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Live run of BK 100%. Stivity's channel - www.youtube.com...
From SDA's Awesome Games Done Quick (AGDQ 2013) a charity speed run marathon which aimed to raise money for the Prevent Cancer Foundation. The marathon was a MASSIVE success, with donations reaching $448,423.27.
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Released on June 29, 1998, Banjo-Kazooie stars Banjo the bear and Kazooie the bird who sticks around in Banjo's backpack. Kazooie spits eggs, carries Banjo around, and dive bombs into walls while eating jiggies and getting transformed by Mumbo the shaman into a walrus, a pumpkin, and other oddities. Banjo & Kazooie set out on their journey because the evil witch Gruntilda has kidnapped Banjo's sister for use in her beauty-stealing machine. Source: SDA game page
Banjo-Kazooie is the first installment in the Banjo Kazooie series, and chronicles the titular characters' encounter with series antagonist Gruntilda. The game's story focuses on Banjo and Kazooie's efforts to stop Gruntilda's plans to switch her beauty with Banjo's sister Tooty. The game features nine open levels where the player must complete a number of challenges like solving puzzles, jumping over obstacles, gathering objects, and defeating opponents.
Banjo-Kazooie was under development for more than two and a half years and was originally intended to be an adventure game for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System. The game was a critical and commercial success, selling nearly two million copies in the United States and receiving aggregated scores of 92% and 93% from Metacritic and GameRankings respectively. The game was praised for its detailed graphics, immersive sound, and intricate level design. In 1999, it received two awards from the Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences: "Console Action Game of the Year" and "Outstanding Achievement in Art/Graphics". The critical and commercial success of Banjo-Kazooie led to the release of a sequel, Banjo-Tooie, which was also developed by Rare for the Nintendo 64. Source: Wikipedia.org
For those who stumble across these videos, a speed run is a video of a person or persons, completing a game as fast as possible using any means possible. This can include glitches, abusing in-game mechanics and skipping items or even playing events out of sequence.

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@snomangaming
@snomangaming 9 лет назад
Run starts at 3:23. Stiv's an awesome runner if you've never checked him out
@myleswithay1362
@myleswithay1362 6 лет назад
This is a comment that has not aged well
@hentaidude666
@hentaidude666 6 лет назад
his best friends wife checked him out.
@felipepaniagua9096
@felipepaniagua9096 3 года назад
Thanks
@KumaPaws376
@KumaPaws376 Год назад
he's my dad!
@TheHylianJuggalo
@TheHylianJuggalo 9 лет назад
You can tell a game is solidly built when it takes an expert speedrunner several hours to finish.
@soulgamer789
@soulgamer789 8 лет назад
It's 100% tho, any% is significantly faster
@DamienGolding
@DamienGolding 10 лет назад
Awesome. Speed running on a collect 'em up like Banjo Kazooie takes some real dedication.
@FoundationsofPause
@FoundationsofPause 10 лет назад
One of the first games from childhood (that featured a time clock) where within a week I had 24 hours logged in. O___O. I remember thinking not to let my mom see that number.
@xehP
@xehP Год назад
back when they used to read depressing donations lmao
@thebasquez
@thebasquez 10 лет назад
20:19 Awkward reading pause
@SatoshiMochida
@SatoshiMochida 10 лет назад
2:24:17 Extra Wife.
@Bobbis999
@Bobbis999 10 лет назад
k
@IgniteGoesFast
@IgniteGoesFast 10 лет назад
***** Funny you say that because at SGDQ someone cheated on their husband with Stivitybobo.
@AdamPalomino
@AdamPalomino 10 лет назад
Ignite Speedruns What? Bullshit, got a source? That is just insane!
@IgniteGoesFast
@IgniteGoesFast 10 лет назад
When's the last time you've seen showvideogames stream? Yeah. He banged Tolki.
@AdamPalomino
@AdamPalomino 10 лет назад
Ignite Speedruns I remember hearing about a runner who sexually abused someone and damaged someone's console at an event. Can't be the same person.
@cheemscheemson1782
@cheemscheemson1782 3 года назад
Alright enough with the fucking donations jesus christ
@minerharry
@minerharry 6 лет назад
2:42:10... so glad they got the fun fact about eekum bokum, but they didn’t get the really cool one: everything Mumbo says - eeekum bokum and later owaa, and in the second game eekum bokum eekum bokum eekum bokum eekowaa - are the syllables of one of the developers’ name scrambled
@destructionman1
@destructionman1 10 лет назад
Speed running = applied traveling salesman problem
@billybobbobson3797
@billybobbobson3797 Год назад
back when cosmo was still cosmo not cosplaying as a woman
@oodon3220
@oodon3220 3 года назад
this video is the AGDQ equivalent to the 2016 xxl freshmen cypher
@samharrison9017
@samharrison9017 10 лет назад
I beat Banjo Kazooie in 2 and a half hours, 100% including the cheats you get from Cheato!
@takeshiC1
@takeshiC1 9 лет назад
2.34.56 hm there's something strangely... ordered.. about that time
@JT-qk9kn
@JT-qk9kn 8 лет назад
haha
@Zakuma101
@Zakuma101 10 лет назад
Me and my cousins used to overreact to the shark in the second world and now whenever i play the game or watch it and banjo gets in the water I get super nervous.
@WinterJ91
@WinterJ91 10 лет назад
If you miss games like Banjo and Kazooie, Dk 64, Crash bandicoot , Spyro and Super Mario 64. Please support the kickstarter for Distro Horizons A 3D Collectathon project. Please thumb this comment up so SpeedDemosArchiveSDA can see.
@Kojakesh99
@Kojakesh99 10 лет назад
Josh Hutcherson is that you?
@bellboy64
@bellboy64 10 лет назад
2:23:20 How 'bout that. BK1 predicted Humba Wumba.
@kjorg27
@kjorg27 9 лет назад
Like if you're watching in 1999, reminiscing about last year when this game was released! Takes me back.
@publican90
@publican90 9 лет назад
I'm watching from 1997 can't wait for it to come out
@Jerkwad152
@Jerkwad152 9 лет назад
kjorg27 I'm still in 1985, just getting the hang of Super Mario Bros.
@brunkopops9321
@brunkopops9321 9 лет назад
I'm watching this in the Stone Age in 65,000,000 B.C., I'm practicing banging sticks against rocks as music
@jsstyger5492
@jsstyger5492 9 лет назад
+Brendan Flynn Hard rocks life, bro?
@SAwfulEPM
@SAwfulEPM 11 лет назад
Wow. 2:18:21 in, and a guy in the back cuts one so loud it can be heard on RU-vid. As a Let's Player, I wish more commentary was given to the speedruns, and have spent the past month delighted by this channel. I plan on working on optimizing MegaMan Battle Network 3 in the future, I think that the biggest trick initially would be figuring out how to luck manipulate the random encounters until SneakRun can be obtained. If I get my plans working correctly, I'll see what can be done!
@MrBda241
@MrBda241 9 лет назад
2:27:16 That comment got me
@mason9713
@mason9713 3 года назад
2021 .. anyone?
@kaizoku83mugiwara
@kaizoku83mugiwara 10 дней назад
nah 2024
@DyingToLive310
@DyingToLive310 11 лет назад
I'd much rather hear everyone joking and talking about game stuff. We don't want to hear about give aways and comments. Advertising for donation prizes is extremely annoying, 10 minutes of it is understandable as donations are important but hearing it for almost the full 2 hours is boring.... to viewers and to the people in the room.
@TheMineMappers
@TheMineMappers 10 лет назад
Time: 23456 . Kappa
@WinterJ91
@WinterJ91 11 лет назад
If you miss collect- a- thon games like banjo and kazooie please support the kickstarter for Lobodestroyo its A retro action adventure game inspired by N64-era collect-a-thon platformers. Channeling the spirit of Rareware's late 90's titles.
@gafeht
@gafeht 8 лет назад
58:22 Cosmo intensifies
@RizenLink
@RizenLink 10 лет назад
Speed runners a ****ing AWESOME! Great work for a great cause =)
@RocketClauncher212
@RocketClauncher212 10 лет назад
Quick tip:Set speed to 1.25 in the options area on the video.You can still understand them just as well,And the game play isn't too different,only problem really is the game music.Makes these videos 1/4 shorter too.
@LW123LW
@LW123LW 10 лет назад
Retry your math. It cuts a fifth off.
@RocketClauncher212
@RocketClauncher212 10 лет назад
Retry your math. .25 = one fourth. So 1.25 would be 1/4 shorter. .20 would be one fifth
@LW123LW
@LW123LW 10 лет назад
Okay, so if you watch for 8 seconds at 1.25x, that would total ten seconds of video because 1.25*8=10. That means you saved 2 seconds. 2/10=1/5.
@RocketClauncher212
@RocketClauncher212 10 лет назад
Actually,This applies to the original 8 seconds.At 1.25x speed it would be only 6 seconds. 8/6=3/4, Or 1/4 shorter.
@LW123LW
@LW123LW 10 лет назад
So let's extend your logic. A video at 1.25x being 1/4 shorter means that a video at 1.5x should be 1/2 shorter, right? And a video at 2x speed then should be 1 shorter, or instantaneous. Yeah, that doesn't seem right.
@soldier_strife6372
@soldier_strife6372 10 лет назад
I didn't realise Josh Hutcherson was so good at Banjo Kazooie!!!
@randomgamerdude98
@randomgamerdude98 10 лет назад
Lmfao he does look like him
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
Well, in this video you have (from left to right), mike89, Stivitybobo and Cosmo.
@iicapnjazzii6779
@iicapnjazzii6779 8 лет назад
damn stiv looks really young in this vid
@Zaiqahal
@Zaiqahal 6 лет назад
He looks exactly as he does now, lol.
@BTD5gamer
@BTD5gamer 11 лет назад
About 6 years of my childhood pwned in less than 3 hours.
@antoniotorres9724
@antoniotorres9724 3 года назад
Que yo sepa algunos diálogos no se pueden adelantar. Aún así es el mejor que he visto porque mayoría ya tienen todas las habilidades sin hablar con el topo. Yo lo he completado en 4 horas 20 minutos y es una joya el juego
@hoplabobla
@hoplabobla Год назад
This game is awesome
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
you should try watching on xbox. Ugh. It's terrible lol. But it's all i can do until i get a new laptop.
@maxmandude
@maxmandude 11 лет назад
Keep in mind that the questions he was getting wrong consistently were the grunty questions, and their answers are randomized each time you start a new game.
@doriantapia6291
@doriantapia6291 9 лет назад
how do you raise the water after the cave with the witches rock head?
@nathanbyberg
@nathanbyberg 5 лет назад
Stivitybobo you’re a legend! I am damn impressed with your skills dude! You sure as hell have my respect! ✊👊
@nievesofficial
@nievesofficial 10 лет назад
1:14:36 David Winn does the voice of lumpy from happy tree friends...
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
best words i could see from someone:)
@KumaPaws376
@KumaPaws376 Год назад
stivitybobo & Banjo-Kazoossy is the best pairing
@BananaMana69
@BananaMana69 8 лет назад
The dude reading the donations always says thank you to the girl names but not the guy names...
@predatorsander
@predatorsander 8 лет назад
he was trying to get some
@weatherton
@weatherton 11 лет назад
Please use S-Video cables in the future for N64 runs! This one has a LOT of dithering due to the composite cables used...
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
Every single game from the marathon was recorded and is available for download on archive . org and eventually all will be on this channel. :)
@maggotthemadman8142
@maggotthemadman8142 10 лет назад
58:15 DA FUCK? LOL what a weird fucking donation that was.
@Dragon359
@Dragon359 10 лет назад
My thoughts exactly.
@MSOGameShow
@MSOGameShow 10 лет назад
Because some people aren't above using a charity to get 15 seconds of internet fame.
@MSOGameShow
@MSOGameShow 10 лет назад
***** At least those actually have to do with the charity, the game being played, or those playing it. That shoutout was 99% LOOK AT ME I'M A TRANNY and 1% cancer. Actually, in some circles, you could say it was 100% cancer.
@MSOGameShow
@MSOGameShow 10 лет назад
***** Strange, all I did was answer your argument honestly. It's like you can't reply with an intelligent comeback or something. By the way, if you find the shoutouts annoying, you probably shouldn't be watching this channel.
@MSOGameShow
@MSOGameShow 10 лет назад
***** Funny because I barely complained about it's "irrelevance" and more about the fact that some guy was using his minority status to try to get praise over the internet. On the subject of the other shoutouts, I barely heard anything irrelevant to the game itself or the charity (cancer) in the shoutouts during this run. People either told stories about their childhood involving the game, knowing someone with cancer who either lived or died because of it, the whole "feet off the couch" thing which became a joke among donators, or complimented the speedrunners for their charity work. Oh, and there actually was another shoutout I took issue with. 1:29:37 - I really, really don't like SJWs. Also, like I said before, if you find the charity shoutouts annoying, then why the hell are you even watching AGDQ knowing full well that they do this? It's like bitching to a Let's Player about commentating over game footage - there are plenty of other people out there to watch.
@Catscratch447
@Catscratch447 11 лет назад
Well, I have all the games on Xbox LIVE Arcade, so I'm not really sure about that, but I think that the in-console storage of the N64 would carry over the stop 'n' swap items, and the whole in-game process is to enter this large egg-shaped house like thing, where you will find a hen, who I forgot the location and name of, but the "upgrades" I mentioned are pretty good, and are pretty useful. If you want to find out where to use the SnS items, check out NCS's BK LP. (NintendoCapriSun)
@indubitably01
@indubitably01 11 лет назад
This was so great! The player was a pretty chill guy, the commentator kept it from being boring and the other guys listed very interesting information. Well done, wish I would have seen it live so I could donate.
@nathanbyberg
@nathanbyberg 5 лет назад
That run was EPIC & AMAZING! To see my favorite childhood game, Banjo-Kazooie gets destroyed that well was epic! He even made my nightmare level, Rusty Bucket Bay look easy! Well done Stivitybobo! That was amazing!
@SentryDog22
@SentryDog22 10 лет назад
Had no idea Greg Kriesel was so good at Banjo Kazooie.
@Mahaveez
@Mahaveez 11 лет назад
Really cool seeing the back-and-forth between Bobo and Cosmo. World-class speedrunners discussing in one place--doesn't happen too often.
@MellowCruisin
@MellowCruisin 11 лет назад
Guys in the front are leaning forward to see the tv. Guys in the back are like "Is that banjo kazooie?"
@DruoxTheShredder
@DruoxTheShredder 11 лет назад
Run starts at: 3:25
@unclejessie4819
@unclejessie4819 7 лет назад
is this the kid from the hunger games
@surreal-riley
@surreal-riley 4 года назад
Am I the only person on when they watch a video with footage of a game they block out everything else that’s happening around it
@Bammer2001
@Bammer2001 9 лет назад
Eekum bokum. :)
@inactiveaccount7856
@inactiveaccount7856 8 лет назад
Mumbo is amazing ;)
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
the stream went down several times during the marathon, it's bound to happen. But not to worry, it comes right back ;)
@bewareofthewombat
@bewareofthewombat 9 лет назад
300 bucks to get their feet off the couch. This is why I love GDQ.
@mikehive
@mikehive 11 лет назад
Holy balls! I thought I was good at Banjo-Kazooie but these guys are the next level O.O
@Fenrakk101
@Fenrakk101 11 лет назад
It may not have been the sequel we all wanted, but quite frankly they did a stellar job of living up to the series with the orders they were given - gotta credit Rare for that
@CFB1611
@CFB1611 3 месяца назад
Anyone in 2024?
@scrawz1181
@scrawz1181 2 месяца назад
Me!
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
keep checking back at speeddemosarchive . com for info about the next marathon.
@tyler9570
@tyler9570 10 лет назад
Obsessed with that Bee.
@ITheLoZKingI
@ITheLoZKingI 11 лет назад
Man, stivity had to be absolutely DREADING Rusty Bucket Bay!
@MalFunktion2024
@MalFunktion2024 10 лет назад
White guys :)
@MERGERStudios
@MERGERStudios 11 лет назад
*Clicks internet* *Instantly goes to RU-vid* *Types in SpeedDemosArchive* *Sees new video* YESSSSS!!!
@cubsfan099
@cubsfan099 10 лет назад
green shirt = captain obvious
@Kevelinu
@Kevelinu 11 лет назад
It's the same for every specific safe file, so you can shut off the system and it'll be the same when you play again, but definately different from file to file, even on a N64. I am sure.
@TearDropzTC
@TearDropzTC 10 лет назад
Could you please please do a banjo and tooie speedrun I would be so grateful ^_^
@IroniqEleganceX
@IroniqEleganceX 11 лет назад
My list: 1. Banjo-Tooie 2. Majora's Mask 3. Banjo-Kazooie
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
this isn't spam...shame on you youtubers
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
To all the people saying subscribe: You are awesome. =)
@wutrulaffinat
@wutrulaffinat 11 лет назад
So many of those donation comments are so dumb.
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
you can see BT run at archive . org.
@ct7052
@ct7052 11 лет назад
Stivity, I give you so much props man.
@inlovewithi
@inlovewithi 7 лет назад
My favorite part is 58:23.
@cristianyuman4701
@cristianyuman4701 3 года назад
Ver al Stivi de ahora y sorprenderte de lo mucho que a mejorado.
@ThatCowGuy
@ThatCowGuy 10 лет назад
An extremly awesome AGDQ :D I looove Banjo-Kazooie :3 And I want to say: Actually Goby appears in CCW even if you completly skip Gobys Valley; I figured out that when I tried to Play through the game by skipping one Level (Which I thought Gobys Valley would do best, cause you dont necesserly need These shoes there) - In fact you can Play till the note-door after furnace, but it Needs 810 notes... (At this Point you can actually gain 25 Jiggys for the last door, but Gobys Door Needs nine of them) so Gobys Valley is still needed to Play through tho. :D By the way, is there a glitch letting you skip note doors ? :))
@Drjammy
@Drjammy 10 лет назад
Who's the guy commentating?
@TheLinc14
@TheLinc14 10 лет назад
Pretty sure it's SpikyVegeta
@LaserTG2
@LaserTG2 10 лет назад
If you're talking about the one reading donations, I think that's SpikeVegeta. I could be wrong on that one, though.
@DMantra
@DMantra 10 лет назад
If you're a WR speedrunner for this, meaning you meticulously research everything.. except the gruntilda quiz? that would take 5-10 minutes to learn. Why brute it at the end and kill time? Just learn the damn questions. Save time. I find that a bit incomprehensible for a WR holder for this game.
@KazzyMac
@KazzyMac 10 лет назад
Because the answers to the questions are randomly-generated each playthrough and thus there's no way to reliably learn or guess which answers are correct and which aren't. Perhaps the runners could get them from Brentilda during the playthrough but it depends whether stopping to talk to her is worth the time wasted in the end deliberately getting the questions wrong, and it probably doesn't. Blame RNGesus.
@wiikid41
@wiikid41 10 лет назад
there is a glitch in the game on the final boss fight if you use the game shark constantly i accidently found out about this while using the game shark to beat this game when i was younger the game shark will not allow you to complete either the jinjo nator or the other 4 jinjo statues for some odd reason this glitch happened and i had to deleate my entire game file many years past and around 2012 the cartridge decided to give me back my old file i had completed with my brother when i was younger which had crashed due to the game shark glitches that were performed multiple years ago when this game had first come out
@raptorcitos
@raptorcitos 10 лет назад
I NEED PLAY THIS SHIT IN VC FUCK!
@bellboy64
@bellboy64 10 лет назад
Good luck. Rare's owned by Microsoft now. It's on Xbox Live Arcade though, albeit with slight alterations.
@SuperAnge911
@SuperAnge911 10 лет назад
bellboy64 Good that i have my N64 left pheeew
@EmmettXIV
@EmmettXIV 10 лет назад
54:18 I love me some Banjo Kazooie gumgombogum i like how the guy who reads donations said that. lol 2:02:46 scary good jump I like Kurt Q, the green shirt guy and Stiv because he's got skills. & FEET ON THE COUCH
@YurameshiVT
@YurameshiVT 10 лет назад
I'd love to see a Bioshock run. :) You guys who don't know, there's a trick that I discovered that really helps with Bouncers on hard. Get to a high place! Their AI will screw up and some won't be able to reach you and since they don't have a projectile weapon, they can't damage you!!! Try a stretcher to the corner planter near the. 1st little sister!
@Neoprimal
@Neoprimal 10 лет назад
Run starts at 3:26
@PhelanVelvel
@PhelanVelvel 11 лет назад
Stivity is adorable and so soft-spoken, I didn't know he was such a cutie on top of being insane at Banjo-Kazooie.
@MarioMastar
@MarioMastar 11 лет назад
Actually, he's kind of right. You have to consider the demography of the people who watch the videos for the charity and even donate themselves. For the most part, it's very pleasant to hear all the donations people have done, but the reason why the people read the donations during breaks and boring parts is because most viewers want to hear about the game. If all they were about was the prevent cancer, they wouldn't get nearly as large of a viewer base sadly. Gotta find a happy medium.
@BBQDanTheMan
@BBQDanTheMan 11 лет назад
The donation readings are necessary, i know, but it kinda ruins the run
@shaw-krowdashsabe2302
@shaw-krowdashsabe2302 10 лет назад
Missed 23 red fethers Missed 13 yellow fethers lol :p
@yugofranc
@yugofranc 11 лет назад
The answers to the Gruntilda questions are randomly generated for each playthrough of the game. Starting a new game resets the answers, so it's different for each run. Aside from speaking Brentilda, knowing all the answers for a fresh run would be impossible.
@Odorokasu
@Odorokasu 10 лет назад
You guys really are my heroes. Gaming and being a gamer usually gets a bad rep cast upon them, but you guys are doing this amazing thing with them. Keep it up~ This is the second time I've watched stivi do a Banjo-Kazooie run. The first time it was his Any Percent run. I really love the Grunty's Lair music and how it just blends between the different areas you go through. 1:21:09 Motzand duet~ 1:25:38 I love Mumbo. He's my favorite character in the franchise. Love that he gets more screen time in Banjo-Tooie~
@Zaiqahal
@Zaiqahal 4 месяца назад
Man, it's crazy what has happened to the runners shown in the front in this video.
@ToxicxEternity
@ToxicxEternity 11 лет назад
I love banjo kazooie and I love ADGQ. =D
@ImminentGod
@ImminentGod 3 года назад
Back in time when GDQ had soul. And no a corporate woke trash.
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
youre welcome
@HarmonySword
@HarmonySword 10 лет назад
I normally hate Speedrunners, but this one wasn't that bad, impressive i must say
@jitsuzuko
@jitsuzuko 8 лет назад
why there are so many guys in that room? xD
@alexives9274
@alexives9274 8 лет назад
cosmo in the room to.
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA
@SpeedDemosArchiveSDA 11 лет назад
So lame...
@BurdieFromHell
@BurdieFromHell 2 года назад
I know Narcissa went a bit off the deep end, but she got me interested in speedruns with her OoT commentary and for that I wish her well
@jokkergar
@jokkergar Год назад
>she
@DemonLordSparda
@DemonLordSparda 11 лет назад
... well you remember wrong. No matter which hut you smash first it goes in sequence and you do have to smash all of them to get the jiggy.
@MinisterMishkin
@MinisterMishkin 11 лет назад
The donation announcing kills these videos, otherwise these would be perfection. Though I do understand why they have to do it.
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