To their credit, at least they have always been very open about the views being due to their wiki automatically opening their stream to anyone browsing it. As scummy as that is, could have been worse if they'd pretended the views were actually active viewers of the streams
@@Odyssey636 As I said, scummy, but could be worse. If they have started to ban people for thst, then they have changed for even worse than they used to be
Back when the Pathfinder games first came out, I learned how terrible Fextra was. It was literally impossible to google anything related to that game without the first 50 results bringing you to the worst wiki in the world, that consisted of nothing but misinformation. The amount of actually good wikis Fextra has killed by stealing all the traffic is staggering.
"RU-vid is a video hosting website on which you can watch videos. You can also post comments under the videos you watch and discuss with other people watching the videos. Sommetimes it's nice, sometimes it's not" - Every Fextralife sh*tty wiki Glad they're banned indeed
Not surprised Fextra would pull this shit. They've had a near monopoly on game wikis for years now and unless everyone suddenly becomes aware of their shit and stops giving them traffic, it's just gonna continue. So basically, it's just gonna continue.
Yeah I've been avoiding fextralife for a while, and it sucks that since they're always the #1 result when you look up really game wiki, a lot of people click it, half the time get incorrect information, and unwillingly help push their stream numbers up.
Its not only a monopoly, they just straight up offer shit info on their wikis. Some games barely get any info vs the community wikis a week after launch. Some that do are often factually wrong info. Not to mention they stick their fucking stream on the wiki page so you will always have a stream playing in the background with one of their wiki pages open, unless you pay to remove it (or just use an adblocker to remove it)
It's amazing for how long everyone knows what they are doing to pump the views and climb the twitch ladder, and twitch did absolutely nothing about it. Truly amazing.
How is it not against their ToS? This is the first time I have heard of it, probably because I block popups, but how using a wiki site that opens the viewer different than those bot services? I woulda banned Fex as soon as someone sent in that report.
@@RoseKindred Twitch allows embedding. If Twitch was against embedding they would not have made it possible in the first place. I mean in what other way could you use embedding?
Embeds already do have different ad service rules to account for the fact that people are less likely to actually see the ad so they cost less for the advertiser. They aren't doing anything wrong by embedding their own stream. It's obviously not the same as a real streamer growing a viewerbase that actually wants to watch them but there is no victim here. @@angelsenvy2282
Yeah when I realized what they were doing when it came to Twitch views, I actively made sure I used my adblocker to forcefully close that stream whenever it popped up while viewing the site. That said, didn't know they were also trying to hurt other wikis. Man I swear greed ruins everything.
I blocked their stream element with adblock as well as all their ads and now I never see anything intrusive on their pages. Amazing how much better a website reads without ads.
Low key though everyone view bots on twitch. It’s so rampant and most viewers too stupid to even realize it. Prob outside of asmon, every person you watch has done it or does it.
For some things it's either Fextra wiki or no wiki, or at least no wiki that gets to the quality passing the low bar of Fextra. I might have to go to second page of Google to find one :^)
That's crazy. I've used their RU-vid videos occasionally because I felt it was calm, well constructed and decent information most of the time. Had no idea they were doing stuff like this.
they aren't, the reddit mods are the shady ones, they want to boost their own community wiki. For example, on launch day, they legit ruined fextralife's wiki, cuz anyone can edit, they mass editted it like, wrong, moved stuff around, made it unusable.
I say death of the author. Their videos are mostly good, and (at least for the games I played) their wiki is consistently better then most. I even follow themm on twitch as I like some of their streamers.
The problem is that they made quick reliable wikis, and good game guide too. In terms of content they are still pretty good, but in terms of ethics they are questionable.
@@laizerwoolfreliable wikis?? Bro, they post the most bare bones information possible and like 60% of the time it's still inaccurate. It only feels reliable because it's always been the top google results.
I had no clue that Fextralife was this shady, I have always used the wiki since dark souls 2 launched, sometimes the wiki wasn't up to date with the games, but it was a nice place to search fot things
Only their dark soul and elden ring wiki thats decent. Everybother game has tons of missing info, pages of full placeholder template, and straight up wrong info sometimes. Its really bad because its not community wiki where people can contribute and fix
@@zufar1221 Honestly, their Dark Souls wiki isn't that good either. It's frustratingly common for them to not have the information you're looking for but they push the wiki that does have that information way down on the search results. At least that's been my experience.
i use theirs for monster hunter and fromsoft games because there are no decent ones that had a complete info and stuff. Probably going to change if there are some decent ones but its seem they are the only one who pop up when seaching.
I coincidentally tuned into their stream yesterday without knowing who they are and let me tell you, the stream had over 10k viewers and the chat didnt move. It just didnt. There was 1 message in 5 minutes.
The sad part is that a lot of higher view MMO streamers are view botting (not saying it's primarily MMO streamers, that's just the type of streams I tend to watch if at all).
I always had my suspicions that Fextra was super shady, but I couldn't put my finger on it. The way the wiki has dominated any game that comes out made me really skeptical, you couldn't even find other wikis without seriously looking for them. So it doesn't surprise me in the slightest the scummy tactics that are being used.
All streamers are lazy pos and this is proof. All greed and no care about gaming. Why gaming is so boring nowadays. All about sponsors and microtransactions. Streamers caused this with loot crate videos and sponsored videos lying about the game for views and sells for more sponsored money
But I couldn’t put my finger on it 🤓☝️ I always thought they were super shady but I had no idea why I thought that, maybe its cause my name is theonceandfuturespecialkid 🦼
@@xCeL46 yes of course he's serious. I feel the same. Why would people who watch reviews on yt know ANYTHING about him botting views on twitch? I dont watch twitch. ever. It's just not something i ever do, really. I watch asmon and other streamers on yt pretty much exclusively. I dont have the time or desire to watch 67 hrs of streams a week. I just catch clips and vods on YT, and thats plenty for me, and lots of others.
The thing about wikis is that anyone can make one. No one owns the concept of a baldur's gate wiki for example. If someone knows how to make a functional website, it can very well overtake fextralife as the premier source of information like what it did to Fandom before it.
The problem is fexralife is really good at search engine optimization and 95% of the people will just use the first google result, therefore fextra will prevail
Fandom is still running and buying out other wikis, And fextralife understands this concept, its why they are vote brigading other wikis to prevent them from being used more. Its difficult to actually get a wiki running without someone trying to take it down thanks to these two in particular.
Even without their shady practices, I always hated their wikis because it'll be the first few results and rarely contain any useful information (and not just for bg3)
The irony. When the first anti Fextra post came up stans were saying that even though it wasnt always good info it was still useful to keep the links up and at least they werent vote brigading.
Because its a shit Tone of work. Needing dedication to game to a point that is far more than just playing. That's why his content is so bad. He wants to put it up, but doesn't care enough to do it right, which would take months to do, but he has all his shitty builds and guides in the first week of the game up and at that point many people don't realise how bad it is.
A lot of people are. Embed farming isnt new or unique. If a streamer has a website with actual draw to it then they will probably consider embedding at the very least. Dkayed is the owner of guide/meta websites for both yugioh duel links and master duel and he does the same thing. He gets like 5k views from the embeds but probably has a decent amount of real views as he is constantly hosting community tournaments.
As someone that has known about Fextra since the first Nioh; Good riddance. Sick of this guy making wikis only to mostly abandon them after a few weeks. He's even made wikis for games that *already had ones* such as competing with the Dark Souls wikidots, which are not only less resource intensive and easier to navigate, but also have better information despite no longer being maintained :V
This has been an annoyance for me for a while, since I use their wiki for a few different games and it is annoying how the player always plays on its own, hogging extra performance. I even looked for an ad blocker targetted to twitch ads (not ads ON twitch itself) and couldn't find sadly. Messing with the developer tools helps, but it becomes a headache if you have to use the site often or have multiple tabs open at the same time...
This has always been my gripe with the fextralofe wikis...the damn embedded twitch box is annoying as all he'll and I go out of my way to avoid using their site as much as possible.
I have such embedded links blocked in my browser, but they might serve a tracking purpose. And the fextralife channel has always been a great spot for leaked spoilers due to its audience being the equivalent of a transient street corner.
Guys, what Fextra does is called embedding. It's also used by streamers who gamble, and obviously, the specific streamer in question has a dedicated contract with Twitch. They definitely earn much less from subs and ads
Yeah not suprised, FextraLife have always struck me as an weird enigma, they suddenly popped off, but everybody I talked to said how much they despised their site and wiki in general. And their Twitch streams is the same thing, where I always wondered where tf the people were when they had many people as "viewers". They have tried to steer people towards themselves for quite some time now, at least to my knowledge, so seeing this is just confirming that even more to me at the very least.
Crazy part is that embeded windows actually count as viewers. Twitch goes so far to prevent people from skipping ads, claiming drops without having the stream audio live, etc, yet its fine to put your stream into a muted box in the corner of a website and it count as a full viewer. If flextra runs ads to 40k "viewers" but only 3000 are actual viewers, how is that not fraud for the companies paying twitch for the advertising? Lol
Well, that explains why I always saw some kind of Twitch stream up in a corner while wanting to check something out on the wiki. As I recall I even made several entries on that wiki when BG3 was in EA to help other players with info on items and the likes. Never really bothered me as I don't really watch Twitch streams (only if they have drops I want and then I use apps to auto-claim).
I remember someone made a thread in that subreddit asking to not support fextralife wiki pages and the comments were saying its not a big deal and were against OP. Glad fextralife got what they deserve.
This is honestly sad. As a powergamer, and optimization lover. The one rule I thought everyone agreed on was, share all info, for the betterment of the community. How can gamers find that broken build or juicy exploit if there's misinformation or blatant manipulation? The pursuit of absolutely knowing everything about a game should be pure and collaborative.
Dkayed is a yugioh streamer that does the same, the stream is embedded in one of his sites so it looks like it has thousands of viewers but the chat moves slowly for the number of people supposedly watching.
I along with a few others had no idea. I've used Fextralife literally just a few times like with Elden Ring builds (I don't even do Twitch stuff), so I was wholey ignorant on this. Glad I know now.
It always pained me that gaming communities never took up the effort to make other wikis stronger whenever a new soulsbourne game would come out, seeing as how absolute trash fextralife is as a website in general, how lazy their admins/modders are, and yet that become the go-to wiki for those types of games. Talk about a tragedy. I once had a petty, ridiculous argument in the comments of an item description because one of the fextramods couldn't let it go that I was right about something the site was incorrect about, to the point he was insulting me when I originally said nothing about him at all. Childish. Also their streamers are trash at video games for what it's worth, it's why nobody actually watches.
I hate FextraLife. It's a terrible wiki, and it usually takes all the search results away from much better wiki sites. The tips are useless, and very subjective. Half the comments are a better resource than the page, the other half is pure cancer.
So this confirms it then. I was always curious that my message was much easier to be responded by streamer in Fex channel then in other 20K+ viewer channels. I type messages mostly to ask other people in chat and never expect the streamer to see in 20-30k viewers but it always seems easier for streamer to respond to the question rather than random people in chat to respond . As much as I was appreciated to be respond to, it always felt quite strange.
In Path Of Exile, the old wiki was anbadoned and google always show its outdate link first. So the community create an add-on for browser and anyone installed it. Its gonna point to updated poe official wiki. I think this case, the BG3 comunity need to do the same thing.
It wasnt until their armohred core first inpressions that i thought something was off. Thanks asmongold and lets hope this video reaches other people who use that shitty site
fextralife is trash I hate how the internet has created a business about the meta and conversation around games, now the first thing when people see a game is to disect what is meta rather than having fun with the game.
I've used Fextralife wikis for years and literally had no idea he was a single guy, or that anything shady was happening. I'm not a regular Twitch viewer so I also didn't know they were view botting anything - I didn't even know they streamed. But now I think I'm gonna cut that wiki a wide berth.
It's not view botting per se, bit more complicated than that but definitely very shady. What they're essentially doing is embedding their twitch stream into their publicly used wikis for various games. The wiki by default launches an embed of the twitch channel so anyone on the wiki counts as a 'viewer' even if they just have the wiki tabbed open whilst they play a game. As a result their viewer count gets inflated. It's not view botting because technically everyone on the wiki could be a potential viewer, all of them being legitimate humans at least. But it is definitely artificially inflating the channel views through shady and forceful tactics. Iirc the embed cant be disabled or closed. I understand why they do it - it's playing the twitch game. Twitch had garbage discoverability and still mostly sorts by viewer count - the idea being than more viewers = more interesting content. As a result fextra is just inflating their viewer count artificially whilst technically not botting so that they hit the top of whatever category they're in so that they get actual viewers on-site trafficked to them.
Fextralife is like the worst fan wiki that I've ever used. And their videos aren't that far off on quality. That guy was the only one that I heard complaining about the graphics of armored core 6, of all the reviews that I saw.
I hate that in order to read the wiki I have to get half my data plan squeezed out because they decided to autoplay their stupid build videos or their stream on the website
I am not surprised, considering that this wiki literally does not allow you to use the mail domains of your country and allows you to use only global domains like Google domain. At one time I made a small contribution to this wiki in the Elden Ring section, well, I'm not going to make it anymore.
If anyone remembers an old Dark Souls RU-vidr by the name of EpicNameBro, he called Fextralife out years ago for basically stealing data from the official Bloodborne guidebook and lying about it. They've been scummy for years.
Back when MH World launch, FextraLife was pretty much the only wiki available for it. It's a shame how stupidly incomplete that wiki even as of today considering it takes months for the more reliable monster hunter wiki to update due to the changes in regional launches for that game.
they also exactly copied d&d wikis word for word for their spell descriptions, when many of the spells actually function very differently in the actual game
Not only do they inflate their views and manipulate subreddits, their wiki is total ass to look at. Before I ever knew about these other issues I hated looking at their terrible websites because they had the appearance of being made cheaply and as fast as possible. I could forgive it the first time, but every game they have a wiki for looks terrible. Even the comment sections have the same default icon regardless of the game.
That's the issue with those mass-gaming sites that pump out 'guides' and 'wikis'. Usually, when the game launches and is still popular, they'll throw together a wiki as fast as possible, with very surface level information and sometimes very badly put together guides. As soon as the next hot game drops, watch them abandon the current wiki and proceed to make a new wiki for the new game just to cash in on the hype.
Their fucking Wrath of the Righteous section is dreadful. It has correct info but not only is it incomplete, but it is also completely shit grammar wise.
@@manny022 They don't even have release date on their wiki for the Black Geyser because they only did some quick research about the game in early access stage in 2021 and never updated anything since early access.
Back when I saw Fextralife in New World, I was confused as I've never seen this person before and he is such an insanely huge streamer?! More viewers than Asmongold?! And... nobody talks in stream, then I was thinking maybe their viewers really pay attention to his gameplay lmao EDIT: To clarify "nobody talks in stream", during New World, it was like 40-50k or more viewers? But the chat felt so slow, look at most streamers with active viewers about 3k++, the stream usually fly so fast, you can't see your own chat.
That's an instant sign something shady is happening. Shady RU-vidrs or Streamers will often buy bots to trick people into thinking their big shots. And sometimes buy bots for the sole purpose of targeting people or posts they don't like, which Fextralife seems to be doing.
Honestly Fextralife helped me a lot when searching for crafting gear when I was playing Monster Hunter so I don't really mind viewbotting the guy. Yeah it's shady but I always turn the stream off instantly when entering the site and I always have adblock on so it's just a trade deal I'm personally fine with. This is indeed shady stuff though
i was not aware of this. i was already avoiding Fextra wiki since in streams theyre so mid/bad at all games, and their website's guides,builds, etc on many games are so bad, lack info, or are just not optimal. now this is another reason for me to avoid their site
@@moonkinx Wikidot for Demon's Souls and DS2 (probably DS1 as well); bloodborne-wiki for Bloodborne is the absolute gold standard, though. Unfortunately, DS3 and ER aren't so lucky.
Dealing with their shit? Fextra has the best Wiki for most soulsborne games by a country mile, so for me atleast it was 99% of the time very helpful. Granted, I didnt know at the time that I count as twitch viewer by visiting the wiki, but nonetheless, claiming that the wiki is shit is just wrong imo
I saw them not long ago streaming Genshin... and i was like.. who the heck is this? Never heard of this streamer before and mean, even the bigger streamers for Genshin dont hit 40k viewers, the big shot often are around 5k to 10k. I only see Genshin go hard o viewership when a special program is running. I went check on it and all i saw was some lady playing very poorly a weirdly build team, watched it for 2 minutes then left 'cause i couldn't handle a player with levels 90 on their account playing like they had just started the game 😂 Funny thing... isn't their symbol just Kirito's sword, The Elucidator?
Maybe you should provide evidence of them doing something against the rules instead of throwing out accusations and creating a witch hunt for something that might be unfounded. Wouldn't YOU feel scummy if in the end you riled everyone up and it's proven they didn't viewbot or do anything else against the rules? It's a slippery slope when we just assume someone did something wrong. That's how innocent people get hurt.
His DOS2 wiki was pretty crap half the time but his greatest sin was the “builds” he posted. The subreddit is flooded with posts from people who have been misled by the godawful information and advice listed on them, assuming it’s even relevant at all. It taught so many people bad habits on how to play the game
Meh.. Their website is reqlly helpful when I need info. I use it quite actively for Elden Ring, Remnant and now Baldur's Gate 3 and that's reallu all I care about
Really wish the Twitch part wasn't brought up. Fextralife wikis just suck, their Divinity Original Sin 2 one barely functions for anything past surface level "what is this item" searches. Most wikis aren't updated (Dark Souls 2's wiki is still entirely inaccurate since SotFS) and the only actual useful resource on the page is comments.
I’ve found their wiki’s to be very hit or miss. The dark souls ones I’ve felt are good but a lot of the ones for other games feel incomplete or inconclusive with the info they provide. I have found much better wiki’s that exist that can be harder to find cuz f extra usually is the first result. It feels like they don’t have a large enough team to make in depth wiki’s for every game but still try to and the results can be frustrating for a reader. The whole embedding thing is something I never really thought about in a critical way until now but, this is also just how business is now, you game the system till you can’t. Honesty dies in the face of money. Nothing you can do to change how that is, just a sad part of living. Ah well.
@@duck_t4039can’t comment on the divinity wiki, but you are 100% correct on Ds2. some posts do clarify differences between the original ds2 and sotfs, but it’s typically a very small tag in the corner of a comment and not concurrent across the wiki.
Fextra was the first creator I turn to for Elden Ring build guides and BG3 build guides. Next to them was RageGamingVideos and WolfheartFPS for BG3 alone.
I realized how terrible Fextralife was when Divinity Original Sin 2 fully released. Their walkthrough for Act 1 was full of inaccuracies, misspellings, grammatical issues--just, everything seemed like it was written by someone who didn't speak or write English as their first language. So I went in, fixed the issues for the walkthrough up through to the point of getting to Fort Joy, and tabled the rest of it for the next morning. Come next morning, the wiki is backed up to its original state by the author of the article.
Fextra just pisses me off because they have a near monopoly on search results but refuse to update pages, and won't let any mods update pages. The only game they semi regularly updated pages for was elden ring, and I don't think they even do that anymore. For a site that advertises a paid subscription, that annoys me. If I'm looking for elder scrolls online info, fextra shows up above the UES wiki, even tho the UES wiki is far more accurate with updated links/maps.
Also Fextralife wiki is terrible and full of mistakes, and never gets updated. Their builds and videos are usually the most casual and basic builds you can ever see in a videogame (all of them Remnant 2, BG3, D4, ER, DS...) Their build videos for BG3 are literally going to cover only the first levels and the first act items in fact. It used to be a great wiki regarding dark souls and souls like content once, but as time went one they just became greedy, which made their overall quality decrease.
i never knew fextralife until i saw/heard them regurgitate the talking points of anita sarkesian of all people. instantly died in my head and avoided them like the plague
I never understood why Fextra had as many viewers as they had it never made any since considering the chat is almost always dead and Fextra themselves being one of the most boring streamers to stream. Now it all makes sense.
@@Odyssey636 That's not view botting, that's just an embedded stream. View botting would be setting up virtual machines and with separate browsers to boost the number of viewers artificially. In this case, they literally do have as many viewers as it says they have, the viewers are just watching it via their website rather than directly on twitch. Scummy? Probably. "View botting"? Nah. If that's view botting then twitch can easily just remove the ability to embed streams, and there's fuck all they can do about it.
So I was suspected something, I follow Fextralife because of Diablo 4, and they stop updating anything about Diablo 4 when seasons 1 come out. I'm looking for seasons 1 builds but there's none. Yeah that is when people hate Diablo 4 very much because of nerf and etc etc. Suddenly BG3 came out, they immediately shift to that game and let Diablo 4 guide dead. Yeah they probably search popularity because more people watch = more money they get
And to make matters worse, their wikis suck. Tons of bad information or no information at all, and what is good is most likely copy/pasted from other sources. Then their build guides are typically garbage or just basic shit you can find anywhere else, including the recommended builds that a particular game gives you.
can you give me an example for incomplete wikis? genuinely curious because I've been using their wiki's for Divinity, Pathfinder, Elden Ring,LostArk back when I thought the game was still good, and BG3 now. The only incomplete wiki I can think of is BG3, but I doubt any wiki site will have BG3 completed within the next month
@@ValkynShadeGoogle anything about BG3 (Map locations, NPCs, weapons, lore, etc) and click on a Fextralife wiki link that pops up on top of the search results. You'll most likely arrive at a wiki page that contains little to no information about the topic you're searching. Almost as if the page is still under construction, yet it pops up on top of the search results.
@@ValkynShade pathfinder wiki is horondious, just dataminded copy paste. no single explanation how quest actually go, puzzles how to solve or the weapons listed where you can get them. his pillars of eternity guides were alot beter though
When d4 launched i was in chat and mentioned playing a lightning poison werewolf druid and they said "oh yeah thats one of my favorite builds" like they knew what they were talking about (game was like 4 days old no way they tried it yet). Two days later they released a guide lol. Stolen idea maybe?
I don't know what's going on there. But that's the Wiki that lists drops from Vagrants (extremely rare enemies that can spawn anywhere) on every location page for Dark Souls, and you gotta be immensely stupid to do that.
Fextralife articles tend to be dogwater anyway. "[Character Name] is a character who appears in [Game Title]. Additional info: ???" Also, their Twitch channel is embedded in the sidebar that's probably getting them even more numbers.
well, i learn a lot from this wiki, i dont care about the twitch viewers, i just want my baldurs gate 3 question answered quickly and the wiki serves properly
it serves "decently" at most, just check the comments under the page first, most of the time fextralife publishes wrong info and wrong numbers bc they don't give a shit about being correct.
Fextralife has been doing this shady thing for years. They're infamous in the Souls community and unfortunately their wiki is the one we get to use, even if it's always full of misinformation.
I just watched one of there videos today. never really watched them on twitch but i have always found there content on RU-vid to be pretty good. I would be interested to learn more about this.
i have noticed fextralife stream pop up if i ever clicked on one of his d4 pages. no sound. its tiny. i didn't realize that is how he was getting his viewers. makes sense.
I had no idea we were supposed to hate fextralife. I found their elden ring build videos and wiki pretty good, I'm surprised to hear about this and it's unfortunate considering they seemed legit.
Just because asmon says something doesn't mean you have to agree with it and you definitely don't have to follow the crowd. Take the info and draw your own conclusions. Also, two things can be true at the same time. Some of their wikis are useful but they can also be doing scummy shit on the side.
@@ValkynShade their wiki is shit too, it has the most barebones of information so for most people its still fine, but so are the other wikis you could use that dont embed their twitch and slow your browser down
Fextralife needs to get kicked out of the space, most 'wiki's they make are filled with bad info (and some good ofc), lets say mostly incomplete info that can send u down the wrong path. They get on a new game really quickly, print as much info as possible (flawed and incomplete) and then just leave it like that. There is so much that could be updated by now on bg3.
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‘As I Please’ ~George Orwell “SOMEWHERE or other-I think it is in the preface to Saint Joan-Bernard Shaw remarks that we are more gullible and superstitious today than we were in the Middle Ages, and as an example of modern credulity he cites the widespread belief that the earth is round. The average man, says Shaw, can advance not a single reason for thinking that the earth is round. He merely swallows this theory because there is something about it that appeals to the twentieth-century mentality. Now, Shaw is exaggerating, but there is something in what he says, and the question is worth following up, for the sake of the light it throws on modern knowledge. Just why do we believe that the earth is round? I am not speaking of the few thousand astronomers, geographers and so forth who could give ocular proof, or have a theoretical knowledge of the proof, but of the ordinary newspaper-reading citizen, such as you or me. As for the Flat Earth theory, I believe I could refute it. If you stand by the seashore on a clear day, you can see the masts and funnels of invisible ships passing along the horizons. This phenomenon can only be explained by assuming that the earth’s surface is curved. But it does not follow that the earth is spherical. Imagine another theory called the Oval Earth theory, which claims that the earth is shaped like an egg. What can I say against it? Against the Oval Earth man, the first card I can play is the analogy of the sun and moon. The Oval Earth man promptly answers that I don’t know, by my own observation, that those bodies are spherical. I only know that they are round, and they may perfectly well be flat discs. I have no answer to that one. Besides, he goes on, what reason have I for thinking that the earth must be the same shape as the sun and moon? I can’t answer that one either. My second card is the earth’s shadow: when cast on the moon during eclipses, it appears to be the shadow of a round object. But how do I know, demands the Oval Earth man, that eclipses of the moon are caused by the shadow of the earth? The answer is that I don’t know, but have taken this piece of information blindly from newspaper articles and science booklets. Defeated in the minor exchanges, I now play my queen of trumps: the opinion of the experts. The Astronomer Royal, who ought to know, tells me that the earth is round. The Oval Earth man covers the queen with his king. Have I tested the Astronomer Royal’s statement, and would I even know a way of testing it? Here I bring out my ace. Yes, I do know one test. The astronomers can foretell eclipses, and this suggests that their opinions about the solar system are pretty sound. I am therefore justified in accepting their say-so about the shape of the earth. If the Oval Earth man answers-what I believe is true-that the ancient Egyptians, who thought the sun goes round the earth, could also predict eclipses, then bang goes my ace. I have only one card left: navigation. People can sail ships round the world, and reach the places they aim at, by calculations which assume that the earth is spherical. I believe that finishes the Oval Earth man, though even then he may possibly have some kind of counter. It will be seen that my reasons for thinking that the earth is round are rather precarious ones. Yet this is an exceptionally elementary piece of information. On most other questions I should have to fall back on the expert much earlier, and would be less able to test his pronouncements. And much the greater part of our knowledge is at this level. It does not rest on reasoning or on experiment, but on authority. And how can it be otherwise, when the range of knowledge is so vast that the expert himself is an ignoramous as soon as he strays away from his own speciality? Most people, if asked to prove that the earth is round, would not even bother to produce the rather weak arguments I have outlined above. They would start off by saying that ’everyone knows’ the earth to be round, and if pressed further, would become angry. In a way Shaw is right. This is a credulous age, and the burden of knowledge which we now have to carry is partly responsible.”
Their wiki sucks. The community wiki for bg3 is much better. The only wiki they made that was somewhat decent was the Elden Ring one. But even that has completely out of date and useless information that needs to be updated/removed. The thing is they don't care. They've already moved onto the next game and the next crappy wiki. It's all for the clicks and ad revenue. They don't actually care about the community or the games.
Yeah fextralife is really lazy. When they started doing monster hunter content they usually had trash information about a monster weak points. They usually would only have one table to show all viable weakpoints. The thing is ... Monster weakpoints change depending on the fight (enraged or things like Rajang's rage arms or Glavenus's fire throat). New players are going to assume that you have to hit same spot multiple fights but that isn't going to help you. Especially if you're trying for a DB build. Sites like kiranico or the mh wiki do a better job at showing you this.
The wiki is so shit too. They don’t give a fuck about having actually comprehensive information. They just want to make sure they’ve got the right words that you’ll search for it and click
Wait, Fex was v-botting? Well that is bad. I used their guides often but the popups were being blocked. So, anyone who went to their wikis, it opened an instance of the stream which inflated their views? Do I understand that right?
@@angelsenvy2282 I don't know about blocking scripts, but I just use a general blocker and never saw any popup for streams or anything. Just looked like a wiki to be honest. I'm gonna have to see if there is a difference with it off.
Well, looks like you all are right. I disabled and opened it. Top left of the page has a LARGE box that follows you. Has an "offline" splash page for the stream. But it counts me as a viewer. So random people are essentially being forced into a viewer number without them knowing, yeah I am going to look into how to fully block that from happening (out of spite) or just using a different guide hub.
