This dude has some of the best info out there. Appreciate the great content man can not tell you enough how much I appreciate you taking the time to do this.
Dont have the tp9, but after reading up on the trigger mechanism, i have to agree the apc9kg is the best. I have a apc9 and for competition i had to register it as a sbr (which is easy because it makes an awesome pcc sbr), Apc9k is the best for travel, i moved my brace that came on the apc9 to it. Perfect. Been on many trips. Apc9 sits in a safe waiting for a match. My only wish is that the 3 lug was integrated on the K. 1/2x28 isnt bad would like it integrated for 3 lug cans.
I had a steyr years ago, I asked a friend about buying a tp9 he told me it was a money pit. He said buy anything but the Tp9. He said you spend a ton of money on it, the a ton on the stock, sbr form 1 and the goofball grip. Then you have to shell out a bunch on the can. This is what he was telling me, knowing I have over 40 stamps and took 8 years to get my pkm and 5 building a RPD. So he knew I went through alot. I'm newer going the B&T route and have had invitations to meet the CEO and come into their office about 30 minutes up the road. I just have been resisting because I know I'll buy everything they make.
A compact magazine in either platform lets it fit in a number of other smaller packs (if you're keeping the mag in the gun as opposed to just in the pack). I prefer the 15 round flush magazine in my TP9 with a couple standard 30s in the pack.
This is one of the best youtube channels. Great collection! I wish we saw some footage of them shooting. Trying to decide which pdw and pcc is best for me but gas in the face suppressed/unsuppressed is a big deciding factor for me. Also you mention the sig 7.62 can being the quietest can they make. Have you tried 300 subs out of a surefire socom 300?
Thank you I appreciate your support! If you are just trying to pick the best starter (but high quality) PDW I would recommend the APC9K-G or the GMC9C-G if you are interested please feel free to email me: sales@axarms.com - I have used surefire suppressors as well and they are also good performers but the 19 baffle Sig SRD762TI is particularly quiet.
Thanks for watching Tony. Also check out my newer videos covering the new APC9 Limited Line. I highly recommend that model. Also check out my website: AxArms.com
If ya like the TP9.. You'll love my MP-57. Basically the same thing kinda but smaller.. lighter.. and in a stronger 5.7 caliber. Can keep about the same amount of rounds in a smaller mag so easier to conceal. I may get a TP9 or something similar tho so I can shoot it cheaper tho. Great video bud
@@AXARMS sweet I'll deffo check into it. I think 5.7 is a very overlooked and underrated round. Hopefully PSA coughs out some decent new flavors of the round and gets more people into it with the caliber with the Rock 57 they're about to offer. I may snag one since it kinda shares Ruger mags. I posted a few quick videos with the 5.7 I have too if ya wanna see. I'll check ya out more when I get off work. Thanks bro later😎
Please clarify "stronger 5.7 caliber" I know you're not saying the 5.7 is more powerful than 9mm. I like 5.7. I have a couple guns chambered in it. But in no way is the 5.7 more powerful, or stronger, than 9mm, if that's what you were saying. And it seems like you were. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
@BDEbaby Depends on how you look at it. Do the math for horsepower vs weight and I would wager the 57 is yes stronger, like how most all rifle ammo is stronger pound for pound vs heavy larger pistol ammo for its weight. I did kinda mispeak as I usually say this when discussing 57 vs the 4.6 MP7 and it's been so long since I commented I guess that is what I had on the brain when I said this. Honestly I don't recall even saying this lol. So while I did mispeak, there's ways it us yes. Plus being able to carry 2-3 57 rounds vs a heavier 9mm round is in many ways more power also. Then add in the fact the 57 applies all its energy to a smaller point of contact with it using a Spitzer bullet vs a wider slower bullet and it's apt to do more damage to a smaller spot, if that makes sense lol? I'm reaching here lol, but I'll have stand by my word choice and will allow ya to flog me tho if you feel so inclined on my word choice lol
B&T makes some sweet looking guns. I know they’re pricey but damn they seem awesome. Those TP9’s are one of very few PCC’s that excite me. Probably because they’re so small that they actually make sense as a PDW that you can easily toss in a backpack without issue, or even slung under a jacket. The APC9 is also one that interests me because it’s very small and light. It reminds me of an MP5 but without all the added work to accessorize it. It comes with 1913 rails all over it. Sure, it’s blowback and not roller delayed but the way it comes ready to accept accessories without needing to change the handguard offsets that to me. It’s definitely not cheap, but I consider it a better deal than an SP5.
Thanks! It’s the Steiner CQBL, it was originally designed for the HK MP7, ironically the HK MP7 was originally designed and inspired after the Steyr TMP- The B&T TP9 is an evolution of the Stery TMP- B&T purchase. the design from Stery.
@@AXARMS thanks man! I’m pretty sure I’ve spied some of your sales on GunBroker recently unless I’m getting you confused with somebody else but yeah, I have a factory B&T TP9 SBR inbound so I’m looking at mounting options for the ACRO. I’m a new 07/02 but I don’t have a dealer account with Aimpoint so trying to find one at a decent price with a mount has been challenging as I want the FDE version.
Hello I purchased this from a Banana Republic Retail store, I believe it was called a waxed canvas bag. I’m not seeing it on their website it may have been discontinued.
@@incubus12a And, upgraded internals, new magazine compatibility, a three lug suppressor interface, and side rail. - They took a very limited machine pistol and turned it into a modern PDW.
@@AXARMS I was carrying the TMP from 1994 till 1999. Very easy to cover it under the jacket or in hot weather to put it in a plastic bag when in public. (Never had to use it tho 😇). I love it!
@@incubus12a austrians are quite as good as the swiss when it comes to firearms. Ask an american to point Switzerland or Austria on a map, ahahaha. They'll show Sweden and Australia. Deez nuts.
B&T TP9 is a great for running with a long range setup. TP9 goes in a Holster, great instead of a Pistol to cover 100m and in, then I have my TRG42 338LM to go long Range. Have a Surefire XVL2 IR Laser/Illuminator with PVS-14’s a B&T Suppressor on the TP9 and a Banish 338 on the TRG42. Get a lot done at night if you wanted to.
The USW would be the better "in holster backup sbr". The tp9 is just a little too big for that sidearm role. The usw with the same side folding stock, on the other hand, would be perfect.
Nice comparison. Doesn’t look like the APC9 can be fired when the B&T telescoping stock is collapsed (blocks ejection port)..that’s too bad it’s designed that way.
@@AXARMS i know but I'm saying i see the role of something like a tp9 makes more sense and if your going to the size of a ghm9 then a 7in 300blk makes a lot more sense and you could at least defeated lvl2 body armor
if they updated the tp9 to have a slightly longer stock, a modern muzzle device/suppressor adapter, and parhaps a bit more agressive charging handle, it's be a real mean machine
On the APC9, You mentioned the K has a threaded barrel with an adaptor to a 3 lug. Can that adapter go on any threaded barrel and then use the tp9 suppressor and the adapter to the standard 3 lug?
@@taylorkutlass6220 right, I thought he had one and put it on an APC. So I’m wondering if I get a thread to 3 lug, will the tp9 suppressor work on any gun then?
The adapter that comes with the APC9K is a 1/2x28mm to 3-lug adapter. It can be threaded on any 1/2x28mm barrel. The TP9 suppressor requires a specific adapter for use on a *standard 3-lug interface. The TP9 itself cannot accept any other suppressor aside from the B&T TP9 suppressor, this is due to the rotating TP9 barrel design.
The adapter that comes with the APC9K is a 1/2x28mm to 3-lug adapter. It can be threaded on any 1/2x28mm barrel. The TP9 suppressor requires a specific adapter for use on a *standard 3-lug interface. The TP9 itself cannot accept any other suppressor aside from the B&T TP9 suppressor, this is due to the rotating TP9 barrel design.
@@AXARMS correct, the tp9 suppressor has an adapter to connect to a regular 3 lug right? If that’s the case, the with 2 adapter, I can pretty much connect to any gun…. In theory right?
Just got my APC9 pro, they went down on price significantly here in my city =) I think this is gonna be the one where I'm gonna bend the knee and pay my Tax for an SBR.. . I really want to go with a UMP stock and a BCM somewhat vert grip lol Already test fired with my Wolfman and yes.. this thing needs a stock.
It's obvious that the in grip magazine system will give you a shorter gun with same barrel length than a gun with dedicated magazine housing. The barrel starts from the grip area while on the other gun, the barrel starts from the dedicated magazine housing. So the length from the grip to magazine housing is non existent on the pistol type gun which make the gun really short and compact. I mean every csrbine should be made in this pistol type as there is no benefit of having a dedicated magazime housing other than a longer sight radius.
@@AXARMS both are equally fast. How does it being on the front makes it faster. You just have to press button or push a lever and then insert the new mag. Infact grip magazine reload is even faster as you can press the button with the grip hand itself and do the reload with your other hand. While in front magwell you have to do both the pressing of the button while holding the new mag and inserting it, doing both with your left hand only takes more time. That's it. Rest is your choice.
@@AXARMS coming back to you. Uzi got popular coz of it's compact design, conceal ability and hand to hand reload, even in the dark, reloading is possible and easy due to right to left hand position sensitivity. This was mentioned in marketing Uzi atleast, which means grip magwells are more ergonomically better. Just my opinion. Theres isnt a really specific beneficial reason for front magwell carbines other than good look. Rifles have longer rounds, so front magwell is understandable there, but on pistol round carbines, grip well is the best.
@@narendrairengbam112 The uzi is outdated, and not used today by any military or law enforcement for a reason. - Magwell grip fed guns are great for machine pistols or PDWs where a very small profile is one of the *most important design elements. But in general a primary submachinegun with a forward magazine well is superior, because reloads are faster, this is why the US Army and US Secret Service recently selected the B&T APC9K as their newest 9mm Submachinegun in their armory, for tasks such as diplomatic protection detail.
What do you think if a company came out with an aftermarket lower for the APC that places a Glock magazine in the pistol grip? Mag release and bolt catch would be in a good spot. Safety would be a little different and the trigger would be somewhat of a bull pup style trigger like the TP9. The APC would still be pretty heavy.
@@AXARMS Yeah i try not but I just cant seem to make enough for the things I'd like to experience in life. Kinda why I love seeing ur vids, sorta living vicariously thru what you & other guntubers have. I'd love to have anything from b&t. But serving & working warehouses isnt getting me any closer. I want to switch things up just dont know what cuz you need some sort of schooling or degree/certifications to make any good money it seems.
One thing you mentioned is that these weapons are somehow more powerful than handguns of the same caliber. Exactly how is that? Slightly longer barrel maybe? Otherwise how is a 9 mm out of a short barreled PDW superior to a 9 mm out of a duty pistol? I can see advantages to a PDW, but the round itself is the same 9 mm, no? Maybe subsonic for use with a suppressor, But that would be even less powerful. You cannot change the laws of physics.
SBRs are more accurate than handguns, and have a higher mag capacity, which equates to more lethality. I didn’t say the 9mm was more powerful than when shot out of a handgun- but I did illustrate the above point.
To me, the real difference is one is kinda bulky and the other is a scam. PDWs should be made in fixed barrels unless its a Flux MP17. no excuse for a rotating barrel. But I see why you made your points.
@@AXARMS true, and I dont judge those who buy it, I just think B&T could have dont better. The maxim 9 pistol, is even smaller and its not meant to be a pdw, but was able to have a fixed barrell design. I feel if B&T took there time, they could have had some sort of fixed barrel and give the same type of package far greater accuraccy. The APC9 i feel missed out on multiple things that should have been done, mlock rails or somthing simuler on both sides, a fixed barrel design with a delay mechanism, even the trigger, some owners I heard were able to improve it by using a dremel on a couple parts of the trigger peices without any damage. Again I dont judge those who buy and review it. Even some of my favorite gun tubers use the APC9 alot. Then again you could say Im a gun snob because I think the external piton design on guns are obsolete.
Everyone rags on the trigger, if you have ever shot a bull pup you would understand the feel, it’s not a great trigger but for me it’s not a deal breaker.
@AXARMS i think, if you have a mp5 , a g3 clone , a pump gun in 12/70 and a combat 9 mm pistol you have exactly what you need to defend all you have to defend. All of them use easy to obtain ammunition and have proven mechanics.
I would like your opinion. If you had to have one for a woman who is left handed and her right arm is severely disabled would the TP9 be better suited because of its weight? She can shoot a standard pistol just fine and wants to get into a different platform but every AR ive been able to put together has been too unfriendly for her. Thanks.
The GHM9 is a very different platform, The GHM9 was designed for the civilian market. The APC9 was designed for professional use, The APC9 is B&T’s duty grade firearm. They are not the same. 🥴
I have a post sample MP5 Submachinegun it’s a smooth shooter, but the ergonomics and optic mounting options are very outdated. And it’s less mechanically reliable than the APC9.
Having one of these without full auto is completely useless, might as well just have a regular striker fired pistol. Now I mean useless as in what’s the point? Why not just get a rifle caliber pistol?
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."You know the acro is my favorite optic" Tell me you're a hypebeast without telling me you're a hypebeast. Especially for the first acro. The p2 is a little better, but to call either your "favorite optic" is just cringy. That sounds like sonething someone with money that's just getting in to guns would say because they think they're suppose to. The acro isn't even the best small enclosed emitter optic. The window size is atrociously small for its size. And I'm not an aimpoint hater. They have become pretty bad in recent years, but I'm not hating on them just to hate. I have a p2 on my ghm9 sd and I'm going to put one on my apc9k when they start producing enough for me to buy at retail, but that's just because they just look right on the b&t mount on a b&t gun. They're just suppose to go together. And it's ok to say that. Anyone that says the acro, especially the original acro, is their favorite optic though is just too damn cringy. Please, take it back and clarify that statement.
