@@Khedaar anything can exist if you want, but in 5th edition, the best weapons players could typically come across would be +3. It has to do with the bounded accuracy system, the game balance is supposed to insure that everything can be hit, although nothing can be so strong as to hit every time. So in the base game of 5th edition (unless I'm mistaken) it only goes to +3
I still think Blood deserves A tier because of how strong it is on act 2 and early act 3, yes it starts to fall off, but it still is a strong weapon up to half of act 3
If you use it for a radiant orb light cleric it doesn't fall off. Sure the damage isn't amazing, but giving your whole party an extra 10 AC is amazing.
I know the game isn't hard, but its currently being held by a shield paladin, with items focused on healing. Heavy armor, high AC, high constitution So far, that paladin hasn't gone down. And if it does, no it didnt. But if ANYONE ELSE goes down, that paladin gonna save them. Blood is awesome
@@levilandes1719 I don't understand what you're describing. I went and read about light cleric on the wiki and I can't find anything about boosting AC.
5:25 Blood of Lathander's timing is perfect. You get it immediately before act 2, where you're fighting nothing BUT fiends and undead, making it's blinding passive so overpowered.
I really think you have seriously under appreciated the so called twin blades from Orion and the crit build you can make with them. I have my standard crit down to 14, but can go lower with temp crit effects. It is great for a dualwielder, but absolutely insane on an archer using arrows of many targets or volley shots. It’s pretty much the same argument you made for your S choices.
I love that build for monks. Use Ki points to make a regular action unarmed attack and then more ki points to fist of furry. I can get 8 chances to crit at 14.
A shame they never included even a single legendary long sword. Idk, it just seems weird they included 2 maces, 2 great swords, 3 polearms, a rapier, a staff, a short sword, and a dagger but no longsword. Just saying, Viconia's Walking Fortress would look a lot better on my Paladin if there was a badass glowing sword he could use instead of a bloody trident. Don't get me wrong, I love harnessing my inner Brick Tamland every time I throw it but damn it, I love swords! lol
I think Duelist’s Prerogative should be higher because of how busted it is for Warlocks (or other hybrid casters). The ‘19 to crit’ isn’t just for the blade, it’s for all attacks. Combine it with Spell Sniper and all your Erdrich Blasts, Scorching Rays, etc will be critting on 18. Plus the extra reaction lets you spam counterspells, or any of the Tadpole reactions.
you can lower that to 14... And double your chance with frenzy, use an item that allows a follow up attack on crit which means more crits per crit and to top it of combine this with sleep and divination... My cuurent record is 472 damage to raphael in one dual attack from rogue all buffs included...
@@thesussadin my BA is my unarmed which i had a ton of extra die modifiers on so yeah. Also I dont think you can duel wield with a rapier without the duelwielder feat
14:20 The AE damage actually makes Nyrula kind of awkward in throw builds since it's such a big AoE and can cause damage to allies and other bystanders which is not always what you want. If you're a Dwarf, Dwarven Thrower is better for throw builds and if you're an Eldritch Knight and can weapon bond, Shar's Spear of Evening is better.
I actually like it a lot because of the AoE. Its super helpful when you use things like black hole or in specific fights that spawn weak enemies in large numbers
@@yohanes2034 Does same damage as Nyrula without the AE damage issues. Makes it a lot less awkward plus you usually have advantage on your attacks with it since you're probably starting your attacks off with an arrow of darkness or a pre-combat darkness, causing enemies to be blinded.
Always Dwarven thrower and always barbarian. Frenzy throw is just awesome and Berseker/thief is the best combo. but with the Dwarvan thrower you actually do 8/3/1, adding 1 lvl of sorcecer for self-disguise (Shield is a bonus). There's a few reason why DT is better. first, it don't have the aoe. it's a lot less significant as throw don't do sneak attack any more. but still the aoe can be annoying. second, a lot of bosses (and the steel walker too) are "giant".
@@stefenleung For honor mode I think this is true since being able to knock enemies prone with a throw is really good. Abilites like haste and bloodlust aren't as good as well which kind of negates the EK's main advantage. For lower difficulties though, 12 levels into EK is just hard to beat for a throw build since triple attack is that good.
Silver sword is insane if you get it early simply because you get +3 enchantment. If you're lucky to cheese it early, you have two-hander slot covered up until Act 3.
2:20 Important note: That spear gives 1d6 damage on all attacks and not just attacks made with the spear itself. If you want to use it in a Dual Wielder build or a dual hand crossbows Sharpshooter build, your attacks made with the other weapons will get the extra damage dice and getting enemies obscured is pretty easy since you can always use an arrow of darkness.
@@stefenleung +1d6 damage on ALL ATTACKS is a really, really good bonus. That damage adds up quickly. Enemies don't actually have to be in darkness, they just have to be obscured. The weapon however can cast Darkness once per turn and you can also generate Darkness while attacking with Edge of Darkness ability or just use an arrow of darkness. Most enemies, when they are in darkness are blinded, giving you advantage on your attacks. Darkness is a really powerful spell on it's own, you really down need to build around it, it's just a good spell. Shar's spear is great because it's a build defining weapon all on it's own, you don't need build around it at all. It's versatile and can be used in Great Weapon Master builds and is the highest damage weapon you can use with Bhaalist armor. Similarly, you can take Dual Weilder feat and pair it with Bloodthirst in the primary hand. It also works in Sharpshooter builds where all of your attacks now get +1d6 damage dice and you can now use an arrow of darkness to gain advantage.
@@MistyKathrineDoes casting Darkness cost an action or a bonus action? If it is bonus then yea pretty good. But it is an action, I rather just attack twice.
@@Apsolon Casting darkness is an action though you can also use Edge of Darkness which is pretty much just whirlwind attack that generates darkness while attacking. There is also the option for arrow of darkness. The actual darkness spell can be used pre-combat though and also has many out of combat uses.
@@MistyKathrine The spear damage is pretty subpar to waste an action for Edge of Darkness. Arrow of Darkness is still an action. Cast it outside of combat work but they walk out then it just there now being useless. Plus I rather use a sneak attack than a darkness spell or anything that does damage really. It is really niche and require so many thing for it to work that I rather just use something else entirely. I have to agree with the ranking. Like sure, I could waste two turn setting up the darkness and then do damage or I can just cast Fireball twice or attack with my melee attacks 4 times or 6 times depending on class. For most encounter, killing them quickly is better. Unless you know that gonna be a long fight so setting up ahead is worth it. I can only think of the Raphael fight since he tanky enough to make use of the spear for several turn but even then. Or the Viconia fight where enemies are casting darkness for you.
Nyrula is the best legendary in the game. I said what I said. It can carry the entire team as the only legendary weapon used in tactician, wiping out 5 enemies in a single turn in act 3. Amazing weapon.
Undervaluing Bloodthirst. One simple stab and now everyone's piercing damage is doubled. Its why Bhaalist Armor is so insane, and Throwers and Archers do ludicrous damage in Act 3. Granted you do need to kill Orin, but you can always go for her first in the Act3 boss rush. Fair with Lathander at B. Its amazing throughout Act2, then falls off super hard in Act 3. There are a handful of situations it can shine again, but you're no longer dealing with 90% of your encounters being undead anymore.
@@andybanan1992 It's still incredible in act3, all the way to the end, just not on a melee character. If you put it on a support that's never gonna be attacking with their weapon anyway then that autorevive will be very handy. Also, blinding fiends is very nice for many areas in the game.
@@jojomaster7675 yes its good, but there are just better options available in act 3 imho. The only time i think the revive can come in handy is on honor mode, maybe. Anything less and you wont rewlly need that self revive if you have a decently good party setup.
@@Mark-uh3un id argue act 2 is the hardest, 1 the easiest, and 3 the mid tier. But i think that maybe depend on your experience and knowledge of the game. I might have a little skewed view on the matter as i have 30+ playthroughs now. So act 1 i have probably done 50+ times, so i know exacrly wich order to complete everything without much resistance. Also, im not saying blood is bad. It is a fantastic weapon, and having access to sunbeam early on is AMAZING. It just kinda struggles to be efficient in the later part od act 2 and falls off quickly in act 3 if you know where to pick up some improvements.
Blood of lathander is goated but not for damage at all, so this tier list is fine from a damage perspective. I use blood of lathander on shadowheart as a life cleric when I build her for powerful healing. I’ll almost never even swing her weapon, so having it for the light aura and the instant revive once per long rest is perfect.
BoL should definitely be higher. The free death ward bounce and bonus sunbeam are amazing on a frontline caster like a war cleric. I usually put it on S.Heart with a 2/10 pally cleric light/reverb build, pop guardians, and dive her into the nearest group. By round two most everything is already debuffed into oblivion, so it's just a matter of finding the biggest baddy to drop my smite nuke on and letting loose with LotFR. At that point the weapon damage really doesn't matter all that much any more as anything left standing is just gonna catch a sunbeam or a flying Karlach to the face.
@@garyco766 Yeah, I don't get why he said it's "incredibly niche" when La'zel, a gith warrior built for greatswords is literally the first companion you get.
Devotee’s mace is very good if you focus on using it as a support. If you stack all of the gear that provides benefits when healing you essentially have a party that heals a good chunk every turn and is buffed with blade ward constantly without having to use an action to heal every turn
Gontr Mael should be in A tier, imo. The Dead Shot is better for a crit-fishing build, which is what you'll want to be doing in the endgame. Bloodthirst should also be higher, since it can be dual wielded with Knife of the Undermountain King for -2 to crit.
The big gimmick for gontr meal is that it functions as a stat stick of sorts with the ability to haste on any build that wouldn't normally allow it. I agree that it's not as good as the deadshot as a bow, but it's primary purpose isn't to be a bow.
The big gimmick for gontr meal is that it functions as a stat stick of sorts with the ability to haste on any build that wouldn't normally allow it. I agree that it's not as good as the deadshot as a bow, but it's primary purpose isn't to be a bow.
Using a max-dexterity, min-strength Gith warlock, you can use pact of the blade to make the gith greatsword scale with spellcasting ability instead of strength. A good build for Lae'zel if you actually want to use the greatsword but dont want her to be a fighter. Also, gith warlock as a build by itself is still quite good; the medium armour + utility spells round out the build quite nicely, plus Devil's Sight fixes the githyanki weakness of not having darkvision. Maybe you guys could do a video on this?
Sleeping hard on the devotee's mace here. Combined with the typical healing gear setup, you have ten turns of giving everybody in your party resistance to ALL physical damage, and also gives your entire party bless without concentrating. It's borderline S tier, and is far and away the best weapon for a healer in the game. Blood of lethander is garbage by comparison, even when comparing their power relative to the acts in which they're obtained.
Disguise self as a gith, equip sword and long rest. If you keep sword equipped you will always retain the buff like you are gith. You can use the disguise helm if you bought the collectors edition and take it off, effect still works. A scroll of disguise self will work too, disguise as gith, equip blade or any other race stuff, long rest it's still there.
I think the whole gear/weapon part of this game is pretty bad. A lot of the gear is so niche. By the time your character starts to get fun to play with the games pretty much over. Also the abilities for certain classes are so damn boring. You have the same couple of abilities all 12 levels of rogue. They couldn’t add an additional attack mechanic? Nope you just get a hp boost every level. Almost every legendary is in act 3 as well.
I would say that the Devotee mace deserves B tier for one reason: Healing Incense. Healing Incense is incredibly powerful on a healer or in a build that uses healing. Take Shadowheart, for example: Give her the gloves that say whenever she heals someone, they get Blade Ward, and the ring that gives Bless. That's really good for all characters. Other than that, though? The mace is weak, so no higher than B.
I think Selune Spear is meant to be the "weaker outcome" for Character's story progression. More comparison to not ascending Astarion, not killing Karlac for Wyll, or not receiving Silver Sword for Lea'zel. I feel like the "legendary" aspect of the weapon is kinda just for flavor.
this may be 5 months late but no way is Blood of Lathander a B tier, This is the weapon used on the strongest cleric build in the game, and it's ability to heal when you would go down is crazy.
Nyrulna is actually not as awesome as it sounds, as the aoe hits EVERYONE, not just enemies. This makes it easy to break concentration on your own guys, hit your melee damage dealers or neutral npcs. It's great when there are just enemies in a certain area, but you will probably need to keep the returning pike on hand just in case
Bloodthirst is one of the best just for it's ability to reduce resistanses to piercing on targets. Yes Bhaalist armor can do similar thing, but it requires to go through with Unholy assassin quest and also will not pierce resistances, just give vulnerability on non-resistant opponents. Bloodthirst on the other hand can pierce resistanse to piercing to just normal value, drammatically inreasing bow damage of your companions. Basically just stick it on the throwing barb, and use one attack just to bonk enemy with it once and then go to town throwing it (or Nyrulna, tridents are piercing damage too) and shooting. Enemies will melt.
Is it not common knowledge you can just Disguise Self to become a Gith and use the Sword at full power regardless of ur chosen race at the start of the game ?!
I never use bloodthirst with CM, i find bloodthirst is nice as a crit reducer alongside the undermountain knife. I run them both on my smite champion paladin
How tf is the githyanki sword c tier and niche when you can break the game getting it in act one and stick it on a stock laezel not building for it whatsoever
Silver sword of the astral plane is insanely OP for lae’zel early game. Got it from Voss, didn’t change it and still haven’t in act 3. She’s my best party member easily.
I found dual wielding devotee maces to be really good on my life cleric, you essentially make sure that people cannot stay down for long thanks to two uses of the incense aura, and using the offhand weapon attack means you can keep your main action to cast spells.
Missed a lot of important information. Putting either spear as the lowest ranked is a very rookie error. They are abused in some of the strongest optimised endgame builds to exist, such as 10/2 swords bard and 6/4/2 TB throw with EK hireling. Or even as just a generic 2-h weapon for unoptimised GWM users. E.g. swords bard uses shar's spear to counteract saving throw disadvantage from risky ring, so concentration on spells like hold person or hypnotic pattern are not broken by a gust of light wind. It also uses its special attack, edge of darkness, as an extra, more powerful, slashing flourish to AoE smite enemies, and its extra damage die proc damage riders. If you're not using risky ring, blinding enemies grants you automatic advantage on attacks. And its piercing, making your attacks deal double damage in conjunction with piercing vulnerability, which is extremely easy to inflict. Absolutely ridiculous item. However, for 'click attack, swing sword, do damage' low-maintenance builds, or in a complete vacuum only comparing the weapon itself (without considering bhaalist armour, damage riders, blinded condition, saving throw advantage, etc.) , then yeah, giantslayer is equal to or slightly better, I guess. Not to say giantslayer is bad or anything BTW, that weapon is also cracked and an easy S tier. For TB throw, Nyrulna is only better than these if you don't have a melee character in your party (you throw at least 4 times each turn at absolute minimum - I hope you like teamkilling your melees and breaking your own concentration spells with 12d4 thunder damage every turn - double that if hasted/bloodlust/action surge). If this isn't a concern though, then nyrulna's AoE is bonkers, fair enough. Devotee mace is dual wielded with phalar aluve and is BiS offhand for support cleric to proc free blessward from hellrider gloves/reviving hands and whispering promise. It does not have an opportunity cost associated with it as you can divine intervention with a hireling, or different (non-cleric) character followed by a respec. Or summon it with hope and disarm her during the House of Hope fight (kill her afterwards for a +4 shield as well, though that is pretty psychotic, I don't recommend). Bloodthirst is wielded by optimised throw builds in main hand to inflict free vulnerability to piercing (you throw from your offhand) if bhaalist armour is out of range. Gontr mael S tier? It's a glorified stat-stick for when your dps isn't hasted (which they should be 90% of the time from your caster). Wasting an entire action during combat to cast celestial haste is a damage loss. Think of it like this, if your caster hastes you instead, you DOUBLE your damage that turn compared to using gontr mael. For TB monk, sorlock, sorcadin, swords bard, etc., who are doing hundreds of damage per action, this is a steep steep opportunity cost that isn't worth it. Lethargy should not be a concern, an even decently optimised caster with a couple of con save buffs is rarely going to break concentration, assuming you play them properly (keep them at the back, with beefy dudes in between them and the bad guys, obviously). Also, for actual ranged damage in an archer build, titanstring bow is leagues better due to procing damage rider interactions recursively, or dead shot as a super easy way to balance out the -5 from sharpshooter (if you don't like using elixirs). Sure I could see it at B tier for the free haste if your caster is busy blasting, or is dead, or concentrating on something else (which they shouldn't be x3). Maybe, maybe, A, if you rolled nat 20 for persuasion, but most certainly not S. Other things as well, but I don't want to go on and on. Maybe I misunderstood your video, and your intended audience is a lot less optimising-heavy, or you are more of a casual player yourself (which is perfectly, 100% ok), but I do have to harshly disagree with many of the things you said, considering the video title has the descriptors of "best MOST POWERFUL" and "highest damage" in it. (BTW, where's Orphic hammer? IMO, C tier - unshackling strike is a waste when freedom of movement can be cast outside of combat, but saving throw advantage keeps it from dropping to D tier) If you've gotten this far, thanks for the effort in making the video and also for taking the time to read what I've written.
7:00 I disagree, I think Bloodthirst is the better of the two weapons and generally is the only one of the two that I use. Why ? It pairs really REALLY well with the shortsword sold in the Githyanki creche as both of them reduce the number needed to crit by one and it stacks, combined with the Dark justiciar Helmet and an Elixir I got it to where I could crit with a 16 or above, and I'm sure that I could go even higher than that if I try. This goes extra hard on a Dread Ambusher Assassin build (as those are the ones that want to dual wield a dagger anyway) especially with the ring you purchase from Araj Oblodra that gives you Advantage on all attacks as this doubles your chances of rolling high (reminder that the bonuses apply also to your ranged attacks). This is a really insane build and is way more versatile than using both of Orin's weapons
To be fair, the strongest dual wield weapons would be Deva mace. 1d6 bludge + Strength modifier Extra damage D8 Radiant 4d8 (4~32) In order to get this weapon, use a cleric to summon planar ally deva. Then you open the deva character gear window, then press zoom in and then zoom out. For a split second you can glimpse the mace in the weapon slot. So you move your mouse cursor fast as you zoom out, you left click on it and drag it. Once you drag the mace you press tab and drag it into a player character inventory. Grtz you now got the strongest mace in the game.
Its insane to me that you rated bloodthirst and crimson mischief that low. Get the armor that grants piercing weakness aura, use the bloodthirst in offhand for the free true strikes. And have a dual- hand crossbow player in the back. Congrats, you now have two characters that exploit piercing weakness. And depending on the build can easily dish out 200+++ dmg per turn, consistently without any gimic. Just churning out damage relentlessly.
I think blood deserves A teir the once a long rest revive is great the whole game and getting it so early with a 6th level spell and the fiend and undead effect coming in before act 2 where you are going up against those types of enemies is great. The damage drop is not important considering if you give it to a cleric they are healing and supporting. Plus combining it with other act 1 early act 2 items and 1 act 3 item the cleric is almost unkillable with the rest of the party getting insane heals and buffs
Nylruna and Bonespike boots is broken, my Karlach is a Diablo Leap Barbarian, if you pair it with a Wildheart build and put Elk Heart you can pretty much always have an enemy at melee range. BROKEN
do ppl really believe Blood Thirst meant to be dual wielding with Crimson Mischief just bc Orin dropped the pair??? Orin is the weakest boss of Act 3 for a reason. Blood Thirst is meant to be dual wielding with Knife of the Undermountain King while equipping: Sarevok's Horned Helmet, The Dead Shot, Killer's Sweetheart These final equipment for: Champion fighter or any spell caster took spell sniper feat in Act 3.
I think the devotees mace is at least B tier because you can buy them for 300 gold a piece (technically free because you can steal the gold back from Withers) with the existence of hirelings. Just respec them to cleric, spam through the levels, and boom. For this reason alone I think they are B tier because having 1 of them is admittedly kind of meh…but 2+? For so little effort? 1 bonus action with no spell slot requirement = a minimum of 100 health in healing. There isn’t a single item in the game that gives you the same value for the amount of effort required.
Bloodthirst and CM have been severely underrated here, though I think I’d really only push for Bloodthirst to go up a tier, but both are certainly better than you’ve claimed them to be. Also, it should be mentioned that just because a weapon requires a niche to be effective should’ve discount its ranking if it can not only make said niche viable, but dominantly strong. The Duelist’s Prerogative enables a really obnoxious counterspell slinging build with 5 levels in Warlock and 7 in any other caster of your choice and near the very end of the game that can absolutely be encounter deciding.
Using the dualist prerogative as a monk/rouge is really good. You get the extra attack through monk. You can cast haste on yourself to get 4 attacks. Then if you play as a their you get two bonus actions. So you can attack again with the sword then knock them prone. I’ve taken out enemies in a single turn
About Abjuration wizard - they advertise this build a lot, but how does it hold up agains high hp bosses like Ansur or Raphael? Or the final boss with no opportunity attacks? My expirience with BG3, that yhe best working tactic is a burst damage dealer, rather then a defensive option. Played Tactician and Honour mode.
I don't see it in the comments here, but the Silver Sword of the Astral Flame requiring a Gith'yanki works if you shapeshift into a Gith'yanki also. You don't have to actually be a Gith for it to work, meaning technically anyone who wants to use it as a weapon can use it to it's full effect by just using the shapeshift ability.
Bezerker Barbarian + 1 level in fighter for action surge plus tavern brawler makes in my opinion one of the best throwing builds in the game with nyrulna
Duelists perogative is great but either I have a bug or you have to have an empty second hand, because I can't seem to activate that bonus action ability
I'd swap the blood of lathander and the devotee's mace, because if you have any proper healing build your healing aura will probably be healing your allies for like 5-10 HP and also healing the healer for a large amount over 10 rounds whereas the blood of Lathander resurrects you once per long rest with no health leaving you liable to being killed, and the spell it gives you is only 6th level because you can normally cast it 10 times while concentrating on it, but instead you can only cast it once sure 6d6 radiant damage once is nice early but extra damage dice weapons are significantly better in my opinion as my spellcasters usually have their own spells to cast.
I totally forgot staff of crones got bumped from a legendary. Soon as he went from D to C I was confused like "aren't you missing something?" OH. Yea. 😂
If we talk about Duelists Prerogative in Honour mode - Paladin can hit 3 times with Balduran's Giantslyer with haste, while 4 times with Prerogative, so this means more smites with more crit range, which pushes crit paladin much further.
Spoilers: For the Divine Weapon, you can actually get for free in the House of Hope using well Hope. You can make her summon the mase then kill her to pick it up
Shar's spear of evening as C tier is mind-blowing to me! It gives you immunity to being blind, and can cast darkness per turn without a spell slot. So good.
90% of tier lists I disagree with... generally because people say "I'm the expert" "I know what is the best" Being truthful about this is just an opinion helps sell your list. Also I agree... although I would start at A tier, and increase to SSSS ... just because the worst of these is generally still better than the next lower tier. Although on my Warlock there is an other rapier I prefer, because I went more Caster.
