explains the extreme and sudden rate of decent. Pilot suddenly found himself enveloped in fog, tried to turn around rapidly to escape it and the rest is history.... Very sad.

He flew over the mountain then crashed missed it by 30ft

This is nothing more than yet another example of a man being murdered by his money (and, of course, when that happens he ordinarily takes a handful of innocents along with him.) This Toby Bryan apparently had lots of specious wealth, but apparently not enough to hire a COPILOT, not enough to hire a pilot with an IFR ticket, not enough to purchase a full IFR panel (which you need if you're going to fly around the Marine Layer all the time.)...

@@johfertitta5233 You have no idea what your talking about. Kobe's helicopter was a "daily" rental from a helicopter company. They provide all the pilots and details on the helicopter. Kobe didnt own the helicopter and could not order changes to the helicopter, that is for the owner of the rental company to make. The only thing they allowed him to change was the wrap and colors on the outside of the copter. Kobe was a passenger just like all the other passengers. Their lives were in the hands of the pilots, just like passengers on a plane flown by Delta airlines.

@@williamhealy2473 No it isn't.

It's called a music bed. And yes, they're everywhere and largely horrible.

@@NxDoyle No....it's called background music.

@@NxDoyle very important what's it's called...

Yup very true. Would have encountered only about 2 mountain ranges. Simi Valley then the T.O. down to Camarillo if i can rember right.

@KeRon Tucker just like EVERYONE else including EXPERTS, I am speculating based on details as they've been released. Where often times pilot error can immediately be dismissed, in this case, it is an actual REAL POSSIBILITY. A prominent Aviation Attorney drew the same conclusion given preliminary information released including ATC audio between the pilot.

@KeRon Tucker the NTSB is NOT speculating because it's their job to fully investigate. I am referring to other experts in the field of aviation. But whatever floats your boat...

@KeRon Tucker My investigation revealed S R R just wanted an excuse to make this about her and her story, typical narcissistic behavior compounded with an inferiority complex due to subject matter outside her scope. My case is now closed.

They were only 17 miles away from their destination so that's minutes away he was trying to fly through those range of hills/mountains following the 101 and got caught in the fog so he tried climbing out of it.

No sadly it all happened within a matter of seconds. So tragic

@@ye23. I guess if I had to choose☹️I would want it fastly and over

@Mr. Husky I was told it took a full minute

I don't think they knew, they probably couldn't feel how fast they were going or see where they were going because the fog and white out came up all of a sudden. I dont think the pilot said anything to make them panick and they didn't see the mountain coming up that they crashed into. Looks like he lost control within seconds and crashed.

@@goddesst After seeing that video of what may have happened..I agree, Hopefuuly he didnt say anything and it.....UUGHHHH so sadddddd

I think this whole blame game and “this didn’t have to happen” talk needs to stop. Everybody has a time and date they will exit this world. That Sunday morning was just Kobe’s day. It was his time. And its extremely difficult but people will have to accept it.

ye23 it's an accident it has nothing to do with time of exit.. I'm guessing most islanders that live to 100and above don't have this time measures???

love prevails everybody will die eventually. everybody has a date. Some live till 100 some live until 13 or 41. Thats life! You cant escape death. No matter what excuse you make. The way you die doesnt change the fact that you will in fact, die! You can live the healthiest life and die in a car accident. When its your time to go, its time. Its God’s will and you cant change that

Yeah fog on highway is no joke like thick fog u can't see infront or behind

@@ye23. Death that is due to human error is avoidable... Thats it That's all!!! Period

Pablo Cortes ....PIC...Pilot in Command.....

@@bclaverenz1 yes sir, you are correct. But I was simply making a point.

The pilot is certainly at fault. The aircraft operator is most definitely culpable. The controllers are NOT responsible.

So the people who asked the moron that was flying the helicopter if he could see and he said yes is responsible for the accident? You must really dumb or lack basic intelligence. Which moron speed in an area where there is little to no visibility? I hope you dont have a drivers license because with that brain of yours, you are a danger to other drivers and yourself!

You do not understand the rules. The ultimate responsibility belongs to the pilot in command. The pilot requested and was granted permission to fly under special vfr, which means he must remain clear on the clouds. The pilot should have landed on the freeway if that is what it took to stay out of the clouds. Kennedys never followed the rules, which is why some have driven off a bridge or skied into a tree. Jfk jr was responsible for checking the weather to confirm it would remain within his abilities. Nobody is up there to confirm that he had the proper rating and there are no "road blocks" to have kept him from entering the clouds.

Mark Daniel those are the rules that need to be changed so pilots never ever get in this situation again. The FAA needs to be accountable for every airline and helicopter in the air that pilots are following the rules. Hire more people if it will save a tragedy from this happening ever again.

Sue Russell can you up imagine if, every time you wanted to get in your car, you’d have to present your license to an official?

It’s a sickening feeling I have too! And he has flown on a helicopter private plane commercials constantly for decades so it was prob just like hopping in the car to him. You just don’t think twice about it

You could, he sounded scared 😢

I can only imagine what the pilot’s family is going through. They must be getting a lot of kobe fans blaming him. They shouldnt have released his name.

From the first time I heard this tape I always thought he sounded nervous and not comfortable at all.

I agree circling for 15 minutes and got confused as to which way to turn... should’ve landed in Glendale called a driver and kept it moving....Airplanes don’t circle they hover. Don’t think he knew where he was at that point.

@@urnkimshouse he was disoriented from the fog.

Karl Kindle it’s *could’ve*--- NOT “could of”

@@dianagarcia938 'prolly' is the one that gets me the most

That's not going to happen.

who gives a fuck

Ahh, the stable genius. Jared will be proud.

Same haha. Very sad though.

I been up all night watching flight simulator videos of driving through fog 😑

Flying*

Exactly, free course. Never know what knowledge may come in handy.

Makes sense. Forgot that a hard left bank would increase speed. I was wondering also why he never switched to IFR now we know he was certified to fly IFR but the helicopter's company had not received IFR rating. Pilot reminded tower (in another audio) that Burbank and Van Nuys were IFR so he had to avoid IFR airspace which is exactly what he needed at the time, Which is why he kept requesting flight following because he needed assistance to maneuver the craft safely.

The guy is no expert. Wherever the radio was hooked to a computer tlo record the frequency was out of range of the transmitting radio. Ground radios usually have far more power to transmit than aircraft do and antennas can be far larger to get the singal out better. An aircraft being aloft above the terrain only helps to a certain extent.

KeRon Tucker yes, Jeffrey is correct. There’s no “microphone” it’s just radio receivers with lots of power that decode voice for ATC

KeRon Tucker so you’re attacking someone who knows what they’re talking about just because they may or may not be an expert? That’s smart as hell.

KeRon Tucker attacking has a variety of meanings, severity levels and implications. Maybe you’ll realize this as you interact with more people who speak the language. Didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to speak because I wasn’t addressed. I wanted to make sure an actual expert wasn’t “debunked” because they didn’t state their experience.

Andrew Grey +1

No, when he was circling he was over Burbank. That is a long way from where they crashed in Calabasas. When he was over Burbank yes it was very foggy but that's not why they were circling. They circled because they had to wait for traffic to clear. They were ok at that point. They didnt know how bad the fog was going to get over Calabasas. What they should have done was to land at Van Nuys Airport. It would not have been a long drive to Thousand Oaks at that point! Not much different than the drive they intended to take from Camarillo. 😕

I wish he would have told the tower that he had no visibility? Why didn't he tell them?! This story could have ended differently!

He was begging supposed to stay in visual meteorological conditions. He was not allowed to enter clouds. He even told her that he was in VMC.

@@lisamarie5918 Because he *did* have visibility? Up until he accidentally entered the cloud in the last minute. Visibility passing Van Nuys was 2.5 miles. That's plenty. Clouds were at 1200ft AGL and he was at 500ft AGL. Plenty of cloud separation.

when you say "obviously the pilot didn't have visibility all along", you are an ignorant twat. We know for a fucking fact what the weather was at Van Nuys, which is only like 2 minutes from Calabasas. Van Nuys reported 2.5 miles visibility and 1200ft ceilings. That is more than enough visibility. That's seeing an entire minute ahead of your path at this helicopter's top speed of 150 knots. The helicopter could even slow down to like 60 knots and then have 2.5 minutes of forward visibility. You can drive your car on the freeway with only 15 seconds of forward visibility - enough to be traveling at 70mph and see a car at a complete stop, engage your breaks and use ~13 seconds to slow down at a pretty mild rate, not even jamming on your brakes.

This things happen when a pilot can not say no to his boss and either do not start the helicopter at all or turn back when you see that it’s too risky to continue the flight. Or maybe he said it but was said to fly anyways.

@kilahchris Apparently they were not allowed to fly IFR as a Part 135 charter, he entered the clouds illegally, with this model Sikorsky this was the first with fatalities. Pilot was negligent entering in clouds without an IFR clearance....he should have declared an emergency to get the IFR clearance, arrived safely and dealt with the FAA later