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Thanks Erik. I shoot Benchrest with Speedy and when Speedy Talks - People Listen. I appreciate you putting this video together. I believe everyone can benefit from learning how to properly clean their rifle barrels regardless of the discipline they shoot. Keep them coming!
While shooting benchrest are you holding the rifle in any way or is it on its' rests and you only look through the scope and touch off a very light trigger?
Taint nutt'n. I shoot the word with Jesus, cuz we friends, and when Jesus talks - People better listen. Dang, I sure wish they would start making barrels out of something harder than bronze, say steel perhaps. I especially hate it when the end of my barrel gets all belled out from the brass and fiber rod materials, harummppfff! Yes, I know even water will wear away a mountain and that is why I never use anything liquid in my barrels. Moral of the Story: Sometimes even the best shooters may be prone to shoot'n the BS. Just a tad skeptical. If you can provide legitimate documentation that normal use of a bronze brush will ruin a barrel I will humbly apologize as I'm not to proud to admit that I am wrong, even if Jesus is my friend. ;-)
@@14goldmedals I shoot both light and unlimited class 1000yd benchrest at Williamsport, Pennsylvania. When I shoot my shoulder is just against the but plate without putting any shoulder pressure against. If you put shoulder pressure against you will get all kinds of vertical and horizontal dispersion in your groups at 1000yds. I let my face just barley touch the stock but again no pressure against it the stock. Then my hand is just around the pistol grip area on both my wheeler LRB stocks with again no pressure. Both rifles have Jewell benchrest triggers set under 2ounces
@@OlTrailDog RU-vid randos that don't have the winning records of somebody like either of these two guys to fall back on while attempting to throw shade on them are even more prone to shoot'n the BS. How many of these benchrest shooters at the top of their game can you name who are still using bronze brushes? Know ANY of them? They aren't cleaning the barrel on a Remington or Winchester hunting rifle that only gets fired a few times a year - and gets cleaned a lot less than that. Nice thing is that we all get to decide who we think is more likely to be accurate in offering their advice and opinions. Guys who have been winning matches for decades... or RU-vid randos.
Lock ease, I'll have to get some of that for my old 300 rum. I've had it since 2005. The barrel looks like and old chip and tar road with large cracks and pot holes. But it still shoots awesome. I made 8 out of 20 shot impacts at a mile on a 2'x2' plate with it. And I see your tapered tuner is sold out. When are you thinking you'll have more available?
I have never understood the 'wait till accuracy falls off' to clean. As Speedy said, most of those shooters can't shoot well enough to know when accuracy falls off in the first place. I know this: if I start with a clean, cold barrel every time, that is a constant. I can't comprehend how shooting a dirty barrel helps anything. Thanks Eric and Speedy!
I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not exactly right to say “wait until accuracy falls off” - these folks figure out how many rounds they can shoot consistently before accuracy falls off and then they always clean prior to that point.
Short answer: Depends on what you are shooting at. At distance, consistent velocity becomes a greater issue than rifle grouping size. Slightly dirty barrels have more consistent bullet speeds.
Thank you Eric for this and all of your videos. I am new to centerfire competition shooting and reloading. You do a great job of sharing knowledge and presenting these concepts in a way that someone new can understand. I see a lot of people explaining these concepts/methods/procedures in an overly complicated way that confuses and discourages new shooters. If you don’t understand how something actually works, you just end up copying what others do, not understand if it’s a good or a bad idea. Strong buildings are built on solid foundations. Thank you for your continued assistance as I am beginning to build my shooting foundation.
In PRS you need to go about 250 rounds without cleaning. If you clean between day 1 and day 2 at a lot of matches you will have no fouling shots available starting day 2. Your first 3 to 5 shots are generally at a lower velocity after a cleaning and this can mean a terrible first stage of day 2. The reality of PRS is that 1/2 MOA is all that is needed to hit every target. Our rifles will stay 1/2 MOA for well over 250 rounds so don't worry about cleaning until after the match. I like to clean my barrel before a 2 day match and have at least 20 rounds fired before I start the match.
I'll disagree with everything you just said. 1 after cleaning the barrel has less resistance, so in my case I get higher velocity. 2. Most ranges have a 100 yds line or more before the match starts, both days for people to shoot before the match starts, so you can foul your bore and get dope. 3. Depending on the powder and barrel combo you might have to clean after the first day. I use winchester staball because I can find it and it's affordable and it yields great velocity with single digit ES SD numbers across a 10 shot string. The down side is its dirty. I tried going 2 days with out Cleaning and got a carbon ring built up which was grabbing the bullet and creating erratic pressures. I got a 0 on 1 stage, a 2 on the next and a 3 on the next stage. Then it broke and I cleaned the last stage which was a prone long distance stage, from 1000 out to 1250. My point is if I cleaned that rifle I wouldn't of dropped 20 spots on the 2nd day. It cost me big time. But it all depends on powder and barrel combo, for me I will clean every single day
@@joemass1023 and so what. If you read what I posted how is what I'm saying wrong? If I could get a cleaner burning powder then I would def clean less but I can't. And im not paying gunbroker prices for H4350 and I don't have the time to Hover on the internet looking for a deal on the right powder. So for me cleaning at 250 rounds is not gonna happen with the powder I got. In most of my rifles with a clean bore coated in lock ease I will get higher velocity untill it's fouled. IDC if he's a top shooter I have opinion on what works and he has his
I'll never shoot benchrest. I doubt I'll ever participate in any matches of any kind at all... I like to go out and ring steel at extended range, so if I can stay within 1/4 to 1/2 moa I call it good. But, if I work up a load that stacks them all in one hole I won't be mad... but I don't obsess over it. However, listening to Erik and Speedy has definitely helped improve my shooting. So I always listen to the lesson. For me, getting better for the sake of being better is more valuable than medals or accolades.
I was thinking about this video, Very well done, You keep going back to PRS shooters. Bench rest is a art and science,scores are measured in tenths, and it doesn;t matter the distance 25 yards or 1000 yards. A clean barrel is a happy barrel. F class hit the bloody 10 ring the most amount of times at a given distance. Both of these events gives the shooter plenty of time to clean or reload rounds between rounds. Its a rich mans sport. PRS as you know is a timed event. Maybe 20 stages at different distances. One doesn:t have time between stages to as I would say Piss About. As you know in PRS all you have to do is hit the target . A rifle of this type of build costs about $7500 Scope included. 1500 rounds throw the barrel away. Why clean it. New barrel is about $350 to 500 ready to go. I went to a PRS meet at Rockland Precision in Rockland PA . Spoke to the shooters. The majority of them all say the same thing about cleaning Why bother I'm not shooting groups. Hopes this helps you understand. Luck to you.
Great video Erik! First, I shoot PRS, and I clean my barrel to some degree after every session...If that's 50 rounds of practice or a 100 round match, I at least run some patches and give it a good brushing. A "light" cleaning doesn't seem to affect my first round accuracy. After a deep cleaning, 5 shots and I'm back on track. I also look at the carbon ring and assess how bad it is and then deep clean for that ring. I tend to believe that the pros saying they "clean every 500-600 rounds or when accuracy falls off" are, well, maybe not telling us the real story. Thanks again for getting one of the greats to give his perspective along with yours.
Dang. I got so much out of this video! Thanks Eric! More videos of you and Speedy talking about accuracy subjects please. Folks stay to the end to get some tips on accurate hand loads too.
Thanks a lot. I was under the impression that most BR guys and lots of F-CLASS(You included Eric) used some sort of abrasive bore paste(JB or IOSSO) to facilitate quicker cleaning. Is this no longer the case or just Speedy's preference to avoid it? I can imagine that if you're cleaning every 20 rounds the small amount of fouling may let the solvents do the job by themselves.
@@comagutsa Thanks, I actually shoot BR in Canada but only for score and my local guys generally clean to bare metal after each match(35-40) rounds depending on sighters). I was just curious if there had been a recent change and why that would have taken place.
Patch out got everything out of my old mosin Nagant hunting rifle and with my reloads it shoots better than a new hunting rifle. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Great vids man
so much great information here. I shoot with a BR hall fame shooter as well. The knowledge you can gain from these folks is invaluable. Also, in the future it’s our job to pass it down. I use a Mike Lucas bore Guide. For any new shooters out there. The BORE GUIDE. is sooo soooo important. Always make sure you’re cleaning with one. great video!!
Speedy says PRS shooters don’t shoot well enough to be able to tell if their rifle is falling off? I’d like to see Speedy shoot a PRS match. I respect Speedy and his knowledge but that was cheap.
I don't know anything but I got that in BR he wants his groups to be the size of 1 bullet, where in PRS the group is whether the steel is hit or not, harder to tell if group begins to widen until you've missed the steel and lost the match
@@johnh4957 I get that BR is a different game, but he spoke to ability, not rules of the game. I’ve said for years that one MOA will win every PRS match because the positions are the challenge. I guarantee you put speedy in that environment and hand him your typical open rig, Speedy wouldn’t be able to tell if the rifle was falling off from its .2s and .3s at baseline to .5s during a match. On the flip side, on the rare paper stages and zero confirmations, we can tell if our rifle needs cleaned. I appreciate and agree with both men’s position to clean before a barrel falls off, but not Speedo’s motion about the ability of PRS shooters.
@@graynotescartridgebox Nothing to do with ability but the level of precision required. PRS shooters aren't going to notice a quarter of an inch increase in group, it doesn't matter to them, a BR shooter will definitely notice. Horses for courses.
I have to remind these guys often that it’s not about waiting until accuracy falls off…it’s figuring out where the accuracy typically falls off and then always cleaning prior to that. In my experience it’s just as consistent as cleaning after every range trip.
Strange,,,moisture was one of the evil, attributes of Molly, it was said that moisture would get behind the Molly and do bad things to a barrel I think Molly would have been better if it had a higher burn tolerance to temperature in place of Molly I use hexagonal boron nitride better known as HBN it has the same cold bore shot attributes as other people have already stated when speedy talks people listen he's a great guy
Things change. Over time, solvents, equipment, and techniques improve and get refined. Dad was NBRSA National Champ in '75 or so, and my family would be at a match almost every other weekend when I was growing up. I was at Skunk Creek Range the day Mac McMillan shot his "almost perfect" group. Back then, we scrubbed the bores with bronze brushes dipped in Hoppe's No.9, dried it with a patch, and called it good. Thanks to you and Speedy for this.
I agree. I learned that older method too. I've been cleaning rifles this old way for so long. Now I feel like an idiot and not researching this sooner. He uses so little materials I'm sort of befuddled. There are so many other different methods out there.
Great video Erik! Speedy is an incredible guy, and his rifle knowledge seems endless. It’s also pretty cool listening to someone who is as nice as a guy can be.
I've been using Speedys cleaning routine with great success for many years. I will add that while this most always applies to match grade barrels, it doesn't always work as well on factory barrels. I've had several hunting rifles (with questionable bores) that needed to be heavily fouled before they would shoot well. You'll have to experiment if you have such a rifle. Thanks again Speedy!!!
I would be interested in hearing comparisons to 22lr benchrest shooting and cleaning. Most don't reload .22lr ammo. The pressures are a lot less. Any observations he might have would be interesting to hear.
Poor Speedy , he cleans so much that even just standing there his arms are still going back and forth . Kidding , seriously thank you sir for sharing your knowledge with me . Just watching the 3 videos you guys made together is a blessing ! Speedy Sir , that smile is Awesome !
When you have a fancy rig to hold all your cleaning rods you're in the big leagues!!! LOL This was a great video I love learning the reasons yall do what yall do even though I don't do any of it it's just interesting to me.
Another great video Erik. The thing about filling up the cracks with graphite was new. I did not pick up what Speedy use. Was is a mix with Kroil and graphite powder?
Thank you Erik for this video. There are 1000 videos on barrel cleaning techniques and products on RU-vid, while we small time shooters don't know who to trust. We can trust Speedy's method, because the effectiveness of his technique is manifested in his PRS achievements. Many thanks for this video.
amazing video.something i did notice is when he uses the nylon brush,he pushes it towards the muzzle and then he pulls it back towards the chamber.Doesnt that usually damage the crown? maybe nylon brushes are more forgiving to crown damage? just enquiring. On the other note i love your videos and its really helped me improve my shooting.
If your brass brush is scratching your barrel, you have a shitty barrel. There is no way on earth that could happen with modern barrels. But what am I talking about, you will certainly prove it to us, right?
As a non-competitive and not even frequent shooter, I still get so much out of these informational videos. I will say I did have trouble understanding Erik‘s commentary and words. I don’t know if it was my degrading hearing as I get older or microphone location. Possibly others had the same issue. Thanks for posting.
Great information! Much appreciated. What brand, or run of barrels or makers do you suggest? Knowing that every barrel is unique... Into BR.. Pretty new to this.
Hi, Erik. Just finding this video. Very valuable information. Someone down below mentioned Hoppe's #9. Do you find that there is a particular solvent, or line of solvents that work the best, or better than most? I had been using Lucas Bore Cleaner & the Lucas Gun Oil, but recently picked up Bore Tech Eliminator, Copper Remover, and Carbon Remover. Do you have experience with any of these 3 brands? I know Hoppe's has been around for years, but I've never used it. Is it super corrosive? All the bottles on the store shelves seem to melt the label off. Also, do you agree with Speedy that Iosso make the best brushes? I also picked up a digital borescope recently and can see how this will be a very valuable tool moving forward. Thank you, Tyler
It is always a privledge to see and hear from Speedy G! An unbelievable BR marksman and good guy, to boot! A credit to shooting sports!!! Thanks for the cleaning tips and demonstration Speedy and thank you Erik for great interview questions and being the video host!
What kind of cleaning stand is he using, and where can they be purchased. It's been the toughest part of putting together maintenance gear for a deer rifle.
@@ertatta Well…….respectfully.......that’s your opinion! Right? My point is/was, while I agree Speedy’s technique is accurate, and the best way to proceed in “Bench Rest”………what should the rest of us do? Those who don’t shoot BR? You know it’s not impossible that both techniques are NOT mutually exclusive! That is, Speedy’s technique for BR and the “Copper Equilibrium” technique both PRS/ELR both employ and work. Again. I believe Speedy is being accurate and truthful but, his BR cleaning regime/technique is all but useless for anyone else who doesn’t shoot BR! It’s just not practical for everyone to “scrub” the barrel after every 20 rounds! 😭 So, if you agree with that, then what is reasonable alternative?
Again, it’s not waiting until accuracy falls off to clean. It’s finding out when you know for certain that accuracy will fall off and then cleaning regularly before that happens.
Wow, what an awesome video. I just spent around 7 hours yesterday cleaning something I never seen before. Immediately at the neck in the Freebore ,a ring of build up that after 11 shots made it impossible to get a round loaded. I was guessing using a new oil in the barrel after cleaning caused it. I noticed speedy didn't put any in. I didn't when I was done this time either. I've learned soooo much in the last year off Erik's videos.
With all due respect to Speedy. If you're going to promote a product. You should know the name of it. Time 1:16 - 1:18. Anyone that's an avid shooter knows the cleaning products that cleans their weapons. AND if you have to be on the line in 20 minutes. How can you have the accelerator dwell for 20 minutes? This was just a promotion product video.
With a decent barrel it should be impossible for a bronze brush to effect or damage the steel barrel whether it's Stainless or Chromoly its a matter of hardness... I don't question speedy but that is old Fudd lore and bad/misinformation. Everything else he had said in this video is great!
I hate how the other disciplines look at PRS. We want our rifles as accurate as possible to remove that variable. The difference is that we are having to do it off a fence, rock etc. minute of plate is made exponentially more difficult with a rifle that doesn’t shoot well under 1/2 moa. I would venture to say if they came into your world they could compete just fine. I definitely respect you guys. But I wish you could show the same respect
I now "Turn the Cleaning Rod to Engage the Rifling." Doubt I would of thought that mattered. But like another person commented. "When Speedy talks, people listen."
What scopes do you guys run on your BR rifles ? Erik what do you run for F class ? Always great content by the way. Thank you for trying to share knowledge with the masses.
Thanks a bunch Erik! I've been searching for some of ISSO's products and some of the other components used here mentioned (I saw your link for the graphite, thank you). I'm having a difficult time finding anything. Where do you get your products? Can you put a link on any of your parts and products list up? BTW...your tuner brakes are awesome.
What borescope does Speedy use. I've Googled 60 degree looking forward borescope and came up with plenty of borescope links but none that specifically said 60 degree forward looking
With all due respect to all, this stuff does not work on hard carbon, I have EVERY product they make. I have Hawkeye and Teslong. Fire 150 rounds on that 6 PPC on a p. dog town, check your methods/Chemicals
If one shoots and knows their rifle long enough you will know when its out of normal POI. Again there are differnt forms of shotting technigues. But many times I have seen in others mistakes and even tried myself that a cleaned barrel will require to be fouled after some 2-3 or 4-5 shots. And you will see a POI change from a super mirror clean to a Fired one. I can't speak for F Class or Benchrest Shooters. But I'm tired if proving this to guys on the field in Hunting or Military diciplines.
Very good content. So what size brush to clean carbon ring works best for 308? You mentioned 6.5 works best for 6mm and it got me wondering, so my guess would be a brush typically used for 338 would be best for 308, however I’m always told these brushes are for all “30 cals”
......hhmmm.....seems not cleaning the brush each time would be like scrubbing the dirt around in the barrel...??....guess this shows,....like he said - "this is the way he does it",......so many ways to do it with ultimately the same results. I am left wondering - after all the cleaning bench rest shooters do, & the many ways, must certainly effect barrel life,..??...kind of like how long the paint job will remain "like new" on a car if you never wash it vs. thoroughly washing-out the rag or using fresh one constantly or washing the entire car by just slopping the same old dirty rag or mop into the bucket & washing the entire car with it....lol.....DEFINITELY believe in CLEANING barrels for any discipline. Thanks fer sharing.
great video on a top-of-the-line approach! I will borrow some tips but develop it DIY He has more $$ invested in his cleaning setup than I've spent on my rifle. LOL
As an average proficient shooter my biggest concern with not cleaning is potential damage during storage. I just don't feel comfortable storing my firearm dirty for months. Yeah, if I'm going hunting in two weeks and I want to maintain point of impact, sure, you don't clean. But to me storing a dirty barrel for months and months is asking for trouble. At least patch it out a few times with CLP to get rid of most of the carbon fouling and coat the barrel with oil.
I think it's interesting you spend that time to clean out the carbon to just go ahead and add it back in in the form of graphite. Seems like you youre cleaning out of paranoia more than actually helping, but im no pro so correct me on my reasoning if it's off.
Great video Erik, I have one question for you, do you clean your barrel to bare metal every time you clean it or is it mostly to remove carbon? Thanks again for all your knowledge.
When Speedy closed shop in Texas (without finishing my rifle build), he took my Rem 700 VSSF action with him. His old Co workers told me good luck ever getting it back.
What were they referring to at 18 min. 28 sec. Eric said something and then Speedy repeated it. Also what are they referring to as "establishing their E.s." Thanks
The idea that bronze brushes can't hurt the barrel never made any sense to me. Paper is a lot softer than scissors and your cutting board and vegetables are a lot softer than your knife, but somehow the scissors and knife still get duller over time. ;)
I have a 6.5 creed moor and I got 6.5 mm patches and 6.5 mm brushes and I have to force them and I don’t wanna without knowing if it’s ok for it to be very tight?
That was some EHXcellent gun cleaning advice!! Been shooting these kind of rifles since 1991. Think I'd developed a few bad habits along the way. Now that the kids are out of school, and all are married off, it's time to start backup.
I think most people that get into match shooting that don’t understand the gunsmithing side, see the barrel as being an ideal constant. They need to look at the barrel as a constantly evolving consumable, because it is. Each one has a personality. I shoot a lot of disciplines. I tend to pick and choose what cleaning I use based on what my individual accuracy tolerance allows for the given cartridge/weapon system. But I’m constantly evolving too. Last year’s “best thing ever.” Might be this year’s taboo. But when a benchrest shooter/smith says he does such and such, I generally take heed. He knows and understands accuracy in its most pure and maddening form. He reloads on the range for the conditions, not just reading wind. He understands mechanical accuracy better than anyone and he measures groups in thousandths not minutes. I might not be able to use it in the field. But you can bet I will at least try to implement it into my own process. Mr. Gonzales has forgotten more about precision marksmanship that most will really know. Appreciate him taking the time to share. When I first started my shooting career RU-vid wasn’t there and *some of* the guys that were winning weren’t as forthcoming. Thank you!
Thanks Erik & Speedy..Great Video. I clean my barrel after every ELR Match.We are not shooting F Class or BenchRest..We shoot from 1200 yards to 3,000 yards and farther.If we shoot a good groupon that 36 in x 36 in steelplate Im happy. There are much better shooters that me in ELR.Im pretty new to the ELR game. I do use my EC TunerBrake...LOL
