Badly optimised Spec, will Z390 make it faster? - LFC 

The best overclock came outta his pants at 29 mins 40 sec.... The mic defo picked that one up.....

I stummbled across this channel by accident. What a great guy, and splendind explanations.

Somehow I feel we missed out on an excellent rant. I get why you're cautious regarding the perceptions of a rant video, however, sometimes it's good to highlight, in a forthright way, just how simple mismatches can be made and some pre-built suppliers just don't check/care.

Your videos are very entertaining to watch. From a fellow PC Builder/Tech Nerd. Your efforts in making content like this are greatly appreciated. Thank you!

I'd recommend jumping on ebay and buying a bulk pack of standoffs until you run into the same problem I've had recently.

I build on the box but always worry I will stretch or break a trace on the board as it flexes. Very interesting glad you posted this looking forward to more!

I like your perspective on things, on systems and you're teaching and demonstrating things that emphasize reality and good practice, thanks for this.

great video,as always

i actually like to hear your rant ngl xD

Viewer from Brazil, keep the good job!

Simply and understandably said without unnecessary fantasizing bravo ... I really like it

Excellent video. Thankyou for making this

Excellent content Sir.

Even cheep DDR4 2400 memory routinely OCs up to 2800+ with a bit more voltage (1.375-1.400V should be fine even without heatsinks; my tuned 3600 B-Die 4x8GB barely go up to a total of 8W during stress testing @ 1.390V - 2W per module), so that's something the customer can look into. After you stabilize the CPU OC, set the DRAM voltage to 1.4V, all timings on auto, disable any quick boot functionality, which bypasses memory training. Test and find the max stable memory speed (I use the y-cruncher Pi bench as it's relatively quick and intense), let's say you land at 2933. Lower the voltage until you're unstable again, go back up a step. Start testing the primary and secondary timings from tCL down. Bring up tREFI as high as it will go testing in increments of 5000. When you're done with the timings test overnight with memTestPro or memtest86. Many games won't care much (or even if they did the GPU will be the bottleneck), but many games and other workloads will, improving performance. By the way, 3DMark really doesn't care about RAM speed. Geekbench does and it's quick to run.

Great content 😀 easy to follow 😀

Lmao being an AMD guy when I saw you cleaning that cpu in your palm I cringed so hard before I realized intel doesn't use PGA

pinkish coffee mug on the left at the beginning is a "day maker"

The resetswitch is used for adjust the RgB lighting... by pressing repeatedly it will change the light colour

I like those Be Quiet fans, I'm using a 140mm one in a SFF build as an intake for the CPU and it does a whole world of difference without being noisy. Which I can't say about the Noctua I had previously, which had a bad case of annoying coil whine

Thank you mate! Keep the good stuff :)

Thanks for this comparison. Regards Nico.

@Adamant IT - Good video as always cheers mate.

Hello Graham and thanks for the video! Quick suggestion if you want to pursue similar content in the future; when tuning CPU and RAM, try the "standalone" benchmark in the Shadow of the Tomb Raider trial. Running at 1080p fullscreen (quality level depending on the GPU tier), it will definitely reveal improvements in min, max, 95% FPS, GPU bound % etc. compared to pre-tuned state.

I have a 9600KF OC'ed to 5.2 GHz, on the same MOBO even. I plan to upgrade the MOBO soon when the prices drop some more on Z390 boards. This one shown in this video works perfectly though.

I feel like I’ve found one but what’s a good z390 atx board with good vrm, front panel usb c, nvme, wifi/bluetooth, and just looks nice at a low price, the one I think ticks all boxes is the msi gaming edge ac at around $190USD

Very interesting video, as someone who has built very many budget systems for people who predominantly were not gamers it was interesting to see the true effect of higher quality components. Probably I would use this information more carefully selecting components for myself than what I have been doing for other people as I am happy with the extra spend of my own cash whereas someone who is simply going to use email, browse the web/social media, do a bit of word processing and organise digital photos isn't going to see any benefits.

I've got what is a relatively old system now as a backup in my office. It is a Q9550, 8gb of ram and old Nvidia Card. The system runs really well despite being 13 years old. That is because there are no bottle necks, I've got the fastest ram the system will support, a fast SSD to replace the old hardrive and I run Slackware Linux which is very light on resources. Normally the biggest bottleneck on any PC is the hardrive (as this is the slowest form of memory), the moment a system needs to swap memory from the hardrive to the main drive the machine needs to wait for disk IO. That why old computers from the 8bit and 16 bit era were really fast. They read the OS (what little there was) straight from the ROM into RAM in most cases. However loading programs was painfully slow because you had to load it off of something like a cassette or a floppy disk (which can be thought as forms of memory).

I have a MSI B450-A-PRO MAX. I'm very pleased with it. But the one thing it is missing is Tos-Link audio output which I had been using on my previous motherboard. But that is just a mild inconvenience.

I really like the brown solder mask!

Thank you M.r

Funny thing is that I have a similar 9600k on a H370 board and I just ordered a Z390 to take full advantage of the K cpu.

How much extra has been spent for a 2% performance uplift?

Good video, but i have the feeling that for this exact customer, the correct approach would be to exchange the K for a plain simple i5. Customer would have the same base power (more is probably not needed) and could keep the extra money. You would end up with a K version for sale to someone who could actually use it properly and consciously. Just a thought. That of course does not mean that you're not right with what you did here.

About ram, I have Corsair vengeance LPX 3200 MHZ. Considering I have Ryzen 5 3600 I d like to replace it with 3600Mhz memory. In reality I can buy and sell my own easily without even spending much. Though I d like to buy Corsair RGB pro or TridentZ Ram. So should I OC my 3200 or should I buy 3600. Also few times I have tried to OC I have failed and even last time I was unable to use XMP after failed OC.

Thanks for the great vids, just thinking, i used to take the black cpu cover off like you in this video before i bent pins whilst doing so, its supprisingly easy to do, i would make a point to your viewers to leave it on and let the cpu push it off when pulling the lever down. :)

I have a question is the i9 10900k and a 3070 rtx with 32gb of memory and a mainboard of MSI MAG Z490 TOMAHAWK LGA1200 a good PC

Too me, it's like them selling Land Rovers with low profile tires. It used to rattle me, but then I just accepted that, hey, it's more Land Rovers being sold, which is more market for the company, and increasing the availability and lowering price for when I might want to buy one and set it up correctly. Most people who buy a Corvette will never go onto a track, but them buying it keeps the brand alive.

I was using one of those beQuiet coolers on a Ryzen 9 3900x. With all 12 cores under full load temps were approx 75C. So it's very good value.

Sorry offtopic but can you suggest a book or any other source which explains the basics for repairing electronics, logic boards.

mmmm Lotes socket... i wonder if my B450-A Pro has one, too...?

Hello? I am a subscriber. While watching the video, I saw the microscope installed on the desk. Can I get a link to that product? I want that.

Hi bro i have ASUS Eee PC 1025c I want to know where charging ic

26:14 With the Thaiphoon Burner you can check what Die is on the RAM. If it's Micron E Die it is possible that it clocks very fast. If it's DDR 4 3000 CL 15 it's surely Micron E Die.

@Adamant IT I noticed you mainly focus on Ryzen rigs, but maybe you can help. I have a Z490M (Gigabyte) motherboard (Intel I7). Its all built, running, windows installed, but the rear audio is not working. Windows detects the jacks being inserted, but NO audio. Front audio works fine. i wondered if you came across that at all. Apart from front ports, I have to use a USB sound dongle at the rear until I get this sorted out. Drivers, or just Gigabyte being the usual shit ?

What I miss from having an Intel-based system is the overclocking. It is pretty fun to go into the BIOS and start tuning the CPU settings to squeeze as much performance out of it as you can. With AMD, at least Ryzen Zen2, there's not really a benefit to doing so. I had a shot at doing it and nothing really came from it. Performance was often worse than stock settings. Zen2 processors really do not benefit from manual tweaking. Many videos and other information online about these CPUs seem to back this up. They also seem riskier to overclock because of the varying safe fixed voltages. No set safe voltage has been recommended and instead people have to find their "FIT" voltage if they want to dabble with manual overclocking. A lot of hassle and very little benefit. Ryzen Zen2 practically perform to the best of their ability right out of the box. That's both awesome and annoying. Awesome for those that don't want to spend time tweaking things to get maximum performance and annoying for those that might enjoy the tweaking. As for the video, I agree. Motherboards are quite important. They can easily hold components back. I first learnt this from a pre-build I had. It was an FM2+ AMD build and because the manufacturer fitted a really low-end motherboard with no VRM cooling on it, it meant the CPU could not be overclocked very well because if you tried, the VRMs would rapidly heat up and cause the processor to throttle. It didn't matter how good the CPU cooler was, the VRMs could just not take any real overclocking. Funny thing is, the manufacturer had overclocked the thing and out of the box it was severely throttling as soon as it booted into Windows. I had to tweak that thing so hard to bring it to a satisfactory level of performance. The board limitation annoyed the hell out of me once I started learning about overclocking itself and wanted to try it out. It was the primary reason I decided to build my own system once I had enough funds to upgrade from it. So yes, never cheap out on a motherboard if you want to overclock. It's a recipe for disaster. I see a lot of these non-Z boards and K series processor pairings unfortunately. The K series CPUs really need a Z series motherboard. Otherwise, you're just wasting the processor. You may as well have bought a non-K CPU if you decide to cheap out and avoid a Z series motherboard. All it takes to ensure you've got a good pairing is to do some research. It'll save so much time and money.

a better motherboard means that chance of blowing a VRM or not blowing a VRM due to the quality of the VRM's themselves...better stabilisation = longer lasting computer = happier customer...good video!

It sure would be nice if all the case manufacturers would standardize standoffs. For example 8 mm long metric m3 screw thread. Why do we need different standoffs?

I have about 25 run-of-the-mill standoffs in my spares drawer above the amount I usually keep. I'm in Germany, so I would have to look up shipping options, if you're at all interested.

re: description, RU-vid doesn't support underscores for italics, but does support asterisks for bold. So, you should be able to get it to say *directly* and *unlocks potential* instead.

Sir i have i7 9700k(coolermaster hyper t4) with mobo msi B365m pro vh with 2 slot ram 8gb 3000mhz but motherboard only support 2666mhz. The question is i am worry about overclock because rumor tells OC may do kills the system and not getting the pc may longer. So i need your suggestion which do i need to open "k" cpu potential just because increase little speed but it might sacrifice the system pc life spam or just stay with my spec mobo with no worries???

so i've overclocked an old Q9400 to 3,4 GHz from the stock 2,66 GHz, with a slight voltage boost, and the performance DROPPED by 5-7%. does anyone have an idea what's happening?

The problem isn't only with the system integrator, though. Most people who buy a PC from SI don't look at the motherboard chipset and it's not usually marketed to the customer. They see I3/5/7 or Ryzen 3/5/7/9 and whatever GPU is in there. SI trying to sell AMD systems also have this problem, a lot of boards they use are a320 for the cheaper systems.

How much is a build optimisation service if we send you a PC part picker list for you to suggest alternatives?

Good video

Great videos But it would be better if its a little short or segmented cuz 30-40mins is very long And btw nice beard.

yeah i agree its all about potential and the user's ability to truly utilize it. i know people who buy intel "z" boards and "k" processors just because they are the highest end, then never overclock or even set xmp!

I own a Gigabyte B450, which is a Ryzen platform (as you probably well know), and the amount of fine tuning with regards to overclocking is comparable to the motherboard you're presenting, ie clock multiplier, voltage control, etc. I had the chance to play around with the settings when underclocking the CPU, because it was running too hot in that small, previously uncooled Silverstone ML08 case. Cooled, it runs at stock speeds with acceptable temperatures. I'm not trying to defend AMD - I'm just giving my perspective on things as I own one of their produts. Cool vid either way, might try some overclocking myself to see how many extra frames I can sequeeze out of this lemon without it going up in flames.

Wondering if you could help me with HWMonitor ? i have the latest version but it doesn't show individual core temps just the package node temp, do you know how i can change that ?

Your rants are good for listen to. Unfortunately your love of LEDs has made Mr Corsair richer and me poorer, but my computer looks fine!

Two fans on a push pull, (Is there Rooom) as I would like to see little change in temperatures on want were small increases. I think a good manufacturer would have appreciated the feedback (Rant - On). 1/How important is it to earth the MoBo properly I have seen examples where apone opening the case revealed only a minimal number of screws securing the MoBo. how important is earthing and what are the symptoms?

Hello Amadan IT , thank you very best tuto techno. One question What's name music use intro , thank you very much

i agree cases should come with extree Standoffs

Omg 30sec in and I had to stop to fist bump you because the struggle is real. I go off on this same rant all the time. My main system houses a 9900k so I've gone a bit beyond the chipset limitations because when k series chips start boosting, even at stock, lower end vrms become a major hindrance. Especially when an i9 tries to crank it to an all-core 5.2ghz and its choking at 110w when its calling for 255w lol on the positive, you can gain perma boost at 62c on a stock cooler

Going from 7227 to 7368 by just changing the mobo is barely 2% faster, does that really count as having been massively held back?

hi i am a novice at computers i have been offerd a i7 4796 3.60 ghz for a £100 dont know much else about it but i see the cpus are going for about that price would you think this would be a good staring point to upgrade on a budget thanks it is a full pc

I believe Enhanced Turbo is the same as other manufacturers Multicore Enhancement settings, in that it is on when set to auto and completely ignores the Intel power and boost duration guidelines and prevents the CPU from dropping to base clocks, keeping them at their all core boost indefinitely instead of for 2 minutes that Intel specs. IE. cheating by forcing the chip to run out of spec. A similar setting on my z390 9700k combo has it permanently sitting at 4.6GHz while under any load when the multiplier is set to auto. It never clocks down to the 3.6GHz all core max base clock as it should without editing a couple settings to force it to behave in spec.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT MODEL HE SAID ABOUT THE BAD MOBO B450 TO OC?

H E C C I N G F L I E S

Please upload the rant video. I got excited when you said you were ranting but got sad when you said you didn’t include them in the video. The subject of your rant is very relevant. If possible, we would like to watch your ranting part as well. Please, upload it.

H Chipset for locked CPUs and Z Chipsets for unlocked CPUs. I guess if the client was going to upgrade due to budget but then again better to just not bother in the first place.

Didn't know Gaming = RGB, guess my Noctua build with a 12-core Ryzen and RTX 2070 isn't so gamer after all.

I often see pre-builts do this -- just use the cheapest motherboard that is compatible with all the parts. (Or at least, the cheapest name brand one.) The budget goes to the flashy stuff. Personally, the motherboard is the one thing I'd love to never feel the need to replace.

Overclocking AMD is exactly the same as intel bang up the multiplier and voltage as necessary my 3600 does 4.4 all core @ 1.297v

Hi. Do u think a rtx 3080 will run ok on a Gigabyte Z370P D3-CF with an Intel i5-8600k CPU with 16GB Ram?

well made video

Windows 10 is actually amazing. I didn't have to install any drivers when I built my computer - W10 found them and installed them all itself.

I genuinely believe your more educational and more entertaining to watch in comparison to louise rossman simply because your approach to things are more practical and realistic which we the common folks can relate of..also, love the english accent which is not too deep unlike eev blog which i find btw very annoying..keep the vids man stay safe 👍

If the case does not have an window the direction of the CPU cooler makes no difference as you do not see it.

Well done, as usual Graham! FYI my cats also give you a 👍🏻🐱 🎂 How's the coffee machine doing?

Oh my god the dust on the shroud. Please clean those pcs before you work on them.

1:16 'go that little bit further' triggers the beard touch response... this is something he says to himself with regards to his beard... in the mirror whilst trimming it no doubt. :) ive subscribed

Ryzen boosts to it's max speed on 2nd and 3rd gen. So, no need to OC it. Makes it easier to use a budget board and get the same performance.

I really like this channel but i think you got it very wrong with this video as the bigger difference in budget motherboards are the vrm so stock power consumption is way better on a proper high end board and also locked cpus ironically can get a bigger uplift because if you have a 8700 locked at 65w on h310, by moving to z390 you will get unlocked tdp and lower actual tdp on the CPU at the same time, while K CPUs have higher def tdp and are not limited by power.

Is it possible to damage the CPU by increasing the voltage too much in the bios?

Fired up youtube and you where the first 14 recommended videos lol

When it comes to AMD overclocking is quite literally a "Don't." I think JayzTwoCents did a video on manually overclocking where he pushed it to the actual limit with pretty high voltages for a very slight increase in performance and Actual Hardcore Overclocking essentially has just said to crank the CPU power limit and a few other things (he has videos for numerous mobo brands on how to) and many have also said to also undervolt the CPU to reduce thermals so it boosts even further due to how the boosting algorithm works.

I like the rants...you should make a rant only vid, your best rants of the year video lol

If it were my build, I could not slap a new board into that dirty case. A quick wipe with a damp cloth or a blow with canned air. Otherwise a great video.

I been using IBT since my 2500k.That 2500k was my first chip to get over 50x.

Also links to parts you buy 👍🏻

The z490-A pro is actually really good value, vrms are great on it for the price

at uk is a bit more expensive, but outside are coolers with really nice price / performance ratio, like arctic 34 at 24€ or silentiumpc fortis 3 34€ btw memory speed and timings matter on some games, not 3dmark, and if you have a gpu that delivers enough fps to notice that improvement AMD is so easy to overlock. well, on other words, there is no way to overclock an 3xxx amd, because it comes with auto OC by stock. it adjust their frecuency so tight that is better to leave it at its own that trying to do manual OC

Jimmy Webb would have left that cake out in the rain.

lift the memory speed up, dude ✌🏻 faster ram also improves the minimum Fps a lot!

Please tell me you cleaned the dust out of it......

Everyone can build a PC how ever they want. Like i place my psu down and you up. So keep building. Im from the USA 🇺🇸 btw.

I'm not a fan of K cpus and Z motherboards for budget builds, I would either build the lower end i5, and if that wasn't enough, I would jump up to the locked i7, memory speed only matters when you are cpu limited, adding more cpu power more than offsets the benefits of faster ram.

You put the air cooler backwards on, the sides on that cooler are not the same one is lower

Why do you take the cpu cover off before you put cpu in?

Quite right on removing the rant.