Azami vs Kroxa vs Marwyn vs Esika | CEDH Gameplay 

I played against a guy who had her in a Sisay deck. Can tutor her up at instant speed. Absolutely brutal.

Could always do the maze end codie Amulet of vigor only permenant mulligan to get it on t4 cast codie t4 cast a dragons approach codie pulls tibalt 100% of the time Witch unless u mill reshape the earth wins instantly Run 20-30 dragons approach Tibalts trickery Reshape the earth

He kept a bad starting hand. Need to mull to a turn 1-2 Codie

It’s not specifically these games. I just hate Thoracle.

Agreed I mean the infinite draw/ mana could have been a blue sun zenith same result

Unfortunately not. We are very accommodating to new players though!

It’s not needed in its current build

Yeah, I still see orchard all the time, and it’s not terrible, but I wonder if we’ve reached a critical mass of other lands to not need to entertain its drawback.

@@johnbarrie447 it's not that bad, I can see the merit of having another 5c land in najeela deck, but I'll probably not include it in midrange decks, especially which want to hit people for effects. I'm more concerned about the reasoning giving tymna player free 1/1 on empty board. Maybe it outweighs the possibility of codie saccing it for a ritual? who knows

Lavinia only hits noncreature spells

Probably because many of those effects are sorcery speed (and thus can't be used to stop Thoracle) and/or aren't worth the deck slots.

Yeah, it's tricky to pull that off. My favorite thing to do is hitting the Consultation with Mental Misstep and watching them cry.

There aren’t too many effects that do it at instant speed that are also good in other instances outside of a thoracle win.

If you see thassa alot ita easy to add those cards but most of them are you draw a card or sorcery

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That was more like being able to cast as Nauseum and no one having an answer, and hitting all the necessary cards to storm off and have the ability to have chain of vapor to remove the dauthi, and having just enough opponents enchantments and artifacts in play to have dockside give just enough treasures to play underworld breach , and being able to cast enough spells during the turn to mill yourself with brain freeze, and hit the LED to grave. Don’t undermine the gameplay of a good player and (and a little bit of luck) to make it seem like a brainless Thassa’s Oracle Win. I know many people who would mess up their lines in that situation, some just don’t want to admit it.

Copied from primer: You can turbo Doomsday out with Final Fortune or other ways to draw. The non-turbo pile requires us to have Prosper on board, but he acts as a way to crack the pile: Step 1: Have Prosper, Tome-Bound on Board, and access to BBBRR Step 2: Cast Doomsday. Stack the pile as such: Final Fortune>Jeska's Will>Twinflame>Dualcaster Mage>Lion's Eye Diamond (Or whatever flavor card you want)) Step 3: Go to end of turn. Prosper triggers, exiling Final Fortune. Cast Final Fortune in the End step, generating a treasure. Step 4: Begin your next turn, drawing Jeska's Will. Cast it, exiling the rest of your pile and possibly generating mana. Step 5: Cast and crack LED for mana. Step 6: Cast Twinflame, targeting Prosper. Holding priority, cast Dualcaster Mage. It enters the battlefield targeting Twinflame. It creates a copy. Step 7: The copy of Twinflame targets Dualcaster Mage. A copy of Dualcaster Mage enters the battlefield, targeting Twinflame. It creates a copy. The copy of Twinflame targets Dualcaster Mage. A copy of Dualcaster Mage enters the battlefield, targeting Twinflame. It creates a copy. The copy of Twinflame targets Dualcaster Mage. A copy of.. Step XYZ : Swing with an obscene amount of hasty Dualcaster Mages to end your opponents.

That’s a secret that will die with him.

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG I respect it

Sadly once you draw your entire deck you almost always have some "free" countrespell to protect yourself

Yes

If thassa’s oracle was banned, the results of these games wouldn’t have been any different. It just makes the wins less messy with calculations. I’ll admit it +consultation is too much tbh, but we didn’t see that here.

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There's alot of decks that don't use Oracle, but what people don't understand is CEDH is about winning, not playing a long strung out game for funsies. And oracle/demonic con/tainted pact is super efficient and perfect for it.

@@laicuan1 your point is not supported by other bans. Think about the issue that was flash. People agreed that the prevalence of it made other strategies not viable. This is echoed in thassas oracle in my opinion. The problem isn’t “fast kills” its the fact that its always run in decks that have black and blue.

@@FreddieFevens you said cedh was "way too reliant" on oracle when in reality in a true cedh game oracle is at its weakest (cedh tends to run more counter magic) the problem with it are the people who slam it into any u/b deck and bring it to non-cedh games. Just look at game one in this video, dude didn't need to oracle to win, he could have just used brain freeze on everyone else and mill their whole decks, and in game 2 the azami player didn't need oracle, all he had to do was drop a lab man or a jace to win.

1. Milling out other people is less safe than milling yourself out. A shuffle titan or other relevant effect could cause issues. 2. If you use lab man or jace, it leaves you more vulnerable to instant speed removal and requires you to draw meaning that thassas oracle is better. 3. I don’t get your argument in saying they had other ways to win. They chose thassas oracle which meant it was their best choice making it even MORE ubiquitous. Another point being that if everyone runs out of interaction, a player in a privileged position can just take the win undeservingly. *IN MY OPINION* thats lame.

@@FreddieFevens I was pointing out that just because oracle is an option doesn't mean the other ways to win aren't viable. Oracle is just more efficient. And as shown in this video twice they won "the hard way" with oracle, not using demonic consultation or tainted pact. Just because it's good doesn't mean it's ban worthy. Just gotta have that rule 0 talk at the start. The store I play at has banned oracle and as a result I switched my kess oracle deck to an Inalla wizard chess deck with a 20+ step combo to win that only needs 4 mana and a Spellseeker to win and makes the games way less fun because u gotta watch me tutor 7+ times and reanimate 5+ times and waste 15 mins.

Tbf at that point he has his entire deck in hand and infinite mana if you cant win at that point I dont know what to tell you it could have been blue sun or cast 60 spells and brain freeze but it would have just drawn the game out longer for no reason

I'm so bloody sick of it

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