Bad art advice that everyone thinks is good

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There's lots of good art advice out there...things that almost everyone agrees is good. But Its not necessarily mandatory for everyone, and people shouldn't be forced to make art for any agenda. A community of 'selfish' artists creating whats true to themselves adds beauty and variety to the world. An ENTIRE community of artists catering to every single popular belief from the same perspective, creates a boring, lifeless world with no color. I'd rather live in the former.
Don't get me wrong, its great when individuals or even groups of artists create for a cause they are passionate about. However, too often people constantly nag every artist they see to create for X morally justifiable reason. The only job an artist must do is to be themselves and share their unique vision with the world. In the case that it is aligned towards a bigger cause, it should be completely up to their decision. Its similar to how trendy it is these days to claim that every 'influencer' who doesn't speak out against a topic, is in support of it. This needs to stop but first artists need to become aware of whats going on.
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@ergojosh 2 года назад

I think this was an amazing coincidence - Adam released a video talking about the same ideas, but of course, in his own amazing way (honestly I'm envious lol) Please check out Adam Duff's recent video here! :ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Vfz8DtD-Qm8.html His perspective and compassion with how he speaks is very, very enjoyable to listen to.

@tradesmanjaegs4992 2 года назад

We like your haircut.

@ImBlueDontBe 2 года назад

@@tradesmanjaegs4992 we do

@Bridget7521 2 года назад

Ha, how coincidental is this? I just got through watching your video and prior to you mentioning this. His video was right underneath your's. 😁

@dplj4428 Год назад

Yep, coincidentally, I watched that video by Adam Duff, similar on 3 Point Perspective, and Ethan Becker.

@MrB_Chamberlain 2 года назад

My only criticism of you is that you didn't decide to narrate audiobooks for a living. Your voice is gold, absolute gold!

@ergojosh 2 года назад

hahaah thank you!

@cazkiwinz4300 2 года назад

What he said! ^^^ 🤗🤗🤗

@Bossman50. 2 года назад

So true.

@theglitterbombmom 2 года назад

It is! I always come to learn and enjoy the content and sometimes he puts me right to bed 😂

@willemotalmaro2036 2 года назад

Yeah, I agree. I am sensitive to loud sounds and some days it's really hard to listen to anything, but this guy I can listen to without any problems, great voice!

@Metal-Spark 2 года назад

"Try to be diverse by being you" - man I love this outlook so much. Our diversity comes from the community at large, not from every individual artist trying to represent everyone and everything. If we all support each other then the diversity will increase organically.

@trashbug4843 2 года назад

exactly what's been on my mind for the past two years. I love doing self portraits, or drawing characters that look like me, but then I feel like I'm not drawing enough white people, or men, etc. But when it comes to people who inspire me, I love that their art is the same thing every time, the creativity comes in the form in the ways those same things are portrayed, using perspective , composition, and lighting.

@baizhuwaitingroom7057 2 года назад

this is what I've been thinking for years but never could explain it as clearly as you have

@YasWitch7 2 года назад

Yes, that’s INGENIOUS and opened a new door on my mind

@Hekateras 2 года назад

Same face syndrome can be a great time saver when you're working crunchtime. Plus there's nothing wrong with drawing what you've mastered and doing it well time and again. But it does bother me a lot when people draw art of existing characters and it has the same face as all their art and looks nothing like them... and/or their unique facial features are erased. I think the worst case of this I saw was a Maleficent art by a very popular artist that had the button nose and huge eyes+lips+rounded cheeks that was the artist's usual face style. On Maleficent, it just looked wrong. You could tell from the colours and design details who the character was supposed to be, but that was about it.

@lacasitos60 2 года назад

Still, it’s the artist choice to draw her that way, you can dislike the drawing, but the artist doesn’t have to listen everybody opinion on his work, specially if they didn’t asked it

@mathieul4303 2 года назад

Sachimi chan?

@ShinyPrimarina 2 года назад

@@lacasitos60 I don't think they're necessarily saying "this is wrong and they should feel bad" it's just criticism. This person isn't going into the artists dms to tell them that they hate how they drew Malificent

@lacasitos60 2 года назад

@@ShinyPrimarina yeah, I know, but there are rude people that do it in the worst form possible. I think if you don't like the art you should just scroll. If the artist specifically asked what do you think about his art, then you can say all what you want. For example, not that much ago, a japanese artist drew Encanto's characters, and a lot of americans started bullying him cause of whitewashing, it got to the point that he deleted his post. They felt entitled to judge his art, maybe if they said it nicely nothing would've happen, but that wasn't the case. So, long story short, all the latinos, joined forces to just make that people to shut up, cause there is nothing wrong with the way he painted them.

@sketchbookprimero 2 года назад

I understand that! I love me some good fanart, it doesn't need to be well drawn most of the time, but there was this time I saw an artist that draw Bakugo and deku from MHA very well drawn but it was two very alternative looking guys without any of the actual features of the characters, (deku didn't had the scars nor freckles nor the haircut and Bakugo seemed like a Latin guy both with a ton of piercings and tattoos and an undercut hairstyle) so I couldn't count that as a fan art since it could be just two random guys that happen to share the same name with those MHA characters I saved the image anyway because it was really cool but for me those two weren't Katsu deku

@TeethCollect 2 года назад

I’d say the main point that really drives these is yea it’s good to experiment if you want to improve, but don’t do things just because other people tell you to

@perreban 2 года назад

@kirboo zus

@spiritp.d5551 2 года назад

impasta

@TV-8-301 2 года назад

For the same-face syndrome: One of my school's life drawing instructors who is very well-liked tells us all about the master he learned from who is now like in his late 90's, and our instructor shows us the master's figurative art and the reverence for this master rubbed off on us students. Then one day a student from another dept sees the master's work and says "All his faces look the same." And we are like, "How dare you -- ?" And our instructor says simply, "He's a classicalist..." Yoshitaka Amano has same-face whatever too, but that's because he *mastered* one face that looks gorgeous so may as well use it to its full extent, right?

@scaredsanty857 2 года назад

I have a lot of brain worms constantly telling me that i should draw EVERYTHING exept what i truly like because it's "cliché" and "done so many times before" and it've gone to the point i don't enjoy drawing anymore... I realy needed this video, now i have identified issues i'll work on and hopefully have a chance to have motivation again!

@iinskiyuii 2 года назад

oh damn i thought i was the only one with the problem ! I actually stopped drawing for close to a month now because of this problem 😭

@magicmarcy3785 2 года назад

I wish I could like this 8 million times, those little things like "don't always draw the same face" or I've absolutely thought to myself "man I need to draw more men and diversify" but do I REALLY? I really feel this is pushed hard in art school, especially the "having a cause" part of your video. I guess I'm privileged in the fact that I really don't care to save the world, I just want to work, live, exist, art. I want to draw things I like and I don't want to have some sort of agenda. This is pushed in almost every class I'm taking, it's almost as if you're expected to incorporate some kind of cause to fight for in your assignments and I hate it.

@ergojosh 2 года назад

Yeah the issue with alot of public education in art, is the curriculum is so strict and naturally has lots of 'agendas' incorporated into them. There are so many faster and simpler ways to learn things (especially in traditional) but you will be taken the long route and not given any insight into what an assignment is actually going to do for you, or how to think while you are completing them.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

@Good For Nutting as long as your story is set on a planet of lesbians you’re good.

@tadashihatsudai 2 года назад

The funny thing about being an artist who draws anime on the side and studied fine art as a major, I find it extremely hard to fall into the trap of same face syndrome. For some reason, I cannot draw the same exact face twice. I went through so many phases of faces while trying to improve and started to be able to identify what year I drew a certain face.

@ergojosh 2 года назад

Ikr? Its actually kind of difficult to do even though its seen as such a negative thing. You'll have an interesting set of skills once you understand the face more for sure.

@__-fi6xg 2 года назад

I seen it on a Male and female in the Same Picture. Had some twincest vibes ...

@user-df4zw7yb4v 2 года назад

@@__-fi6xg why the "cest" part

@nemorafarraige 2 года назад

SO TRUEEE I STRUGGLE SO MUCH TO DRAW MY FAVE CHARACTER CONSISTENTLY LMAOO, I always have huge respect to people who actually have same face syndrome because of this, it's very hard to be consistent with your art, mad respecttt

@user-yj7cu5sk2w 2 года назад

@@user-df4zw7yb4v the male and female were probably drawn as a couple, but looked almost exactly alike which will make people assume they’re related/twins, and twins drawn in a romantic way is yikes, right? Twincest is just a more specific way of referring to incest between twins

@krishIyer23 2 года назад

One I've encountered is definitely the idea of "did you draw that by yourself? you didn't copy? wow" this is especially harmful when you're encouraged to ignore reference and draw from JUST YOUR IMAGINATION no matter what.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

No that’s good advice. People aren’t impressed by copying because they know anyone can do it. If you draw from imagination, you bring your own unique sensibilities to a work. If you’re using reference, you’re essentially a human photocopier. Depending on how much you rely on it, but most artists rely too heavily.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

@Good For Nutting well, let me put it this way. A good artist doesn’t need reference at all because they understand perspective, light, color, and other general principles that allow them to invent whatever they want. You only should need reference as a student, and when doing exercises to maintain or broaden your skills. just think how much richer and more expressive art would be if people stopped using reference for everything.

@anameyoucantremember 2 года назад

@@reginaldforthright805 You're right. Velasquez, Rembrandt, El Greco, Bruegel, Leonardo, Cezanne, Van Gogh, Renoir, Picasso.. all shit. They all used references for basically all their work, such noobs. Now, here's something for you to take home: All that is contained in your "imagination" is just a catalogue of references you have accumulated since birth. So, there's no such thing as not using references for anything. Everything you think, picture, visualize, preform, is just an amalgamation of references. All the most innovative, alien, disruptive images you've seen, they are just a bunch of references put together, which you can easily trace back to its origins if you are old enough to have come across them before and IF, and this is the big IF, you are not a complete moron.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

@@anameyoucantremember lol please don’t be ridiculous. There is a big difference between the kind of internal synthesis you are describing and copying reference, just like there is a big difference when writing an essay between synthesizing books and articles and plagiarism. Broadening the definition of reference to encompass everything only muddies the waters and is a childish rhetorical ploy to excuse lazy and incompetent hack work. Of all the artists listed, I think only Velazquez comes close to dependence on reference in his famous works. Leonardo would be the opposite - a clear cut example of someone who draws from imagination using constructed geometry which is only nominally similar to whatever model he might have in front in him.

@anameyoucantremember 2 года назад

@@reginaldforthright805 "Of all the artists.." Yep, you're ignorant enough. Not worth the effort to even try to have a constructive dialogue with you. Cheers.

@OurLadyOfSorrows4 2 года назад

Just to add on to this: There is a huge overlap between what we call "same face syndrome" and what we call "STYLE". If Disney drastically changed the way they design character's faces, they wouldn't be instantly recognizable as Disney characters anymore

@machina5 2 года назад

And their work would be much better for it. It's good for marketing, not appeal.

@rokamayono2312 2 года назад

Exactly

@dDoodle788 2 года назад

I personally disagree, trying to draw different enough faces in my style has helped me understand better a lot of the subtle characteristics that characterize it, some of which I didn't even think about before.

@rokamayono2312 2 года назад

@@dDoodle788 also true. Trying different things can help you improve on what you where already doing

@s0ckpupett 2 года назад

Yes, but the thing is that Disney can make very diverse facial features and it still looks like Disney. For example, one of the reasons many people appreciate Encanto is because the characters all have unique features. Rather than just the thin button nose, petite face shape, huge round eyes, thin eyebrows, etc. that they gave like all female characters, Encanto characters have a lot of diversity, and the style of the movie is still very clearly Disney.

@crunchyteardrops4663 2 года назад

“Try to be diverse by being you” is one of the best pieces of art advice I’ve ever heard 💗

@nutterbutter9069 2 года назад

To add onto the “same face” idea - there’s also a difference between having a distinctive style of face and same face syndrome, and I think a lot of people who comment about same face syndrome don’t seem to understand that. Many artists work hard to achieve a distinctive style because that’s how you cultivate your brand and stand out from other artists.

@h3rpad3rpacifilis 2 года назад

This is something I realised after copying a few artists styles for a while. Its so easy to "change style" with anime-esque digital art just by changing the way the face is drawn, even though the linework remains the same.

@REChronic54 2 года назад

Yeah I’ve been really depressed about making art because of listening to such advice. Which is why I’ve been a beginner for years; I’d get overwhelmed and give up for months or a year. Like I couldn’t find out what I wanted to create cuz everyone’s telling me what I shouldn’t do. I experimented w/o first becoming comfortable with one or two things.

@mrs.quills7061 2 года назад

Step 1- stop listening to what other people want you to create and start creating what you WANT to. What forms make you alive or inspired? What colors feel the most expressive to you? Are you more interested in landscapes or figures? Maybe abstract or surrealism? How can you tell YOUR story through your art? Maybe you can tell the story of feeling depressed or overwhelmed because you feel restricted by people telling you what you can’t do. Make it dark or colorful if you want, the main objective in my opinion of art is to make someone feel or notice something. Make a series doing all of the things others say you shouldn’t do, artists tend to rebel against the grain, so I say embrace it.

@REChronic54 2 года назад

@@mrs.quills7061 Thank you for this. I guess I’m just a little neurotic by nature. I can’t help wanting to learn everything to try to be good. I have to remind myself that everyone starts off somewhere and just do my own thing.

@vivvy_0 2 года назад

I feel ya :(

@gabrielblack5805 2 года назад

The idea of diversifying art is really interesting to me. I personally try really hard to draw lots of different kinds of people. I've just never been able to find satisfaction in drawing one kind of person. That being said, I don't think there's anything wrong with people having one thing they just really enjoy drawing. I think it's honestly a matter of where people find beauty. I have a wider approach, looking to find and represent the beauty I see in a variety of different subjects. However, some people choose to dive deeply into one subject, choosing to explore the vast amounts of beauty that one kind of subject can convey. Both have their own incredible uniqueness and importance and niether can objectively be set above the other (unless one is working in a field where expectations require one over the other). It's like the idea of a "jack of all trades" versus a "master of one." Both are valuable, and the decision to choose one path over the other is personal and should be respected.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

I like drawing all sorts of people, including ugly ones like trolls and golems. But what I really hate to draw is anything with hard edges and tech like cars, robots, or modern buildings. So I steer well clear of that type of material with no regrets.

@FloofyDraws 2 года назад

To answer a question: that haircut is amazing 😳 👍✨

@ergojosh 2 года назад

Thank you sm

@VeryNotExtraordinary Год назад

"same face syndrome" I couldn't draw the same face twice if I tried, to me, that in itself is a talent

@jasonkong6968 2 года назад

Indeed. Artist do not have responsibility to “balance the gender” or “ persume diversity”. Even for artist who create works for political propaganda, they usually just serve one statement. The society maintains diversity by the action of consumer (or political act) , not the artist.

@TheKaurK 2 года назад

This (personally) really feels like a rationalization where we recognize there’s something wrong but we want to claim we have nothing to do with it and play no part in the solution other than be ourselves and/or simultaneously be dependent on the consumer..? In which case- an artist is still a person in the society- do they have responsibility as that person through what they consume and their political act? Also by your logic on consumer defining it- aren’t people asking for representation in artist’s comment section literally a consumer demand? I just feel very confused be your statement here.

@knottedtwig3289 2 года назад

@@TheKaurK you are correct, TheKaurK. These videos tend to be very clickbaity and are meant to validate the viewers position which result in these strange rationalizations all so that they don't have to take criticism.

@marianacarina2580 2 года назад

@@TheKaurK Look, if you want an artist to do what YOU DEEM AS IMPORTANT, then YOU should PAY them. Everyone is trying to make a living, it's not easy to be an artist. You think someone who's struggling to pay their bills can be bothered about how much political propaganda they put in their art? Sure we're part of society but society is not paying our bills. Even the hobbyist artist, maybe they're drawing as a therapy. Just imagine going to someone's social media, one of these artists who are doing their art as a hobby to relax, and saying they lack representation, this and that, blah blah blah. It's infuriating, and you can't even tell this person to shove their "suggestion" up their ass because of cancel culture. I hate and despise anything political involved with art.

@BunnyGxre 2 года назад

I think any “bad” art habit can be good if you have the right art style. Also, not issues need to be fixed. Not all artists sharing their work are sharing their work to please others, but in the hope that others can be pleased by what they’re already doing. Nobody is going to change their art for someone. They just attract people who like what the art already is.

@wrenbd4015 2 года назад

Theres a lot to be said about how certain groups are overrepresented, how some toxic beauty standards are repeated in art, etc, i think those are all really important topics to learn about and talk. but when it comes to applying it to the individual it really falls flat and isn't right. we need to just let ourselves live, exist, and create as ourselves and not apply sweeping societal analysis onto indivudual artists. if we want more diversity, we shouldnt police people who are drawing whats important to them, we should instead continue to pressure broader political change to empower more people who are underrepresented in art to create art and be able to tell their own stories! its ridic to put all this pressure on random internet artists. support the art you want to see. as freedom spreads thanks to the internet, diversity is becoming more and more prevalent with each year so we should celebrate how far we have come, and keep pushing forward little by little. :) I love your stuff and your talks are always down to earth and insightful, thanks for all you do :)

@geschnitztekiste4111 2 года назад

JoJo‘s also sometimes has the same face syndrome (especially in Part 5-7) but the character design still couldn’t be more diverse lol

@WormBabyZ 2 года назад

Sometimes, the only way you *can* keep drawing/creating art is to do the "same" stuff still you get it out of your system, so to speak. Like listening to a song that's been stuck in your head till it's not stuck anymore. That's ok! It doesn't mean what you make during that time has no value or isn't "good". You're still learning and progressing with each piece.

@aislingbones1854 2 года назад

The point about diversity kinda touches on something that I find very important as a transgender artist. Try googling "trans people in animation/comics/etc." and you'll get dozens of articles about representation on the screen, lots written about trans characters being written into popular shows and comics. Which is great!It's a wonderful thing that gender expansive people get to see themselves in media more and more. That said, it's frustrating that that google search doesn't also give you dozens of articles about the trans people *creating* art. There are plenty of us out there; all of the best trans rep in media I've seen has been in small indie projects by trans artists themselves, and this stuff just doesn't get the same number of eyes on it as the big animated shows on netflix or cartoon network. The answer to making more (and better) diverse content isn't to just write more diverse characters into your shows or comics without shaking up who's writing and drawing those characters. The answer is to get more of us working in your studios and telling our own stories.

@ergojosh 2 года назад

I agree, actual physical human representation is arguably way more important- and it applies to every minority out there.

@whoopnoop4043 2 года назад

I think the race, gender, sexuality etc of an artist matters little. I don't believe many people do go about searching for specifically trans artists or black artists or what have you. More so, its about the art they produce and whether the viewer finds it so appealing to then search and learn more about the artist

@SoulGuitarMetal 2 года назад

That's already done and the result is all these bad stories because they hire based on traits that have nothing to do with skill for the craft or want the writer to write only about what they are. It is a really sad state of the industry for both authors and fans.

@Bufekana 2 года назад

@@whoopnoop4043 agree👍

@Bufekana 2 года назад

@@SoulGuitarMetal thank you👏

@HadesPsd 2 года назад

If there's anything that we should be doing, it's drawing what we want to draw. I personally want to be a character designer, so I try and do things that are going to help me reach that goal. We all have individual journeys, and I think that's a great thing.

@erikathegoober 2 года назад

This is really good advice! 👏✨ There are so many people out there saying what you should and shouldn’t do with your art that it can be exhausting 😓 Taking in advice that doesn’t necessarily apply to you as an individual and what you want to do with your art can hinder your creativity. It can make you feel like you’re never drawing enough of some things or too much of other things. This has been something I’ve been dealing with personally over the past year or so. I started drawing less and less and overthinking everything I made 😔 Taking some time away from social media to refocus my energy on making the things I want to make just for the sake of making them with no judgement has been so helpful 😌✨

@ergojosh 2 года назад

No problem! I'm glad taking some time off helped you out, overthinking is such a good way to put it.

@bria1648 2 года назад

I get so tired of people telling other artists to be diverse or whatever, people can draw what they want, and if it feels like they are only drawing something because someone is telling them to (of course as long as it's not commissioned or something like that) then they aren't really being "diverse" they are just drawing something because people are telling them it's morally wrong to only draw people who look like you. Which it isn't, drawing people who look like you show your culture and things you relate too so other people can understand it.

@rogerroger9952 2 года назад

Sometimes I get up in my head about my writing because basically all of my characters are bisexual men and all of my current WIPs are dark stories with the same sorts of fantastical elements. Visually, all of my character designs are solid (in my humble opinion), but on paper there are a lot of similar themes across their personalities and even sometimes their plots. But like, this is MY writing. If I want to explore the same sorts of themes in different ways, it's because those are the stories I need to tell. I don't need to tell the story of a Muslim woman in the modern day or how to disassemble and reassemble a car. It's not my place to write about those things when there are people who are much more equipped to do so. I love the sentiment made in this video that we bring diversity into the world just by existing as we are.

@phyynproductions 2 года назад

This channel continues to inspire me as a college dropout trying to start my own creative career

@RinTheSpaceDragon 2 года назад

I don't get why people dog others about same face. I see Japanese artists with thousands of followers have simple anime art styles, and they have the same round anime girl face with eyes devoid of pupils. Their art looks so good and it's literally same face. Also I’m not dogging the style. I love it. My art style is literally the same, but less “refined.” (Narue_496 on twitter is one example of this style but not exactly the artist I’m remembering in my head).

@GlassJoe-fgc 2 года назад

Nice shape up Josh.

@ergojosh 2 года назад

thx mang

@samjohnson8588 2 года назад

After watching a few of your videos, I bought a notebook, went back to my Unipin fineliners and started a Pinterest account. From there I used the 2 hour commute I take every day to draw random pinterest references to draw and develop my portraiture and expression - it's the most invigorated I've felt with my art in years and I can already see the results after a few months - so thanks for the ideas, man, always good seeing you crop up

@ergojosh 2 года назад

That is awesome! Honestly what I'm here for

@libi8496 2 года назад

SO SAME FACE SYNDROME IS OK AND ME DRAWING ONLY GIRLS IS OK TOO

@emilywaffle 2 года назад

YES Zima Blue!! man that's one of my favorite shorts of all time, it's so thought provoking -- especially viewed with the artistic journey in mind. another awesome and thoughtful video 🤘 (also love ur haircut)

@victoriapyles7752 2 года назад

I’ve noticed that when I go through same-face syndrome, I’m usually in a stage of growth with my art. As if.. I’m subconsciously just doing what’s easy in the face, and improving on other aspects of my art.

@DuneStone6816 2 года назад

The fact that there are successful artist who appear to have some of these "weaknesses," doesn't necessarily mean they are not weaknesses. Harry Potter is successful and well loved, but that doesn't make the world-building good. If your only point was that these "flaws" won't necessarily keep you from finding success, that is true, but it doesn't follow that everyone wouldn't be a stronger artist for growing past those "flaws." Sometimes you don't NEED to do something, but it would be GOOD if you did.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

The world building is good. (Aside from some logical inconsistencies which I can easily overlook due to the richness of invention) It’s more the plotting and pacing that has major problems.

@JH-pe3ro 2 года назад

The "you should draw this" is definitely entangled with audience reactions, which aren't really about the work. If they're saying that, it's most likely because they aren't responding to the work as it is, so they pulled a "quick fix" out of their head that deals with some bit of surface polish: "change this, add that, remove those". If the image already communicates coherent information in a clear way, the majority of the audience stops nitpicking about the technical stuff and instead gets excited talking about what the work just told them. It's true in all media. And that's distinct from genuine technical criticism, which tends to come from a career mindset of "for this type of job, you'll need to have a certain kind of skillset." But I'm not even sure the technical stuff is quite what it used to be. Everything in digital's a little more like programming: find the formula to make that type of image, then reproduce the formula. So, even though we still "draw", the overall workflow tends to be increasingly conceptual - knowing that something's possible counts for more than having deep experience in it. Like, having better draftsmanship speeds things up, but doesn't set you apart like it once did. And industry is aware of that dynamic and is following down that rabbit hole towards automation - they can design a different face on everyone, so long as they have some underlying CG work supporting it so that the animators don't have to master a lot of different faces and the computer does the hard parts. And if an AI can come in and make the final images based just on high-level instruction, the job changes into herding the AI.

@reginaldforthright805 2 года назад

Yes and that’s why I think digital art is a fad which will go the way of bell bottoms.

@danibelanozhka 2 года назад

Thank you for making this video. I feel you with all the pressure to be everywhere at once, draw everything you possibly can. You just took a huge weight off my shoulders by voicing your concerns. We should just focusing on being us, as unique as we may be.

@galtenoble 2 года назад

I think this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say in support of same face. I don't see it as a negative thing for basically the same reasons that you stated, and it bothers me to no end when I see artists (who are drawing for fun especially) being ripped apart for it

@klausd.6285 2 года назад

I feel like that with things like "how to draw". I have seen a lot of tutorials saying you have to paint or draw like this and some even saying if you don't do it like this, you are doing it wrong. Heck, there was a speed painting I watched over a year ago of a guy painting really realistic in ditigal and he did put down any solid colors, he went straight into the painting and painted in a way that someone who paints with oils would. He got so many people saying his vidoe was fake because he didn't do things in a certain order or didn't do certain steps, like placing down solid colors. How an artist gets to a finished piece shouldn't matter. Yet, people get so hung up on that. Samething with what people make. Let people make what they want to make. As for the same face syndrome, I think the only time it matters is what type of art style you are using. If it's a stylized, same face syndrome is going to happen. If you are doing something realistic and even more so, drawing a certain person and all your real life subjects look the same, I think then it's an issue. I think that is the only time same face syndrome is an issue. Other than that, most artist literally use the same face on thier characters, but change the hair or eyes and nothing else. I don't really have an issue with that and even more so if said person is animating or making a comic. It's just easier at that point to have a default face you can draw over and over again and just use different hairstyles. But this is just my opinion.

@chromo48 2 года назад

There are so many artists I love that suffer from same-face syndrome. It's not a huge issue in most cases, but I do still believe in challenging oneself to work on moving beyond relying on building more or less the same face for every character. Sure, don't be so hard on yourself that it saps your energy to draw, but don't just settle and chalk it up to "style." That's throwing in the towel. And alright, nice haircut.

@Quackkyty 2 года назад

There's this thing tht keeps bugging me, I often question myself while creating a piece tht will this be alright n wht if it wont be succesful to my viewers..i mean ive been giving good time for abt 6 months on my art, finding good changes thts gradual..stilll at times it seems am nervous bout wht others think rather thn me enjoying...I wont say this happens all the time but whn this happens I feel forgetting tht yea I do feel creative or yea m doing well or yea its alright to make mistakes . Its alright to not have a good day whn I cant come up with a good sketch n idea...Sorry for such a huge comment,its just tht I had a bad day n couldnt enjoy my day to draw. So thank uh for the video, was really soothing n informative as always. Peace!

@ergojosh 2 года назад

I often feel the same way, thanks for sharing!

@Quackkyty 2 года назад

@@ergojosh Ehhee thnx for replying have a productive day

@Mehmehsw5ke 2 года назад

“Same face syndrome” or “successful branding”?

@HellzSayzDANCE 2 года назад

I found a weight lifting off my shoulders the longer I watched this video. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this subject 💜

@vultureiraq1168 2 года назад

Its crazy the more people say same face syndrome is bad the more they dont make any sense. The reason why characters features look similar are because its a specific style a artist is trying to achieve or is going for. I'm a designer and a digital artist so now ppl saying your art suffers from same face syndrome is like someone walking up to the apple brand and saying 'your iPhones suffers from ''your products being consistent throughout to be RECOGNIZABLE'' syndrome. ITS COMPLETELY STUPID.

@LentilSoupGirl Год назад

Perfect example

@AlicjaNai 2 года назад

I still can't explain to people why I draw only women.. I dont even know

@kynoVNs 2 года назад

Being unique is all about being yourself You, are unique. Just like i am, and everyone else on this planet. Have you ever stumbled upon art that you didn't particularly enjoy? That is because it didnt fit YOUR style. When you draw a illustration, lets say portrait. One of the worst things you can do is get hung up on a aspect of it and think "That's not how *INSERT FAVOURITE ARTIST HERE* would do it" Make it your own, make it however you feel like making it. If you're a beginner, and are afraid of not doing a good enough job, do it anyways. If it comes out "Horrible" then you can use it to learn on your mistakes and then come back in the future to maybe give it another go. "Try to be diverse by being you" If anyone calls your art wonky or weird, they probably have no idea what art is about in the first place (There are a few exceptions where this does not apply, but that is your call to make at the end of the day)

@fleurashdesign 2 года назад

‘’Try to be diverse by being you” -ErgoJosh 2022 You ain’t have to snap this hard but I’m glad you did🔥 Needed that

@rjeez95 2 года назад

Yup well said!, get it all the time on instagram! "Why don't you design mechs or guns instead of just vehicles"..... because you have every other artist on artstation for that lol. I do other things aside vehicles but don't think mechs or guns need another voice added to the crowd of them lol.

@razym819 2 года назад

But is true, if you see the top accounts in instagram or twitter is the same fantasy pretty girls with the bright colors and people copy what they see so 90% of artists nowdays draw card game stuff or pretty girls and i bet people did not started drawing to draw that stuff, why people don't draw things of your culture, your experiences and such if you can spend 5h painting a pretty girl of pinterest you can at least take some time to think something more than that

@ergojosh 2 года назад

Keep in mind that the algorithm used on “social media first” sites will show you whats getting the most clicks. Art you see on social media is the tip of the iceberg. Theres alot more variety out there if you expand where you are looking from. Looking at Instagram and twitter only for art is like looking at the grand canyon through a tube of toilet paper. I guarantee you 90% of artists are not doing only that style* And again, people are free to draw what interests them. You dont need to worry about culture being lost somehow through art.

@dplj4428 Год назад

A scary comment I hear is that art is art only when it’s “beautiful”.

@japheth2316 2 года назад

Zima Blue is an inspiration for all of us

@ergojosh 2 года назад

UNDERRATED

@funlightfactory6031 2 года назад

The reason people roll their eyes at artists that draw almost exclusively hot women, is that it's basically a cliché at this point. In my art career I nearly fell into the trap of just drawing hot women, because it was easy and fun for me but also didn't really challenge me as an artist to grow, and I would use the same excuses as you did. Now I am getting better at drawing animals, men, women, and nature. Jazza for example, has over ONE BILLION views and he draws far more than just hot women. I don't think he would be as successful had he just drawn hot women. Love your channel! The advice is applicable to any subject or style!

@shivanedadi4029 2 года назад

I wont lie, I like to draw beautiful women that have a more mature tone to them, but everywhere I go I see people would ridicule me and look down at my art and some of it comes from myself as well that my art is inappropriate and wrong. sometimes it really gets to me and makes me question whether or not I want to continue doing art

@vivvy_0 2 года назад

you shouldn't stop making art alltogether just because people are sulky about what you draw

@stormrider9100 2 года назад

Yes i like your haircut 🥰

@ergojosh 2 года назад

Thanks storm haha

@_dcalm 2 года назад

Just the fact of being '' You '' is what makes your artwork shine :) THANK YOU FOR THIS Ergojosh !!!

@coutureandsteel 2 года назад

this is my first video of yours that I watched. What an absolute gem of a video, wow! “Artists are free to be whoever they want to be.” Absolutely majestic. Looking forward to your continued growth and development, cheers

@leels31 2 года назад

Thank you josh for talking about diversity. I remember the early days of tumblr being bullied for drawing only white looking characters. I am not even white lol! I was just a teen drawing characters I saw on tv or made up for my original stories. It took me years to feel comfortable to start posting my art again and now that I'm old and don't care any more I dead-ass post Yaoi, furry, alien and school girl shit on my instagram. Who don't like can unfollow me.

@Valenvenge 2 года назад

Exactly, I just want to draw what I want to draw... If you have a fanart suggestion I would gladly take it but people trying to tell me what I should draw according to their belief and agenda is so infuriating...

@vivvy_0 2 года назад

what social media sites do you use for art?

@anxieturt 2 года назад

I agree with basically everything in this video besides the example of same face syndrome when it comes to Disney specifically. It's not like they're a small company who needs to scrape by like others. They have the resources to make different face shapes. And when talking about their success, Pixar's biggest hitter Encanto has made record breaking feats, all with different types of faces. So I don't really see why Disney can't do the same.

@briannagregory9166 2 года назад

Same face Syndrome completely great to use if you're creating a doll toy line mainly. Almost every Doll set variation looks exactly the same just different hair color with the exception of monster high. Ex. look at bratz or lol dolls or rainbow high: same face different hair color/outfit.

@drkmgic 2 года назад

Ur haircut is fire btw as for the Disney style, I think I'm just bored of it. Btw have u watched arcane on Netflix. The animation is amazing there

@AtomLabX 2 года назад

When you were talking about the same face, SAM came to mind, and then his picture showed in the bottom right corner, this is crazy!!! hahaha

@seasaltcosmos 2 года назад

honestly if someone asks "why do you draw so many women :///" you should just pull a yoko taro and reply "because i like girls"

@rosie7893 2 года назад

Nobody's gonna talk about Sam who came to say hi 😃

@Valley_on_Mars 2 года назад

thank you very much I really took a lot from this video and will continue to draw how I want to draw! I love your art btw :)

@ladyseshiiria 2 года назад

Tried breaking same face syndrome. Did really well for a month. And my faves and watchers dropped!!!

@sprinkleofsuga7186 2 года назад

This view on same face syndrome really opened up my mind! I used to always think that same face syndrome was automatically bad because how was I supposed to create multiple unique characters if I only knew how to draw one set of facial features? This video made it click for me that same face syndrome is limiting for *me* and *my* goals, but that doesn't always apply to everyone else. I want to be an illustrator and concept artist, so it's vital for me to know how to draw many different body types and facial structures, and I really enjoy doing that! I consider my style overall to be quite feminine, and I prefer to use rounder shapes for the bodies of my characters. Someone could say "hey! you need to make your style more masculine because the men you draw are too soft!" But I don't need to listen to that because I know my style suits my own goals!

@JO-iv7tl 2 года назад

I could be told I'm drawing the same tree repeatedly. I would say yes I'm drawing a Forrest. Create your Forrest. You will move into a different Forrest eventually.

@ghostofentity3032 Год назад

Honestly, thank you so much for saying this. Ive heard countless times that same face syndrome is a bad thing in art and you need to change it, and, to be honest, it really makes me feel bad about my art. After hearing so much bashing of other artists and people saying that something is the only right way to do things and everything else is wrong, it’s nice to hear some reassurance

@benlin1526 2 года назад

I pretty much draw only cute girls all the time, and it's not for any good reason; and I do feel the pressure to draw other things that would be more acceptable to society. It's good to hear you reinforce the idea of not listening to that 'voice'.

@buriedomasta3375 2 года назад

I agree with everything you said but I find that most artists drawing one gender and claiming that as I draw what I want(which is fair by the way) but it's very weird, I don't like it at all

@freshpootube Год назад

Artists have been told what they should paint for hundreds of years, haven't they?

@zeevdrifter2707 2 года назад

be free in what you want to be, unless of course it offends someone, then don't! yay for recursive logic!

@dreamrabbits5072 2 года назад

This is why I've quit drawing cartoon computer girls, and I'm moving onto traditional realism in wildlife and botanicals, it makes me SO much happier and free now to do what I think is beautiful and what I love. As an anime/cartoony stylized hobby artist for 20 years, realism is SO much easier and free for me at least, and traditionally of course. You can simplify it and not have to copy it exactly, just close enough, and you get to copy!!! You don't have to create something from scratch and work at stylizing it. I used to erase soo much when doing cartoon work that my paper would rip and I'd have to scan it in and print it again to get a new sheet, now I barely erase in my sketchbook, and I haven't touched the tablet or computer yet to draw anything. I'm using real mediums and real pigments, it brings me back to the basics. I only did digital art because I couldn't afford art supplies as a kid. And I had no idea realism was super easy, I'd look at other people's art and be so intimidated and have no clue how they did that... but thanks to youtube and the internet, it's so much easier to understand, and photography is so much better and accessible nowadays than 20 years ago, and so are high quality art supplies!

@vxbrance8477 2 года назад

we got high with a friend once and watched the zima blue episode from love death robots, my mind was kinda blown after that

@obi-wan-pierogi 2 года назад

I love drawing men cause of the angles and shapes in the anatomy. I find it easier to draw them cause I can visualize the shapes of the anatomy better. I always feel like I’m doing art wrong cause all my OCs are men except one and 90% percent of my art has male references as bases.

@paz_draws 2 года назад

In a nutshell, you're not an Artist, you're a Waifu-Artist.

@yuri_nori 2 года назад

When you have distinctive style same face syndrome is actually nice ouo

@TheeAmazonRunna 2 года назад

So grateful for this concise and practical advice, while I don’t draw humans typically, I can definitely apply your advice to my own work. In art school, I felt like I wasn’t edgy enough, and I would try to drum up some sort of angst to reflect in my work. All I achieved in doing this was creating a feeling of disingenuous discomfort in myself, and some pretty shit art. I ended up switching to business school (which I hated) and not drawing or painting for years, while this jittery pressure inside me built up as I battled needing to create but feeling like I wasn’t good enough. One day, I couldn’t take it anymore and just started drawing and painting things that I liked in the illustrative and bright way that spoke to me. I’ve found joy in creating images again, practicing my craft- and it feels like *me*. Your words resonate! Seeing this video today feels like a gift and a reminder that there’s room for all of us in art, particularly as I adore your work and really look up to you as an artist who does what he does joyfully and really, really well.

@ergojosh 2 года назад

thanks so much for your kind words Ava! I'm glad you were able to rediscover art during that journey. Thats a big part of my goals with the channel.

@TheeAmazonRunna 2 года назад

@@ergojosh Some of my *faaavourite* aspects of your work are: 1) You have an intuitive and kind of ecstatic way of using colour. Colour is my jam, man! 2) There’s always a sense of tension/movement in your work, like the viewer just happened to witness a snapshot moment in a story. It makes me feel like I’m privy to a secret ;) 3) You seem to have a real deep love for line and space and how it relates to anatomy. I adore the way you draw women, especially. Anyway- I just wanted to fan-girl a bit! I hope it fills your bucket, so to speak, and encourage you the way you have encouraged me!

@GHOST42738 2 года назад

everyone notices the nice haircut, but damn i respect that beard

@ergojosh 2 года назад

Thank you! The last bit took me until like...23 years old to fill in lol.

@IceBeamTetsuno 2 года назад

That part about asking yourself who you want to be has never meant so much to me. I use to spread myself so thin trying to please people that I would dread having to draw. Once I stopped trying to be everything and asked my self what I wanted I've never been happier drawing and my goals are slowly being met in a nice steady way (though I'll admit I'd like things to progress faster lol)

@S3verance 2 года назад

Same face syndrome, to me, shows that you have put effort into drawing faces and have become so good that you can accurately draw the same face over and over. i feel like its a step you have to go through as you grow as an artist. I currently cannot replicate the same face twice, so its certainly way better top just draw the same, trusty face.

@pirana9745 2 года назад

i mostly draw men men pretty an thats fine! :)

@dimgami Год назад

This video is great. Just GREAT.

@daniellaemeline Год назад

Thank you for bringing positivity to this topic.

@JiyuLJ 2 года назад

Thank you so much Josh 🙏. Also, your voice is 🤌

@TinyMaths 2 года назад

It's great to see the 'high-top' being sported. One of best haircuts out there. (subjective opinion of course)

@GlassJoe-fgc 2 года назад

Agreed, i am currently sporting one.

@devilmaycomplain2663 2 года назад

Oh, draw more men? Ok. *genderbends your man*

@eazyw5493 2 года назад

The jab at Sam was hilarious

@Nazareadain 2 года назад

The advantages to flexibility and breadth of experience is obvious because of all the freedom it provides *you.* But people seem to forget that the point of specialization is the freedom it provides *others.* If you're making the same face, make it a good one , and maybe someone else can make the body that you can't. My favourite example is the guy who spent 2 years tuning batman's cape in arkham asylum. Gotta say the results were pretty impressive and the game it came with wasn't bad, either. PS. the art industry seems oversaturated atm and a jack of all trades seems less valuable than having a very specific niche - assuming there's a market for it.

@leonnewkirk1713 2 года назад

This was helpful. It's all about what your focus is and what fascinates you. If a variety of facial structures meets your needs, study faces. If you suffer from "same face syndrome", then what does it matter if the faces are either aesthetically pleasing or highly expressive. I hope I can find my focus soon.

@Dude_Slick Год назад

I draw mostly women because I find the female form to be the most beautiful thing in existence. I don't give a rat's ass about diversity. It's a word people throw around in the name of inclusion, while only using it to drive division.

@LentilSoupGirl Год назад

Yes. They just want to be narcissists and control others.

@lisaw9014 2 года назад

Thank you Josh! This is a good reminder to keep improving while also drawing what you love and what you're passionate about.

@kokofish6333 2 года назад

i just wanna draw cute catboys😭

@lulusariwu6413 2 года назад

That Sam in the vid killed me 😭😭

@leoncoopermarques3460 2 года назад

I always wanted to draw different faces because Im obssesed with Urasawa's art and he has so many different shapes of noses, lips, hair, eyes. It just fascinates me. At the same time, fujimotos art is jaw dropping to me in how rude and scratchy it is, but all the faces are the same. I think that finding artists that you love and are passionate about who do different things than you do is so valueable.

@Tera_totally 2 года назад

I don't tell people they need to stop drawing same face syndrome. The only reason I would ever do that is if they specifically asked me if thought they should diversity their face. But when artists do draw different faces I appreciate it a lot because I think it's very cool

@MartinBrunswick 2 года назад

Thanks for this video, Josh. I'm defnitely the kind of person who gives way too much attention to the peanut gallery and I just need to hear this side of the argument every now and then to stay confident.

@lakuraart2059 2 года назад

I may not leave comments on ur vids but i really appreciate you as person and artist, and you inspire me a lot! I love ur artworks a lot (especially the most recent ones, damn theyre incredible honestly!!). Keep doing what you like because its greater than you may think! Have a great week, peace. 🧡

@haveaniceday2022 2 года назад

I just really like that every artist have this little touch they give unintentionally to their art. Sometimes it's their style, sometimes it's just the way they use brushes etc. Every artist has something that makes them unique, like you said, and no body can take that away from them. Some peopl don't think they have an artstyle but other people look at their work and see their style in it. It's strange that you can never predict how other people feel about your work but you know hoe you feel about it. And nobody can take that away from you. Even you when you're having a bad day