Bambu Lab High Flow Hotend Upgrade (E3D ObXidian)

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In this video we take a look at E3D's new HF hotend made specifically for the Bambu Lab P and X series of printers. This uses a special coating to prevent buildup and uses a special nozzle insert that great increases the hotends max output. We will go over what the install process is like and what test results where.
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@twanheijkoop6753 8 месяцев назад

The temp error you got is a known issue with the clone hotends that accepts normal nozzles, the stock 48w heater is just not enough at higer flowrates. Youll want to get the heater of the rapido 2.0, chcb-ot or any other 60w+ ceramic flat heater.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

Good to know. That makes a lot of sense and explains it. The filament is just outrunning that heater. So when it maxes it the drop off is fast.

@Trevellian 8 месяцев назад

Yet another reason that E3D needs to offer a fully assembled version. @@ModBotArmy

@twanheijkoop6753 8 месяцев назад

@@ModBotArmysince the heaters can draw less max power at higher temps it'll be even more obvious when testing filaments that need to be printed near the hotends max temp. There's a reason most high flow hotends come with 80 or 100w cartridges by default.

@Dave_the_Dave 8 месяцев назад

I've run into this issue even with the stock hotend when I try to print at high flow rate and high temperature. The filament cools the hotend too fast.

@xixipli 8 месяцев назад

Can you get those heaters with p1s connectors? Or is it a rewiring job?

@hot_wheelz 8 месяцев назад

As someone who 90% of the time runs multi day prints, this is worth every penny. The only problem is that at least so far, since E3D first listed them, it seems as though the only people to get their hands in these has been those lucky enough to have E3D send them to them free in exchange for advertising ..... I hope that they start selling these to the public soon. I'll be among the day 1 sales.

@Chrissi33004 4 месяца назад

Some resellers here in Germany have gotten shipments this week. I’ve snacked one up for myself today. Maybe worth looking now since it’s seems like they are shipped out now (the reseller claims to have 20+ in stock)

@Manimal747 8 месяцев назад

It'd be nice if they added a HF option as a standard selection in Bambu Studio/Orca, seeing as how its an official partnership. I'm sure it'd be conservative settings that most would want to calibrate regardless, but for those that just want this without wanting to tinker that'd be a nice option.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

100% agree with this.

@technicallyreal 8 месяцев назад

When they said it was an officially supported product, this is exactly what I thought they meant by that. Hope they do it, otherwise I don't care that it's officially supported at all!

@Neamands 8 месяцев назад

I got an 0.4 E3D hotend for my X1C in december (0.6 was already sold out then...) and my experience is more or less the same as yours. Could push PLA(+) easily up to 30 mm³/s, but also noticed that the heater had problems holding the temp going above that flow when using higher-temp filaments like PCTG/ASA. During installation I just flipped the retaining clip so the "cutout" was on the same side as the thermistor hole. Since there is one of these little 'springs' on each side of the retaining clip the heater got pushed onto the hotend just as well. So I don't see the need of including a different retaining clip. Asides that I didn't have to adjust the temps. Temp tower was basically the same with the stock and E3D hotend. But I re-ran the PA calibration and the values slightly differed from the stock hotend.

@Trevellian 8 месяцев назад

Agree. E3D really needs to sell a fully assembled version.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, it’s not very enjoyable and the stock thermistor seems like it could be fairly easily damaged during the transfer if not careful.

@Nepoxification 8 месяцев назад

I will buy a 0.4 and 0.6 hotend as soon as they offer the assembled version. I used DIY printers for 7 years, sold / gave them all away and went for the X1 Carbon because i don't have the time nor the nerves to tinker around anymore. I want a working tool and to be honest, i don't even want to assemble this hotend by hand. I am willing to pay a premium to get this done by someone else.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

@@Nepoxification I don’t think you are alone with that.

@andreaudio 8 месяцев назад

@@Nepoxification one more in the "I don't have the time nor the nerves to tinker around anymore" boat...

@Stubones999 8 месяцев назад

I would gladly buy one assembled but probably won't do it myself.

@Sazhnikov 8 месяцев назад

flip the clip? 🤨

@TheGlitchyCorgi 8 месяцев назад

What I'd like to see is a comparison between the stock nozzle and the E3D HF nozzles of a benchy or other model that is prone to having the finish change between matte and glossy when the machine gets limited by the minimum layer print time vs it printing at max speed.

@mikeselectricstuff 8 месяцев назад

Would have been more useful to have shown some real-world speed differences printing a few models of different sizes

@vinny142 8 месяцев назад

So how about doing a test with a real print? This is like saying a car is faster because it does the 1/4mile quicker. I know you mention this at the end but just show it so you can give a bit more of a useful opinion than just "what I tested is an edge case, a real world print will be nothing like this, you'll have to test that yourself."

@ecooley257 8 месяцев назад

Looks like it'd be a lot easier to slip that retention clip if you rotated it around the hotend 180 degrees. That way the notch (5:05) would be at the top and the little bumps would be at the bottom allowing room for the thermistor wires.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

Yeah I think that is the better way of doing it. Less likely to accidentally damage the thermistor or it’s wires.

@randomdude1rd1 8 месяцев назад

that's how they come stock, those notches are there for a reason :)

@Elektrotechniker 8 месяцев назад

Exactly my thoughts! I was actually quite surprised why he put it on „backwards“. And judging by the few macro shots of the bare hotend the heater block had no detents or similar features visible…?

@donald1792 7 месяцев назад

that's what I was thinking, this guy must not be naturally mechanically inclined, how could you miss that

@BeefIngot 8 месяцев назад

The only reason I wont buy one is it isnt in stock and isnt a fully assembled unit. I used to be a klipper head and now I dont want to lift a finger past basic maintenance. I feel like they're kinda missing the point of Bambulab printers by making it a pain to install.

@playmaka2007 8 месяцев назад

Incidentally 32mm3/s is the exact same max flowrate I got with PLA on my X1C using the aliexpress cht aftermarket nozzles.

@SeanTaffert 8 месяцев назад

This all seems very nice, but a lot of work and cost for an incomplete (and limited) solution that doesn't really give you a huge boost. Why didn't they just produce a complete package with heater included?

@alrightbiggulpshuh 7 месяцев назад

My guess is the nozzle temp error is due in part to the location of the thermistor relative to the ceramic heater. If there's an appreciable heat gradient across the heating block (say, if you're doing flow rate tests at the upper limit of the ceramic heater's wattage), then the stock thermistor is going to be measuring the high end of that gradient (sitting just under the heater and before the filament channel), while the E3d thermistor is going to be measuring a lower part of that gradient (sitting far from the heater and with the filament channel between the two acting as a heat sink).

@igiannakas 8 месяцев назад

Install the clip flipped upside down. That way the channel for the thermistor is aligned with it.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

There is a notch for the heater. It applies some force to it so that it stays in place. That was the primary reason I didn’t flip it.

@igiannakas 8 месяцев назад

@@ModBotArmy yeap I’ve seen it too on mine. It shouldnt matter as the clamping force is the same whichever way you install it as the heater is “overhanging” the nozzle. Certainly better than stripping the thermistor of its insulation if you scratch it against the clip

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

@@igiannakas yeah your probably right. The heater is much less fragile and with the clip on and silicon sock the heater doesn’t really have anywhere to go. I’m more curious why they moved the hole 🤷‍♂️

@igiannakas 8 месяцев назад

@@ModBotArmyI’m guessing here but thinking that having it further away from the heater block gives better temp readings 🤷🏻‍♂️

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

@@igiannakas interesting. Definitely could be it. I’m sure there has to be a reasoning. That’s as good as any theory I have come up with.

@elpipetuanis 8 месяцев назад

Would love to see this up against the Aliexpress nozzles.

@SneakyJoeRu 6 месяцев назад

Just installed one after having Chinese clone clogging multiple times with pla+ i never had issues with. Hopes are high

@GregRosolowski 7 месяцев назад

Is it possible to cold pull to clean the nozzle?

@avejst 8 месяцев назад

Interesting video as always 👍 Nice to see that the big firms is working together to move the max speed for the printers 👍😀

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

Thanks Asger! I love seeing the collaboration 😊

@djispro4272 8 месяцев назад

Great stuff! I see that my Ender 5 S1 spider hotend also reaches about 21mm/s cubed with the warping edges like the original Bambu, would it be worth it to upgrade to a 1.30 USD clone CHT nozzle (when buying three at once) from Aliexpress?

@twanheijkoop6753 8 месяцев назад

For how cheap they are definitely, especially if you can get a hardened steel variant. Since they dont lose performance like a normal hardened steel nozzle would.

@6moon.s 8 месяцев назад

this is a pretty subjective way of determining max vol flow. you should do cnc kitchen poop tests and get a 0.000g capable scale and figure it out that way. anything under 5% underextrusion is unacceptable and weighing poops is a pretty objective way of determining that.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

I’ve done both. As much as I like the poop method the orca slicer method is likely what most will be using. I also intentionally leaned on the conservative side in this case.

@testpilotmafia862 7 месяцев назад

Im waiting for a Diamond Back nozzle for the Bambu eco-system. Its sounds like there a few months off.

@cnc-maker 8 месяцев назад

I have a bigger question, based on the geometry. Can it really retract? The geometry should be preventing retraction, or at the very least, limiting it. If it is able to retract at all, what is the limit of the retraction? There is no chance of doing a cold pull with this, and an extremely small chance of clearing a clog, so how long will you truly be able to use it? If it was only $5, it would be expensive to replace often, but not nearly as much as $75(?). It will be nice to see if someone looks into this solely from a feasibility perspective.

@Hilmi12 8 месяцев назад

I wonder if they are working on one for creality k1 max

@UncleJessy 8 месяцев назад

ohhh thanks for this video man! Have been debating on grabbing some of these

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

Dude with your helmet printing and just large models in general you should definitely be able to crank things up! 😊

@TheZolon 8 месяцев назад

So want that hotend for mine, but sold out.

@bcarroll03 8 месяцев назад

This video had a sizeable impact on my descion to spend a sizeable amount of dolla-bucks to purchase this hot end that could give me a sizeable increase in print speed without a sizeable decrease in print quality.

@saxplayingcompnerd 8 месяцев назад

Chinese CHT nozzles from aliexpress flow 40mm^3/s no problem

@florianmaslofski 8 месяцев назад

would be great for the A1 as well, just anything to stop the PETG sticking.

@AdrienRochereau 8 месяцев назад

would be nice to see the flow with the .6

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

Maybe I’ll play around with it on a live stream to see what we can reach.

@Omniverse0 8 месяцев назад

@@ModBotArmy Gotta run some layer calibration tests first. See which height at your intended speed is most consistent. Should be some easy files out there on one of the printable sites you can use.

@daimhinm 8 месяцев назад

Would the clip fit upside down? Looks like it would fit over the thermistor wire if you flipped it 180 degrees from original installation orientation.

@igiannakas 8 месяцев назад

Exactly correct! I’ve installed mine flipped and it works perfectly.

@DangeeksC 7 месяцев назад

The E3D stuff is back in stock for those looking for the upgrade

@lauretiu 8 месяцев назад

yeah....... no! the price is ridiculous. if it would be idk 40-40$ yeah but 80$? no thank you !

@Raven-Creations 8 месяцев назад

If you're running a print farm and can get even 10% more jobs printed in the same time, that cost is peanuts. Don't judge on the basis that they made it for you.

@lauretiu 8 месяцев назад

@Raven-Creations I'm not that entitled to think they taught I'm a Qatar prince and made it specifically for me. I guess you have a valid point. Best of luck with the commercial sale and die-hard fans.

@PawelKraszewski 7 дней назад

Update: They do sell preassembled units now, for P1 and X1 at +30GBP.

@teabagNBG 8 месяцев назад

what is it about the BIQU Panda Hotend?

@saxplayingcompnerd 8 месяцев назад

"Some of the heat is leaving the heater with the filament" COME ON. DUH!!!! THATS WHY IT MELTS.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

It doesn’t typically drop hotend temps though. Often extruder skips steps first. That was the point of the comment 👍

@tvaught125 8 месяцев назад

Too bad these void warranties

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

This is in collaboration with Bambu lab. It wouldn’t void a warranty.

@CCL13CN 8 месяцев назад

The clip has to be installed with the little "dent" covers the port of the thermistor. The clip and the ceramic heater does not care about which direction it goes. The only factor of direction is for the thermistor, and it should be adjusted accordingly.

@platin2148 8 месяцев назад

Hmm i would rather see revo there than another entire hotend that i have ti remove.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

BTT released a version that uses Revo 😊

@jpenna1976 3 месяца назад

How much tinkering with print settings would this require? Worried getting into same wormhole as things went with E3 Pro. I'm not a engineer and would prefer to print things I need with limited setting changes. I have had X1C about three weeks now and all prints have been better than with my old E3 with very small changes at Bambu Studio. Mostly printing PLA.

@jeffreydutra 8 месяцев назад

I would be concerned about nozzle clogs with fiber reinforced filament. I would love to see tests with that given the CHT style has narrow channels within the nozzle I would assume it could clog easy. If its not good with fiber then it seems counter intuitive to have used obsidian in the first place. Thoughts?

@igiannakas 8 месяцев назад

The channels are larger than the nozzle orifice so if your nozzle can take it so will the cht insert

@twanheijkoop6753 8 месяцев назад

I've had no problems even with the hardened steel clone Vulcano cht's which have the worst internal geometry by far. Even with those Ive not managed to get a clog when using abs-gf or any CF filament. It's more prevalent on Bowden printers with high retracts (1mm+) than on direct drive where you shouldn't really need more than 0.2-0.4mm when using the right PA.

@PLr1c3r 8 месяцев назад

A quick cold pull after using any reinforced/infused material filaments is an easy way to circumvent that. I typically perform cold pulls after swapping from any materials that don't play well together.

@RabidBadger_ 8 месяцев назад

A small spudger or spatula would be a far better tool for applying thermal paste.

@AndrewAHayes 8 месяцев назад

someone will design one to be printed if they haven already

@martonlerant5672 7 месяцев назад

32mm³/s is nice. Its just not "premium". Number twice as high are possible with CHT volcano sized nozzles that can be simply dropped into "garbage" creality K1 series ..

@NicolasSCII 8 месяцев назад

Couldn't you rotate the clip by 180°?

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

I thought about that but one side of the clip has a portion that sticks in a bit to apply pressure to the heating element keeping it in place. You potentially could still rotate it like you said but it feels like a compromise still.

@NicolasSCII 8 месяцев назад

Oh yeah, in that case, a better clip would be nice! Or at least instructions in the box telling you with orientation you should use. Because if you had doubt many will have

@MakeKasprzak Месяц назад

The ABS problem probably means you need a beefier heatsink cooling fan (or to crank the speed). I seem to recall reading that ABS is more thermally conductive than PLA, meaning more heat can reach the heatsink through the plastic itself.

@3DThird 8 месяцев назад

Honestly, this is waaaaay overpriced, I got one from Aliexpress for like 20% of E3D's cost and it works flawlessly and it is easier to change to different nozzle sizes.

@JCon_22 6 месяцев назад

So I was skeptical about the flow. I was very wrong it can print anything at 166% flow rate no problem for exception of petg. I primarily print TPU and that is the reason I bought the hot end it can print 95 a ninja at 200 mm a second. That is unheard of TPU. The only downside that I found is that for many filaments you cannot print the standard temperatures at 100%. You always have to do above the 100% speed standard settings on bambu studio.

@tombo7719 2 месяца назад

Have you seen that you need to adjust the flow or retractions? I am getting some strange gaps in the first layer, I don't remember getting prior to the swap..

@dan-nutu 3 месяца назад

2:10 Just wondering - how do you remove the filament after printing through a hotend like that? Won't the bifurcated molten filament solidify into 2 strings at an angle that would block the extraction since they cannot both fit in at the same time?

@tired5925 8 месяцев назад

Isnt the stock bambu supposed to push 32mm3/s ?

@Todestelzer 5 месяцев назад

Could be interesting for a print farm but for not so much. My printer isnt running 24/7. Not sure it’s worth upgrading the hotend.

@MinesweepTube 8 месяцев назад

How well does the coating prevent PETG in particular from sticking? Multicolor PETG prints are a nightmare because of blobbing.

@unicyclingistheshit 8 месяцев назад

informative video and straight to the point with no bullshit, a rare thing on RU-vid nowadays. Kudos man, you've got a new sub

@anderslagerqvist2642 20 дней назад

Can't you simply put the clip back up-side-down?

@germanigortsev1361 7 месяцев назад

37 mm3 with standart nozzle on pla without any issue. omg you flip and it reason why you termistor wire stuck

@AndrewAHayes 8 месяцев назад

I would like to see a comparison between this and the ALi Express CHT nozzles

@ericfletcher8454 7 месяцев назад

Ummmmm. Just put the clip on "Upside down". Seriously folks its not that hard

@kylelongstaff 8 месяцев назад

bruh just change the hotend a couple more times. I've done it 20 times now and it takes me under 2 mins to swap nozzles. no struggle for me. but i guess there are easier hotends to do nozzle swap on.

@IncredibleCisco 8 месяцев назад

since the temp sensor is opposite site you have to flip the spring clamp also. at 1:46 you put that wrong on it. if you push it like this on the temp wires could be cutted.

@8bits955 8 месяцев назад

The heater wasn't able to keep up with the speed need a heater that is capable of maintain the temp at higher speed. Not bambus fault as was never designed to run at such speed but E3D should offer at least in the future higher wattage heaters as the stock one limits what speed u can print it at and a retune PID need to be done.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

Interesting. Since they are working with Bambu directly I would think they would be able to collaborate on a higher heater for their hotends. Then perhaps a setting that applies the needed pid values for that.

@8bits955 8 месяцев назад

@@ModBotArmy There is a good chance it is in the work but I think due to the footprint of the heater size it very hard to actually design a higher wattage heater pad that is reliable and durable. But I am fairly sure it will be in the works. This is why on UHF hotends heaters are often can go up to 120w if needed, I personally have seen 20+ degree temperature drops even when going stuipd speed like 80. The main counter without upgrading the heating pad capability is to crank the temperature up however it will effect print quality at the slower speed section

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

@@8bits955 that’s a great point. Due to the form factor and unique geometry of the heating element there is only so much space. I still think it is possible. Bigger heater, bigger clip, and bigger silicon sock should be enough as long as the toolhead board can actually supply the needed power output.

@djispro4272 8 месяцев назад

I would worry that the connectors might not be up to speed with higher wattages... 100 watts through a tiny little JST/Bambu connector?@@ModBotArmy

@igiannakas 8 месяцев назад

The heater is adequate for the new max flow rate - even with higher wattage you won’t be able to go much higher than 30-32 mm3/sec with a cht nozzle so the heater is barely adequate to hit that speed. Would it be nice to have a larger heater? Sure! Is it needed? Not really

@acedias2576 7 месяцев назад

For anyone looking for printed instructions, E3D does have instructions on the product page if you scroll down and click on the Documentation tab. It looks like they do intend you to turn the clip around to account for the thermistor being on the on the other side, but aside from that these instructions are pretty spot on.

@anatolyivanov890 5 месяцев назад

Dude, flip the clip upside down and it'll have the gap for thermistor at correct side.

@kurtv9375 5 месяцев назад

$140.00 AUD yeah not sure if the price is worth it not even a full kit

@Festivejelly 8 месяцев назад

The big problem here is that you cannot pid tune the new hotend. If you could the temp drop wouldnt be an issue id imagine.

@Killa_Prints 8 месяцев назад

Any idea when they'll refresh the stock?

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

I’ll try to get an email sent off today.

@ashvanes484 8 месяцев назад

So, if I am printing a lot of large blocky PETG items this might be worthwhile to me? Is there any info on the benefits specifically for PETG especially with that coating?

@PLr1c3r 8 месяцев назад

PETG is globby and sticky so obviously the non stick material will prevent boogers and contaminants in your prints especially when using clear or transparent filaments.

@AtomXploD 8 месяцев назад

I discovered that the temperature problem it's because of the positioning of the thermistor cables and the silicone socket, when there's a gap that's not covering the metal base (close to the cables) it will give an error, because there will be a difference in the readings from the tip of the nozzle (where's the sensor) and the "cold" area that's not covering the socket. Once you put everything in the "original" position, it will go smoothly

@trykozmaksym 23 дня назад

Going to check this now... It used to give the error at ~45 flow, then I was messing with the head, potentially dislocating the termistor... now it errors out at 35 :(

@davidcappello 8 месяцев назад

Nice video thank you!! When they have a "complete" assembled one with the fan and everything - I'd jump in.

@GSJester 8 месяцев назад

Now -- compare them to the BIQU Panda Revo hotend.......

@ChazmillsADLT 8 месяцев назад

Good to see they are getting better and collaborating with other companies. I personally have about 8 hot ends of various sizes so will not be buying any soon!

@markburton5292 4 месяца назад

I'm curious if that helps with the strength of parts when printing fast.

@Dhaydon75 8 месяцев назад

Great video. I was suprised it jad such alarge improvement over the stock one.

@jonnysimps 4 месяца назад

should i get a hf revo or this because they both have better flow than the normal bambu hotend

@dudedud238 6 месяцев назад

For the clip, why not just turn it around...

@seanr7297 6 месяцев назад

Right?! i was screaming

@MiladGolshan 6 месяцев назад

You are expecting too much from him :D hold your horses :D

@Dhaydon75 8 месяцев назад

It would also be nice to see it compared to one of those CHT clone nozzles.

@saxplayingcompnerd 8 месяцев назад

3rd party ali express CHTs flow 40mm^3/s all day.

@obie224 8 месяцев назад

CNC kitchen has already done it. the cht clone nozzles are 40-50mm sec no problem. I don't know why this product exists.

@obie224 8 месяцев назад

CNC kitchen has already done it. the cht clone nozzles are 40-50mm sec no problem. I don't know why this product exists.

@Bogaloo1232 4 месяца назад

What about the A1? It would be available for it in the future?

@Bogaloo1232 4 месяца назад

What about the A1? It would be available for it in the future?

@hicamajig 8 месяцев назад

Would love to see a direct head to head with the third party v2.0 hotend with their matching CHT

@jasonjennings6686 8 месяцев назад

Me too! I have a few of the third party 2.0 on the way to test myself .

@hot_wheelz 8 месяцев назад

The other interesting option is the Big Tree Tech Panda hotend that is designed to fit the P1 and X1 and takes E3D nozzles.

@jasonjennings6686 8 месяцев назад

@@hot_wheelz cool product but waayyyy too expensive

@hot_wheelz 8 месяцев назад

@@jasonjennings6686 totally depends on their market, if your 3d printer makes money for you then time is literally money, if you can increase flow rate by 60%, and if you do a lot or large, complex multi day prints, a nozzle like this can increase weekly output by 33% people like myself, literally cannot afford not to get these upgrades and we will buy them in multiples because we can afford to have downtime either.

@Factory400 8 месяцев назад

Ahhhhhh.....modding the printer. I cannot go back to that rabbit hole.

@glennnewell9494 6 месяцев назад

What about PAHT-CF?

@JCon_22 6 месяцев назад

Not sure let me know if it works for you. It worked for the 3dxtech nylon6 GF30 on my x1c and e.

@MaverickNgMVRKNG 8 месяцев назад

did you try rotate and reverse the clip? i think if you rotate/reverse the clip it will be fit and not clamping so much force on the thermistor, just like the stock

@SneakyJoeRu 6 месяцев назад

I just did it this way. It does work but fit seems to not be as good as with original orientation

@Spirited282 8 месяцев назад

I would still be interesting in trying one. Have you also ever tested the new pla from various companies that claim they are higher flow? I purchased the polymaker sonic pla but have not yet tried.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

I haven’t tried all of them. The only one I actually flow tested was hyper pla. I didn’t see any real difference ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NWFBSuPAHko.htmlsi=tbkxdHw7iawYg5wp

@Spirited282 8 месяцев назад

@@ModBotArmy Shoot i must have missed that video. Thanks for posting, will check it out

@Beakerzor 8 месяцев назад

neat! we are going to need breakthroughs like this if we are going to start having 1 meter bed sizes

@alpha_pixel_ 8 месяцев назад

Why we still don't see induction heating with coils.

@AnthraxVX 3 месяца назад

doesnt it just make more sense that the heater cant keep up with that volume? lol

@RaySchrantz 8 месяцев назад

These are impossible to get. Constantly sold out

@vikingcat794 7 месяцев назад

Can you cover the panda revo from biqu?

@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 8 месяцев назад

AliExpress 17$ hotend gets 34 mm³s and this one 3 times the price and almost no performance boost. So 20$ for the part 40$ for the name.

@Raven-Creations 8 месяцев назад

Other independent testers have found they were 60% faster, and also faster than the ones on AliExpress. I reckon this installation was janky. Thermal paste is supposed to be applied very thinly. If there's too much, it's not effective, so the heater isn't heating the hot end properly and can't support the higher flow. If you own a print farm, any increase in throughput will pay for itself in no time. E3D are about producing and selling quality, reliable products. They don't really care what someone printing in their bedroom is prepared to pay because you are not their market and they don't owe you anything.

@jbrownson 8 месяцев назад

very informative, thanks for the video

@ForOdin 8 месяцев назад

Now if only someone would come up with something like this for the K1 and Ender 3 V3 KE (they use the same hotend)

@Rgierg 8 месяцев назад

Trianglelab CHCB-OT Hotend is available.

@ForOdin 8 месяцев назад

@@Rgierg I’ve seen that one on AliExpress, but I had never heard of that company before

@Rgierg 8 месяцев назад

@@ForOdin I have one but not yet installed. On fb groups there are 2 ways to upgrade. Microswiss or triangle labs. It seems that triangle labs gets better flowrate and you caan use mk8 nozzles which are cheap. Ruby ones or with diamond coating. Speciall nozzles for k1 style are more expensive.

@ForOdin 8 месяцев назад

@@Rgierg hmmm, maybe I should order one….

@zackj997 2 месяца назад

Can't you flip that clip over?

@VolkanTaninmis 8 месяцев назад

I will wait for the aliexpress response for this one. 😅

@CJS10mm 8 месяцев назад

Cant you just flip the clip 180 top to bottom?

@ChromakeyDreamcoat 8 месяцев назад

Saw the same results on my e3d nozzle. I bought a Rapido 2. heater (80w) and will see how this stacks up. Just waiting on delivery.

@dvomang 8 месяцев назад

Which one did you get? The one I see on Ali looks like the wire comes out at a 90°. The Bambu one comes out the end. Do you think that will work?

@ChromakeyDreamcoat 8 месяцев назад

@@dvomang I think the Rapido 2 heater might not work, another user on the bambu discord tried and burned their toolhead board. So DONT DO THIS.

@Mr.P539 Месяц назад

Not needed, plus the price is gold :)

@no-brakes 3 месяца назад

Would be nice to see the 0.6 results as well!

@iopfarmer 8 месяцев назад

short and interesting, perfect

@JoshMurrah 8 месяцев назад

This was a very helpful review, thank you! I think E3D messed up on that thermistor placement. The clip can't be rotated 180 degrees, does that then affect the heater clearance? I will look into getting one or two of these for sure. And yeah, the highest flow temp errors are just that, you're outrunning the heater.

@ModBotArmy 8 месяцев назад

It sounds like you can rotate the clip but it still isn’t designed to be rotated. There is a notch for the heater one side. That being said rotating is still probably better than risking damage to the thermistor leads.

@PLr1c3r 8 месяцев назад

There's usually reasons behind design changes that we aren't aware of like optimal temperature control or relocation by design limitations from the larger chamber. I think E3D should make a complete hotend assembly that comes with a proper retaining clip and improved heater for this design to fully take advantage of their improved flow.

@mmouse648 Месяц назад

Clip - E3D says to rotate it in the docs. They moved the thermistor for a reason. These guys are nitpicking engineers. The location was chosen to better sense the BLOCK temp. Bambu actually missed on this by placing it next to the heater, one of the 1st things I noticed when my X1C arrived right after the Kickstarter. E3D fixed a minor design error. BTW - don't forget that this was a collaboration WITH Bambu Labs. If they thought it was wrong it would have never reach final production.