Baroque violin and modern violin: What's the difference? An introduction. 4K UHD

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Violinist Lisa Grodin discusses the differences between the baroque violin and the modern violin.
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Our companion video on the baroque bow: • Baroque, classical and...
The baroque violin in this video was made by Paolo Antonio Testore, Milan, Italy, 1736.
Lisa can be seen performing in many of the Voices of Music videos: • Biber Battalia, Die li...
NB: The composer Lully is earlier than Bach, and Saint-Georges lived at the time of Mozart, but they all would have played and composed for an early-style violin.
Special thanks to Oliver Webber, who made many helpful suggestions for this project.

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@juanmaruli4977 5 лет назад

Has anyone ever told you that you guys look alike? The resemblance is uncanny

@VoicesofMusic 5 лет назад

They do look very similar....

@zerohexer5900 3 года назад

Yea they look really similar

@iceskates8405 3 года назад

It's the same person! 😅

@bobbybrine6547 2 года назад

@@iceskates8405 are you sure? I don't think so... but they do look really alike

@zz2ss 2 года назад

@@bobbybrine6547 yes i strongly think so. She even introduced herself as herself. Just camera tricks. Haha!

@lunoxmos7623 6 лет назад

It's quite amusing watching them trying to better each other as the same person with similar instruments

@mariondehn2191 4 года назад

Well, you know the old saying....."If it ain't baroque, don't fix it." What a fun explanation by such a sweetheart!

@nv7287 6 лет назад

Love seeing musicians talk about their instruments :)

@SM_zzz 5 лет назад

I lost it at "sheep gut" slipped in so nonchalantly!! Not a blink. You're awesome, you both.

@michaelmoss267 3 года назад

Its the same person lol.

@tzu-weijackhuang6217 6 лет назад

Very educational video! You make things so clear for people to comprehend

@TravisD.Willis 2 года назад

I know this is irrelevant: as a black musician, I am very grateful for your recognition of Le Chavalier de Saint Georges. Most people overlook him or refer to him as “the black Mozart”. Thank you!

@VoicesofMusic 2 года назад

Chevalier was brilliant in so many ways.

@SteveMavronis 6 лет назад

I like the Baroque era. Nice to know they tuned 1/2 step down just like I do along with others who play neoclassic rock guitar. style The Baroque period was a major influence.

@infledermaus 6 лет назад

That was a wonderful, charming educational video! I prefer baroque music and instruments. Thank you! I can hear the difference between the two instruments, but it should be noted that the best way to hear the sound of a baroque violin is in person. The sound is so sweet. Recordings, eh. Go hear it played, like at, say, a Voices of Music concert!

@ricardo_valerio 6 лет назад

very informative and fun/captivating! Thank you! :)

@jasonlinton9055 4 года назад

Thank you for making this video!

@VoicesofMusic 4 года назад

You are very welcome!

@kerakhed4506 6 лет назад

This need more views

@ritualee10 3 года назад

My 6 year old and I loved this.

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

So glad! Happy Thanksgiving to you both.

@baroqueera9041 6 лет назад

I needed to know that! Thank u for this helpful vid. I was always wondering whats the difference..

@foxtrotfelix9086 6 лет назад

4:40 lol they cant touch bows or it'll destroy reality itself

@theMad_Artist 5 лет назад

440 hahahaha

@ingridayarza 5 лет назад

🤣

@kosukemiura1226 5 лет назад

aCtUaLLy iTs 4:15 /s

@resourcedragon 4 года назад

@@kosukemiura1226: didn't she say the pitch was even higher in Venice?

@Francois_Dupont 4 года назад

@@resourcedragon 460hz~

@journeymancellist9247 3 года назад

You neglected to mention the open trench frog. Fascinating video. Very much wish you’d play the opening of the G minor fugue on each violin

@saeidyazdani 4 года назад

This is the best video I have seen in 2019...no joke!

@VoicesofMusic 4 года назад

Thanks so much!

@luksvarg 3 года назад

Loved this content

@Gedagnors 6 лет назад

Thank you so much!

@AriannaCunningham 4 года назад

Well I play Modern Violin, I don’t play baroque. It would be very interesting to play on a baroque violin as a violinist myself.

@simach4412 6 лет назад

Amazing job, very interesting :3

@mehranmosley 6 лет назад

Thanks for these mini-educational videos for the novices like me.

@FMIII-pj5bv 6 лет назад

Cool video Lisa. I'm a lot more knowledgeable about violins now. BTW Ellyn and I really enjoyed sharing pizza with you and everybody at Uncle Joes' this past November. Thank you!

@beepot2764 6 лет назад

I love this channel

@lesgibson969 6 лет назад

great content

@vnekliaev 7 месяцев назад

Great! Thank you!

@VoicesofMusic 7 месяцев назад

You are welcome!

@uansu5132 6 лет назад

i like baroque

@c.g.marseille4510 5 лет назад

Thank you !

@kosukemiura1226 5 лет назад

the face modern lisa does when baroque lisa plays her strings

@coldashell7057 4 года назад

R/boneappletea “Modern Lisa”

@lopkobor6916 4 года назад

@@coldashell7057 Lmao mona lisa

@ttaibe 6 лет назад

I prefer the baroque violin. Modern violins and their high pitch sound too cold even too shrieky to me. This one made me crinch. Before this video I always asumed I was listening to a viola when I heard the lower, warmer, pitch. Thank you for this video!

@hsuhorn 5 лет назад

ttaibe just tune a modern violin by a half step down and it will sound baroque

@hsuhorn 5 лет назад

XDranzer000 what no but baroque music in baroque tuning tends to not use much vibrato

@brumm3653 5 лет назад

@XDranzer000 VIbrato is in the fingers.

@YourSybariticWren 4 года назад

Go WitH viOla You CaN gEt à NicE RiCh toNe aNd haVe à NicE ranGe wIthOut ShrieKs

@deirdre108 2 года назад

@@YourSybariticWren Viola is my personal favorite of the Viol family.

@c.g.marseille4510 4 года назад

thank you Lisa !

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

And also thank you Lisa!

@waynechurchill7212 5 лет назад

Great info

@VoicesofMusic 5 лет назад

Thanks!

@canadiansoul9401 4 года назад

Amazing Video :)

@VoicesofMusic 4 года назад

Thanks!

@RosssRoyce 5 лет назад

Supernice!!

@user-lu4ce3eu2n 6 лет назад

your smile looks so happy!!!

@DOBEAGAIN Год назад

Excelent vídeo. And Jean Philippe Rameau.

@wuggi8603 5 лет назад

Nice, thank you very much, but i was hoping for some more demonstration. So I could have heard the diferrence better.

@VoicesofMusic 5 лет назад

Good idea!

@michaelmoss267 3 года назад

4:10 I love how she transitioned from English to French

@arnoldrivas4590 4 года назад

Baroque TwoSetViolin.

@anibalconcha6612 6 лет назад

Very interesting

@bakarka 6 лет назад

It seems wrong to me that the historic instruments played by the most famous modern violinists today have been altered and are played with metal strings. That is not how they would have sounded when they were made. Would the makers who knew only gut strings recognize their "metallic" sound today?

@Ekvitarius 6 лет назад

No, gut strings sound warmer and grittier, and more organic and resonant. Modern metal strings sound more metallic, cutting, silky, and smooth.

@RafaelRDias 6 лет назад

Que vídeo lindo s2

@daniellbondad6670 6 лет назад

I've read that the common way to hold the violin in the Baroque era,was on the chest. It limited flexibility,which made it hard to reach higher.So,fingerboards were built shorter back then.

@VoicesofMusic 6 лет назад

It doesn't limit flexibility, really, this was the way Paganini played.

@daniellbondad6670 6 лет назад

+Voices of Music It might be because of his unusually long fingers. In what I've read,it is claimed that since it is hard to reach very high positions,there was no need for those.

@Rangel9383 3 года назад

Perfekte Erklärung !

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

Tx!

@dagoelius 5 лет назад

Now I understand why I like baroque so much.

@jeremimayhuire7928 6 лет назад

I prefer the baroque violin

@fitnessbrotherade2959 6 лет назад

Why looks so big the violin???😕

@billstewartbill 6 лет назад

They are normal size and Lisa is not a large person. You should hear her play!

@fitnessbrotherade2959 6 лет назад

Bill Stewart ohh i see. Tks for the answer..

@hori166 6 лет назад

She must be really petite! I thought those were violas, but they sounded like violins. I wonder what it would look like if she held a viola...

@billstewartbill 6 лет назад

She often plays viola, and has a particularly pretty one.

@wofi784 5 лет назад

I was thinking the same thing, they look like violas

@100crowns6 6 лет назад

Very interesting indeed! However,I wouldn't class Le Chevalier St Georges as a baroque composer as such,although,he undoubtedly had baroque set up,at least for most of his career. Lisa,all told,you've won again,keep it up!!

@VoicesofMusic 6 лет назад

Yes, there's a lot of different kinds of overlap. The baroque style extends through the early works of some classical composers, and the classical style extends through the early works of romantic composer, for example, Beethoven's first violin sonata.

@100crowns6 6 лет назад

+Voices of Music Who was the last baroque violinist and also the first modern violinist? Easy. Nicolo Paganini. The last important violinist to play exclusively his own music,and the last to play senza chinrest. Overlapping. Dead right!

@VoicesofMusic 6 лет назад

Always worth remembering that Paganini played all that music without a chinrest....amazing.

@100crowns6 6 лет назад

+Voices of Music Also worth remembering is that Paganini had Marfan Syndrome which gave his hands and fingers incredible extendibility. He held the fiddle with his left hand at around the 3rd/4th position area and extended back and forth accordingly. He had no need of any mechanical support. Look at most of his pieces,they all start off in the 3rd position area..... As regards his LH some of what he did would look rather wierd by our present day concepts

@100crowns6 6 лет назад

+100crowns More 'baroque' Paganini! In 1810 Nicolo purchased the 1680 Dessaint Strad. It was still in baroque condition and remained thus until Vuillaume converted it in 1853,13 years after Nicolo's passing! Paganini left behind enough fiddles etc to sink a ship. Many were still in baroque state. He played his cannone with transitional set up with a few ideas of his own.

@Mr.56Goldtop Год назад

Really interesting! But we need sound comparisons!

@marcussfebruary9104 6 лет назад

Talk about the harpsichord!! 😁🎹

@VoicesofMusic 6 лет назад

OK!

@marcussfebruary9104 6 лет назад

Voices of Music love all the posts and educational videos,thank you😁🙌

@mikegarwood8680 3 года назад

I'm still looking for a version of the "Four Seasons" played Baroque Fiddle Style.

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZPdk5GaIDjo.html

@mikegarwood8680 3 года назад

@@VoicesofMusic Play it as written. Hold your fiddle like this. Looks more natural. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CWS6fXU79wc.html

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

I think this is as far as we go, but you never know .... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-v9FiIdTJVjU.html

@michaelreaper666 6 лет назад

Thanks .. interesting .. :)

@TheSammadan 4 года назад

i prefer baroque violin ♥️👍🏼 thank you for your vedio i have learned a lot

@VoicesofMusic 4 года назад

You're welcome 😊

@hernandezvencesdaniel472 5 лет назад

I want a new baroque violin . Do you have an idea if i can buy a new baroque violin in Mexico?

@robinormond7344 6 лет назад

Well done! Have any of the "great" instruments by Amati, Strad, etc, NOT been modernised (and where can we hear them?) What about the great instruments sitting in museums? (Horrors!!) Thanks!!

@VoicesofMusic 6 лет назад

There's a small number of Strads that still have the original necks, but even these have been modernized--the necks were cut down and reshaped at a minimum. There's one original viola by Strad, I believe.

@deirdre108 2 года назад

Museums often loan their violins to national and international touring artists. A great instrument deserves to be heard and not mute in a glass case.

@Rafael-iv9qw 6 лет назад

What is the music played on baroque violin?

@VoicesofMusic 6 лет назад

Bach: Fugue from Sonata for Solo Violin in G minor

@willlexie 4 года назад

TWOSET BROUGHT ME HERE, now I understand why.

@VoicesofMusic 4 года назад

Thanks for visiting!

@lekhapratap1652 5 лет назад

She’s so cool.

@hernandezvencesdaniel472 5 лет назад

I want to buy a barroque violin, where i can buy it?

@AriannaCunningham 6 лет назад

I think the Baroque Violin is the best!

@MiMi-xh6rz 6 лет назад

I'm a pianist but this is very interesting

@songfulmusicofsongs 3 года назад

And which composers wrote for the modern violin?

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

There is a nice sonata for violin and piano in F minor by Samuel Barber.

@idraote 5 лет назад

Nice video. A typo to correct: PAOLO Antonio Testore, not Paulo.

@VoicesofMusic 5 лет назад

Thank you.

@marinahla7651 2 года назад

What was the piece that she played on the baroque violin

@salamonthegreat 2 года назад

J.S Bach Violin Sonata No.1: Fugue

@Harpsichord246 6 лет назад

Saint George was actually a classical era composer. Alive roughly at the same time as Mozart.

@VoicesofMusic 6 лет назад

Absolutely, though some of his works have baroque elements, just like C.P.E. Bach. There's a little bit of overlap, as he was playing concertos when Telemann was still alive, but he was contemporaneous with Mozart.

@MrAranton 6 лет назад

The modern violin came up around 1800. So most composers of the classical era still only knew baroque violins. So while not being baroque composers, they still composed for baroque violins.

@hudsoncampos5976 3 года назад

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

@Le_Furret 6 лет назад

Play some caprice #24!!

@kitsomoreeng03 2 года назад

Isn't the modern violin tuned to A =442

@scoobydid4824 2 года назад

Nope it was standardised to a=440 around 1939

@booates 9 месяцев назад

wow her and styropyro look so a like

@threesidedtriangle1798 5 лет назад

i didn't even notice it was two different people until the very end lol

@VoicesofMusic 5 лет назад

These are baroque bows; we made a video about the differences. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tW7TcX8Lx_s.html

@teentheblue3644 6 лет назад

Still til' this day I don't know how to shift position on Baroque Violin, it seems like it only just stays in 1st.

@VoicesofMusic 6 лет назад

Crawl the hand forward with the thumb

@teentheblue3644 6 лет назад

+Voices of Music That would only work on moving from lower to higher, not the opposite, especially when you actually hold violin sticking right upto your chest which is lower than regular chin off

@VoicesofMusic 6 лет назад

Use the same process in reverse to lever back with the thumb. But you know, we should make a video.

@teentheblue3644 6 лет назад

Indeedly, it'd be a ton of comprehension.

@tia283 3 года назад

Uh-oh, I just bought a baroque bow for my modern violin. What should I do?

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

Practice 40 hours a day.

@Metalovai 3 года назад

What camera was used to film this video?

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

Hmmmm I think we had a Lumix G7 a G85 and a Sony ax100. G85 is still a decent camera.

@Metalovai 3 года назад

@@VoicesofMusic Thanks for the answer! I liked the image coming out of it, so I asked. Have a nice day!

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

I think in this case image is mostly due to using a pair of high CRI lights, but we do like the Lumix G85 even though the tech is a few years old. Even with the 14-42 kit lens the camera produces very good video.

@Metalovai 3 года назад

@@VoicesofMusic Yeah, sensor doesn’t mean much when the source is good.

@k_alex Год назад

Good example how "progress" is not always progress.

@VoicesofMusic Год назад

Right?

@ckavishkaranasinghe 5 лет назад

there are violins or violas?

@VoicesofMusic 5 лет назад

Violins.

@CanaldeArquitetura 6 лет назад

Eu prefiro o violino barroco.

@johnroblox5210 Год назад

Baroque violin is pitched at A415

@zacharybond23 6 лет назад

Baroque Obama.

@fuckuimnoreply 4 года назад

Hahahaha

@jonathanpineda5968 4 года назад

@@fuckuimnoreply Funny

@charliegabs 4 года назад

@jimquim1574 3 года назад

Ehhh..... Meh

@zacharybond23 3 года назад

@@jimquim1574 I actually don't know why I made this comment. It must have been a random thought that I have had.

@lesbsocal9107 4 года назад

So then the Stradiveri are baroque fiddles. But some of the surviving Strads are played in symphony orchestras. That's my impression. Am I wrong here?

@VoicesofMusic 4 года назад

Sadly, the Strads were almost all literally chopped up and modernized in the 19th century. A real tragedy.....

@lesbsocal9107 4 года назад

@@VoicesofMusic Yikes, the arts version of the "chop shop". That is a tragedy, almost sorry I asked.

@ApaOFF 4 года назад

@twosetviolin

@tomvaughn8505 5 лет назад

This is cute!

@xii-f-27-wibisanaandika70 5 лет назад

0:58 bwv 1001

@fernwehn5925 4 года назад

THANK YOU I LOVE YOU

@patriciajrs46 Год назад

Why do you choke up so far on the Baroque bow? Aren't your fingers supposed to be down on the end of the bow?

@VoicesofMusic Год назад

As you wish!

@VoicesofMusic Год назад

We made a video about all the bows, baroque, classical and modern: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tW7TcX8Lx_s.html

@drystroke7896 5 лет назад

#415isdawae

@steviebegger8968 6 лет назад

Damn long bow

@saeidyazdani 5 лет назад

OMG TWINS!

@EuniceCChina 3 года назад

At the end of the video I just realized they are the same person 🤣

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

It was really hard to stop laughing when we made this video.

@EuniceCChina 3 года назад

@@VoicesofMusic ☺️

@breadaddict5057 5 лет назад

I wanna buy a violin but im baroque 😏

@calebcpark 4 года назад

Both of the violins looks like a full size viola rather than a violin. It’s is noticeable bigger than a full size violin, maybe it’s just me.

@VoicesofMusic 4 года назад

It's just you. And the fact that Lisa is small.

@veemusique8730 3 года назад

they never said anything about the fine tuners...

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

Bummer.

@salamonthegreat 2 года назад

If you maybe just take a look at the tailpiece there are no fine tuners on the baroque violins.

@sophiea285 5 лет назад

Bar-oh-que?

@bany1688 4 года назад

How is she playing the Baroque violin if it's baroquen?..... sorry.

@VoicesofMusic 4 года назад

Again? You sound like a baroquen record.

@bany1688 4 года назад

Voices of Music internet problem, thought it didn't send! (was supposed to delete my comment, but now I won't, not with that comeback 😹)

@turkikaboha9478 6 лет назад

You girls look alike are you twins

@VoicesofMusic 6 лет назад

Identical twins.

@turkikaboha9478 6 лет назад

Voices of Music I knew it!

@crixxxxxxxxx 3 года назад

Baroque Lisa should've been in period dress.

@jericoloreno7244 6 лет назад

First

@poo_8857 6 лет назад

You’re such a small woman. The violins look so big.

@oscarwattsoboe 3 года назад

It’s pronounced barok

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

Certainly note!

@bany1688 4 года назад

How is she playing the Baroque violin if it's baroquen?................ sorry.

@VoicesofMusic 4 года назад

ack.

@journeymancellist9247 3 года назад

Sure looks like a viola. Awful big

@VoicesofMusic 3 года назад

not a viola :)

@journeymancellist9247 3 года назад

@@VoicesofMusic yeah I know you know what you’re playing… but sure looks big anyway. Loved the video, but really wanted to hear the g minor fugue on each violin. The baroque pitch is so much more gentle and peaceful. Haydn concertos on the lower pitch are just glorious. BTW who made them? Is the Baroque example,original or a modern repro?