The is one thing that really kills me about some of Roland's newer synths. The sound modeling system they use is called Zenology. You can use this this with any DAW for $20 a month. Essentially this makes purchasing a $1500 Usd keyboard pointless.
Im looking to sell my Waldorf Micro-Q. Could you please make an episode about that? You kinda drove up the prices on the oberheim I was looking at, so it would be fair ;)
Hallo Audiopilz, ich schreibe 😊 hier auf Deutsch, da mein Englisch is Not very good😅. Verfolge deinen Kanal, fast seit dem Anfang und wollte Dir mal ein Riesenlob für den Kanal aussprechen. Niemand sonst hier, auf RU-vid schafft es Hardware, Humor und tolle Sounds zu einem so stimmigen und unterhaltsamen Ganzen zu zaubern. Ich hoffe du knackst bald die 100000 Abos und bringst und dann ein 12 Stunden Set, mit allen jemals getesten Geräten. Liebe Grüße vom Kaiserstuhl
Here's an idea for a Patreon perk: include a meme pack featured in the episode. ( Because they flash so fast that one must rewatch and pause for full effect)
This synth is being used by touring musicians everywhere. Howard Jones has three of them on stage. Heaven 17 has used it on stage for years. Jean Michel Jarre uses one extensively. Among MANY others...so it can't be all that bad. Sure wish it had more patch storage though.
@ghost mall I agree. I love the sound of it, but there are some boneheaded Roland design choices (particularly in its ridiculous MIDI implementation) that make me wish for...well, more.
This is the truth. I never really thought about it, but he really goes deep quick, and I feel balanced and honest with the pros and cons. A lot of the time, I feel the show should be called "It Could Have Been Better Gear". Not very catchy though.
I absolutely love the System 8. Fell in love with it on Roland Cloud. Superb sounding synth. I'm also one of the three people in the world who likes Roland's Aira green and black vibe.
Roland's greatest hits in one plasticky box - super versatile and can sound fantastic if you get away from the factory patches and the lousy Reverb. The System 8 engine sounds like modern sequel to the JP-8000 at times - if you turn the Condition knob into the negatives it does indeed sound like a JP-8000 (which is handy). The SBF Filters are from the V-Synth. Filter #3 -18dB is the TB303 filter. The Vintage filters are impressive, and allow for fanciful scenarios like JP-8000 SuperSaws through a Juno filter + Chorus. The updated FM engine does the DX7 greatest hits. You can use the Motion Sequencer as a 2nd LFO. The FX section can do some wild stuff, if you dig into the hidden parameters in the menus. And you get the all 3 FX lanes for both Layers, with 4 notes of polyphony! And most of all, with the latest ACB Circuit Mod firmware, it has a far more realistic Juno than that 'flagship' Zencore-based Juno-X. Not to mention the other PlugOuts - the Juno 60 and Jupiter 4 are outstanding. Just a pity about the build quality, looks, 49 keys, weird shape (which means it doesn't fit in common road-cases), and some bugs with Performance Mode, all of which make me reluctant to use it on gigs these days. C'mon Roland, give us a proper System 16!
Nice one as always, bro! (You are reaching a next level of meme madness & GIF swiftness 😂) I love the System-8 as its Jupiter-8 emulation is sonically definitely the closest to the sound of the OG, currently on the market (or in recent years at least) imo….However, I think the Jupiter-X is very DOPE as well….Anyway: GOOD VIBES, mayne!! Have a great weekend.
I love my System 8, especially because of the ACB plug outs. Your criticisms are on point. I wish Roland would make a version 2 of this thing with better build quality and more expansive ACB capabilities. The ZenCore stuff is fine but not as sonically interesting as their ACB stuff.
@@AudioPilz Yep, pretty much everything coming out of Roland nowadays is "How many different ways can we neuter the ZEN code base and how many different sizes and shapes of boxes can we hide it in before they stop spending their money here?" :|
I've had my System 8 for about 3 months and i love it. I'm no expert in this field but i've had a few synths. I started with a Yamaha Motif XS6 which sounded great but was very complicated to program. The system 8 is very straight forward and it's easy to create very complex sounds. I've made some truly amazing sounding patches, sounds that i have never heard before which i find exiting. The only downside for me is saving your patches over writes the pre-sets. No big deal as long as you back up everything to SD card. Also i would have liked a built in Drum kit and a large colour screen. Apart from that it is a very capable and addictive machine. I would recommend it to anyone beginner or pro.
Would the loss of the presets be that big a deal? One thing Roland has been notorious for is having presets that by and large do nothing to showcase what you can wring out of the instrument.
OK, I was with you on all the Roland Boutique stuff, but I have to take this one personally! The System-8 is versatile, reasonably easy to use and sounds absolutely incredible, especially in the hands of someone like Gattobus (or yourself). Like all hardware it has a few limitations, but I actually love this thing overall. Personally I've gone for the Juno-X instead, but I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to have a System-8 in my rig! :)
Another space filled on my "My Bad Gear" bingo card. I love owning things from this list. A good keybed with aftertouch would have taken this one from great to awesome.
I honestly think this thing just gets hated on because it's so hideously ugly. It always sounds pretty damn good to me, and I'm a mostly-pointlessly-analog-purist these days...
@@ericpeters0n I can't go with "hideously ugly." I'll take the Aira-esque Matrix-meets-modern-music black and green over the JD-Xa's all hands to action stations we're under attack red :P.
Only Werner Herzog could come close to trying decipher the corporate psyche of Roland. They haven’t put out anything that caught my attention in several years, with maybe the exception of the boutique D-50 because I was looking for that board’s soundset at that exact time.
HEY MAN... Watch what you say about my hideous System 8! Aside from the sheer millennial hideousity (yes, it's now a word) of it, and those FAAAAAHKING green lights, it's great fun. Stick the System 100 Plug-Out on there from Roland Cloud, and you'll be up until 2:00 a.m. playing on it.
Sounds great (still after six years), a bit expensive, has limitations. It has competition but it's still a powerful and useful bit of kit that works well in its ecosystem.
ACB just seems to hit the spot so much nicer than Zencore. I think it's a shame that Roland is incapable of reading the room and just keeps making mistakes. I still have my TR8 in main dawless setup and 404mkII + se02 in a mobile rig- Roland are capable of good designs, I just wish they would hit the market with a flagship that didn't embarrass themselves.
A lot of the sounds you are getting out of this synth are absolutely incredible and surpass the greatness of more expensive and more world-renowned synths. Fucking legend
I truly believe the System-8 was the peak of the Aira franchise, not in terms of sucess but rather wasted potential. Their train of thought was: "Let's bring our classics synths back in a new, flashy way" > "People are unimpressed?! Why?? Well, let's give them "authentic" feel with the Boutiques!" > "What?! People wanted full-size, 8-voice synths all along? Ugh, fine." > "Whatever, just release the Jupiter-X"
Jupiter X is a failure in its own way, you should never have to menu dive if you have a proper surface control, this is where the X falls down hard. ACB is better than Zencore in some ways too. In both instances, tRoland got both interfaces wrong, yet again.
If only they had released the Jupiter-X w/ ACB instead of ABM or came out with a System 8 that was five octave and of a more professional look + construction. or ACB boutiques that were maybe a bit larger with quarter-outs and the number of voices it says in the damn name. or made more original great sounding synths that aren't always somewhere on the spectrum between do it all workstation and toys cashing in on nostalgia for the past. they really know not what they are doing with their synth line.
@@AudioPilz I've had mine now for about 3 years and even though it has limitations there's so much I've been able to do with the production wise. Being able to simulate classic Roland synthesizers have saved me a bundle of money and time trying to track down old hardware that might need to be fixed up.
The System-8 was my first "real" synth, and I never regretted buying it. If people can only look at the material and "green LED" and judge it only on that, well. It is not cheap, but there is actually quite a lot of tech inside, ACB is not something really efficient en term of computational power, just have a look at the ACB VSTs how much CPU they use..
This is my first hardware synthesizer also. I sometimes have questioned if the price was worth it, but with all its possibilities even though some limitations, I don’t regret it.
I don't give a flying fcku what anyone thinks about the S8 because it's just me using it. To me the only thing that counts is what comes out of the speakers. For our work the S8 is in the fuel mix that fires the hit machine
Not having the 106 & 60 ACB plugouts in the Juno-X chassis is a crime against humanity. But they wanted to cheap out and only use 1x BMC chip in that, so put in poxy Zen Core and ABM parameter templates Juno-X should have.. could have been.. the 60/106 ACB engines paired with analogue filters. Would have sold like hot cakes
Florian, what have you done? We need to talk. My dear friend, you left so much of this synth on the table and your video length did not allow for you to make a complete through demonstration. Also, you over looked demo’ing the FM capability in the latest firmware update. The motion sequencing totally mitigates the 1 LFO. Plastic yes, however after you own it for a while its strengths shine on through. Is safe to say this is ‘KICKING ALL THE BOXES’ as tis is Roland’s most underrated synth in the last 7 years. Eats the GAIA’s lunch. ALSO, the System 100m plug out and the JP4 plug outs are special. Did you really get lazy and not showcase this synths strongpoints? SUGGESTION: You should do a supplement video with a deeper review PART II or something. This also give you the opportunity to showcase your music composition skills. Give it a shot.. what do you have to gain? 5,000 more subscriptions maybe? Take my advice. We go back, we have great history. By the way any hardware VA/Digital synth after the advent of ‘PLUGINS’ are always going to be called ‘plugin’s in a box’. But that is simply not the case. Danka.
I'll be so happy once you hit 100k subs, you deserved it way sooner with how much work you've put into all these videos. It's definitely my favorite series on YT for music hardware :)
I have the s8 since it came out I've put it next to prophets next to moogs nothing comes close to the alien sounds this thing can do. And immediate af. Never skips a beat. And it doesn't sound digital at all. The only synth I found better for my sound at least is the beast matrixbrute but the big arturia ls not a synth is the og of modern alien sounding synths :p
I love anything Roland ACB. I own the TB-03, TR-08, T-8 and J-6 and they are all at near analog strength in the mix. At one point the synth community seemed aghast to learn that ACB was actually software, but I guess Roland just owned it with the Plug-Out trademark--they know how to roll with the punches. Yesterday's "computer controlled" lead to today's plug-outs. Another great show! Thanks!
I was skeptical when the TR-8 and ACB came out but after hearing it live, I was convinced it captured some of the magic of the originals. As an owner of the 606 and 707/727, the expansion pack for TR-8 seemed to get things right, within expected unit variation. I honestly think the Aira line will be considered its own vintage in another decade or two...
Initially I used to have three pieces of JU-06 boutique then traded them in for System-8. Apart from they aren't patch compatible I wasn't able to reproduce accurately some specific Juno-106 sounds with JU-06 for some reason. But System-8's Juno-106 plug-in/out reproduces that patch just spot on. I believe it happens due to boutiques aren't the same as System 8 in terms of ACB implementation. The fact is that System-8 is the most advanced synthesizer Roland ever produced so far. It's got tree times more powerful hardware than Jupiter-X (3 BMC processors vs 1)
@@MSM5500 I wouldn't be surprised if the boutique units are stripped-down or otherwise "optimized" even if they are based on the same core designs. The polyphony on the JP-08 is hobbled, for instance. I wonder if anyone's done a multi-way compare between the roland cloud VSTs, system-8 plug-outs, boutiques, and originals?
It’s just unfortunate that we never got a system 16 with a proper 61 key keyboard with aftertouch. ACB is the best VA engine Roland ever made. It sounds much better than the newer Zen-Core.
Yay! My Omni Man arpeggiator meme was featured in an episode of Bad Gear. Finally, a life achievement that tops my Masters Thesis! I'm over the moon right now.
Considering the System 8 is primarily a flexible container for vintage synths, if they had made the look of the board more of a vintage styling, they probably would have sold five times as many units.
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Im leaning towards a deepmind 12. Apparently a Roland sound while retaining analog for 1/2 the price ish. And queakable in differnt ways. I like how S8 has an array of knobs, and it has all botiques in one box, great for at home, not so much while on the go. But if you get one, it will likely retain its value for resale, so thats a plus and really no risk to try it out. ♦️🔺️❤️🔺️♦️
Deepmind 12 uses the Juno 106 voice architecture, however without the same chorus circuit. Its real strength is all the built in effects.. and an 8 slot mod matrix where you can modulate the parameters of those effects. Something the Moog One still can't do. The System-8 sounds great, though. Nails the Juno and Jupiter sound way more accurately than the later Jupiter-X/Juno-X releases.. which come in nicer cases but don't have much brains
+25 Nick Batt memes +3% Chance to Wet Self While Trying To Pause On Single Frame -10 to words "PWM" requirement for all spells new Feat: "Casual Entire Phonk Track Composition While Demonstrating Cowbell" Acheivement: YT-promotion Patch Names TBH i don't think you have to grind any more mobs to level up your character before taking on The Cloud...
I never expect Roland to make perfect products, but the obvious product segmentation of purposely lumping a synth of this caliber with a naff keybed with no aftertouch is SUCH a typical move for them. 🙄
Oh man! You finally got one of my pieces of gear! I was able to land a used System 8 in excellent condition for a great price, and I bought it primarily for the plug outs. I figured that’s the closest I’d be able to get to a Jupiter 8. It has a 106 and a JX3P on board too, and I was happy. What made me happier was several months after my acquisition, Roland released a Juno 60 plug out. I couldn’t download it faster! Replaced the 106 and now finally have that J60 sound back in my rig. I sold my J60 decades ago and regretted it since about 3 weeks later. So the ACB version is a good substitute. I actually don’t like the Aira sound engine, but after watching this, I might get into it more. Thanks!
Everyone who sold a Juno back when analogs were getting dumped deeply regrets it, as do all of us who didn't take advantage and *buy* one when they were pennies on the dollar :D
Really like the System 8 concept. Wish they would have added some of those basic features and a few more voices. But, as mentioned, this sounds really great.
@@hut48 I'm on the Android RU-vid app... ok, so, when you tap the screen and the red progress bar appears, I'm holding my finger on the red dot (which indicates how far into the video you are) and sliding up. That action pulls up a "frame view" on the bottom which allows you to shuttle backwards and forwards more precisely. No more spending 40 seconds at a time trying to catch a meme! Good luck! 👍👍
Oh man I love the System 8. The new "circuit mod" they added to the plugouts controlled on the color knob is so good, was hoping you would highlight it (yours isn't lit). If the system 1m had more voices and could house the 106/60 plugouts (and had more slots) I'd 100% recommend that to everyone and call it a day, but unfortunately you need this beast for that and so I can totally see people not wanting to pony up, ridiculing it even as it's not exactly inexpensive while having poor construction and ugly besides. And people just HATE paying for VST in a box when its something that you can get way cheaper in DAW that sounds the same. But this is DAWless, and in that space that Aira line is totally viable. I just got the MPC line Jura (106) expansion and the Aira acb plugout just absolutely destroys it. Those quality acb models just really cut through a mix. But now that 106 is on mpc, we are going to be hearing those crappy sounds in recordings all over the place now. Im not saying that the Aira line is THE best sounding, and value for money isn't exactly high, but they do sound really good and nail those sounds that they nail. Would I say to most people to get a System 8 instead of something like a Peak? Probably not. But there's a good percentage of people that would really be able to use it for so many classic sounds, classic sounds available in a flexible dawless unit.
Oh it's you again, you seem to fail to answer my question every time I ask, always responding with, oh I answered you last time, did you not read? So if you can answer here and now, how is it that you have 1K subs, 1 vid, and only 126 views of your channel?
TERRIBLE FRIES! I have one of these, and a friend swears by his. And in a statement that probably revokes my ability to comment on any synth video ever again...I think it's pretty. Admittedly I have to turn the LED brightness down... The native S8 engine is indeed amazing and sounds huge, and I think loading in multiple entire synths via plug-out is pretty innovative. Roland periodically releases new plug-outs too, so in a move surprisingly uncharacteristic for them, they haven't completely forgotten about this gear even if they haven't done much else with it. It certainly has its downsides, especially at its current price. No aftertouch was no dealbreaker for me, but even cheap MIDI controllers have it so it's an odd omission. The last I checked Roland makes you pay for the plug-outs not already included, so if you want them all you could spend hundreds more (you also had to pay for the System 8 VST, which struck me as absurd if you already bought the hardware). Patch storage is limited, though the SD card slot helps. Mine has also been very finicky about working with DAWs. Of course, a Roland's not a Roland without the trademark questionable design choices and pricing. That said, if you can snag one at a reasonable price then go for it. As others have mentioned, the native engine alone makes it worthwhile, and it's got plenty of knobs and sliders to keep menu-diving to a minimum.
It does sound good! I have a JP-8000, and honestly, the System 8 seems to kinda blow it outta the water. The JP-8k has achieved sort of legendary status - but it's pretty thin sounding. And this has significantly more features.
@@slipknotboy555 thank you for that. I have a System 8 and love it, and a Virus, but as a VA-Head, I've always wanted a JP-80x0, it calls to me, and I have to remember that I just don't need it.
Jam 2 and Finale track were both really good. Regarding the Behringer Jupter 8 meme, if all they did was clone classics that the big brands are stupidly ignoring then that would be awesome. Kind of like Black Corporation is doing but maybe they could do it cheaper. But Uli also clones active products and tries to intimidate critics. That's like mafia behavior. This is the problem with them that the meme ignores.
This design language feels like what happens when the entire approval process is based on 3D renders. "Big swathes of flat plastic? Yeah, that'll look great! Just check out this dramatically lit three-quarter shot!" Those squished header texts on the other hand, feel like "it's six months into the feedback process and I don't care any more."
Such a frustrating synth this. I think it sounds fantastic but the design is horrible in a way that it doesn't evoke the classic sound it advertises. I actually think it works fine for the System 1, with its desktop faux futuristic design. For this though, it just seems a HUGE open goal to not make this look "classic". Also it should cost half of what it does. There's NO way in hell that crappy keyboard and plastic case can justify the lofty price
I have a system 8 and its lovely , I also have a JDXA and it is also lovely. I paid considerably less for them than probably anyone ever but that’s just my luck. 🎉 the System 8 emulates older Roland analogs extremely well. I have many old Roland analogs to compare them. I bring up the JDXA because it came out several years before the AIRA line and it often gets a bad rap but Im telling you its a damn cool synth. Both are damn cool. I use then constantly they don’t let me down on projects, they sound and look retro futuristic.
@@AudioPilz yes the filter on the system 8 is Roland’s best analog emulated filter, I think its the same as the one on the slightly older Fantom 06/07/08 line. Those used the super natural engine also. That super natural synth engine was Rolands best until Zen core. The XA also used the super natural engine or some version of it but it actually has an analog filter hence it beats all the emulations anyways.
The plug out idea was awesome. Wish more companies did such a thing but it’s not the best move if you are a synth company trying to squeeze as much money out of people as possible.
@@AudioPilz I think you are talking about the Arturia Origin? It loads in components of an ancient version of V Collection. It sounds like it'd be crap but actually it's an amazing sounding synth.. you can also build your own synth architectures in there by combining and routing components from one synth to components from another. There are also "templates" which are less heavy to run than the modular system, so you get more polyphony. They only did Minimoog and Jupiter-8 templates for it though. A CS-80 template was promised, but never came. You can just build your own with the modular system still.. but you get less polyphony that way
The System-8 is a great synth in a mediocre package. Roland really should release a true flagship ACB synth that doesn't look and feel like a future retro toy, I'd love to have one.
This is actually not a bad machine at all. However, it was at the tail end of the green Aira phase that Roland discontinued by the TR-8S. I'm expecting that Roland will update this one and get rid of the green, considering there is still focus on their ACB technology and VSTs. Not too long, they updated the VSTs with an out of tune knob, which you can use on the System-8 in 2023. But again, I'm sure Roland next year will announce a new updated plug-out model.
Does anyone remember if the system 8 was on the Roland cloud. I’d swear on a bible it was removed semi recently so all you have is the one now. It’s like the 10th gen civic type R was in Gran turismo sport , but then out of nowhere they swapped it for the 9th gen. Like I woke up in a different p-brand slice of reality !
Great video again, and fantastic arrangements showing off your talent!! The System 8, despite it's flaws, is the one I would first turn on in my studio when I want to be inspired, it sounds so great and the one-knob-per-function makes it so immediate and fun. It isn't quite as organic as my JX-8P, but it still sounds/feels like a real instrument to me. I do wish though it had an extra octave of keys, and more plug in slots.
@@cosmicaddress7851 PG-8X kinda healed a gaping hole in my brain. I let the 90s slide by without jumping on a JX-8P when people were selling 'em cheap, and always regretted it. I'm eagerly anticipating Martin's upcoming rewrite, which should squish some anomalies I've noticed using the plugin on my linux box.
How dare you? HOW DARE YOU? I got one for 900€ and it's my favorite synth. I love the green LEDs. Wall warts have multiple positive features, like not heating up the inside of the synth and being cheaply replacable without sending the synth to Roland. The only bad feature is the limited amount of 64 patches per engine, which makes 256 patches total. It also has the Juno 106 Chorus without the noise, if you prefer that like I do. You also have to add the brushed aluminum cheeks to make it go VROOOOOOOM.
whoever made that werner herzog quote about roland, is a genius... LMFAO someone needs to come up with a hunter thompson fear and loathing comment about roland...
I liked the last jam even though it was meant for fanboys. I'm a fangirl! :P This also happens to be my most-wanted synth (so much fun to play with, and I like the System 8 engine, just wish there were more LFO's and aftertouch) alongside the Hydrasynth, and live in perpetual FOMO that it'll be out of stores by the time I can prioritize my funds going for it.
As "fanboi" has a negative connotation here I didn't go for a gender-neutral version (at least in German it's handled this way). Yeah, Sys-8 is a super powerful synth and a great complement to the Hydra
Yeah, for a synth that drifted up into that price range, aftertouch is nearly a must, and having an extra LFO in your toolbox would really help when the pads are getting thick :)
ok for once i can talk on topic here, because probably that exact synth you just had in your studio, i played at klangfarbe (they did not have one for display so i asked for it, and they actually put one up just for me, which i found an amazing move.), and also bought mine there. i am really happy overall with my system 8, it does exactly what i need it to do, though i am quite dissapointed in quite a few places, like why does it only have 64 Preset slots, why no aftertouch, why patch in performances, why the fuck cant you back up patches one by one? WHY THE FUCK IS THERE ON PATCHMANAGER FOR PC WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE A USB CONNECTION, sysex implementation is shit, manual is shit, wallwart, WTF?! i mean as said i really like that synth, but for me its not a flagship, its a modrange synth at best. and thats okay, IF IT WOULDNT BE FOR THAT DAMN PRICE WTF?! but anyway, great video have a good one, and Prost!
This thing is a monstrosity and basically sums up all the reasons I haven't bought any Roland gear since 2001. I don't think it sounds that bad, but everything else is a problem.
It sounds awesome..! Like my boutiques of Jupiter 8 and JX3P models. The ACB technology can do miracles for dawless musicians. I would like to see other brands make synth in this mode. But probably Roland don't sell his secrets..😏
I will buy the boutique of JD800. But if they release the boutique of JD990..maybe it's better. The project of the D50 model was fantastic and I have it. 8 patches bank user.. and 6 patches bank of all the cards that Roland did in the 80's. ✌🏻😀
ACB will make a return when Roland spin up a new chip with more cores I suspect. Their last 2 generations of chips.. ESC2 and BMC are quad cores (hence 4 voice limit on ACB boutiques when they cheap out and only put one chip in there..) D-05 uses "DCB" which I think it a non-byte-perfect emulator that can simulate the original hardware and run the original code. The same patch loaded on D50/D550 vs D05 sounds slightly different, but just as good. So I think they'd be great for layering with each other The JD-08 boutique just uses Zen Core's PCM abilities, so isn't really closely related to the JD-800 under the hood.. but seems to sound nice. The JX8P boutique JX-08 is a crime against humanity, and nothing at all like the original. Just a lazy ABM template over Zen Core VA
@@Wagoo good explanation..✌🏻 I opened the D 05 because if the D50 in 1987 was digital.. the D05 is a digital replica. And therefor I found only a big chip "Roland"..and a memory chip I think. The JP08 (Jupiter 8) was analog in 1981 and the boutique is a digital clone of it. And I opened it hoping to find more chips..for the analog circuit clone. But I find the same conponents of the D05..!! For me that I am dawless it's a disappointment. Every boutique has an audio hardware like a sound card in a PC.. (the "Roland"big chip) and a good software ACB programming in another chip. Therefore when I use boutique it means play like a PC plugin..?
@@Sandelec-gm2cl the Roland chips you are talking about are either ESC2 or BMC chips. Both are quad core ARM SoC (system-on-chip) ICs. The difference is in the code running on there. Roland often do this.. make a chip then try and reuse it in as many products as possible. But with a general CPU like an ARM, what's running on there can vary wildly. For DCB you can think of it like an emulator for a classic console like the SNES.. they make a virtual environment to simulate the original hardware so that the original D50 code will run on there.. and all the original patches will work. People often think digital to digital is easy, but it's not that simple.. when it's across different architectures. It is possible to make byte perfect emulations of digital hardware though, but the subtleties and timings on the original chips end up making up some of the character of the result. So in the above analogy, the D-05 is more like SNES 9X.. a fast SNES emulator that generally works well.. but isn't byte perfect.. so sometimes you can spot differences vs the hardware. Compared to something like the BSNES/Higen emulator which aims to be byte perfect.. and consequently is a lot heavier to run ACB is circuit simulation, also running on the same ARM chip. The System-8 has to use 3 of them to run 8 voices+FX at 96KHz. The early boutiques used ESC2 which was a slower quad core ARM and could only run at 48KHz, the System-8 uses BMC quad core ARMs which are faster and can run at 96KHz. But what we really need going forward is higher core counts in the next generation Roland chip.. as ACB is a heavy simulation and tends to take up a whole core ARM per voice Rolands newer Zen Core synths also again use the same BMC chip. But running something completely different.. a much lighter virtual analogue engine.. that IMO doesn't sound as good as ACB.. and certainly isn't as accurate when trying to simulate an old synth. It's a step backwards into a more loose 90's VA style.. mainly born from people complaining about polyphony on the boutiques I suspect. So they decided to have a light VA engine and the compensation is you could run more layers of it To me, ACB sounds great. But if you want an analogue clone of the Jupiter-8 then Black Corporation have a rack synth called the ISENIN out, it's all analogue.. but not cheap. Behringer are also supposed to be working on a Jupiter-8.. that will also be all analogue
Roland stuff is so boooooooring and repetitive. Same ABB software under different blingy hoods! The only positive thing i can find on it is the wallwart!
Very funny as always! 😅 However, any sort of criticism of the build, features, or look is being completely destroyed by it's sound in every ten seconds in this video.
Still kinda regret buying the JD-XA over the System-8. Although on paper more powerful the System-8 seems more useful 😅Ah well. It will become cheap at some point and I'll have both for the ultimate retina burning :D
Took delivery of a Jupiter Xm today. No other comment really... just wanted to say I took delivery of a Jupiter Xm today. beans on toast for the rest of the year
Did you have to stretch yourself over years with Volcas then moving up to Boutiques, then a Mininova.. before you were finally ready to take delivery of an Xm? It's impressive, but I worry for the shape of your stools
That old school dnb hits different because very few is making it nowadays🤙🏻 cool track indeed🔥 I owned system 8 a year. Great machine. Easy to get sit in the mix but somehow i thought it is quite expensive for what it could do. I think they sacrificed voices for higher sample rate etc.. (actually i have owned system 1 and now system 1m and i think that it is worth the money if ylu have to pick one ✌️
I really wonder if you would fake this video, acting like you would play a good looking synth, it would still sound so bad, because it is sooooo ugly. Not that the later roland synths look better. Ditch the green go to shiny black and red. Duh
