Baguazhang (Bagua Palm) Form and Applications 八卦掌套路及應用 

aang brought me here

great video, thanks for sharing. do y'all make that music yourselves?

Great style, quite elegant and flows very well with itself as intended. I have a hard time seeing the practical application of the introduction movements. Seems like a lot of wasted movement

oh no worries. =) i took taiji when i was young you see, but its mainly for health reasons.

what's rumble righter?

The majority of the movements in the form are from different branches of Cheng Ting-Wha style Baguazhang. For example, palm 3, the beginning of palm 4, and the last two sequences (black dragron swings its tail) are Gao Yi-Sheng style movements.

Despite what you seem to think, a "real fight" is not what you see on UFC. Most real fights (as in fights between average people) are clumsy and awkward spectacles to behold. But to the core of your question... which is deadlier: the rhino that blindly charges in and relies entirely on size and force, or the snake who makes a single, deliberate strike? Both can kill you, but there is an element of blind luck when relying on force. When you have skill, attacking is an act of will, not luck.

In MMA there are over 20 foul strikes and techniques. Virtually all of which were just used in this video to hurt the attacker. I think the MMA guy would be crying for the referee after about 3 seconds. MMA is not no holds barred anymore it is now a sport and as such has no place in "as you put it" real fight situations. Grappling is designed for 1 on 1 wrestling sports but is useless if being attacked by anymore than 2 people. Bagua on the other hand is designed for multiple attackers

I think that's really true. There are certain set principles in nature that all martial arts share (in this case, e.g. the human body can only move so many ways before it gets locked up, e.g. circular motion redirects energy and balance). Goes to show that martial arts has alot more in common than "styles" would lead us to believe. Differences largely depends on what the martial artist choses to do with his knowledge.

There's nothing fancy or complex about bagua footwork or principles. They're proven against multiple attackers and Bagua was used by Royal bodyguards etc. The comment about coming up against a jujistu player is unwarranted. I have been training in Bagua and Taiji for 17 years and have trained with "Jujistu Players". They were stiff, too wrapped up in doing their own thing and had no idea about sticking and flowing with an opponent. BUT this is all down to the individual not the style.

traditionally, learn a hard style, then x'ing yi, then bagua. then tai chi. but, do whatever you fancy. I started with tai chi. I have heard people say "my teacher says i am not ready for bagua yet" ,, i see no reason not to jump in the deep end. x'ing yi 5 elements are a good foundation. /watch?v=Ld3ek8i9pT4 Gao style bagua curriculum contains all three.

i think it's very awesome to note the similarities between the martial art i've practiced for a while (aikido) and ba gua. take a look at 4:15. That's very similar to an nikyo takedown. 4:37 is very similar to shiho nage and 4:45 is like a double nikyo move i was taught. I think these kinds of things are pretty awesome. it just ties all martial arts together really. it seems if one were to compare, aikido is an even softer version of bagua.

Hello Sifu, What style of Bagua are you performing in the video? Many thanks for your time! Xie Xie!

+Nitish Mohan It's mostly a grappling style, that's why it looks like he's pulling on an imaginary thread

Byakugan!

只要对手是静止的并且他的手并在一起，它看起来就很好。 我想在真正的战斗中看到这些技术。

Excellent demonstration! It is nice to see how the form works in situations.

What is the music in this video? It's great!

Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!

I love the circular forms and foot work. I must learn this style before I die. It's officially on my bucket list.

To tcharney123: I am sorry that I don't know the answer. I extracted the song from a CD a student gave me a few years ago. He didn't put down anything on the CD and he is no longer with the school.

Or Ling Xiaoyu (Tekken) or Hyuuga clan (Naruto) ^_^

@dougiedangers - don't wonder, discover. Dig up every teacher you can find and go push hands with them. If they can push, slap, kick, throw, punch you in a way that you realistically could not defend against, and alternately if you cannot push, slap, kick, throw or punch them, then become their student. If not, keep looking. Learn by experience, not by speculating. Ask questions but be respectful.

Philosophy-wise, the two arts diverge significantly on the issue of hurting an opponent. Ueshiba's vision of Aikido was an art that could resolve conflict without causing harm to anyone, even the opponent; atemi and pain compliance is used only to effect the throw/lock. Baguazhang, on the other hand, retains its combatative roots in its usage of aggressive throws and counter strikes to disable the opponent. The two arts have the same circular concept, but two very different goals.

From a gross motor viewpoint, they are similar in that circular movements are used to neutralize an opponent and control his center of balance. However, Aikido focuses alot more on fine motor control of the wrists to lock and force a throw (showing its roots in Daito Ryu Aiki-jujutsu). Baguazhang utilizes more body-checks, leg traps and elbow strikes to trip or knock down the opponent.

I'm answering your question on taijiquan, although this is baguazhang being demonstrated. There are misconceptions about both arts in the west. The way I see it, is that Bagua seems to have retained more of its martial background than taiji. The new age movement has a lot to answer for in this respect. Yes it can be relaxing to do, but this is a side effect of learning the fighting art that it is. If you learn it exclusively for health, then you are denying yourself half the art.

well i used it in practice and it worked great. 2 were greco roman wrestlers and i used mantis, taiji, ba gua and hung ga. Funny thing is that when they rush you full force they can't change direction and just capitalize on that. Plus the crouching structure makes it easy to uproot if you know what you are doing and they don't change their weight distribution.

This deffinately looks like Aang's air bending forms from Avatar: The last airbender I love the show with sooo much passion, you don't even know. Ugh I can't believe they cancelled it. Now they're making Avatar: The legend of Korra. I prefer Aang! My hubby [':

The three internal styles of Bagua, Xingyi and Tai Chi are Taoist in origin. The two most well-known schools are found on (Mt.) Wudan/Wutang and (Mt.) Emei. And ofc, that's not including lineages...it can get a bit complicated, so it's prolly easier to just call them Taoist or Internal Styles.

Martial Arts were originally developed for combat in order to survive. When fighting wasn't as necessary to survive, people re-invented it to meet other important needs. A hammer can build a house or break skulls - the focus of the training changes, but the tools are the same.

yeah very realistic is he dancing, acting or fighting? I wonder if these things will work in a "real fight" situation when a mma guy rushes on to you. (please dont bullshit the "it is too deadly to practice in real actiooon" shit) "the killer fingeeerrr" yeah very deadly

Yep.. sure can. Yang Lu chan (creator of Yang style) was known as Yang the invincible and was said to draw blood with every step. Some of his sons/Grandsons tried to run away as the training was so hard. But nowadays people don't see the awesome fighting art it is. SHAME.

@kelotz07 there are not much, if any flying manuevers at all. bagua focuses alot on stability of the user. so rooting to the ground and walking in a circle is one of the most important part. jumping into the air goes against that

It is probably worth mentioning that as bagua was founded by Dong Haichuan during his years in Beijing and thus bagua should be traced by lineage from Dong Haichuan rather than connections to any of the famous mountain monasteries.

@theneenjah ALL martial arts was created to fight. But not to fight in schools, vs a person that don't know nothin of MA, like he did. Stop. I said that. If some one throw you a punch, it isn't so right that you broke him an art, or not?

In a real situation maybe you can't use theese applications, but have respect for this master. In a video a spectator can't understand what he is doing. Maybe you've very more experience than me in this style.

Where can i find a Sifu in my area? i live in MA. i would dedicate every day any hour to this, i must find a Sifu. I have been hunting for the one martial art that calls to me, and none have called so much as BaGuaZhang.

Plus if you don't understand how the various forms are applied, then you have little hope of understanding how the energy should move through your body. This is only my opinion and not meant to offend others.

Back when weapons were unavailable, we created martial arts to defend ourselves. Now that we have access to firearms, practicing marksmanship at the range is our equivalent of their martial forms.

never ceases to amaze me the variations on ba gua.This teacher stops which breaks the flow of chi i think there could be shaolin influence there which would explain the difference to our form

this is awesome, great music, demos..give thanks

He say '' some1 threw a punch at my friend and i ..bla..bla..'' I told him that bagua is not created to fight with ''some1''. Not when some1 threw a punch to your friend.

Ba Gua Zhang is not created to fight with someone. But it teach you that fight is not the way, @Toryonline= if you don t know Bagua, you cna't understand what he is doing.

To my limited experience, it looks like it focuses on putting the opponent off balance, then using that to get inside of their defense. If I'm wrong, let me know.

does he do the 360 degree turns mostly against multiple opponents? a lot of systems advise against giving up your back or taking your eyes off a single opponent

it looks good, but its too complicated and relies too much fancy footwork to be effective. against a jujitsu user, he'd be screwed

Yeah Neji is awesome

For anyone who wants to know what the first song is, it is called - Shake Shake Tataku: The Best of Kodo, Vol. 2 (1994-1999)

I bowed after watching this video. Thank you!

The performer sometimes walks in circles with his hands up. Does anybody know what the application is for this movement?

One of my favorite moments in Avatar - when Aang is getting attacked by that bully in the fire nation school and he uses bagua to dodge all of his attacks. I know all of his fighting was Bagua, but it was especially clear in that scene :) :)

What a tick!! That's the same form they used for Aang on Avatar the last airbender!! It's awesome to see in action.

This is the style the "Good" Jet Li used in "The One" correct? Very fluid style - I really like the feel of it.

They didn't actually cancel it. It just ended. But I do understand you, I love that show pretty much myself. (:

truly and masterful form. could you be so kind to tell me what artist and song this is, the drums are awesome!

I like it , if you dont mind I'm going to add it to list of forms.Going to take awhile but I like it alot

so taiji can be used offensively and practically? i always thought of it as a good exercise for old folks

On the contrary these two styles compliment one another,,this is the heart of Bomani Jitsu or Sanuces Ryu

The Hyuuga Clan has the same style of fighting. Also, M.K. said, that the 'Juken' ist based on this

I wish so bad I could train this. Seems there are hardly, if any, schools at my country of this art

@ShuyuKoukin - please continue believing this. The element of surprise always makes things easier.

@ShuyuKoukin What experience do you have with Baguazhang and Taijiquan to assert they are just silly?

@tcharney123 The music sounds like Japanese Taiko Drumming, maybe it's a song by the group "KODO"

anyone notice this a weapons form? you can put several chinese weapons in his hands and it would move effectively. i can think of sai, sword, halberd and chainwhip

So you suggest one doesn't begin with Baguazhang? I just want to learn it now, it's so amazing!

wow impresinante la tecnica, habra que practicarla mucho para llegar a este nivel.

chinito de melaa haber k se venga por aqui por el callao lo sacamos calato jeje

@taipingvlg is this gao bagua cause there is a school close to me that teaches gao style

no..... god that disgraces my families style Never compare them.... ew, never again...

Good form. If I were to learn all three internal styles, which should I start with?

What is the name of that awesome song that plays during the apps? Is it by Kodo?

If you think BaGua is not for fighting, then you don't know much about BaGua.

This is so cool to watch. I do martial arts, but no way is it this refined.

@chrisfreel How do you pronounce the martial art and is this wudang style

Form section is boring, but when you start from 3:20 gets more interesting.

that mattress gets a good workout!! good stuff!

Are there any guides to learning Baguazhang? Perhaps books or dvds?

Fantastic performance and demonstration of applications!

i guess 3 thing brought me here. avatar, negima and neji hyuga.

Where can I learn how to do this? Any good schools in Florida?

@Occultaz ...ummm no offense, but i cant understand u :P

Hahaha this move is so epic with the music! 1:22

easy if a mma rushes in bagua will walk around.

Nice Clip, i like the application as well THx

but i thought the air benders where all gone

is this southern shaolin or northern shaolin

I thought he taught Yin style and Gao style.

help me correct my *everything please*

xiaoyu from tekken brought me here...

came here becauso of naruto... LOl

talking abt bakwazhang or taiji?

Avatar Aang and Neji of the Hyuga Clan

The routine sure is long.....

Master Lin teaches traditional push hands routines and a version called response hands which is more free form push hands. There is also extensive training on how to use cold fajin during push hands so one does not need to time to prepare the fajin. The Pre-Heaven system that he teaches allows the practitioner to fajin at anytime. It is the best system I have seen in my 27 years of martial arts training.

similar philosophy, i think.

really where is he located?

Oh shit, hes airbending!!

Yes traditionally you were not taught ba gua til your 40 or so I was told from my teacher also from my understanding you didn't learn sing yi without learning ba gua and vise versa. I never learned all of the xing yi .

How well does he teach?

very impressive style. I first learned of this style from Avatar: The Last Airbender. i like how smoothly it flows from one move to the next.