Baptism - Why the Disputes (1st in Series) 

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As a conservative Lutheran I would agree that I have more in common with my reformed brothers than liberal Lutherans

Dr. James White is a very brilliant brother in Christ Jesus and I'm very grateful that I have come across his amazing work. God is very good. The Lord sends us Theologians like brother White to help us in our walk with Him. Thank you for your hard work, Dr. James White.

It's always a breath of fresh Air listening to this Man of God Speak.

Thank you Dr.White for the faithful preaching of God’s Word !

Very good warning about traditions impacting our hermeneutics!

Thank you for your stand in this day. I appreciate your discussion which comments were tuned off about what's going on in the woke churches. Bless you from Wales UK

Baptise me with you Holy Spirit, Jesus!

I was baptized on my 19th birthday by submersion on an October morning , in Lake Erie. The water was like 45 degrees but it was a perfect day for me and a true baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. And to God’s glory I didn’t feel the slightest chill in my body!

@ the end of the day it doesn’t matter if you’re baptized by water as an infant/child or an adult if you aren’t regenerated by the Holy Spirit you’re not going to see or enter the kingdom of God. “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God…That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:3,6)

Perhaps this isn't the corect forum or maybe I missed the reference, but, in discussions of baptism, why is there no mention of the Jewish mikveh? It seems to me that, at least from a superficial standpoint, that the concept of baptism flows naturally out of Jewish ritual cleansing. To me, it seems that Jesus, amongst all His other corrections of Jewish religious practices and ceremonies, was correcting or perhaps re-focusing Jewish ceremonial cleansing to a once for all cleansing in His blood represented by and through the baptismal waters. I would greatly appreciate a consideration of this in one of your venues. I believe it has the potential to be profitable for study and for bolstering the immersion argument. Many thanks and Maranatha!

Yeah. I'm with luther and calvin on this one. Yours sincerely a Presbyterian brother.

Jesus Name Baptism!

Dr. James White is my personal favorite Reformed Evangelical scholar alive today. This series of sermons on Baptism is almost like taking a seminary course on the topic.

I hope James debates a confessional Lutheran on this one day. That would be quite a debate. CLs are very informed of the argumentation against their view of baptism.

I have literally seen James White at my church back in the nineties.....I like him a lot......... My problem with this position is that he does come with former biases......... I would lose in a debate with him or in just remembering what I have learned over the years. There are tens of thousands that could better discuss this topic than me. Nowhere does the scriptures say YOU HAVE TO BE IMMERSED. If that is the case, then in another instant you would have to immerse a table to wash it for that passage uses the same Greek word. When the scripture says and straightway, he came up out of the water, nowhere intimates that he was fully under the water. Going down into the water literally means you were on the shore now you went down into the water. How far? To your ankles, knees, thighs, waist, chest, neck...........I think RC Sproul has a good understanding of baptism as a SIGN of the New Covenant.......NOT that these children are automatically saved or even will be saved.....but as a sign to those who are in the House of God that they will be raised in a covenantal household.......If that child getting baptized grows up to believe in believers' baptism and wants then to get baptized then do it. It is a SIGN......Another problem with believers' baptism for children is it actually points more to free will thinking. What, only when "THEY CHOOSE" Jesus by themselves THEN they can get baptized? When is that right age? When Jesus was preaching and telling people to believe and be baptized, he was speaking to adults or to people of all ages sometimes. The same with John the Baptist. Yes then if you believed then be baptized........and so on. I like this teaching from White, but I totally understand the teaching of Sproul on this subject. Sorry for this long comment. I love the friendship of Sproul and MacArthur, and as we all know they differed on this topic a lot.

As for Jesus’ baptism, the best message I’ve ever heard from a reformed baptist is “The meaning and mode of Baptism” by Douglas Van Dorn on sermon audio.

I think there are other topics that are more important to discuss as Christians. I was born Lutheran, was baptized as an infant, became a strict baptist and denounced my infant baptism and was baptized and today I'm sure both ways work. Even though I prefer baptism upon confession of faith I think the Bible does not explicitly forbids infant baptism and consider it today as a legitimate way of getting baptized. God bless all of you in Jesus Christ.✝️🕊️

Please preach more often.

With regard to Jesus 'coming up out of the water' there is surely a question cf 40 min-ish. As a simple point of geography any one stepping out of a river must come up out of the water because the water flows at the lowest point whether it is only ankle deep or above head height. I admit that Jesus underwent more than simple sprinkling but he could have been standing or kneeling with John pouring water over Him from a bowl. Full immersion is not necessarily implied.

I don't feel I fit at any of my local Churches. It's a struggle just to find expository preaching.

Been waiting patiently for this. 😊

When it comes to adults being baptized in the NT, how is this supposed to be a deciding factor on infant vs credo baptism? Both models predict "believe and be baptized" for adults. Its ver rare to have a conversation with an infant... lol, so why would we expect infant baptism to leap from the pages?

Love it! Bring it! Keep it coming, doc! Keep it coming Apologia!

So excited to watch this series.

One thing I’ve noticed: seekers get babtised and celebrate. The master got babtised and fasted for 40 days, having a showdown with the devil.

Very interesting how the word baptism is transliterated and was purposely done to hide the word immersion which is the literary translation from the greek.

Really good preacher!

Can you talk about puritans traditions Christmas Easter and such

Grace and truth ministries with Pastor Jim Brown has an in-depth study on baptism that goes way beyond this if anybody is interested.

Obviously, the most important reason to use "ordinance" for baptism, rather than sacrament, is that it's very close to the term "ordnance", used for high-explosives, used to destroy enemy positions and strongholds (2 Cor 10:5). Dr. White even uses the term "explosive" for the combo of Reformed and Baptist... Heavy Artillery all the way!

Exodus 2:10 And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water.

Tertullian spoke against it around 220 A.D Doesn't this mean it was a common practice? 🤔

Brief means 1 hour.... Not too different from Pr. Jeff. Thank you Dr. James. Please don't change and try and be "brief". God is blessing thousands by your brevity or its lack thereof.

Great sermon, thank you. I would love to know the name of the Jewish man from the States that moved to Israel. He sounds a lot like someone I know.

Maybe someone can help me with a question I have. I grew up in the Catholic faith. Was baptized in a Union United Church. Attended Catholic school, I think I may have ben baptized again ( 🤔) did my First Communion & Confirmation in the Catholic church. Are thise Baptisms enough 🙄🤔 AND where does a born again Christian cone into all this. Someone told me I needed to get baptized AGAIN because I'm an adult & am more fully aware of sin, etc. Thank you to ANYONE who can refer me to scripture, etc to get my answer. ❤Am praying for discernment & guidance, BUT I appreciate ALL THE HELP available that I can get. THANK YOU 🙏🤎

Maybe because Baptism wasn't disputed for 1500 years

Andrew Farley has an eye opening, to the point, biblical explanation on baptism.

yea renewing our minds, good way to wrap it up

Will these sermons be transcribed so I can study them?

What about the word "anabainō" and it being used for when Jesus came out of the water and for Phillip and the eunuch coming up out of the water? Phillip wasn't self baptizing but they both "came up out of" the water. So I don't think you can use the Greek word to prove immersion. And what does it mean for Jesus fulfilling all righteousness? Is it that being The Priest, He had to be sprinkled with water as the old testament required for priest?

How were 3000 people baptized in Jerusalem by immersion, where there is not much water?

I still don't see why sprinkle vs dunk deserves a sermon. Hebrews 6:1-2 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, INSTRUCTION ABOUT CLEANSING RITES, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Does anyone have the list of 96 references to baptism in the NT that Dr White refers to? 📖 I’m hoping to look at them all, thank you

Is there a list of the 96 references to baptism in the NT that anyone knows of?

Baptism gets one INTO Christ (Galatians 3:27, Romans 6:3) Baptism is the point of a believer being forgiven by God (Acts 2:38, 22:16, 1 Pet 3:21)

in a nutshell, Jesus says baptise in the name, of the father, the son and Holy Spirit. Peter with the keys and revelation from God unlocks the name and from then every baptism in the new testament is in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. many many years later, as the army of the Lord ate the tree down, deception crept in and a falling away happened as was prophesied.

does anyone know if his baptism sermons are on spotiffy?

Nothing gets settled in Protestantism. All doctrines are mere opinions.

Remember only way to repent and be saved by Christ act 11 14-18, Luke 11:9-13 just follow only the original gospel tradition teaching not churches but Jesus will guide you personally to the end John 10:1-6, zeph 3:9!

I just told the seeker of babtism. You should be able to teach on the subject before committing to it. You should follow the example and go on a 40 day fast to have a show down with the devil.

it comes down to what did jesus say?

😢 How can a baby who is baptized be working? Baptism is 100% by God's grace, not by what we do. Seems to me when you baptized a person after they have "decided to believe and surrender to God's Lordship over their life," that is a work. Baptism is something 100% God's work. Call it baptismal regeneration if you want because that's what He promises in His word when you take water and the word. It creates new life. Yes, we can walk away from that new life by not believing what God’s word says about Himself. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, and it's a gift, so no one will boast. We are born again by God's gracious act, not ours or our surrendering. That kind of faith has no fear because perfect love cast out all fear. 😂 What a glorious savior we have!!!

Natural preacher under the sun.

How many baptisms are mentioned in the new testament and why was the disciples not recorded to be baptized before the cross?

Are you going to address 1 For 15:29? This comes up sometimes when dealing with LDS members. How do you respond to them?

I love you guys but yall are wrong on baptism... Bible says repent AND BE BAPTIZED for the forgiveness of sin and the gift of the Holy spirit.

Read what the Bible says God does in baptism. Then ask yourself can i be regenerated without what God wants to do in baptism for me

Interesting presentation! I am wondering if Dr.White has ever seriously discussed these theological topics with Dr.John MacArthur? Are they both essentially the same regarding the ordinances?

Acts 2:38

If John the Baptist needed to be at a river... living water. Then how come you can use a pond, cistern or childs wading pool? Couldn't he also use a cistern rather than drag the people all the way out into the desert?

What was this building 25years ago?

What was the all sorts of Messiah literature from the intertestamental period? Thanks

When you talking about baptist and reformed churches, you should add that "in the US". Because for example in Hungary the Reformed (Calvinist) Church is the 2nd biggest denomination with 11.61% of the population belongs there (on paper), while the Baptist Church is a smaller church with 0.18%. Reformed church practices infant baptism just like the catholics. So many of the people who attends there do it as a religious practice, and don't have a personal relationship with Christ, in this area it is really similar to the Catholic church. There are pastors (both men and women can be pastors) who are not born again, they just do it as an occupation, maybe because their father and grand-father were reformed pastors. (There are great exceptions with great pastors and great lively reformed churches.) If you are in the reformed church and get baptized (in the way how you practice it), you will be most likely kicked out. In baptist churches, before you would be baptized, you need to go through a teaching series about the bases of the Faith, the Biblical teachings, in small groups lead by the pastor or 1 on 1 with the pastor (depend on how many people wants to get baptized) and during this proces pastors can get to know each person batter, and only born again christians will be baptized (as much as humanly possible to say who is really a born again).

Yeshua Ha Massiach (Jesus The Messiah). Who is He? " For unto us a Child is born. Unto us a Son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. " Isaiah 9 : 6 Acts Chapter 4 verse 12: " There is no salvation through anyone else, nor is there any other name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved." Born of a virgin, Mary. Matthew Chapter 1 verse 20: " behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to him (Joseph), in a dream and said, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for that (Christ)which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. Jesus, the Christ, is God's word made flesh. Jesus is Jehovah God's (The Creator's) Word made into flesh. 1 John chapter 5 verse 7: " For there are three that bear a record in heaven, The Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one." John chapter 1 verse 1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John chapter 1 verse 14: " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." John chapter 1 verse 10: " He was in the world, and the world knew Him not." Hebrews chapter 4 verse 12: " For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." How beautiful and awesome is God's Word, who is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, magnificent in all His glory, is He.Amen! John's Vision Of Christ Seated On His Throne In Heaven: Revelation chapter 4 verse 2 to 3: " Immediately, I (John), was in the Spirit, and behold a throne sat in Heaven, and One sat on the throne. And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance, and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald." Why did Christ Jesus came and sacrificed His precious life for sinners like us? Christ (God's Word made into flesh), came because through flesh (Adam's flesh) sin entered the world, and then because of sin death entered the whole earth. Through flesh(Jesus Christ's flesh), the earth will be saved, sin is destroyed, and the curse of death shall be broken, death and the grave shall be cast into hell. Christ, who is God's Word made into flesh, sacrificed His life for us. He was crucified for our sins and transgressions. Christ died, and on the third day He resurrected in the flesh, conquering death and the grave. Now, Christ is seated in Heaven, at the right hand of Power(God). Through Christ's sacrifice we gain Salvation through God's abundant mercy and grace. We are reconciled and recompensed back to God, through the shed blood of His beloved Son Christ Jesus. John chapter 3 verse 16: " For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life." Romans chapter 5 verse 8: " But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Christ came to undo the sin and eternal death brought upon the world through the sin of Adam. Death in Adam, Life In Christ: Romans chapter 5 verse 19: " For as by one man's disobedience(Adam), many were made sinners, so also by one Man's (Jesus)obedience, many will be made righteous." Romans chapter 5 verse 18: " Therefore, as through one man's (Adam's) offense judgement came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even through one Man's (Christ's) righteous act, the free gift came to all men, resulting in the justification of life." Romans chapter 5 verse 17: " For if by the one man's offense(Adam's offense), death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in the life through the One(Jesus Christ). Romans chapter 5 verse 12: " Therefore, just as through one man (Adam)sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." Romans chapter 5 verse 21: " "So that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Do you now see that through Adam, sin and death entered the world, so that is why Christ Jesus came to give life, and give it more abundantly? Yes Christ came to give eternal life through Salvation. Adam's flesh brought sin, death, destruction, and condemnation. 1 Corinthians 15 : 21-22, "For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ, all shall be made alive." Christ's sacrifice, the crucifixtion of His flesh, brings reconciliation of sins, life, resurrection, eternal life, salvation Christ is coming back again, not as a sacrificial lamb. He is coming back as a roaring, waring lion, to destroy sin, death, and the grave once and for all. Amen! Halleluyah! Revelation chapter 22 verse 12 to 13: " And behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " Now do you see friends, Why Christ Jesus is so so Important for our Salvation? Yes. Now, do you understand why there is only one way to God, and that is only through Christ Jesus,only? Yes. Christ is Salvation. Christ is our Lord and Saviour. Christ is the only way to God. Christ is the only Mediator between God and men(us humans). God loves us so much, He does not want anyone to perish in hell. God wants all sinners to be saved. That is why He sent His Word to save the world. God's Word became flesh, and dwelt among us to save us. Will you accept Christ and be saved? Romans chapter 6 verse 23: " For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." John Chapter 3 verse 16: " For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." Salvation is free! Christ already paid the price, all you have to do is recieve salvation through acceptance of Jesus Christ, Yeshua Ha Massiach. So who is Christ? He is The Word Of God. He is the Son of God. He is God. He is the image of the unseen God. He is the Alpha and Omega. He is the beginning and the end. He is the Great I Am. He is Emmanuel. He is The Christ. He is The Messiah. He is The Creator. He is our Lord and Saviour. He is our Mediator. He is the Lion and the Lamb. He is Salvation. He is the way, the truth, and life. Amen! I love you Lord! God created the heavens and the earth with His spoken Word. Did you know that Jesus is that Word, through which all things were created? Yes. John chapter 14 verse 6: " Jesus said to him," I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Colassians chapter 1 verse 15 to 16: He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him." John chapter 1 verse 1 to 4: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." I hope that you know Christ, and understand Christ better now,to the glory of God. Amen! Christ is for all who will receive Him. Please pray this prayer with me. Lord Jesus, thank You for dying for me. Please come into my heart. I accept You as my Lord and Savor. You are the Son of God. You are the Word of God. You are God. You are The Great I Am, the One who Was, who Is, and who Is To Come. I believe that You sacrificed Your life for me and died, and on the third day, You awoke, and raised up Your body in the flesh. I believe You are coming back in the flesh (in Your resurrected body). I believe Salvation is only through You. Forgive me Lord of my sins. I renounce and repent of all my sins, past and present, this day. I will sin no more, with Your help dear Lord, now and forever more. Please Lord: keep me in Your bossom. Heal me Oh Lord, help me. Be near me, and never let me go. Write my name in Your Book of Life. Prepare a place for me in Your Father's House. Please hear my prayer dear God, in Jesus mighty name, I pray. Amen! May the Lord continue to be with you and strengthen you through any difficult journeys ahead. ***This is how our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, said we should pray.Matthew chapter 6 verse 9 to 13: "Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name, Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen." *** Now that you understand who Christ is, share Christ with others. Amen! Repent of your sins. Sin No More! Be baptized in Jesus Name. Submit to Jehovah-God. Love God with all your heart, mind, body, soul, and spirit. Keep God's Commandments. Love one another. Forgive one another. It is written, "resist the devil, submit to God, and the devil will flee from you." Hate sin with all your heart, mind, body, soul, and spirit. Spread the Gospel. Acts 11 vs. 15 to 16, " And as I began to speak, The Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, "John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit." Everybody go and speak the gospel with somebody today.

The real gift of PROPHECY - not "preaching" - was active in Paul, also. "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that AFTER my departing shall grievous wolves ENTER IN among you, not sparing the flock. Also, OF YOUR OWN SELVES shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to WARN every one night and day with tears." These words, as you know, preceded the Reformation by 1,500 years, Rome by 300.

I find debates about denominations using scripture ironic since denominations aren't scriptural in the first place.

These comments are just so weird… anyways, excellent content, Apologia!

God bless you James White, what do you think about the Muslim that was almost killed Hatun Tash?

I have a better understanding of this whole thing and that is forget the water folks the baptism that we get is totally dry it’s called the baptism of the Holy Spirit one baptism for the body of Christ. End of discussion.

Baptism now saves you.

I don't think I have never heard it preached, but I like to think that as John's Baptismal water flowed all over Jesus it found absolutely no sin anywhere, to be cleansed from, unlike all others whom John baptised. Therefore righteousness is fulfilled as he was shown to be the absolutely perfect sacrificial Lamb, then the heavens opened etc.

Water baptism is a necessary aspect of salvation.

I don’t agree that Baptists and Presbyterians cannot be elders in a church together. Where is the biblical standard for that?

I don't even know what arguments he's making. So much of this is banter, experientialism and self promotion...

So, is baby baptism adding to God’s Word? The order of things is believe, follow in obedience God’s Word. I was baptized in my 30s even though I was a believer way before. It was not offered to me or explained that it was an obedience of faith to God in front of others. The Bible is very clear we don’t change his word in adding to it or taking away from it? Rev 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. ?

I would've swum in the Jordan river if I was allowed. Instead I could just put my lower legs in and had a fish manicure. It was lovely.

That phrase is thrown around like a "what's the word I am looking for " Dear Lord! I just want to know this one thing! " How do I make right with God! How do I get into heaven and stay there? Which is the best church to be a part of? How do my loved ones get saved?

40:40 its must be rare to encounters jews who know the NT :) I poke fun.

What did John mean by this statement?

One view of Baptism makes God a covenant breaker, another one it proves God to be a covenant keeper.

Phillip and the eunuch pops up on my mind. They both went into the water. I'm sure in the chariot they carry water, Phillip can just splashing on him. No they went down to the river

Sounds like folks dont love the Lord. Jesus said that it you love Him you will keep His commandments, John 14:15

Y'all still using that wiccan symbol for your logo. 🤔🤔🤔 Whether it's a trinity knot or a wiccan symbol aren't we as Christians not supposed to create anything that defines the Godhead with symbolism or "man's device"??? Just sayin brothers Repent a little.... Acts 17:29-30 KJV Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. [30] And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Dr. White, love you, but this was quite slow to the point and a loss of interest. Cut to the chase. It sounds like you’re debating yourself. Again, I love you as a teacher and brother in Christ but man I must have missed it because this was far too drawn out.

The disputes are because anabaptists decided they knew more than the Scriptures and the early church and started their own religion. James White fell for it.

I'm weird too! I would considder myself as reformed pentacostal...

Back up please what did John the Baptist mean when he said Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand? You people go so fast

Dude. Cut to the chase...11min in and still no thesis

Thoughts on Balthasar Hubmaier? He wrote the most excellent work on believers baptism every written.

There were over 3000 souls that were baptized for the forgiveness of sins in water after hearing the first gospel sermon. All through the book of Acts people were being baptized by the Apostles and Evangelicals. One thief on the cross was saved by Christ before the new covenant was in effect yet people would rather be saved like the thief and not by what is written in the book of Acts! No one can prove that the thief wasn’t baptized because the Bible doesn’t say whether he was or not. It’s strictly an assumption without biblical proof. John the Baptist baptized many during the life of the thief on the cross! It amazes me how people want to follow their own rules on salvation instead of what is written!

I'm Methodist... very close protestant denomination to Presbyterian.

So what really happened is that Peter, Paul and a few other guys were watching Mary Magdalene and her friends take their weekly baths in the river. After they left they saw Jesus and John up river and they were playing some kind of naked dunking game. So Peter says, "Hey, what are you guys doing?" Jesus and John were caught off guard so John says, "Oh... um.... I'm dunking Jesus in the river like that story we heard in school about Achilles. You know, make him immortal." So the guys kinda say, "Oh, ok, whatever." As they are walking away Peter says, "Those two are always playing grab ass somewhere while the rest of us men are spying on the ladies." Then Paul says, "That John guy is Batshit Crazy, and now he's playing some naked dunking game with Jesus. I mean.... not that there's anything wrong with that." So from then on they referred to John as "John the Batshit". Move ahead a few centuries, several different language translations of the story, and "Batshit" became "Baptist". So basically baptism is based on some Baptist, aka "Batshit", naked guys dunking each other in a river.

SHLM UHaB (peace & love). The Name of the Creator is Hayah asher Hayah, as what He told Mose (Exodus 3:14), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is a curse to the G-o-d name (Isaiah 65:11-12), preserved in the Hebrew Scriptures. All followers of the Messiah are to do the 7 appointed times (Leviticus 23), but no more animal sacrifices, following the Crucifixion of the Messiah. We are now of the order of MLK TSDQ (King, Righteous), to Whom ABRaHM tithed. Ask the Messiah to be your personal Savior, if you have not done so already. He is the Atoning Offering for mankind for the remission of sin ( 1 John 2:1-2). He said to him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me (John 14:6).

what is there to debate? take up your argument with Jesus and his apostles. stupid. trust and obey, there is no other way. believe and be baptized. the simplicity of Christ.

“There’s only so many verses you’d be looking at (regarding baptism).” Welp, there’s the fruit of sola scriptura. Just read the Didache to see how the early Christians practiced baptism.

What's the point of baptism anyhoo

this is silly. Matthew 28. Its a command from God to make disciples and then baptize them. If anyone is willing to study the bible and come to a full knowledge of the truth let me know !

So if John all those years ago baptised the Messiah? What's the point? If you get baptised you get crapped on if you don't you get crapped on.. make up your minds....

The only baptism needed is being baptized by the Spirit into the Body. Water baptism is not for us