Back to School: Fast Shooting Lesson by Mack, Martial Archery 

Oh how I love it that FINALLY Archers working together to improove archery, instead of telling each other what they do wrong. This is the right thing to do. I wished I had people like this when I started 24 years ago. Imagine where I could be today... Imagine where you can be in 20 years if you start training all that stuff NOW! thanks 1000 times for your will to cooparate and for this video especially.

Sooo glad the archery world is coming together on the varied styles of shooting. I am sick n tired of "Bow Snobs" that teach their way is the "proper" way! Keep us posted on your WFA findings. Thanks Armin!🏹🏹

Is a cool technique like everything everyday practice and it depends on each one. Better not concentrate on the odd feather don't look when nock. the eyes on the target. and works. A lot of practice. It's always good to see you enjoy when you shoot. Cheers Armin 👍

I will do a video on drawing from the quiver right now I can do 1 arrow per 2 seconds and have achieved under 1 second per arrow with arrow placement in the quiver. Arrow placement in the quiver is absolutely important learned that from Mihai, and easy to do. Loading from the quiver is the next step. And I promise To release another video. And sir you did excellently well. Ur a true master archer.

What you described at the end kinda reminds me of Turkish speed shooting, where they'd hold arrows around the head of the arrow, between their knuckles. Great video as always.

I'm using a similar technique, I'm curious if y'all might prefer it. I'll make a video about it soon

Awesome. Very humble of you

What a great idea! Do keep us posted on this, seems really interesting!

Amazing. Thank you Armin so much This is what I needed.

Excellent - the art continues.

I love these videos! So calming, yet infromative and inspirational at the same time. Can't wait to get outside later today and try this technique. Thanks so much!

Practice practice practice. Can't wait to try these different techniques. 🙏

JoergSprave "instans Legolas" is THE winner 😀

There is another kind of ancient draw if you want to try, While pulling the drawing hand just put the thumb like a hand pistol gesture or a kind two fingers slavic draw. Its use in South east Asia, very stable to shoot anyway. In Thai vs Malay War they used in a boat, on an elephant or to shoot the person a elephant. I posted a link to a mural before but I suppose commenters can't send a link

have you ever seen "archery boras" videos? he's using arrows with 4 feathers but spaced 120/60 degrees instead of even 90. you can shoot the arrow either way around and its the same. also you get the space between the feathers for your finger when shooting slavic. seems ideal for what you're trying to do.

Very cool news!

Thanks Armin and Mack, I’ve been practicing nocking the arrows like this all week, after watching Mack’s videos. I’ve gotten the hang of quickly nocking one arrow, but when I try to hold 3 like that, I’m all thumbs and drop them. Definitely a steep learning curve! 🤣 thank you both 👍😊🏹

Looking forward to seeing that.👍🏼👍🏼🇺🇸

You can hold 3 arrows in thumb and pointing figer verry close to each others and in one movment when string back gently drive next arrow by pointing finger into string and shot again and again. But you need thumbrung for stronger bows.

Love IT! So much unknown, and so many various techniques. Will be a study within itself to find in a tried and true measure which techniques work for which situations. Inspiring to see so many into Archery Speed Shooting. Great Job Armin! Please keep them coming.

I think the combination will do it. 3 preloaded arrows like bambambam and than you grap you bundle and go bam, bam, bam... If you think in a fight in the woods, after you hit the first 3 very fast, the rest will probably hide and you have more time. But who knows... I would really like to have more tutorials of different fastshooting stiles. 3 Arrows Mondays 😄

I think too few people in the archery community put anytime into learning to shoot fast, for me its very important as historically it was seen as something you had to be able to do or you were just weren't very good. Shooting fast and on target is as much a skill as shooting precision slowly in my opinion they are just different.

just spent the last few hours practicing and found that lining the cock feather with the forefinger and index just took my draw to a new level. I have left eye dominance and am right handed, but my left eye is long sighted and my right eye short, so notching arrows quickly is...problematic. However, using that two finger/cock feather method means i get the arrow notched, drawn and released in one fluid motion (thumb release). Thank you.

So the next thing I want to learn :D :D It really does not stop revealing new things what one can do with a bow.

Thank you so much for sharing your first steps in another technique! 👍 It reminds me of myself trying to figure out blind nocking 😁 You’ll manage it quickly! Keep up the fun! 🏹🔆

Thank you

9:51 this is the way i do my fast shooting Technique and i've been doing it for over a year, i've learned it from you a long time ago 👍

Regulations is a verty interesting way to shape what speed contest may look like Reloading might flatten things between fast shooter slow reloading(like the technique you showed) and moderate fast shooting but simpler reload Thanks for sharing, will try that today:)

I actually used this technique since I startet archery a few years ago. Thought it to be rather common and no big deal :-)

6:45 "It needs to happen while I load" yeah that's why I typically stick with the method Mihai uses, 8:55 then sleight of hand is minimal.

i have a chem test tomorrow and idk wat am doing here but i’m very intrigued

Cheers

Great video you two! Mack, I finally see how you do it, will try this soon... and Armin, why did not you nominate me with my bowhand style 😂 ?

Yes there are different kinds of markers for different kinds of archery. But for speed shooting I like your mention about 10 arrows in 30 seconds, and how do you handle getting the arrows out of the quiver. Seems like there is enough people who have mastered recreating different kinds of speed shooting just shooting a couple arrows. So feels like there is a good foundation there. But adding in the dynamic of pulling arrows from a quiver, that would be a really good marker. Great video

Whenever I try this method (I learned it from Mack---from Martin Sporri's content except he uses two-fletched arrows), I practice doing it with the odd feather turned the other way to test my own limits when it comes to speed and "sleight of thumb" as I say, so that way it doesn't become somewhat of a crutch to have the odd feather poking out already, know what I mean? Working on how fast can get the nock alignment down without overthinking.

Setelah sekian lama menunggu, akhirnya Masrter Armin membuat konten teknik memanah lagi... 😍😍😍

Armin just feel your nocks and line them up. Don't worry about the odd feather. I learned not to worry about the odd feather from you. The most important thing to nocking fast is the nock position Mack being an American is worrying about the odd feather where he doesn't really need to. But if your nocks are lined up with the odd feather then it helps. But you have said in the past that the odd feather doesn't matter and I agree. So free yourself from the feathers and concentrate on feeling the alignment of the nocks. But this does make Macs achievement even better.

maybe there is something like burst shooting like preload hand shooting and on the other side continous manner shooting like reloading from quiver only and a mixed manner

Great video! I love your channel. What bow is the black bow you are using?

I think distance will affect speed for some techniques. Some techniques might be application specific, and so comparing a fast technique that can shoot 3 accurate shots at 50m or more isn't necessarily going to be comparable to a speed technique loosing 5 arrows in close quarters even faster, but with less range accuracy and penetration.

I can't wait to watch everyone set speed records!

I have attempted the Commanche style fast shooting but I am not that accurate. I do use a thumb ring and hold my extra arrows and bow with my bow hand. The arrows on the bow hand are arranged that I can easily grab, nock, draw, release, and repeat with good grouping at 20 yards. Someday I would like to visit Armin for lessons in person.

Back to School.. will it be a series? I would love to see you following the lessons of Mihai Cozmei, could from the earlier video where he still shoots with thumb. I tried myself, and was satisfying when you get the rhythm. in my case accuracy was terrible. I commented once that there too many bow reviews. I am very happy with all the videos you are making. You do a good work Armin.thank you for sharing your knowledge.

I taught Mack that arrow grip!!

Hey Armin. Ich bin ein Einsteiger. Welche Bogenart würdest du mir für das traditionelle Bogenschießen empfehlen?

I figured out a fingerdraw technic years ago I m training with... I also thought about making RU-vid videos... but then I always thought I dont become a great youtuber and nobody will look at my videos... so therefore I just silently experimenting and training for myself... however... my fingerdraw technic is similar to slavic release... the only thing is to add the thumb to the index finger so then you pinch the arrow with the Index finger on right side and the thumb on left side... this gives even better stability then slavic and you can even shoot nockless arrows with this style... of course you use 2 fingers under the arrow to draw the string same like in slavic too... and with this modified slavic release I am. also holding the arrows like mack and in this video... I also enjoy your videos and reviews a lot Armin! komm mal wieder nach Bayern und lass uns mal zusammen Speed Shooting machen :) Prost Armin!

I tried the technique developped by Lars Andersen and Lead longbow because it was compatible with mediterranean draw. Problem when you try it with something else than a short bow, brace height can be too long to grab the arrows, your arrows might be too heavy to hold them straight and ready to nock. Another archer Panagiotis Kavalieratos made a video 3 years ago, same results, you need a short bow and short arrows. Also you need custom arrows with a wide nock or no nock at all. Personally, shooting with the Jackal Assyrian and classic 30 inches arrows with classic nocks, it simply doesn't work without the proper material. Also something very common with fast shooting, your feathers end up broken very fast. So guys, if you want to practice fast shooting, you need the proper bow, a long one for oriental fast shooting (longer brace height and draw length), a short one for the comanchy version (shorter brace height, shorter draw length). I recommand a bow with a small grip for the comanchy style. For the arrows you need a wide nock, easy to nock and easy to pinch. And you should use short feathers with comanchy technique and long ones with 3.5 inches between the nock and the feathers for oriental technique. This way I think you can start practicing seriously and improve quickly.

Are those defined standards for fast archery already published in some video? I can't find them anyway :/

I would be very curious about what you would come around when you try to shoot larp arrows fast. The foam tips make them a little bit awkward to handle, and the top-heaviness makes it difficult to hold a bunch of them at their rear ends. Atm im doing best with grabbing them behind the tips, but im curious if i'm overlooking something. Like your style at the last segment of the video.

I think to evaluate speed shooting both accuracy and penetration needs to be counted. Say, on target would be a full score and slightly off would be half a score and so on. Same goes with penetration, with >5 inches being a full score and 3-5 inches being a half score and so on. Who can get the most score out of 30 seconds (regardless of # of arrows) would be the winner.

If you look at fire arm competitions. They divide things into differant classes, but all compete in the same firing range. So your pump shot gun and semi auto are classed differently but will run the same course, thus making it sure the competition is not just one type gun showing up. I like the range of methods for arrow handling that have come up and don't want to see it become about the one fastest method and nothing else. I would add formalized names for the various methods would be nice.

I’m used to using differently colored “Odd feathers” to make it easier for identification. That may help to twist the arrow into the proper position. I’m new to Asian bows, but in Mediterranean archery style, the odd feather is colored differently from the other two feathers. It would take me too much time to identify the odd feather if all were the same color. I hope that this may help.

Yea you can only do this if you have half moon nocks , try it with Regular nocks you can’t shoot that fast with regular nocks .

Hello Armin , im looking for a all purpose bow ( horse bow ) and preferably composite , which bow u recommend the most

Dont forgozle having a straight Arrowflight on yor Speedshooting Competition. Important aswell.

Dannnng u got quick so fast. Holy cow. Most time people go only 5 seconds per arrow. And u got to 2 second per arrow soooo fast. Holy crap.

Servus Armin, ich hoffe ich nerve dich nicht mit meinen Fragen, ich habe Ali Bow angeschrieben ob der Xongkoro nochmal erhältlich erhältlich ist da er auf ihrer Homepage out of Stock ist. Ihre Antwort war Hi Fishcer, Yes it is available. However due to the bow can be easily twisted (and would be very hard to repair) if drawn or strung improperly, we only offer them to experienced archers. Have you shot a manchu bow before? If so, could you share a video of you shooting? Regards, Ali Bow Nun zu meiner Frage, ist der Bogen wirklich so schwer zu händeln? Ali Bow will jetzt noch ein Video von mir wie ich mit den Qinghai schieße. Hi Could you show me a video of you shooting the bow? Regards, Ali Bow

Did he actually say the odd feather is out, or dis he just say look at the feather to see how it slides along the string. If the odd feather is important, just make four fletched arrows and make your life easier 😁 I like this idea for a series.

Tried the pinched grip of Lars with a really low poundage bow and at the first attempt, the nock slipped my grip and I slapped my face hard but it was so funny!

A wise man once said, it really doesn't matter if the odd feather is out 🤔

As for the rules for fast shooting, why not go for that rule from Saracen archery. You must hit a target at 60 bows length, or what ever it was, with 3 arrows, under 1.5 second. As this discipline is not used for war. So you don't have to shoot 10 arrows. Much like how the Manchu had that test with drawing heavy bows. All you had to do was draw the bow to proove yourself.

Can I hunt with a Horse Bow?

i'd say some of the regulations should be with a minimum 50 pound bow at 28 inches, and they should draw the the bow minimum of 25 inches draw length, cause it should be effective in real-life situations because it's archery and not guitar playing

Wow... that's a tough assignment to do... shooting fast how to time it because so many technique..but I would suggest that if the timer starts from grabbing a bunch of arrows put it in a quiver and then on to whatever arrangements arrows technique apply then shoot...I think then some technique could come because some fast shooting is merely about nocking and launching the arrows in a prepared arrangements of the arrows which was never time how fast that would take😅🤔...if in a quick situations if our bow and arrows are on the wall or in a quiver like all in a bunch of them and suddenly we are under attack..then we will be slower to react due to our arrows need to be arranged in the hand in certain ways...and what if it is in a jungle situations were we need to be agile moving jumping running and stuff....he he ..some thinking huh ..lar Anderson would be thrilled to take this challenges and develope some moves...and maybe that might sparks out some young talents to try it...just my humble thoughts... following

One would think that if under real pressure to shoot fast, one would never have the luxury of time aligning anything like the cock feather. Good excuse for 4-fletch arrows

I stand schooled 😅.

I always felt Lars Andersons way was better. Simple Slavic style which would get fast via constant training

My only problem with this is it is really necessary? What's the point? Spraying the countryside with arrows? I am reminded of those full auto enthusiasts of firearms who simply love spraying the target with slugs. It has no reason for being and speaking as someone who is both an archer and a Vietnam vet one arrow, like one bullet, is all you should need. Anything else is just waste, of time and effort.

Um ....yeah ....if it takes a heap of dexterity just to nock an arrow...then your not offering the viewers anything except a crap ton of frustration and time wasted when they could simply learn the correct historical technique that is far far far more simple, far easier without all the frustration and the viewer will feel like they have been given something of real value and importance. If you have to arrange the arrows...be it the nocks or the fletching prior to shooting ....then you have missed the entire point and you do not know how to blind nock, the whole point of blind nocking is to be able to just grab an arrow or arrows from a quiver and immediately and quickly fire them off in a way that maintains total control of the arrow so that the risk of miss nocking or fumbling the arrows is very low