Oshkosh 2017 is rich with bombers. We took a detailed tour inside the venerable B-52, covering both the cockpit (upstairs) and the weapons systems (downstairs).
I was a Marine rifleman (grunt) in Vietnam and my unit spent most of its time on the DMZ. I witnessed a number of B-52 strikes while we were at Con Thien and it was really quite something, We never knew they were up there until the hills in the distance disappeared in huge explosions. We did not hear the sound right away but first it was the sound of bombs falling (more of a enormous rushing sound than whistling), then the explosions, and finally, briefly the sound of bombers. Just one of those unforgettable sights of a lifetime (the strikes at night were almost blinding).
lol you are not a vietnam vet , you are too young.. pretty sure the B52 in vietname killed lot of trees instead of the vietnamese heroes.. long live vietnamese fighters
I flew B-52H at Grand Forks from Nov 66 to Apr 70. In this video the pilot mentioned that just one of the four alternators could power the aircraft. One mission we flew was called a Thule Monitor where we would fly up near Greenland and orbit for hours, watching in case Thule was hit by a Soviet ICBM. We would get a couple in inflight refuelings to keep us airborne. On one of these missions we ended up losing 3 of our alternators. Fortunately, the last one held up until we landed many hours later. We could still have flown if we lost the last alternator, however, we would have to gravity feed fuel out of the body tanks and the body tanks didn't hold enough fuel to get us home. So, we kept transferring fuel from the wing tanks to the body tanks to keep them full and kept calculating where we could get to if we lost the last alternator and had to rely on the body tank fuel. Made for an interesting mission.
I betcha: "interesting mission". I flew KC-97s in the 50's, because some clown in the Pentagon was sure that a prop bird could mate with a jet. It could, only if you went downhill for half an hour. B-47 troops were identifiable by the blue lines around their mouths. Those were the bad old days.
That's what keeps you guys flying in tough times, an innovative brain and a lot of guts! (We thank all USAF guys for their service in the air! God forbid we have a third World War, but if we do, it will probably nearly all be fought in the skies! We know our Air Force will take care of it efficiently and bravely!)
I was USAF 30151B (30154 secondary) airborne nav & doppler radar repairman back in '63-'67, assigned to 499th ARW and 99th BW, SAC, 57th Air Division, 8th AF and the B-52 C, D was our bomber at Westover AFB. Then reassigned to 68th AEMS, 68th BW at Seymour-Johnson AFB where we had the B-52G model and KC-135 tankers as well. Selected for the SAC Combat Competition at Spokane, Fairchild AFB in '66. We had nukes at both stations. I was then reassigned to Pleiku Air Base in Vietnam on A-1E Skyraiders to finish out. Still to this day got to pinch myself for those years in the USAF 50+ years ago, when I was an 18-22 year old kid with responsibilities one could not imagine, still here to talk about it for now.
Thanks for the tour! My Dad was a 52 pilot, 60-65 Cold War period. He flew the chrome dome missions out of Minot. I remember climbing into his 52 several times during annual family nights at the alert shack. Dad didn't really like his box lunches, do he brought them home for me, "the kid with a hollow leg", as he always referred to me as. I retired from Raytheon in 2014 and remember many 52 pilots coming to our briefings, in their flight suits. I could relate to their stories.
Did your dad know the pilots involved in 1961 Goldsboro B-52 crash, Yuba City B-52 crash, 1964 Savage Mountain B-52 crash, 1966 Palomares B-52 crash, 1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash.?
My father was a B-52 maintainer in Vietnam. I'm proud to see that this amazing aircraft is still serving with distinction and hope it remains in our inventory for many years to come.
I used to work south of this base and I loved to hear the engine's spinning up in the early mornings of an alert drill !!! God bless the 8th Air Force and those who serve in her !!!
Short story: As a young kid I saw one of these planes up close on an AFB public showcase day (don't remember the specifics of what event / where it was). I thought it was just about the coolest thing I'd ever seen when I heard that the ejector seats went downwards! I can remember looking straight up into the track / cockpit, both of which were open on that plane for viewing, and thinking what a ride that would have been (as much as my
Nice job of skirting around the real truth about some of the components and issues of this weapon. He didn't say anything about the bomb bay or the 47 section. However, he told more than I would discuss about this weapons system, even today. A former B-52G mechanic and winners of the 1965 Fairchild Trophy, World bombing champs. "Miss Magnolia" from the 454th Bomb Wing.
I see alot of people taking a walk down memory lane, & then someone says they grew up near oscota so here is my memory of my first ever B52 sighting. September b1961 Dafter twp. Chippewa county Eastern upper peninsula of Michigan. We had just moved down from the kenai peninsula ,Alaska. My folks were both from the lower peninsula so my mom was sure she heard a tornado. We were watching TV when we heard this screaming noise. Mom said it's a tornado, dad said no it's not, they don't have them up here. We all ran outside & looked up. I don't recall a moon, but the stars were clear. My dad said, my God, it's a huge plane I think it's a bomber, I can see it's siloette by the stars that go missing. Sure enough, even I at 6 yrs of age could see it. It couldn't have been 300 ft off the ground. About a WK later dad came home all excited & told Mom. You won't believe who I met in town. Apparently some childhood friend he hadn't seen in yrs, who was a tail Gunner on one of those bombers. So with in the week we were invited to their duplex out on the base, that we didn't even know was there. I'll probably mangle the spelling but that was the former SAC base Kinchelo, in Kinross. I learned years later that they liked to come in under the radar for practice & the radar goes down to 500 ft.
In 1966 my Brother in law, a Major flying KC-135's was stationed in Roswell, New Mexico. His neighbor a Lt. Col. was a B-52 Pilot took the three of us (in civilian cloths) on a tour of a Loaded B-52 with guards posted along the flight line. As we climbed aboard and headed for the cockpit I turned and looked back and saw these ominous large Bombs clearly marked as Nuclear weapons......just being in the same area with these things almost gave me a severe case of the shits, the Colonel smiled and said , "You have to get used to it" !!!!!
this sure brings back memories, I was at Castle AFB in 1971, first job I had on the flight line was jacking up by hand one of these planes. I was in the AR shop so I was working on all 4 models of the 52. The base had a D model on the launch pad fully loaded with nukes just sitting there day after day, just so it could be ready in case. I had to work on most of those systems this major was talking about and more. He didn't mention the drag chute when they landed, that was always cool looking when landing. Yes they do get hot inside, I always loved it when they pulled the plane in the hanger or had an AC unit pumping cool air in the cockpit. After I got out I went into the railroad biz for 34 years, but I always felt I got my start in the AF.
Actually, the ballast is for where the gun and hydraulic pack used to be. The 20mm Vulcan Gatling cannon was controlled and fired from up front. I know because I worked on these buffs in the early 80s at Ellsworth AFB! 28th AMS baby! :)
Really ? How much mind do people still have once you've carpet-bombed them into oblivion ? Face it, gun lovers : there's more power to mess minds up in trump's tweets than in all the B52's ever built.
It is fun to watch this video. My oldest brother was stationed at the SAC base in Spokane, Wash. He was in electronics and was a leader in repair crews that figured out electrical issues and upgrades. He passed away last July and I sure miss him.
Jesus I crawled around inside these monsters 50-plus years ago when I was a Doppler/nav radar repairman (30151B) 99th AEMS and the 68th AEMS, 8th AF SAC.
I remember climbing up in the wheel well to work on the Doppler radar system. I was in Guam TDY on the Tanker Task Force and for some reason the shop had no one qualified on the ASN-81 in the BUFF so, since it was almost the same system as was on my tankers, they recruited me to fill in. Someone had to show me where the components were mounted. The wheel well was a surprise to me. I came out of the 55th AMS, SAC, 328x5, Avionic, Inertial, and Radar Nav systems. That was only 40 years ago, but I still got to work on the D model. The memories!
@@thinkingoutloud6741 When were you on Guam? I went TDY there in '80. I was 319th AMS 328X4, SAC, as well. The AN/APN81 was in the KC-135 (along with the ASN-7 and Carousel IV INS), while the Buff (E, G & H models) had AN/APN89. I worked on both, very similar systems. Yeah, the location of the R/T and Tracker up in the wheel well was a treat, if there wasn't much fuel on board the plane would have a lot of room underneath! Climbing up on a wheel and scrambling over to the electronics bay was an experience.
@@TBlake-yf2sr I was there from Nov 81 to Feb 82. You clearly have a better memory than mine. I couldn’t remember the system name of the Doppler on the Buff... just that it was close to the -81. And I’m embarrassed that I messed up my AFSC.
I was lucky to be able to spend summers growing up in Oscoda Michigan. Wurtsmith AFB was a SAC base, 379th BW if I remember correctly. The Buffs and KC135s would practice all hours of the day and fly there patterns over Lake Huron. Nothing like a bomber coming low over the cottage at night and watch it making it's turns over Lake Huron on approach to WAFB.
April 1986-I was a guard on the front of a nuclear-loaded B-52. I was an Airman First-Class. Two of our 4 alert bombers had been positioned outside of the restricted area, so the crews were required to be with the planes. I was at my post and the crew of the plane was sitting the shade under the wing. The pilot, a Major, approached me and asked if I would like to go up into the plane. I told him I'd love to, but I can't leave my post and I thanked him. "Not even for 5 minutes?'' "No sir.'' I said. ''Seems like a waste'' he said and he walked back to the shade. 10 minutes later, the Deputy Wing Commander drove up to survey the operation. The pilot flagged him down and they talked for a few minutes. The DWC drove over to my supervisor's truck and talked to him. My Supervisor, a Tech Sergeant, walked over to me and took my rifle. The pilot told me I had permission to go up into the plane for a quick tour. It was fascinating. It was also about 120 degrees inside even though it was only 85 outside.
Awesome Kurt. My father rode B-52s on and off for 30 years as a navigator/DSO. He really never talked about it to me even though my curiosity was intense. I finally years later got to tour a retired B-52 in Illinois and the living space was far more worse than a Calcutta slum. God Bless all our patriots defending America!
@@cannedlaughter2535 the reasons can be varied, most likely they were sitting an advanced posture that required a shortened response time; the reasons for that are classified. There may have been a problem with the normal alert area, such as working on sensors, fencing, tarmac, etc. There is likely a few other possibilities, but those are some of the most likely. As to your alert pad point, for all intrinsic purposes anywhere a nuke loaded bomber sits is an alert pad and therefore has a no lone zone established around it that entails strict rules for the MX and security folks to follow as well as the crew. When a loaded bird is outside a secure alert area there are added security protocols that are enacted, a point guard is one of them which is what Kurtb8474 was performing. This is not as unusual as it sounds too, during generations, nearly every bird in every parking stub becomes an alert pad with point guards and a lot of added security. It is entirely within the realm of possibilities that Kurt was temporarily relieved of his point guard duties by his NCO while he got a quick look see inside. The AC has the authority to allow entry for this person (clearly not just anyone) in that situation and with the vice wing king paving the way it is a totally believable story (meant for cool breeze). Little known fact, when sitting alert, part of the initial crew brief on the pad with the crew chief many ACs would tell him, if we start engines and get a real world message and he sees the crew hatch pop open with no other signal from us (i.e. flashing the landing lights) that was his one chance to climb on board and have a chance of escaping what was coming...thankfully we'll never know what they might have done in that instance but it was the crew's way of giving the guy a chance.
@@mandolinic DC3's are still in private use today. its a great aircraft no argument but the C47, AC47 and R4D5 have long since been retired from military service.
I remember them landing at Offutt AFB in 1970-1973 when I was stationed there, along with SR-71. I was on the ground end of Looking Glass in Crypto maintenance. Never got on an airplane, spent 3 years 7 stories underground. It's too bad so many young people are missing military experience. It changed my life forever - in a good way.
Really cool video! Thankyou for sharing. My father was in the USAAF during WWII and he was an instructor pilot in Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses, B-24 Liberators and Martin B-26 Marauders when he was stationed at MacDill Field in Tampa, Florida in 1944. He became a B-29 Superfortress pilot in command in June of 1945 and he and his crew missed the war in the Pacific by only two weeks because the war had ended. He transferred to the USAAF Reserves shortly afterwards. While in the Reserves, he flew over the pond several times to England and flew B-17's, B-24's and Martin B-26 Marauders back to the United States where they were placed in storage awaiting their fate. He continued flying the B-29 Superfortress in the Reserves until 1956 when he transitioned to flying the Boeing B-52B Stratofortress as a co-pilot. He retired from the USAF Reserves in 1957. He loved flying the Stratofortress.
What a great video. My favorite part was how the "host" just let the Air Force guy do his thing and never interrupted. More video hosts need to do that.
"The comparison with the Wright plane in Vietnam wasn't that far fetched." It wasn't even a little far fetched; it was spot on. The Wright Flyer first flew in December of 1903, and the American involvement in Vietnam began in 1955. 1955-1903=52 years. The B-52 first flew in 1952, and went into service in February of 1955. This video is from 2017, and 2017-1955=62 years.
I was a crew Cheif on a KC135. We flew young tiger missions out of Thailand refueling bombers and fighters. We had bombers out of Guam and they needed fuel. Had 3 90 day tours over there. My permanent base was Warner Robins, Ga. Was something that I will always cherish. Those planes were amazing. I was 20 years old.
This is my favorite aircraft of all time. When I was a kid, SJ or Seymore Johnson AFB in Goldsboro, NC was still a SAC base. Dad use to take me every year to their open house. The 52s were stationed there at that time. (alot of them) LOL. I can tell you,....at 13-14 years old, there is NOTHING more impressive than a B-52 taking off, or landing. Love your vid, well done.
Going to SJ, this would have been in the late 1970s. Jr high school for me. I have always loved airplanes, however in some ironic chain of events,...ended up as a locomotive engineer for a major US railroad. LOL Long story. Still love airplanes.
Worked on G's in the US, and D's at U-Tapao. Was at Oshkosh last week and begged the Aircraft Commander to let me look inside. No luck! Was interesting to see they use the same autopilot today with vacuum tube amps! I guess if it works, don't mess with it.
got to see some B-52s with full loads of iron bombs when station in Thailand during 1968. I was Army enlisted assigned to the only munitions port at Camp Vayama, Thailand. Utapao, the B-52 base was about 30-40 Km to the east. Quite a few times I had to drive the CO over the Utapao for some activity and you could see the BUFFs. Impressive to watch them take off with the high heat and humidity.
@@joekoelker9038 Do you have any relatives in the Cincinnati area? I worked with a Bob Koelker at the local Coca Cola bottling plant in 65 and 66. I also worked for the Norick family in OKC from 76 to 85. A friend, Ron Norick, was mayor of OKC when the federal building was blown up.
@@mikeklaene4359 Have a cousin Bob Koelker 67-68 Navy Vietnam USS INTREPID. His brother Terry worked at a bottling plant in Grand Rapids Michigan. Don't know anyone in Ohio.
I was in the 7th Bomb Wing, part of the 8th Air Force. I actually flew in that very same plane back in the mid 1980s. It was a Carswell AFB at that time.
I remember my first tour of a B-52 (probably a B model) -- at Westover in 1958 (8th AF HQ). Wouldn't allow anyone inside the plane, just on crew platforms on the left side. Cameras were forbidden and subject to confiscation. B-47's were the king at the time, but some -36s were still in use, IIRC
Gwen Walcott Yes I toured the Buff in 76. Was working on F111s at the time. The crew chief just opened it up and said, don't touch anything. Of course we were all USAF, secret clearance or above and there wasn't anything eyes only at the time. Will never forget that old B52, sweet.
Gwen Walcott I remember the first time i saw a B47 sitting at the south end of Boeing field. I was probably all of 11 yrs old at the time and had yet to read the volume upon volume of warbird literature and seen nearly as many documentaries as all these years later. The obvious B52 wings ans engine nacelles and yet the damb thing had a canopy. A few years after that I walk in on my dad watching that old as hell even then Jimmy Stewart movie where he is, what? crew commander? on one of those. Good times. Now i have to back and watch some B47 stuff. Without Jimmy Stewart, that is.
My brother in law was at the Boeing plant back around 45yrs ago when they were picking up a 707-720 to bring back to the UK. They were watching the engineers doing stress tests on B-52 wings. The fuselage was strapped down and the wing tips pushed down to the ground. The wings were then jacked up 20ft, after which they were checked for cracks.
They've got a B52 at the Darwin Aviation Museum, Northern Territory, Australia, donated by USAF. You can walk around the airplane and under the bomb bay, but you can't actually get inside it, so your video is interesting. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
the one in the UK museum is also locked. you can visit the US air force musuem at dayton Ohio to walk into a B52. it's free! but check first if they still allow it if you do decide to go.
Back in the mid '80's I worked on that plane# when it was at Minot, AFB as an Electronic Warfare Specialist on these bombers as and in this video they did not show the EWO (Electronic Warfare Officer) or Fire Control area, which is on the same deck as the pilots just past the hatch going rearward of the Nav Crew. The Gunner or 'Fire Control' was the only enlisted person on the bomber...I guess that area is still classified???? Did many debriefings and during one debriefing the EWO told me that they had a lot of turbulence at 500' flying during an exercise and the enlisted guy (Gunner/ Fire Control) lost all his cookies and the whole crew had to go on oxygen....there were peanuts all over the floor and it really stunk...those were the days!
Todd B The gun in the G and H model was aimed using a radar. Having a constant RF emission like that provided a homing beacon for an RF seeking missle. Somewhat counterproductive I think.
I was a flight surgeon with 2d BMW at Barksdale from '81-'84 and at Eaker, 97th BMW from '87-'92 and regularly flew in the "G" model. Most of my miliitary flight time, 1135 hours, was in the BUFF (about 350 hours). Loved this airplane and miss being able to fly in them now.
I always wondered why the US kept the B-52 around but I’ve come up with 3 main reasons: 1. It’s a Boeing 2. She’s just plain bad ass 3. The “Stratofortress” badge on the yoke
apiece ofdirt Yoke. Also, they come out of phase inspections with beautiful center caps. They are always ripped off and kept as souvenirs by the crew chiefs.
The good ole days of Griffiss AFB, Rome New York. At the crack of dawn, three B-52's and three KC-135's would do a scramble take-off. Homes would rattle. The sky with black contrails from the full thrust of eight engines of each aircraft. F-106 Delta Darts, passing over as the house was less than a mile from the runway. It brings a tear to me eyes as I miss the good ole days of the Cold War. The Ronnie Reagan days.
I worked Avionics guidance and control at Wurrtsmith AFB for 88-91 . Worked on the G's there with the 379 OMS. Proudest years of my Air Force career and I'll never work with finer people.
Back in 1989, I saw a B-52D (tall tail) on display at the Travis Air Force Base Museum in Fairfield, California. After an inquiry, I was invited by a museum caretaker doing maintenance work inside that B-52 to enter the cockpit and look around. It was stripped of parts, but interesting and I was impressed. 👍
You're right there. One great big bird with all kinds of power. it's something how the Air Force is working on the new engines to replace the ones they're using in the aircraft now. That's amazing to know that the B-52 was produced in Washington at Boeing from 1952-1962. With 58 still flying & 18 on reserve, the B-52 is certainly one of Boeing's masterpiece aircraft.....
That Airforce man seems like a really cool guy but honestly all I would hear after stepping onto the flight deck is the song 'The Bomb Run' in my head.
The antiquated technology they still fly these planes with really frightens me. I sit on my daughter's back porch and watch these behemoths fly over every time I visit her. They are flying a couple of hundred mph but they are so big it looks like they are just hanging in the sky.
B52 Stratofortress........isn’t she a bute! I love these big beautiful birds! They live next to me at Barksdale Air Force Base. I would cook , and wash dishes, for the entire base for a week for free just to go up with her. Lol 😎
SO much has changed. My first military air show -- Westover AFB, 1958.. B-52B. Windows "taped" over. No cameras allowed around the aircraft (On board? Slap your mouth!). Now, it's show all, tell all. When I flew for the 55th SRW/SAC, all of our aircraft and missions were Top Secret. ... Now, even they re unclassified .... What a world.
Flew the BUF at Minot, Guam, U-T. Best explanatory video of the old gal I've seen. Good job. I only miss refueling from 20 years of AF and 26 years civil flying.
A nice clip for a couple of reasons: First, I can hardly believe I was in his position in the 50's; he's just a kid. And 2nd, that the cross-wind landing gear didn't catch on. Likely too expensive.
Nothing has changed in the cockpit since I left them in '93 (20th BMS Carswell AFB '85-'89, and 644th BMS K.I. Sawyer AFB '89 '-93) 3000 hrs in them as an A/C, IP, and Stan-Eval A/C. Loved that plane!
1961-65 EllsworthAFB,i remember the Red Alert when Pres.Kennedy's death,armed B52's taking off in elephant walk and the KC135s followng,still get goose bumps.
I use to Love watching a Bomb Strike from these things in Vietnam, couldn’t see the plane but sure as Hell seen the Arc-Light when the Bombs hit the Target! Love the nameplate on the dash? control center below all the gages “Diabolical Angel”. Fitting. 🤣 😂
I know some call this girl 'ugly'. But I think she's a beauty. And older than most of the men by far that fly her today. An amazing achievement from Boeing.
Yeah, I wondered what those were about . I presume that new avionics were installed and that's what those "hanging wires' were. Not necessarily pretty to look at ( the wires ,not Aircraft ) but still amazing to see this Aircraft still in Service for so long. I like the B-52 way more than the B-2 ( looks weird ) or the B1B Lancer( That Thing looks like an overgrown fighter - looks weird too) .
I remember when I was a kid working on a farm not far from Larson AFB near Moses Lake, Washington. When I would hear those engines I would run to the top of a little hill to watch the B-52s fly over. They were so low I could see up inside clear enough to see the pilot. Sometimes they would wave at me. I wish I would have had a camera back then. B-52s hadn't been out very long at that time. They weren't really stationed there at the tjme. I think they might have been from Fairchild AFB in Spokane. They were certainly thrilling to see.
1982-1983 I flew on C-141s and C-5s, and got to look into the cockpit of an F-15. 1985 I flew on a KC-10 on an inflight refueling mission. Two years ago at an airshow, I paid big bucks for the last flight of the day on a WW2 B-25. Since it was the last flight, it was about 45 minutes instead of the usual 15. Well worth the price. The most I have ever seen of the interior of a B-52 outside of this video was in the movie, "By Dawn's Early Light".
I was in the airfoils at Castle AFB in the early eighties. I worked mostly on the G model but sometimes on the H. I loved every minute of it. You did a great job with this video. Thanks for bringing fond memories of those days!
Very, very cool! Amazing these magnificent machines are still in service. One would think they would update the cockpit to more glass and more systems automation. It's a flying museum..Nice job guys!
I enjoyed my time on B-52Ds in SAC circa late '70s and early '80s. It was amazing experience for a young man to be a part of history, when SAC was wound so tight during some of the most perilous, "Evil Empire" days of the Cold War. There was a real sense of being on the ramparts, standing guard. That being said, I'm glad I did it, but I wouldn't want to do it again.
irwinrussell60 I was very tempted to ask a pilot that at an airshow last year but the line of people asking them how many muslims they blowed up was too long.
MGTOW Academy ...me too! I love them so much. I live next to BARKSDALE And so do they. I have loved that big beautiful bird all my life. I can’t help it, when she lifts that huge body up into the air tears roll down my cheeks every time. Wow, I’m such a sap! Lol
I was a KC-135a boom operator, we had a friendly rivalry going between us and the gunners. It makes me chuckle to think they've been replaced by 2,000 lbs. of concrete. (kidding) I bought a couple T-shirts from the crew under the wing there, the "Shut Up Hippy" is my favorite!
@MrCaptainBlack1 - and you apparently don't get the reference. Or are just a super aggressive moron who can't even come up with his own insults and just copies whatever is going around at the time.
KutWrite I think it was the CRM114, but you were close enough. Interesting note about that, Kubrick got so close to the real cockpit he was questioned by the USAF
I read that in the 1964 making of Dr Strangelove that USAF wouldn't share details of the interior thus Kubrick had to make it up. What Kubrick produced was so close to reality that it launched a intell investigation. The smell of spent JP4 and I'm instantly reminded of days past. Hellenikon AB Greece 1978-1980 & Carswell AFB Tx 1980-1982.
Not sure about the USAF but in the Navy the top student got their choice then the needs of the Navy took over, in the 22 years I was in the top student always choose fighters!!!
@@bender7565 These days it kind of sucks. The top few students will get fighters, but the next best lately have been getting assigned UAV or if they're lucky weird stuff like U-28. So you have the situation where people try to perform less than they're capable of because they don't want to get stuck being a drone operator.
Mostly, yes. I made a bad assumption when I graduated: I thought ARS meant 'Air Rescue Squadron', when it really meant 'Air Refueling Squadron'. Chalk it up to being a dumb kid.
NEVER DO THAT, MIKE! Male black high school students do that to prove to their friends that they 'ain't whities', and look what happens. That's a MAJOR problem in the U.S. today. Don't fall into that trap.
