Bad News For Windows Recall & How To Disable it 

Effectively "Backtrack from an outrageous thing to make the thing you want seem reasonable by comparison". While I can see the logic, I don't think that works in the tech industry. Case in point is Nvidia having extraordinarily high prices for their GPUs with the chip shortage and never dropped them afterwards. Even with their price reductions for the GPUs that aren't selling, people are just buying AMD GPUs instead for either availability or the better price:performance ratio. With Recall not only being terrible in practice but exceptionally easy to extract screenshots and data from in it's current form, any future version would be under even more scrutiny than the "Beta" version as that would be the version that is widespread and vulnerabilities holding back a flood as opposed to a puddle

@@mannather I agree in theory, but that's actually a question of paying different amounts of money; Recall is free (monetarily) so I don't think people will react quite the same.

@@yerachmielb1 It was the best example I could think of at the time that's "Outrageous to reasonable" ;^^ The fact it's free does change matters for the general public but unfortunately, the general public aren't the most involved bunch. Many people don't change their defaults on their tech, no matter how advantageous it could be (play the default ringtone somewhere and watch how many people get out their phone to check). Kinda like how it's fairly simple to block telemetry. Either using Windows' own host file to redirect the URLs is a local IP address or using Winaerotweaker to disable it and yet, many people wouldn't know Windows is getting telemetry data without being told beforehand ("Microsoft still sells Windows keys so why would they need more money from you?" as an example though from them). It's mostly the security researchers and IT experts who will break down the newer version of recall and reword it without bias. It's those stories that'll say about any holes for people to be aware of and spread. Imo, Recall is simply "Testing the waters", to see how it was received before committing. Their intention is clear but they don't know how to achieve it without customer backlash because what they want is inherently anti-consumer at it's core ;^^

Microsoft wanted to discuss windows recall because they new it would generate backlash then claim to pull it so they could hide it in the code somewhere, then during the monthly , update/download , they could harvest the data,,, freely.

That is exactly how it works. To get sheep to accept something you reveal it then you take it away and put it back in a 'better' form. M$ made sheep accept keylogging and spyware as normal. A few years ago those were the things only malware did. Forced updates and settings getting reset, all normal now. M$ knows how the manipulate the simple minded. People will fight and work out how to continue using Windows. They will see it a badge of honor to run the OS their way and 'beat' M$. Microsoft is laughing all the way to the bank. Put the effort into ditching Windows.

I don't trust Microsoft anynore, at all. I did in the Win 7 and Win XP-era, plus with the MS Dos 6.22 and win 95/98. But that changed from Win 8 and forward, especially now with this privacy- and risky disaster called "Recal" + the telemetry in Win 10/11. I will never trust MS again.

@@mhult5873 agreed. I really miss the old dos days honestly

You don't need to trust it. It's already disabled by default, hasn't got off the planning and production phase and hasn't been released to the public yet. Seems like a bunch of whining for nothing at this point.

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus I also don't need nor want this MS Recall. Just my two cents, but I believe a lot of customers share this opinion? Br

"If it's there, then it spies on you. If it spies on you, then someone can access it. If someone can access it, then anyone savvy enough can as well." -Microsoft's MO, probably.

So what if you purchase the key for the OS that you are using? You ARE the product regardless.

Recall is not ready for the public yet, it hasn't left the production floor. Anything that recall can give you is already obtainable through various tools with exception of the screenshots which I don't find useful at all. How's the computer going to know that only important things appear to me every 5 Seconds?

They are trying to stay inline with Apple and the Siri's integration with ChatGPT. Good times.

that's a blueprint for totalitarian govt agencies spying on citizens.

they should put it on bill gates' computer and the whole community will be able to see what porn he watching

That is what Bill Cosby said.🤣🤣🤣

You: But I still trust you and am willing to stay with you because I love you. You would never hurt me again, right?

@@ripcord895 I believe he said "GIGGIDDY GIGGIDDY GIGGIDDY J-E-L-L-OOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

​@@meal_team_sixCorn pop has nothing on pudding pops.

Why is it that most of the big tech companies who behave this way have CEO's of Indian decent?

They Recalled recall.

@@thesaddestdude3575 But they will try to sneak it back in, disguised.

Annoyingly some antivirus already and does registry changes made by the users

Best thing about having an OS that they want to be used in business environments is that they'll always have a way to turn them off.... :)

And that's a huge concern, seeing as gaming is one of the few reasons I continue to use Windows these days

Please tell me again how your brand new 2024 computer (with hardware that you need to own to even be able to run recall) does not contain a 1TB drive, or how suuuuuper expensive storage is in 2024. This is not an argument. Everything will be compressed to a minimum. Microsoft creating the worlds best hacking database though, THAT is an argument against it.

​@@marcusjohansson668 It's not necessarily about the impracticality of the space that occupies, it's the insult of them forcing us to do it. Either way I don't see why it matters as long as the individual is against this being allowed.

@@JohnDoe-pk2hs It matters because FACTS matter, and none of what is stated in this OP of this thread is true.

@@marcusjohansson668 Well, one fact is that he literally never said that he doesn't have 1TB drive, yet you are acting like he did. Another fact is that storage is not the only resource that this can suck up. It can use memory and CPU power as well.

You can run Linux you know.

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus I can and do run linux but still also use windows for many things.

HAH secure data centers, good joke

Like in politics, create problem and give scared people solution.

Sill won't use it and will never have it installed.

What local database didn't work?

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@@Hartley94 Thanks I live to serve.

Wut?

dam if i came here to learn how to uninstall it and had to wait 9 minutes to get that info, i'd be pretty annoyed.

@@quakergrits4610 I mean the beginning was okay, but all I care about is uninstalling don't care about the sponsors or anything just how to get rid of what I need to get rid of.

I don't trust that you can disable it completely, also I don't trust that this happens on your local machine only. I do not trust MS anymore at all!

You have to opt-in anyways and you need a system on arm which is co-bullsh*it-pc certified. Without this it won't be active anyways.

it will be disabled until an update turns it on by default and the app no longer has an interface but a slider buried deep in some spot unrelated to what it does, just to make it hard to find and turn off.

@@Playingwith3D even if not, still over 800 MS "partners" will watch your steps on YOUR computer.

@@pantarei. true enough.

That is the thing I think the few defending it don't seem to think about. Many people work to shut off things only for each Windows update to turn back on.

We'll see how how much a simple python script can obtain once it's finally released to the public.

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus Even for those who trust MS not to simply take their info and then do whatever with it, with all kinds of hacks that have been going on even to the point of getting to BIOS level, I'm not sure why anyone would want to have an archived database of everything that can be viewed on their screen just sitting and collecting, waiting on a hack sufficient enough to take it all. And regarding it being turned off, I'm not one to trust a company that turns back on various features automatically during updates and can easily see them deciding to do that at some point.

Exactly. And those who are even more powerful than the government.

AGREE

If it's not installed, it's not dangerous. Similar to: If you can't hold it, it ain't really yours.

They're not the only ones. By a long shot.

Or just uninstall them both. They're only Appx packages.

@@incandescentwithrage see now THAT makes sense, thank you Man !

I don’t trust uninstalling all these windows extras, the reported size is way to small so you have to be uninstalling only a small piece of the interface. Completing my move to Linux soon.

​@@kupski1964I'm surprised you need this information considering "What, me worry?"

Machines without camera can still take screenshots - simply press Print Screen Recall takes "snapshots" of your screen at regular intervals, though it won't do so if the content on-screen is identical to the previous snapshot. These snapshots are literally images of whatever is on your PC screen at the time, and they're stored locally on your computer, analyzed and indexed for easier searching. In simple terms, algorithms scan the image and try to identify what's in it (colors, shapes, images, text, etc), then make that data searchable by you.

​​@@simonfrederiksen104I'm pretty sure that five second interval screenshots are really going to be useful, as any information that I need comes in 5 Second intervals anyways. "Dear Recall, where did I see that cool rotating green triangle on that home page of some random Joe I visited two weeks ago?" "I don't know, I don't do graphics and in 2 weeks time you've been on a ton of random websites. How am I supposed to make sense of your random behavior? " "Never mind I'll figure it out myself..." Goes to browser history and Bingo.

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus 5 percent user utility 95 percent Microsoft utility

Correct! And Micros*** started with this deliberate "strategy" already with Windows 8.0

Microsoft isn't a software company, it's a data collecting and selling company.

One man's junk is another man's treasure. Recall is worth billions to Microsoft if they can pull it off and so they will never stop trying.. It will dwarf Google's and Meta's data collection. Windows is not free, you are the product and your data is worth billions to Microsoft year after year.

You guys are speaking in too many generalities to put a finger on what you're meaning. What junk other than recall? What is everybody wanting that they're not getting? What specific deliberate strategy are you talking about? What exact data are they collecting and to whom are they selling it? And the final question is who are "They"?

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus well google response/reviews on win 8.0 to get example of not customer needs in focus. Windows 8.0 was designed for tablets, now pc with a mouse and keyboard. But it was sold to PC-owners as an "upgrade" ton Win 7. Win 11 is introducing a lot of extra mouse-clicks for simple and common tasks e.g. copy/past/rename and etc. It also introduce this "Recal"-thing and in general spy on the users PC with telemetry that is 1. active as default and 2. some telemetry can not be disabled by the user. Also: my paid retail win 10 Pro license gor invalid after I changed MB, CPU and memory. Neither Micros*** tool to help with this, nor the manual support could fix this - even after I tried on 5 different occasions. I did finally get a reply from manual customer support: that I had to pay and buy a new retail Win 10 Pro license!! Can you believe it? There are of course many more examples of MS ditching customer need and wishes and focusing on the new MS "strategy".

Do you have other option than move to linux if you care even little about your privacy. I say that recall makes windows user completelly naked even that point that every skin particle is visible to microsoft

I got that same feeling, like I don't own the computer with Windows 10 on it. For me, the last straw took place in 2022 when I ended up getting a virus (my fault), and suddenly Windows took complete control of my computer, and started sending data to Microsoft, without asking permission or giving me the option to stop it. I did a hard shutdown. Then I restarted the system and dealt with the virus myself. After that, I more seriously looked at Linux. I had been playing around with it on old computers when I bought a new computer to replace them. I wasn't sure what the best flavor of Linux was, but I compared Manjaro and Linux Mint. I ended up going with Manjaro with the KDE desktop. In late 2022, I moved from Windows to Manjaro, and I've been using Manjaro ever since. I like Manjaro, but you have to figure out which version of Linux pleases you most. I recently had my PC die, so I built a new one, and I chose to stay with Manjaro and the KDE desktop. There is a learning curve, though. Thankfully, I don't do anything special with my personal computer. The organization I work for provides the computers I use for work. I have no say in what OS we use, so I use Windows 10 for work. I don't care, though, because it's my work computer. Anything I do on it can be monitored by my employer, so I don't put anything personal on it. On my personal computer, the main things I do are use the internet, play some games and play around with virtual machines. Getting the games working on Linux is a little bit of work since they are Windows based games, but it is doable. The other challenge is getting my all in one printer working. As for the printing, it was just a matter of downloading the appropriate driver package and now it works. The scanner feature will take a little more time to get figured out. Neither one of those things are critical to me, so it isn't a big deal for me. My only other problem right now is getting sound from my speakers. Headsets are working. Speakers worked at first, then stopped, then was working, then stopped. Nothing wrong with the speakers, though.

linux mint cinammon edition. you will be right at home

I don't understand the logic here. He can't go to Windows 11 supposedly, has been running Windows 10 for years and now wants to go to a completely different operating system and put the work into creating yet another Windows 10 installation with limitations he doesn't have now. Why don't you just bypass the Windows 11 requirements checks and/or refresh your copy of Windows 10? Are you using what originally was a Windows 8 or Windows 7 computer? Besides potential virtual machine audio, graphics and networking issues, Windows licenses are typically tied to specific hardware. Running Windows in a virtual machine may require a separate license or activation process.

​@@brianschuetz2614Learning curve + sound issue + printer issue + figuring out which one of the thousands of distributions fits me + scanning issue + every other unmentioned annoyance + still needing Windows to do work = I'll stay on a working copy of Windows 11 that doesn't need babysitting. Too much hassle for no benefits. By the way a virus does not send information to Microsoft, and you wouldn't know if and what was being sent to MS without a packet analyzer and experience.

He covered that in a previous video. Easy of anyone controling your pc to see all that.

my 'business' computer is running just fine on win7 it's over fifteen years old i believe

Xp was the shit

Eventually we won't have a choice. We are the commodity in their eyes.

I would guess and assume, yes, it does. But I don't know.

Does your work force you to use Edge?

@@imacmill its the only browser on the laptop, i could install chrome I guess but for work I never browse the web, i just use edge for logging into remote machines and doing my timesheets etc... my personal setup is on a different network, doesn't use windows and uses pi-hole to block all those millions of pesky trackers and adverts. What confuses me is why companies still use windows, particularly in europe where we have gdpr etc., you're pretty much breaching gdpr just by using office 365...

It olny works wit arm cpus and not on win 10

Registry keys are not made up. They are programmed into the operating system. The names of the keys have to correspond with what Microsoft has used them for. Ultimately these keys were created by Microsoft to configure different things within the operating system.

And also never install or use Window-shit 11 or any other software from Microsoft that is BS. 🙂

@@mhult5873 Actually, I use 11 and am satisfied with it. If you dont like it, why are you here?

I got a prebuilt with Windows 10 that won't work with Windows 11 I think I am in the clear teehee jokes on Microsoft.

So in other words, you are telling people to go Linux or give up tech entirely? Let us be honest, every company is going to sneak similar stuff onto everything tech related when possible because it is a gold mine of information they can sell. At some point even cell phones will probably have it.

@@Thesakuraharona Hi! I would rather pay 200 USD for a retail-license of Windows 10 without the spying and with normal privacy and integrity. And also to not have Micros*** "develop" Win 11 to include 2 mouseclicks + selection of "show more options" in pop-up menu to e.g. change a single filename, copy, paste, create shortcut when in Win 10 (not so "developed") it was enough to click 1 time on mouse-button and select the function. Of course there is no option in win 11 to change this click-mess to the way it was in win 10. Also: I wish I never "updated" my win 7 pro retail license to win 10, because of the spying telemetry and nagging about use Edge instead of other webbrowser. And also, win 8.0 was "developed" in a way ms-customers did not need, nor wanted. So Win 8.0 was a mega-fiasco. MS stoped caring about customers real-life needs in an OS and instead care about tge internal MS "strategy" from Win 8 and are still going "strong" in this. Wishing you a nice weekend 🙂

You get a visit from the FBI!

I used to love the Clippy memes. Word " I can't take it anymore..." Clippy "Hi, it looks like you're writing a suicide note, here are a list of reasons why you might want to commit suicide...."

Clipit was way more useful compared to cortana, recall

Actually there are only 2 CPUs capable of running recall, the recall requires a NPU capable of 40 Tops, which only the laptop arm based Snapdragon X Elite and Snapdragon X Plus does have. It'll take a while until desktop processors capable of running it arrives

My wife doesn't wear make up anymore 😞and suffers from "body positivity" because she can't afford OZEMPIC 🙁.

Do you really expect that? serious? Have you, for instance, ever tried to unisnstall Edge?

same!