Bajiquan proves formidable again - Baji vs Linqing Tantui (kungfu kicking style) 

Thanks

I do not see any Chinese martial arts in the fight... Just seemed to be like any ordinary UFC/MMA fight...

I mean, yeah, kinda. But just like most Kung Fu styles, it is heavily misunderstood, it is mostly grappling and trapping (just like the others). The elbow and shoulder techniques are basically the things that it brought to the table. That is similar to how Mantis style was more about joint locks even tho they all had them or how Xing Yi was about developing intention even tho they all taught that, i can go on: Wing Chun was more about trapping and simultaneous offense and defense and yet every internal style (including Xing Yi) and most animal ones were about that too.

I've watched a flo wrestling match before and both wear black over a black mat/floor, it's the worst lmao

What about the vases

It's confusing

Looks like we'll have to look up Akira Yuki. I think someone else mentioned it too!

Akira’s Bajiquan comes from the Wu lineage of Bajiquan, particularly Wu LianZhi. Very good and strong

@@FightCommentary Akira is the main character in the Virtua Fighter games, developed by Yu Suzuki, and he indeed does bajiquan. Suzuki has a legitimate passion for martial arts and he actually went to china to seek out some of the last baji instructors of the time to study the style and do motion capture. I can't remember his name but there's one of the guy involved in Virtua Fighter who went and learnt bajiquan and brought it to Japan and is apparently one of the main reasons the style didn't completely die out.

Ay,i am not alone in reverse engineering Baji. I found out that Tekken is very good for good technique form,expecially seeing Eric Jacobus doing the irl versions.

​@@jaypoisonwas it perhaps Tamotsu Miyahira?

Yeah

All the kungfu styles had actual sparring, and they are (were) essentially all MMA (they all had a mixture of distances, of boxing in the generic sense, kicking, joint-locking, grappling and throwing), with "open platform" competition (with very light rules) through to about the early 20th century. The first difficulty is that a lot of them were proprietary to rural areas, villages and clans, and sparring obviously depends on a healthy-sized "pool" of people (mainly young guys) for it to be effective. That condition obtains more easily in bigger towns and cities these days, so a lot of those older styles are in danger of fading out, as young people just gravitate to what's available in towns and cities (which will be a mixture of imports from other parts of Asia and from the West, and sportified or commercialized forms of kungfu from the early to mid part of the 20th century, like Sanda). The next big problem was the Cultural Revolution, which caused a huge break in many of the rural traditions, as the intent of the Cultural Revolution was to get rid of the "four olds" (Old Ideas, Old Culture, Old Customs, and Old Habits, with the varied local styles of kungfu being included in those "olds"). Which is a shame, because in the _early_ days of Communism, the idea was more to treat those rural styles as the property of the people, and the history of them was beginning to be documented and brought down to earth by Communist scholars like Tang Hao, contra. all the "Daoist origins" bullshit that had earlier accreted around Chinese kungfu as a result of the _Wuxia,_ the romantic MA novels of the early 20th century (which are the origin of a lot of the myths and bs around kungfu, basically grounded in the phase of Chinese Nationalism that came before Communism). But the Red Guards completely flipped that attitude. The whole matter of Chinese MA is a vexed question, and there have been a lot of upheavals in the course of the 18th to 20th century that screwed up lines of transmission, etc., with lots of things being lost. I mean, basically we're very lucky to have, trapped in amber, as it were, a fair few older styles that were mainly developed around weapons (almost all the kungfu styles aimed at skill with melee weapons, with barehanded forms being more or less just a foundation - for example from the 17th through the 19th centuries, the most skilled young men from Chen village, the home of Taijiquan, often went into the caravan bodyguard business, where halberds - or "big knives" as they're charmingly called in Chinese - were the main weapon - or again, what the Shaolin monks were _really_ famous for in their day, was their skill with spears). But what exists now is just a small proportion of what used to exist. In fact, China has had several losses (comparable to the Cultural Revolution) and rediscoveries of martial arts in the course of its history - but unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it :) ) the condition for rediscovery (that melee combat be ubiquitous) no longer holds, so the Chinese just have whatever remnants they have now, and that's it. Bajiquan had always been highly respected, even through the Cultural Revolution - apparently Mao's bodyguards were practitioners. But a lot of the "name" kungfu styles like Baji, that had a similar level of respect (like Taijquan) earned their stripes in the days of "open platform" competition through the 19th and early 20th centuries. It's hard to say whether it's all been lost or whether there are still pockets of authenticity here and there. What you can say with some certainty is that you're _highly_ unlikely to find authentic kungfu in your local strip mall, and even in China itself, the whole thing is so intertwined with mythology and money-grubbing that you're going to be hard pressed to find it there unless you speak the language and are prepared to travel a lot in search of it, and then be accepted by and live in, some small town or village for a few years.

its been used by security/body gaurds since Qing times, all the way up to mao and chiang kaishek, so its stayed pressure tested and useful. Also, it was developed in a region with a lot of conflict and robbers etc, and was developed by the Hui, chinese muslims, who may have had to protect themselves more often due to being minorities, so it is inherently designed primarily for combat and has stayed focused on that.

Real baji might be hard to find but it's not impossible! I trained with a master in Taiwan who was a student of liu yunqiao, head of security for Chiang Kai shek who created wu tan martial arts and was the student of the legendary li shuwen. Taiwan still has great martial arts all over the island that have maintained a very high degree of authenticity. Wu tan martial arts does have chapters abroad including the us, so if you want to learn authentic baji and live near one its definitely possible to study there! Wu tan teaches baji and pigua together as well as bagua and other martial arts. My experience from learning from my master was that this stuff is one hundred percent real and effective and that it was full of knowledge and depth

​@@gurugeorge exactly

I was told something similar. That it was called springing leg not because of the kicks but because of the leg power.

Some people call it Linxi Tantui now because the Longtan Temple is situated in Linxi county. Linxi county was once called Linqing and was a part of Shandong before the borders between provinces were defined.

So it more like muay thai then teakwondo then

Thanks man! People like you who show so much support is what it’s about. I will continue this output until my next vacation 🤓🤓

Yeah

I got more bajiquan videos soon!

@@FightCommentary Awesome!

Yes indeed

different character. I'll update the post, because you ask a good question. 弹腿 VS 潭腿。

I have Tan Tui in my curriculum. From what I was told, it was its own style at one point.

The branch in the video is the oldest system with the name Tantui, originating in the Longan Temple in modern-day Xingtai prefecture in Hebei. The Hui people practice their own type of Tantui in Cangzhou that may be related to the branch shown in the video. Both share the name "Tantui" but are spelled with separate characters. The Hui version spells Tantui as "弹腿“, meaning springing kicks, while the one shown in the video spells Tantui as "潭腿“, meaning kicks of the marsh.

@@jadenng7569 Interesting. I only knew the Hui tantui (the 12 and 10 lines ones). Thanks for the info!

@@EzeHSK Both the original (Linqing) Tantui and the Hui Tantui have separate curriculums, but the original Tantui is more of a standalone system.

the development of kung fu that can actually fight started a lot later then karate, think about it, the development of kyukoshin started in the 60s. ~40 million people (conservatively) died in the PRC cause of Mao in the 60s you know, people often gloss over something as significant as this.

​@@user-nb2bt2fu1e Every Kung Fu style can "actually fight" they are just generally practiced wrong and without actual sparring

@@user-nb2bt2fu1e Then how come ancient China had a an elevated fighting platfrom called Lei Tai for their local arts to test and compete? Secondly, Kyokushin is NOT the first example to encourage sparring and full contact strikes. The native Okinawans already had Tegumi wrestling and Kake Dameshi or Jiyu Kumite (free sparring) to train realistically alongside Kata drills before 1900. They even had Bogu Kumite or sparring with Kendo gear to practice the various strikes of karate with full force since the beginning of 20th century. Mas Oyama or the founder of Kyokushin had past experiences in Bogu Kumite when he was initially a practitioner of Goju Ryu Karate.

​@@user-nb2bt2fu1e What about the Guoshu institute in nanjing?

I have to agree. For some reason no matter what they train in, once they spar and put on gloves they all look very similar. I don't see palm strikes, forearm strikes, elbows, hammer fists. But when you watch their forms. So different from each other. An old Sifu once told me your forms are the seeds of your system. If when you fight, you just hop up and down boxing, what is the point of forms? Might as well kickbox.

Did it ever occur to people that maybe that's all they have?

@@TheGrave10der depends on the technique. the one in that timestamp is purely due to inexperienced striking, same mistake observable from newbie boxers. E.g., I hypothetically I could teach Sugar Ray Robinson that move, he would KO a guy with it. Since it's the same phenomenon from newbies in MMA/boxing/muay thai/etc., the timestamp i am referring to is the exact same mistake every inexperienced fighter makes in every discipline. this is actually a fitting topic to bring up world class fighters typically fail 75% to 50% of their punches in real fights. thus if i were to explain, if a newbie can land that kung fu strike, then an experienced fighter will definitely land it in a much more devastating way. Keep in mind that anything not a jab will likely fail 75% of the time or more depending on how fresh the opponent is and how skilled they are. Thus, hooks, overhands, uppercuts, and the strike in this timestamp, even if performed by a world class fighter, are still likely to fail statistically speaking. Ofc, if the opponent is outclassed, then the opposite is true and everything will land, so we assume approx. equal skill level.

It does make it harder hahaha!

Dude, the old version of Karate and and even old school Taekwondo already have a boxing style stance since the beginning of 20th century. It is called Kamae Dachi in Karate and Gyeorubi Junbi in Taekwondo. But it is more like the Irish stance of bareknuckle boxing rather the modern version of boxing because both of them were designed for bareknuckle striking instead of heave gloves. Secondly, you said the moves in forms will get someone killed in a real fight. Yet the ones from my recent videos show opposite results. Kata is useless unless you know the actual applications of its isolated techniques and pressure test them in Oyo Jiyu Kumite or application free sparring.

​@@combatsportsarchive7632 Exactly I'll keep saying this Kata/forms are like letters in the alphabet you still gotta know how to formulate words/sentences to communicate

fighting fundamentals are all the same. guy throws punches and kicks, has footwork and head movement: must be boxing kickboxing muay thai. If theyre not doing dragon ball z shit then its not tcma, sigh....

Yeah. They should have had better colors for sure 😜