My favorite scene in Part 4 "Replacements". A group of de Havilland Mosquito aircraft flying over. We were not sure which aircraft it was, we had several options: A-20 Havoc B-26 Marauder A-26 Invader
Prop on the right side of the aircraft with engine failure is also either not turning or missing altogether. Note that just as the camera is able to focus on the aircraft you can see props clearly on both sides of the preceding aircraft, but not the last one.
Much of Band of Brothers was filmed on the old de Havilland factory site. It makes sense that these were Mosquitos and their inclusion a nod from the programme makers.
It’s a great shame that parts of the actual factory weren’t listed buildings. How many people know that part of the factory still had a massive depression in the roof from when it was bombed by a ju88 during the Battle of Britain, the pilot was an ex de havilland apprentice
I'm going with a mosquito but the boys in the trench clearly think it's USAF of some variety, that's why they're staying in cover. “when the Germans fly over, the English duck. When the English fly over the Germans duck. And when the Americans fly over, everyone ducks"
These are Mosquitos. The short fuselage forward of the wing's leading edge eliminates both the B-26 and the A-20, which had bombardier's compartments. And before anyone says the Mosquito bomber had a glazed nose - it had a perspex nose cone and two small side windows, but it was only for observation by the navigator or W/Op before he returned to his seat beside and just behind the pilot. Also, the fuselage tapers too narrowly back towards the tail, and the wings are too tapered, for either a B-26 or A-20.
Market garden might have been a failure....but for my grandfather this operation was his way to get out of this war. He fought in the 9th SS Hohenstaufen and he and a few of his comrades surrendered to the Tommies.....they were tired of fighting a war that they were losing...I can't say how greatfull I am how good the English were to him during his time as a POW.
@@g_abe. they forcibly conscripted Hugo Stiglitz howd that go? People can fight back regardless of being conscripted sounds like an excuse to be a coward instead of fighting for yourself but idk 🤷🏼♂️ I think everyone’s a coward nowadays and would fight for the nazis look at how many people love wearing masks this is how it starts everyone’s blind compliance is the same at the Germans in 1940
@@ffrederickskitty214 "In 1940 I could at least fly as far as Glasgow in most of my aircraft, but not now! It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green and yellow with envy. The British, who can afford aluminium better than we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano factory over there is building, and they give it a speed which they have now increased yet again. What do you make of that? There is nothing the British do not have. They have the geniuses and we have the nincompoops. After the war is over I'm going to buy a British radio set - then at least I'll own something that has always worked. " Hermann Göring
0:17 I wonder if anyone noticed, but that plane is missing a propeller. Goes to show the infantrymen weren't the only ones having a difficult time battling the Germans.
both propellers are on the plane, one is just failing to work. I think if it were missing, it would be tilted to the left seeming as it would not have any power on the left side. (or the pilots would have to constantly fight to keep it straight up)
Guys, it’s not a mossie, marauder, havoc, PE 13, Me 110....it’s a bunch of pixels strung together to look like a plane by a graphic artist. They’re in the background, they add colour and movement adding to the dynamic of the series. If they based their drawing on a mossie, well they did an average job according to all the rivet counters. Still it was better than Private Ryan and the P51 tank busting with 50 cals at the end. ( ummmahhh, now you’re in trouble!) for single engined ground support it would have been Typhoons or perhaps Spitfires of the Tactical airforce all based on the ground in France and designed for fast response.
It is a Mossie, you can tell by the wing shape, the fuselage tapering back and the fact that Mossies used rockets for close air support to ground units.
Easy way to tell they are supposed to be Mosquito's is the flat tailplane........The Douglas A-20 Havoc has a dihedral tail, easy to sport when viewed from the rear, these a/c are flat when viewed from behind.....Add to that the A-20 have radials which does not sound like a Merlin like these do.......100% Mosquito's.....
Nice detail making them British planes. Market Garden was a British operation and most of the units involved were British. The 82nd and 101st were pretty much the only US units involved
I recently found out that the caretaker at my old school was one of the Paras at Market Garden. Always saw him as "just some old bloke sweeping up" He was a damn war hero!
@@Beowolf5388 A lot of our detentions involved helping him clean the classrooms after school, he was pretty much a master of the broom, and passed his skills on freely!
A good friend of my parents was an aeronautical engineer who retired here in Switzerland in his old age. He was the one who explained how they built one of the best planes of WW2 in plywood as he had been one of those who designed it. I must have been 14 then, in the early 1970s.
My grandad flew in them: navigator, aerial reconnaissance. Stripped of guns and bombs it was the fastest thing in the sky. Cost him his hearing but he took some remarkable photos of bombing raid damage.
@@Braun30 Absolutely the best plane of WWII. Genius from conception to production. Didn't use any war-critical materials (only balsa, birch, and spruce). Because it was wood, it utilised sectors of industry that weren't being used much for the war: cabinet makers, boat builders, and ever piano factories. Manufacturing was dispersed from the very beginning - you simply could not bomb out the production line, because they were literally all over the country - not even Goering was stupid enough to launch a raid on a 12-man chair factory in a Yorkshire village. Construction techniques required no special tools or jogs - just the standard woodworking tools everyone had, and concrete moulds. From getting the plans and instructions, for example, Australia turned out its first Mosquito only eighty days later. Wood was better than monocoque in many ways, leading to a higher survivability. Hell, often explosive shells failed to detonate because it was too soft. You could scarfe joint on new wingtips, and often the Mossies would be flying the same day as they were repaired. Didn't fatigue as easily as metal, could absorb more shock - hence you could stick a 2lb-gun on it without it shaking to bits. Helped pioneer composite construction and new adhesives (including UV-cured glues). Was, in a way, slightly stealthy, since wood has a much lower radar return than metal. Was the fastest thing in the sky until jet aircraft. Pioneered low-level precision bombing, including taking out the radio station Goering was due to give a speech at in Berlin on the anniversary of the founding the Nazi party, and the Amiens prison raid. Was used for everything from bombing to recon to night fighting to anti-shipping to...transporting Niels Bohr out of Europe to go work on the atomic bomb. Was barely changed throughout the war because the design was so good from the start.
I don't think you can categorically say the nose or the engine nacelles are seen clearly enough from this angle to say, "short nose" or "Merlin engines." To me, the deciding factor is that there is no dihedral in the horizontal stabilizer - only seen on the de Havilland. Also, the A-26 Invader is doubly disqualified because the Rudder on it is squared off. Mosquito, A-20 and B-26 have rounded vertical stabilizers.
@Hoa Tattis They left Normandy in July 1944 and went back to England, had several jumps canceled while the ground forces were racing across France, then jumped into the Netherlands on September 17, 1944 as part of Market Garden.
Could you imagine today’s generation getting pulled off the couch at 17-25 yrs old and 2 weeks later you’re going through this shit? Dog fights in the air, tank shells going off, plans falling out the sky adding by you. Forever and always will be men of men generation. R.I.P ggpa. 145th inf div. stationed in Northern Africa, Italy, France. came home with shrapnel in his back and shot 3 times. Died on his 100th bday. He was a bad ass
These are mosquitos. It's not a havoc because the elevators on these planes are straight. The Havoc's elevators has some dihederal. (They're angled upward) and the Havoc is smaller. It's not a b-25 because the B-25 had twin small vertical stabilizers. The Mosquito has 1 large vertical stab.
Anyone who even has minimal aircraft recognition skills knows they're Mosquitos. Bostons...LOL, those have dihedral in the tail. At :23, that is UNQUESTIONABLY a Mosquito. You have to not have eyes to think otherwise. There is no other aircraft of WW2 with that wing/tail/fuse design.
Pause the film at 23 seconds, I noticed three blades props, unless I am mistaken, B-26's had four bladed. They sound like Merlin engines. Although I could be stood corrected 😊
Michael Taylor Good spot. Like you I spotted 3 blades, the B-26 has four like you said. Still, I think the editors of these scene made the planes as B-26s, just because it is an American bomber & Band of Brothers is an American production. Also, the size of the Mosquito is smaller then the planes in the video. Look at this photo; www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/b-26_formation_france.jpg I see many similarities.
Lt col speirs that is a very close resemblance, but having looked again at the footage, the siluette of the aircraft with engine trouble fits a mosquito, the sloping tail section and rounded nose.
Michael Taylor True, but the shape of the planes at 0:01 in the background look so familiar to B-26s in the photo I posted in my other comment. On the other hand, if the editors of the planes really made those 3 blades on purpose, than they are probably de Havilland Mosquitos.
Is it a Mosquito or is it a B-26 Marauder? Actually it's neither it's CG so not actually either one. Looks close to a Marauder but lacks v type horizonal stabilizers and is flat like the Mosquito. However it's fuselage is fat and round unlike the slimmer Mosquito. So they're what ever you wish, you get to pick it. So let's reply with your choice and talley up the count in say 1yr?
Can't tell for certain but are you' sure that they're not B-26's? Either way there's only a couple of either still flying so it could have simply been a couple twin engine aircraft of whatever model they can make to look like WWII aircraft .Even 20+ years ago finding enough of the real deal and somebody willing to grant them an airworthiness certificate and somebody brave enough to fly one would have been a daunting task.
I've watched it several times and then it occurred to me that everyone is arguing about a load of CGI pixels . I know my WW2 aircraft and I cannot conclusively say exactly what aircraft they are meant to represent .
They are as the title says - de Havilland Mosquitos also nicknamed the wooden wonder because it was made out of wood , they were used in all kinds of roles within the RAF, illuminating targets for the heavy bombers nicknamed Pathfinders, then they were using in destroying V-1 Rocket sites and also used in the ground attack role equipped with bombers & rockets and also as a fighter-bomber too , it was a multi-role aircraft.
@@EinundzwanzigPanzer Maybe because they could be easily mis-identified as a B-26 Marauder. The last plane with the engine failure, the wings do look like a Mosquito's wings but like I said, the planes look very similar to Marauders.
@@BlueonGoldZ And yet they are not. Who cares what planes they look similiar to? If you look closely, you will notice they are Mosquitos. If you are in doubt even after looking closely at them, then as I said you are not as good at aircraft recognition as you think. At this point this is starting feel like arguing wether the sky is blue is blue or not...
KoopaPlayz nope. Those bombs saved the lives of millions of people, US soldiers and Japanese soldiers and civilians. They also arguably prevented them from ever being used again. To argue that the US is somehow wrong for winning a war it didn’t start is some pansy revisionist history pussy shit.
Thats what Horrocks said, But Eisenhower Let Monty have a go. If Patton and Bradley were allowed to go, then Yes, the war in the West MIGHT have ended sooner. But there were a lot of Politics involved.
@@mickdyer5310 Eisenhower was essentially a logistics officer more to do with supplies than actual fighting (like Germany’s Paulus) but he was the perfect man for the job. He juggled egos and politics very well.
Since everyone is debating about the realism of this scene, assuming they were Mosquitoes, is it realistic that a dozen or more Mosquitoes would go and return on a sortie as a group? It is my understanding that at this phase of the war the Mosquitoes squadrons (at least some of them anyway) were tasked with ranger patrols, most often at night, to attack anything that moved behind German lines. It would not make sense that a whole squadron would be seen together in a loose formation.
They are telegraph poles (aka phone lines) but even if they were power poles how the hell did you think people managed to get electricity or communications in the 1940's? They obviously had to use poles...
@@maxzzyzx8038 How can you tell they are porcelain when they are in silhouette? I'm not saying the show's production designers were so anal retentive they definitely used glass insulators so to be absolutely accurate for what amounts to about 3 seconds of a shot's background, but how anal retentive do you have to be to just assume the stupid insulators up on a telephone pole you can't really see that well just have to have been anachronisms? Get a life, bruh.
To me, these aircraft are just generic CGI allied aircraft. The engine nacelles are indicative of radial engines. The wing form is definitely not Mosquito. The engine note is not RR Merlin, to my ears at least. Only the producers and CGI artists can tell us what they are supposed to be. In my view, these aircraft are a nod to ALL the Allied aircrews by presenting a generic aircraft shape with D-Day stripes. Just my opinion.
Havocs have a much slenderer profile for the fuselage and very different, angular tailplanes. These have the much rounder bodies of Mozzies and flat, rounded tailplanes.
@@EinundzwanzigPanzer Don't look like Mosquitos. In 1944, the actual planes were probably Bostons AKA A-20 Havocs. weaponsandwarfare.com/2016/09/21/air-support-for-market-garden-i/
It doesn't matter if it realisticly would have been one plane or the other. The planes in THIS scene are clearly Mosquitos. Look at the shape of the fuselage, the horisontal stabilizers and the trailing edge of the wings. Those. Are. Mosquitos. If you think those are Bostons, then you need to get your eyes checked, or you simply suck at aircraft recoqnition. It might very well be that Bostons would have been the realistic choice of aircraft, but alas the makers of BoB chose Mosquitos.
@@EinundzwanzigPanzer According to this, they were B-26s. Likely would have been computer generated rather than actual aircraft. In the actual battle, they were probably Havocs. www.impdb.org/index.php?title=Band_of_Brothers#Martin_B-26_Marauder
@@billboth4814 And that is clearly wrong. Look the tail of B-26. It has a tail turret and much fatter fuselage in generel. The wings are higher mounted and the trailing edge of the wings have a less dramatic angle. So whoever maintains that wiki clearly is no aviation buff either. Those are Mosquito, and yes obivously they are computer generated. The Dehavilland Mosquitos were probably chosen because BoB partly was shot and produced on a lot which used to house the HQ of the De Havilland Aircraft Corporation, which invented and produced the Musquito.
Those are Mosquitoes. If you look up pictures of them you can clearly see it by the wings, tail and engines. Plus just because a plane was "Obsolete" does not mean that it was removed from action. It takes a long time to replace planes. So the A-20's still flew until the end of the war. No reason to scrap a perfectly good plane and have to retrain crews.
