BAN PLACED ON A PIGEON FORGE TN ROD RUN TRADITION |TN Dept. of Transportation v City of Pigeon Forge 

Pigeon Forge is just a big tourist trap, the area has lost its beauty to over commercialization.

It’s my personal opinion they are wanting to push the Rod Run out completely. It’s the younger people coming up there with the jacked up diesel trucks causing the problems. It’s just like with the gun issue, don’t punish the criminal take guns from everyone. Instead of doing something about the big diesel trucks, they’ll just ruin it for everyone.

Rod Run is not the issue...it's the truck show same weekend. That's where they should direct their attention

The state just can't help itself. I'm glad the state has nothing better to do. How about addressing the crime in Memphis and Nashville instead of worrying about someone selling a car. Smdh

I do believe the younger demographic is the reason why the crime has increased as I know someone who goes every year and they go just as much for the drinking and partying as they do for the rods. It seems like people are seeing the srping Rod Ron as a spring break destination to party rather than an annual tradition for hot rod enthusiasts.

The problem that needs addressing is the young thug truck show that takes over and ends up bass blasting and people fighting, tanked up on all that free liquor they give away . The liquor alone is a huge part of the problem. It devolved into a bunch of rdnk thugs lookin for fights.

We plan our vacation to avoid this área during special event times. The Rod Run is a great event. The lawlessness should not be tolerated . Hoodlums need to stay away.

All those complaining about it, there is a simple solution. DON’T GO DURING THAT TIME! You are very capable of looking up what’s going on at any time in the area on numerous websites. I plan my vacation around what I want and don’t want to see.

We have been attending the rod runs for years and it has been the last few years that we have noticed a certain age group with squatted trucks that tend to take over on Friday and Sat nights that has been an issue. I know some events ban these vehicles from there events. I personally would think it would help.perhaps they could have a different weekend for that group....and go back a few years ago the way the rod run was....also I feel like since the pandemic it has been crazy busy😊 thanks for sharing

We have been going to the Rod Runs for years. This is ridiculous. No different than a Property owners placing a political sign in their yard or a business sign, having a garage sale, etc. People who rent Hotel Rooms are just like people who rent homes. The homes are theirs. Why should any agreement override such. I personally think it's terrible. I feel for the Officers who might have to deal with this as well. You guys do a good job on this !! The only losers are the Cities and the State from lost revenue. We hope this can continue as always

As a resident of the area I can say that a large number of people dread both the spring and fall shows. The place I work will loose 50% of normal business because people can’t get in a find a place to park. Getting to work and back home is just ridiculous. As someone else has said it’s the truck crowd that have caused most of the problems. I try to 8:16 stay home as much as possible to avoid the mess.

I took my family once. I will never go again. It just got outta control. Drugs an alcoholic beverages are not what I wanted my family to see. So now I just don't go or buy anymore. I am and my wife n children are as well , Christians.

The old Rod and Custom show in Lincoln, Ne was killed by the end of the magazine. Then memorial event held every year started running into issues in Lincoln Nebraska due to younger kids thinking it was ok for their shitbox to be raced around pulling sideshow BS. A few years back, a kid in a sho Taurus blasted an intersection at 75-85mph, hit a car turning into the intersection. He killed the two girls in that car, and his sho Taurus was sent into a crowd watching the cars cruising the Main Street for people cruising lawfully. Hurt another 15 people and killed a kid. It’s stupidity like that that is killing the automotive culture.

Apparently, TDOT and city management don't understand how much tourism money these car shows generate. These "rod runs" have been ongoing since I was a young man during the 1970s, and in recent years there have been Jeep weekends. The businesses are not advertising vehicles for sale, thus there is no violation of the lease agreement. TDOT is attempting to violate the 1st Amendment by prohibiting car owners from placing For Sale signs in their vehicles. Whether these signs are only visible when the vehicles are driving on the roads or when parked, the owner of a vehicle has the right to display such a notice.

It took me almost 2 hours to get from Popeyes to the Christmas Place. Thank God I didn’t have an emergency situation. That’s the biggest problem. “0” traffic control.

The problem isnt the rod run its the younger generation. Also Gatlinburg, pigeon Forge, and Sevierville to me might be to blame. The reason i say that is I work in town and to me if for just that weekend only, if they stopped the samples at all distilleries and wineries it would cut back some. They did a study on the amount of alcohol that you can sample is way over the legal limit if your driving or in public

Drove down to the show last year from northern Indiana. Won’t be going back. Didn’t mind the cars for sale so much as the ones for sale for $2500. Just junk parked and taking up space for the nicer cars. Just my take on it.

This is an example of POLITIANS interfearing with tax paying citizens and sticking their noses into trying control the good people of Tennessee.

Rumor has it that they are going to start raising prices for hotels and restaurants to deter so many people from coming. I know the locals don't care for it, no matter how much money it brings in.

Don’t advertise. Put your phone number on windshield and details on dash. Soon people will equate a phone no. With a car for sale.

We have been there during the rod run, and there's absolutely no parking at the places of business, which sucks,im.a car guy and absolutely enjoy seeing all the vehicle's hopefully they can get a place large enough for all the people that want to show off there vehicle's

We have been to the Rod shows since 1992, missed only 1 bc we had twins! I have always loved it there w/ or w/ o the Rod Run! I just wish it could go back to the time when it was more about having nice, CLEAN fun while enjoying the cars! It's not as much now bc of the bead stuff; I wish something could be done about that! I don't believe most ppl like that part of it! I could bring my sons there b4 & not worry, but now it is way out of control! I love it there, just wish that filthy part would go back where it came from!

Im a parcel courier in Knoxville, and my station caters services to the kodak and seveir county areas, including pigeon forge and Gatlinburg. This route came open once and it was offered to me, but i flat out said NO, and need i mention why? Tourists (thanks to G.P.S.) have discovered all the back roads to get around places making it an even BIGGER headache, so extra money was by FARRRRRR an incentive to put up with this mess. I dont even go up there when theres NOT a car show. Just WAYYYYY too much traffic and commercialism, but wait. The casinos are soon coming. Been saying it for years.

well there is the KEY WORD "For Sale" so as long as you don't put a for sale sign on it then you will still be able to show and park your car!!! ... as long as they still do rod run then it won't effect me lol !!! thanks for sharing!

Never trust the person that steps in front of you and says, "I am from your GOVERNMENT AND I'M HERE TO HELP YOU!" At that point, RUN!!

I used to like the rod run. 35 years ago. It's total crap now. Pigeon Forge is a sad sad materialistic circus of overly entitled consumer freaks. (Change my mind) 😐

We took our kids during the day and the people are so friendly, they allow you to look and we make sure the kids do not touch the cars. As far as for sale signs, Every Rod Run has many cars for sale but they ask so much, they would be crazy not to take the money and run. I don't go to buy, but I go to see the cars and get good ideas for my own projects. Every time government gets involved with anything profitable, or fun, it becomes less of both.

So the rods sitting for sale along the parkway are causing the problems?? Its the kids that come out at night thats the problem. A lot of buying and selling and trading goes on during these shows. Never been to the LeConte center, mostly because I can see way more cars for free along the parkway. Been coming to this show for over 40 years when it used to be in Gatlinburg. Dont blame the authorities for wanting to crack down on the problems but go to where the problems are. Those kids at night arent the ones spending money for rooms and meals. Cant figure out why they are targeting the ones that arent causing the problems. Be a shame to see this end.

There should be no reason people cant buy/sell/trade. Its public commerce. Theres no harm done in that. However, the issue at hand is the idiots with the squatted trucks, and diesels rolling coal whenever they get a chance for no reason. These same class of people are the reason for your heightened crime rate as well.

Sales tax, if the vehicles are sold through private sale the state doesn't get their cut. Especially vehicles coming from out of state and going out of state to new owners.

I think the excuse is not selling cars but retailers. This area has grown to the point they don't need the Rod Run to fill rooms. What's the difference in a patron of a motel with a for sale sign on his car and a car with a sign going down the road?

It's become a nuisance to travel on the parkway during these events. The traffic is gridlock. I say keep it at the Leconte Center.

Guarantee if the government or city we’re making money off those sales, this would be a none issue.

We honeymooned in TN during a similar event. Didnt know they did such a thing. It was awesome to see all the cars lining the road and was a for sure highlight. Allkw the run, put in strong rules of behavior, and vigorously enforce those rules so the normal, peaceful people can enjoy these awesome experiences

If you live and work here and have to drive to and from work or do any driving with your job you would quickly understand why we can't stand the rod run.

It was a horrible existence living and working during these events taking upwards of 3 hours or longer just to get to work on time when I only live 6 miles from work and on top of that I'm not making one extra cent for sitting in all that traffic burning all that extra gas just so a bunch of people can come look at the exact same cars several times a year every year. For these reasons I moved from pigeon forge and never looked back.

Been going to the rod runs since early 70's in Gatlinburg first, and now Pigeon Forge, and some fans get a little rowdy, but not all, the first one in Gatlinburg we went to, we drove to Pigeon Forge in 74 I believe, it was only a 4 lane highway, not even a place to use the bathroom, these events have made it grow like that, so now they don't want this business, that little show at leconte center, I wouldn't even go there for that, and the motels wouldn't be full, and they couldn't charge 300 plus for one night, so there you go, the truth hurts.

Just looked it up when you go to the distilleries the cups are the communion cups which hold anywhere from .5 ounce to .75. Ole Smokey alone is about 4-5 ounces sampled at it by the time you leave. Then you have Sugarland, Tennessee Shine, and all the wine tasting so by the time you are done you shouldn't even be out. Gatlinburg alone probably has 13 places you can sample alcohol. This does not include pigeon forge at the old mill or the island.

The first Rod Run was in 1979 in Gatlinburg. It was mostly quite with a few drunks. Highway patrol came out at midnight and said we're shutting it down. About that time state troopers started coming out of all the side streets and Yes it was shut down. I don't remember when it moved to Pigeon Forge but it was shortly thereafter. Oh to be young and not quite as stupid as back then but still have good time.

Sounds like a solution seeking a problem. They should focus on safety and let people enjoy themselves.

Thanks for the update, keep them coming.

I think we've seen a definite shift in the overall vibe of the rod run. I don't see this as government overreach but rather an attempt to maintain a sense of order and prevent the pigeon forge strip from becoming a used car lot with nightly parties with raucous crowds that would not otherwise visit if not for said parties and possible sales.

I live in a small city, just northwest of Chicago, and where I live, it is unlawful to place a FOR SALE sign in any vehicle that is parked on the streets, but not unlawful to place the same sign in any vehicle parked in a homeowner's driveway, or other property with the owner's permission. Do I like these restrictions??? NO, in fact I believe that they are nothing less than legalized invasion of property, and obviously, a revenue generator. As the owner of a vehicle, you do have an expected level of privacy in your vehicle, not as great a level as a homeowner, but it still does exist.I completely understand the issues with the crimes that often come along with events like this, Sturgis being one of the oldest and biggest events like this, is certainly no stranger to crime and other issues.

There is no harm in selling a car along 441. Leave those people alone. We had our honeymoon on the same week of the Rod Run and it was one of the best times of my life.

Same thing has happened in Myrtle Beach. The city hosts several motor vehicle events. Mustang week, Jeep week, muscle car week and several motorcycle events. ALL of which have grown in size and frequency. It's mostly controlled pretty good, but we have a few events that bring younger crowds and roudiness.

The worst is when the event line up with public school (elementary - high school) spring breaks. Families have limited spring vacation options and plan for the week children aren't in School. I don't think families Vaca here for the rod run and it doesn't highlight all that is great with the area. I'm all for Rod Run but I just think it needs to be better scheduled.

The Rod Runs have been THE event of our year, as we have always celebrated our wedding anniversary which falls in line with it every year the last 15 years. We could celebrate it anywhere but we choose to do it there for a number of reasons. We have never went to the center. We have always just enjoyed getting out walking and viewing the cars ourselves with the convenience to shop and eat along the way. I agree with a few of the other comments that its definitely changed over the years. The younger generation is definitely more noticeable. We've always enjoyed that swap meet atmosphere. We've enjoyed countless conversations with owners over the time and energy put into their classics. Weve enjoyed year after year seeing new classics and finding project cars we share interests in. The shift in that atmosphere, however it started, has went from that to more of a party feel after the sun goes down. Im not a huge fan of being challenged by kids my own kids ages to lift my shirt or being gropped while walking around by inebriated individuals my kids age. But i deal with it as it happens and move on. Id love more than anything to see it get back to what it was 20 years ago but there are alot of issues more pressing that needs addressed than the vehicles lining the patkway for sale. I know the locals have valid concerns and i totally understand. Im just not sure it would be beneficial for the event itself to be strictly confined to the LeConte Center. Alot of people wouldnt want to pay the price. Like us, they would be less pursuaded to attend there not having the ability to shop or have lunch or dinner in a sit down resteraunt. We enjoy the overall experience of shopping, seeing all the amazing classic cars, looking for a deal on a project car we have in mind, socializing with other enthusiasts however long we want to, and having the ability to be out walking the strip an entire day if we want to without having to break it down. I feel like its just part of the experience and has been since weve been going and would hate to see that end. There are solutions to accommodate everyone from the car sellers to the locals. It takes sitting down and brainstorming ideas to get to that, which doesnt seem to happen.

IF THE KEEP MESSING WITH FOLKS THEY WILL FIND ANOTHER LOCATION TO HAVE THERE EVENT

I have been to the RR for years. It is sad the younger crowd is messing it up for all of us.

The truth is, the small business owners, employees and other locals have grown to hate the event in recent years. They don't have to have it for revenue. The GB/PF area will still be packed those weeks even if Rod Run disappeared forever. The participants don't spend as much money and take up valuable parking space that could be used by customers wanting to actually spend money in their businesses. Employees at these businesses continually make it known that they get treated more poorly by customers during these two events than any other time of the year. Honestly, on a local scale, the only people that want it to stay are the major cooperations and the out of town people that own short term rentals (airbnb). Neither of which have to actually deal with anything going on down there personally.

Well done, Eric! Awesome job of reporting on the rod run. I do get frustrated trying to go up or down the strip with all the cars there ... BUT ... it's not about me! This is great for Smoky Mountain/Pigeon Forge tourism; brings lots of money to hotels/motels, restaurants and local businesses; and, it's just plain clean fun! Selling cars on the strip is no different than selling tickets to shows or anything else on the strip. Nothing wrong with what's going on ... let the Rod Run, RUN!!! Vrooom, Vrooom!!!

I dont believe the state has any jurisdiction when it comes to private property. It sounds like they are trying to take authority where they do not have any. All those businesses along the parkway are private and so is the parking lots.

My opinion based on info in this video. TDOT ( the state) is going to use the excuse of traffic safety and beaufication and such. The truth is probably more in line of missing out on tax revenue since these are person to person sales and not thru licensed dealers that would have to collect taxes.

I'm glad that somebody has addressed this issue in a public forum. As an area resident who has to travel to work and all the other normal things everyone else does these events are a nightmare for us. The whole area is gridlocked. It can take more than an hour to get from point A to B when normally might take fifteen minutes. Emergency responders can't get to calls. This has got out of control. I've said that a venue should be created to put ALL of these people away from the Parkway. LaConte Center just is not big enough. Rod Run has simply outgrown it years ago. I don't know where this place would be but I wish they would make it and enforce the laws about selling and loitering along the Parkway businesses. To me every single one of those selling cars and sitting watching people drive by are loiterers and furthermore if anyone is going to sell anything outside of LaConte in a public area they need to have a permit to do so. If I was City of Pigeon Forge it would cost a hefty amount to obtain that permit.

Love the rod run if u don't like it don't go.

I don’t know how you guys decide on where the main show gets parking or anything so I know I might not be much help. But with that said we have a huge car show every year in the fall in Gas City Indiana called the Ducktail Run. It brings in a few thousand cars every year and even more spectators to it. What they have is a year restriction to 1972 or older or vehicle must be highly modified to even be able to register to get into it. They have the show at the community park and it’s really nice. I think what they’re able to do with the year restriction is they eliminate most( but not all) the riffraff and trouble makers. Now I’ve seen a few fights break out after dark and is not perfect by no means and the local law enforcement do an excellent job of patrolling and getting a handle on situations. They also patrol outside of the park heavily to keep people under control. They don’t tolerate burnouts and definitely no doughnuts in parking lots. The day they allow the hellcat crowd in will be the last time I attend. I know not all of the bought car guys are all bad but I haven’t been to a open cruise in where I haven’t seen a hellcat, rt, srt , new Camaro, etc so starved for attention leaving sideways sometimes losing control all together and getting into altercations. When I think of a rod and custom show, I’m not thinking of anything with a warranty or blows black smoke that has gps and 24's on it. and they have a specific location in the park for swap meet and cars for sale.

Thanks for the update. No effect for our trip.

Great video man several great events are feeling the same pressures

It's the same as Big Bass Tournaments, they want the money but they don't want the fisherman.

About as bad as the ‘Jeep Invasion’ where Pigeon Forge is overwhelmed by the ‘Jeepsters’ and needs it’s own area instead of ruining a Smoky Mountain vacation for the rest of the vacationers!

Like always I am 70 years young love swap meets and car shows a few bad apples always draws attention, good /evil the people of the state and pigeon forge need to take a stand,big brother government wants to get all the dollars it can ,follow the money ,I live in Texas we have had a a few of these issues ,move the event,action talks along with the MONEY.thanks for sharing GOD bless.

It used to be that the we hotrodders would go and cruise the strip and people without hotrods would sit on the sidewalk to see the custom rides, now its gotten "so crowded" with teens driving 100 grand diesels (figure that out) that us hotrodders now sit and watch regular traffic ride by and every now and then a cool car will pass by; and do not get me started on the idiotic high prices hotels charge because its a "special event weekend", every weekend is now a special event in Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge, just another way they rip us another one.

Jesus Christ wants to be your personal Lord and Savior

I was there on vacation in the fall of 23, to my surprise the rod run was going, we had a great time looking at all the hot rods.

Its a tourist town...not a car lot .... some working people don't have the luxury of moving their vacation date to accommodate car nuts

Thanks for posting this it was helpful keep up the good work love your site .

i live in MINN. been down to fall rod run 3 times. The real problem is the diesel trucks after 10 pm till about 3am, I wont go back.

I was born and raised across the mountain in NC and can remember the old days when folks had fun there, but now it's a disgusting hassle to even go there any time of year. It took me three and a half hours to get across the Smokies a couple of summers back and it wasn't even rod run and that's only at most a 45 minute cruise. They've started requiring parking passes due to so many tourists illegally parking on the sides of roadways down the parkway that it's ruined the landscape in areas and sent flocks of people walking in dangerous curves to trails and the next "mountains are calling" selfie location. Then there's the tiny towns of Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge which I really used to love visiting, but no more. Helen, Georgia is the same way as well as towns like Franklin and Asheville. Locals such as myself are truly sick of all this and can't afford to move. It's sad how things have changed since social media makes our small towns look like the last Eden and the "move here invasion" that's ruined our beloved Appalachian Mountains where our heritage and landscape is dying. Then there's the fact that 99% of all outsiders look down on us and are very rude, so locals return the favor. My 7 generations local heritage and half Cherokee Appalachian pride will never die until I do.

All those yard sales don’t cause a crap ton of traffic. We go to the yard sales every year, yes there is traffic but not like rod run traffic. nor does it bring all the crowd that rod run does at night that you mentioned.

Good video ❤ I would imagine most of them. People are paying to park their cars. All the cars have insurance on them. So what difference does it matter? If they put a sign on it on somebody else's property

Never been and had it on my to do list however I will be removing it as it has become just another in our hobby to sooner or later get to many rules or just go away due to a few bad apples !!

It's a shame when people get stupid and ruin things for everyone. I looked up the event and it appears to be an indoor car show rather than a 'cruise' or 'run'? I've done enough of the indoor circuit, not a fan. Love to cruise in, park, hang out to check out the other rides then boogie. I see this video shows outdoor cruise parking . . . what's the deal on that? Where can I find details? Thanks!

Business owners I have spoken to say the rod runs actually hurts their business. They said the rod run folks do not spend as much as the regular tourists. I would imagine they are the ones that filed the complaint that got the State involved.

Im 68. Seems to me pigeon forge has had a rod run long before the leconte center was built. I never knew there was an official "rod run". Always as a kid thought people started coming some weekends to parade thru Gatlinburg and the spur to Pigeon Forge. My relatives hated the traffic but loved the tips they got those weekends.

Does the advertising restriction include commercial vehicles? UPS, Coca Cola, trucks?

We have been going to the spring and fall rod runs since 1995 . The men would go look at cars and the women would go to the outlet stores and we all get together for supper . Our money was welcomed then but not now 🤔

One of the main reasons why the state is cracking down on the sale of vehicles along 441 is that the majority of cars sold are sold to people outside the state, meaning that Tennessee loses a tremendous amount of money due to not collecting tax and registration fees on vehicle sales.

I'm a "Yankee" with a nice collector car. I don't travel below the Mason Dixon Line. There are simply too many shows, too many meets. If there is going to be problems with locals, count me out.

Nightmare. Triple the noise. Never been during Rod Run and never will.

I went with my parents a few times when I was a kid, 30 years or so ago, I was able to walk around all day and night by myself looking at cars, riding the go carts and of course getting a funnel cake. It's sad to see this event go to shit.

So does that make me a lawbreaker if I have a “for sale” sign on my vehicle when I come from my home and unwittingly drive thru Pigeon Forge???

We went last year and the worst part was the scooters, golf carts/SXS on the side walk, the clapped out over priced rides in the parking lots were not the issue for us. Currently we have marked off all PF shows from our list for the foreseeable future. The state should mind its own business and let the county decide what to do.

I got kicked out of PF late one night by a very "unfriendly" cop; had my travel trailer parked in the massive PF parking lot and was going to spend lots of $$$ the next day at Dollys gig there but-- packed it in and left, never to return...

It usually has to do with the cars running around with signed open titles. The seller there to flip it and has not given the state their share for their purchase by not titling it. Then it’s those same vehicles driving around the county and state roads illegally and uninsured because they are not registered and plated.

If TN doesn't want to be nice to hot rodders and 441 is important get a hold of Brad at Northeast GA swap meet he may do a "rod run" Clarkesville GA.

The State just wants tax money from the sale. Here in Georgia they call it curb stoning. A business is not allowed to let an individual sell a vehicle on heir business lot unless it is their vehicle. Its not really enforced, but several used car dealers had stickers made up and went around putting them on those cars which led to Police getting involved by the vehicle owner complaining about a sticker on their window. I agree with you, most don't even go put their car in the show, they just come to hang out on the strip. I don't see any issue and you are right. You ae paying overtime to off duty officers to come work the event just for this issue. It is all about the MONEY!

This came up years ago. People just started leaving room numbers or business cards in the dash. The way it was before cell phones.

So does that mean that you can’t drive your car on the road with a for sale sign on it? Would the same laws apply? Or is it just for parked cars?

This is why I STOPPED coming to that AREA COMPLETELY! We bought season passes and and visited that area 3-4 times a year EVERY YEAR!! I SAY PEOPLE NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND MOVE THE SHOW COMPLETELY OUT OF TENN!!!

The government is way too greedy and should let the people be left alone there is no harm in what the rod run does and places would stop getting profits from the rod run and the city would loose out on extra tax dollars going into the economy that helps the state

Damn GOVT just can't let ppl live FREE.

What’s the point? I don’t think the state has considered special events nor the spirit of this code/rule. Maybe they should consider selling permits for a couple of bucks to allow sales and use that money to support law enforcement with additional security. The annual Sturgis rally is a good example as far as the “lawlessness” issue you’re always going to have that problem when you jam thousands of people into a small area for a short time. Arrange for nearby municipalities and counties to provide additional law enforcement during the Run.

If We the People Paid for the Road how does tenn make a claim to it? Tenn is a piece of paper only.

For more leverage perhaps you should enlist the assistance of the business owners along that stretch of road to help negotiate with the lawmakers to get that restriction lifted.

Guess pigeon forge is crossed off my list plenty of better places to go

ive always been told anything is for sale for the right price. even without it being advertised.

People can still put for sale signs in cars that’s on the property of the motel . Anything next to the side walk is what the state controls unless they have made a new law that they control all of the property in the city limits

I used to go to both every year and there were always a few bad apples messing thigs up. The current down turn in society and lawless behavior is not the run itself but the kind of people that go there. I stopped going 10 years ago just because of the traffic and lawless behavior.

My son and I have been attending this rod run since he was about 3 years old. He will be 22 next rod run in April. WE LOVE IT! We leave our car at the motel and bike it. We had a tandem bike when he was smaller. Putting all the cars for sale in one area is nothing less than a money grab by tax collectors. You can’t stop it and the police aren’t going to enforce it. They are too busy with real crimes.

I'm sorry, but the ROAD is leased, not the parking lot off of it. The parking lot is private property. How can the state or even city even logically try to enforce this law?