Awareness is not Located in the Body 

+Dan eM saying that you are the spiritual body not the physical does not solve anything you just went from one body to another you are not a body at all. You are the clear light of awareness in which everything appears and disappears. you have no size no color no weight no shape at all. yet you are aware. in other words you are alive and aware nothingness.

so what changes have you observed within by untangling the knot?

Dan eM And EvenStar LoveAnanda - My experience (no theories, promise) lines up (so far) with what Rupert says in the clips. I say this after spending quite a long time "getting it" intellectually but not really feeling it in the bones. I tell you here from my experience that it is via the "yoga" meditations on Rupert's "Light of Pure Knowing" CD box set that I have REALLY begun to understand the structure of Reality. Simply put, mind and matter are "ways of seeing" reality, the substratum of which is pure/infinite Consciousness. Mind and matter appear in and are made up of Universal/Infinite Consciousness. I could go on (believe me) but instead I will testify here/now that 80 to 90% of the proof you seek you will not get via chats like this. Don't get me wrong, these chats are fun, i partake in them quite often actually, but this particular question about the nature of reality got answered (or has begun to get answered) for me via the yoga meditations on the cds and not via Rupert's intellectual descriptions (as eloquent and engaging as they are). Hope that assists in some way. ONE LOVE!

Without falling in the illusion that the words that come out of the body are not you nor is the personality. Destroy the separate self at its root. So all there is, is knowing even when there is no content to know the screen knows itself and experiences no objects or identities as such. When the waking state occurs it's like a dream within a dream really. it's quite amazing.

+Justin Tweed The yoga of enchanting illusions! The idea of destroying the separate self at the root is a good metaphor where we go to the very source of our existential dilemma and pull out the roots rather than to continually prune the branches of the growing tree that is the oak of delusions. Of course, going to this root is not going anywhere at all for, at that crux, at the heart of the matter itself, who is destroying what and how? So, in that very, immediate recognition, the separate self needs no destruction in its essential non-existence. And of course, realizing it as never having existed, even its non-existence is not an issue because how can something that never actually existed not exist? The same can be said for frustrating attempts where one struggles and strains to arrive where one already is. In non-duality, while the essence does, as you say, know itself as itself and experiences no objects identities, (paths, levels, attainments, additions, subtractions, etc.) the insubstantial appearance of reality remains all-inclusve and rather than being nothing more than a contrived set of objects and opposites, it is a vast panorama of luminosity that is merely veiled by distractions as thoughts, beliefs and labels. They have nowhere to go, so what would be the point in exclusions for the sake of recognizing essence? People who seek tend to want something in the "end" or something better, etc., which is just another form of samsaric attainment and an equivalent to any other form ambition, though some will say it is a "good" or "better" form of activity and relatively speaking that is fine. I don't know how that jibes with your personal experience, but an open mind that goes beyond hope and fear while recognizing the potency of the display of awareness while intuiting absence can be said to be non-exclusive.

cyberageal that's very interesting. I'll meditate on that

This remInds me Amy Call's post-nde stories about watching her little daughters runnung around and worrying about the galaxies inside them. 😁 dont miss her ND.e. there are two versions

AI? 🤨

and this exactly is his problem.

Fint Blank : what do you mean by this?

@@gasevski flint is just tryin to be wise or cool it is only a problem when you say it is a problem

Fint Blank is making an important point. And that is the difference between a good analogy and the truth. Being good at explaining by analogy doea not make what you are explaining correct, necessarily.

@@alexarpen exactly 😞😢but I truly hope he's right

yes

All of that happened within consciousness didn't it?

@@ivan5796 Then what left the body?

@@dream2space234 my best guess is that nothing left the body, because you don't have a "physical body" to begin with. What you perceive as a body is in the absolute sense actually awareness/consciousness itself. Thats because consciousness is prior to what we call "matter". So in your case, what probably happened is that you imagined in your limited human phyche that you left your body, while what actually happened is that you became aware that you do not have a body to begin with. You emerged in the non-dual form of you. Your true self.

@@dream2space234 "Then what left the body?" Did consciousness leave the body, or did bodily sensations leave consciousness? The body is nothing but sensations and perceptions within consciousness. Those sensations and perceptions leave consciousness. It's a subtle but very profound shift in perspective. Do not be deceived in believing something we call a body exists independently of consciousness.

You’re absolutely right I thought about that too and I don’t have an answer either

I agree. In my investigation and listening to both, Eckhart and Rupert, when we sense the bodily sensations, thoughts subside and we have (Probably) a non-dual experience i.e., oneness (only pointer words). That Object and subject become one. But when I was practicing this, I had many doubts and I would get lost. Listening to Rupert has helped me to investigate questions such as - Where am I in the body? Such investigation removes the separation and self-abidance can garadually happen. I would say although, Eckhart points towards the same truth but Rupert helps to stabilise as truth with understanding. There’s a video of Eckhart titled “This is true meditation” which is what Rupert says as effortless meditation. Both are talking about the same thing. As you investigate and experiment, you’ll start to see the similarities. Hope this helps.

If the body is in awareness and not the opposite then how come closing the eyes changes the experience?

Can you briefly explain what Consciousness is?

@@adisvara2900 I'll give it a try. I kind of know what it is, but it is hard to explain, at least for me. Basically consciousness is everywhere, because without it nothing would exist, because everything that happens, can only happen "within" consciousness, otherwise we couldn't be aware of anything happening, right? Everything that you are aware of, happens within your consciousness, otherwise you wouldn't realize it happening. Everything that happens in general, happens within consciousness, otherwise it can't be realized. So consciousness is everywhere and everything happens in consciousness. And that is who we are, consciousness. Everything that happens, happens within us. We are a part of everything, but our mind, our ego separated us from the wholeness. Can be hard to understand for some, but that's fine, it takes time. If you get back to who you truly are more and more means you "woke up", you get more and more aware of things that are going on in your mind, in your body and around you. You have a different sense of things happening. You more and more realize weird thoughts in your mind, weird things you do on a daily basis your whole life, which you never noticed until know, you may get more quiet and just "be". "Be" more "conscious", be the one who watch everything happen, and consciously make decisions, instead of react to a situation with just a frightened mind. I hope that gave some clarity. If you want more information on that you have to look it up and go a bit deeper into all this to better understand it.

Rupert is simply repeating the teachings of Ramana Maharshi.

thedarkmoonman your mind is in your awareness

no, mind is awareness

thedarkmoonman haha it really isn't bro

You're awareness has no form i.e. It can't be your mind you are aware of your mind but you are not your mind.

The body we know of is definitely in our mind. We only receive sense perception/ feedback of the body so we can't know what the body is. It is interesting how people claim they are the body, yet we don't know much about our brain structure and discover new things about 'ourselfs' everyday. 200 years wouldn't be enough to know everything about our body. We would need a supercomputer or magical being that scans our body and outputs everything there is to know about our brain. Then we wouldn't have so much trouble finding music that we like or finding a job that suits us etc. We don't know much about our body, mass flow of information coming into awareness is limited and therefore it takes many years to know at least enough in order to get ahead in life on a practical basis. 30 year old people often say 'I had problems during my youth but now I know who I am'. I mean it is obviously nonsense what they are saying. They know some bits of it, nothing more.

Belt School Great School, he is sure because of experiential fact. All truth is, ultimately, experiential - or subjective. He speaks of and through, his own experiential reality.

rupert has many videos on this. lmk if you want me to link you one

It’s not God it’s pure conscious energy the one energy is everything and everyone therefore we are all one we are all God. When the body is no more we still exist that is why when we have the near death we see our body as if we are out of it but we are always out of it

the widest possible is that space does not really exist. only awareness exist. space is only an appearance and not real as we think of it. when you look at the screen of a 3d game in the computer, do you think there is space behind the screen? everything is an illusion we never go anywhere.

***** brain= awareness

***** No I don't. You also haven't any proof

Spirit and matter although are connected are different. The spirit is beyond and unaffected by matter and don't produces matter

*****​ First words are limited and also we can give to the same word different connotations. So, emptiness in the sense that there is absence of objects is correct but emptiness in the sense that there is absolute nothing is false. In the realm of creation even in the most subtle dimension there is subtle energy and the three gunas (sattva, rajas, tamas) which we may not are able to perceive by our gross and subtle senses but this doesn't mean that there is emptiness. In the 'realm' of consciousness or awareness which is beyond creation matter and energy, dimensionless, formless, timeless and causeless, which is not possible to be perceived by the senses and which is only experienced by the eye of wisdom (which isn't an eye of course) we cannot also say that is emptiness (in the sense that there is nothing) because we cannot perceive it and because has not a form. In this case (when we speak about the absolute consciousness) the notion or word emptiness is used only to indicate that consciousness is formless and there is absolute absence of any kind of matter, parts, forms, objects etc. . 

+galactic communique With that said, why not invite everyone we are aware of doing these type of teachings and mix and match everything? Its speculative to say we would all benefit from this when you and maybe a handful of others really care for that to happen.

the significance can only really be realized through experience, not through intellect

It's called indoctrination and HIS pov...not true for ALL here

iridium squad he didn't say this

iridium squad you can test it. If you imagine something and it happens then you are awareness. If it doesn't manifest then you are not awareness. Look up Neville Goddard on RU-vid. Most people don't have a clue what they are talking about.

So If we cut your brain apart, you can't be conscious.....according to you. The Brain is a receiver...it Doesn't do any thing to create consciousness.

In technology there is no such thing as a receiver. It is another problem of concepts. In technology every element takes and input and generates an output. Nothing is kept inside of a device, that would be useless. If consciousness is a product of the brain then it is not the brain. It is just dependent on the brain. If the brain collapses then consciousness wouldn't collapse (cause it has no structure) but it would be digitally, in an instant go to zero, unbecoming because it has no structure. It doesn't go off, it goes nonexistent.

Anyway people are only asking this question because they think that the answer could save them from death. Fear of death is definitely a psychological, irrational behavior. Nothing could be done against it. Eternal life will be possible in 50-100 years, I wonder how many people will swing aboard the train. Oh how wonderful must life be for those identified entities. Only illusions can bind you to the world.

Alot of confusion can be circumvented by instead of intellectualizing the apparent uses of the word awareness in its given context, to simply let it pervade your experience. If I ask you "are you aware" there is something you can refer to in your current experience that will confirm/deny that statement. That experience of awareness you refer to fits the different contexts Rupert provides, with which you struggle to define, as well as Francis' definition. Also, to express your capability of awareness means identification with it.

El Axel I think you will find that upon further investigation that awareness is not a phenomena of the body. Of course our conditioning leads to that intellectual belief, but if awareness exists in the body, where is its location?

Only in deep sleep we experience no body and mind

jackdawcaw www.headless.org/

It untangles automatically. The speed of the process depends on your use of techniques (e.g. self enquiry) and your position of the ladder of evolution of consciousness. Acceleration may be possible here and there but in general this stuff really comes out of itself.

No need to untangle.. Its already untangled.. Dont delude yourself by such thoughts

john atkinson awareness is ONLY AND ~ JUST ~ a result of a brain muscle. and god is an idea , a personal belief from someone. not real.

You are not nothing. The teaching of awareness is designed to awaken you to that which is prior to all words and ideas (no things, no experiences, no toilet, no-one to go to the toilet, etc), but then from this place, to re-embrace the Relative - the world of things. This happens over time and without personal effort. So there's still a body there, and the body still has needs, but now (in the fully awakened state) it is intuitively recognised that the body, as well as the toilet and everything else are all expressions of Reality and that Reality is also what you are. It's as if the dream character, after realizing that everything is a dream, is now free to explore the dream world without fear of coming to harm.

Thank you!

Shazbut01 you can test it. If you imagine something and it happens then you are awareness. If it doesn't manifest then you are not awareness. Look up Neville Goddard on RU-vid. Most people don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Awareness doesn't go to the toilet, the body goes there plus a mind that thinks it is in control of the body. Both things are not awareness. If I touch a wall with my hand did I touch it? Obviously not. The body probably touched the wall. The actual event leaves traces in the visual perception and the sensory perception. Awareness is just resting in itself, waiting for the feedback to come into itself. Awareness didn't move at all, was just chilling at the end of the nerve pathways. Perception of the actual event is impossible. If I let a computer with sensors measure my movement it would come in computer language. Everything is made perceivable in a certain type of information, what would be the unbiased, unspecified perception of the thing?

i feel like what he means is EVERYTHING is appeared or witnessed by you(awareness) and if i(seperate self/mind) try to be awareness that is also seen by awareness ... amd it is same with all feelings sensations perceptions ...nothing escapes the witnessing... and it is clear to me... that whatever idea i have about myself is false... the problem is every effort to be awareness is also witnessed by awareness 😂 theres nothing to do(by the limited me) it seems...

Because the conference center rental is for particular periods of time, and the students have agreed to attend for particular periods of time.

I say it is.

Awareness is Spirit. It is all souls together as one.

You are aware but you don't have an object to be aware of, like in deep sleep, you are aware but without and object your mind can't remember cause in deep sleep there are no thoughts and mind can only know thoughts.

@@Magnoliasdiary Is there any way to verify it? I mean, that how can we be sure that we are indeed aware under anesthesia (but without an object to be aware of)? Or, how can we verify that the "materialistic" approach (i.e. consciousness is derived from the body/brain) is false? Thanks!

@@alexgeorgiou4304 you are working with your mind when you need verification, it's a "you" that needs assurance, and a thing you need to be sure of, it's subject-object. Do you die at night? Do you disappear? How do you know it?

@@Magnoliasdiary It seems that I'm looking for some explanations which are based on the "materialistic" model. If I understood correctly what you are saying is that my approach is problematic by itself. Have you practiced some kind of meditation techniques (or other techniques for "exploring" consciousness)? Do these types of experience offer a different perspective on the nature of consciousness? Thanks!

@@Magnoliasdiary Thank you for responding! I'm afraid I can't really understand what happens during a meditation. I'm interested in consciousness and I've watched some videos of Spira and mostly of Tom Campbell, who seems to explore consciousness for formulating a scientific approach. But, if I understand correctly it seems that during the meditation process one is able to go out of his/her body, visit the past, visit multiple realities (according to Tom Campbell). What do you think? Is this true? Do all of these approaches have something in common, or they are just personal perspectives?

I commonly see that I'm often, but not always - someone else in my dreams. Perhaps you could work on becoming more and more conscious of all your dreams ( lucid dreaming ) and you might see the same about you. Just a thought.

The body/mind system is a localization of infinite consciousness. It's not IN the body, it IS the body :)

@@Aaron_Gentry but how can we say that whole universe exists in that consciousness ?

@@the_real_hacker_ Because everything you experience, including the universe, takes place within consciousness. Where else would it take place?

@@Aaron_Gentry but I need my body along with consciousness to experience anything So how can we say that consciousness is even there where body isn't ?

EvenStar LoveAnanda When it comes down to what we label as awareness or refer to as knowing, does awareness itself require something to be aware of? In other words, we go to sleep and between ordinary waking experiences and 'dream" experiences, we seem to experience nothing; a lapse in consciousness. Yet, upon "awakening" we can recall that deep sleep seemed to be nothing at all. So, in that sense, awareness not being contingent on anything at all, being aware of nothing or, in the case of emptiness or "no thing" underscores awareness as a primary experience that includes anything, everything and nothing. If it could not include what we label and refer to, (only by comparison) as absence/nothing then it would be limited. When we fall back to a dualistic, self and other, perspective, we ascribe a self and an object or other by way of comparisons, memory and labels. The knot is tied by an immersion into and identification with what, once again, is merely awareness itself as the experience and the particulars are itself as the show or projection. In that case, to say, quite literally that there is no seer and nothing seen is correct when it is not assumed to mean a void or blankness. Nothing and even emptiness are merely intellectual concepts if they are not an actual and direct experience. They can also suffice as beliefs and then simply turns out to be another tensing of the knot that binds the sense of separation and takes it from a convention to a constricting construct of relative identity. The illusion of causality merely reverts in our experience to appearance or display and the idea of an individual and and an object as separate are also an integral aspect of that unity, so recognition seems to be a sudden flash of insight that happens every moment, yet we are distracted from it by way of either repressing or indulging in the "contents". That is, considering that it is immediate, intimate, spontaneous and unified, which by definition of awareness or pure mind, or total presence, it is, as best as language can convey.

+Ernest Weber absolutely true. From direct experience.

+Ernest Weber awareness does not require anything to be aware of. that is how it can be aware of nothingness. but this can not be recalled by the mind afterward because the mind was not there at the time. and could not measure time even.

Or does it? I have fainted and on multiple occasions found myself in dream like places that felt just as real as this world...conciousness wasn't lost, just relocated so to speak.

***** Fainting can be different for different people. I have fainted once, there was nothing and time stopped too.

The people who chose this path sympathize with it the most. Like you do with the Panpsychist ways. Rupert itself probably wouldn't ask the question, mostly seekers ask this question. This question is really difficult it is easier to ask other questions and then the answer to this particular question doesn't matter anymore. If the atoms are aware by themselves then a sum of atoms like in the brain would make up a field of awareness, so we are 13.8 billion years old? Every structure is in space, yet awareness feels so much like a point mass. A little bit difficult to imagine that a sum of atoms again produce a singular awareness.If the survival of the body is important it shows that you are still very identified with the world and you hang on to it. Advanced seekers loose that interest.

He’s right. I found Douglas Hardings work to have a profound effect in showing this experience beyond the words.