One of the most commonsensical conversations on Black improvement that I've ever heard. No emotion and no blaming. It's all about what WE CAN DO for ourselves.
@spot light Thats a mischaracterization. They do not run away from it. They choose to put emphasis on what folks can do for themselves. They're trying to empower people.
@spot light They don't. You can keep saying it, but that won't make it true. Zero people are denying that there's racism, but it doesn't matter. No matter what it is that may be an obstacle to you in your life, 85-90% of your outcome is up to you. Another thing to consider is that the vast majority of people talking about outcomes for black people are talking about racism & other outside influences. Why is it a problem that a small group of people is talking about personal responsibility? Both issues must be addressed.
@@bnjmnwst upward economic mobility in the USA is very low. this isnt true at all. a lot of people who are born poor stay poor. much more than 50 years ago.
As a Mexican American who once found himself on the left side of these topics, and through hard work has developed his human capital and is now reaping the rewards of that human capital, I agree with everything said here.
So.... American? In my Opinion, drop the Mexican American, you are my brother no matter what tone of skin you have or where your ancestors hail from, hell, even yourself. You come here, join us, become a citizen, you are one of us.
@@ThePersonToBlame probably he was born here ,and he is just describing his ethnicity by saying "As a Mexican American ....". In my case I am peruvian ,but I am a naturalized citizen since 7 years ago . Proud to be american since 7 years ago . Every year I feel less Peruvian and more American. I like my roots ,but I love being american . Indeed hard work and freedom take you far .
Glenn Loury needs a bigger platform. He should not have to apologise for making true statements. He should be applauded and given a bigger platform to speak the truth. We need more Glenn Loury.
The more I look for answers to questions about the problems to the black community. The more I find the answers that are not being explored, discussed, or even thought about. I have learned that the squeakiest wheel get the most oil. These professors of thought, logic, reason and of course bravery really need to be heard by the next gen. I got tired of hearing that the gov't isn't doing anything about our plight but our plight is not systemic, its not monetary, its not about the boogeymen that are hunting me down every time I walk out the door. I challenge anyone to comment how many times how racism affected you DIRECTLY. Whether it be lost of job, promotion, academically or just in plain out right in your face HATE for you as a black person? But that question is just really food for thought. Cause I really can't expect a HONEST answer from the internet
Charles i'm a American of african decent... I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!! you are absolutely right! there is so much i can say however to much text. soon im going to start a youtube channel to put another perspective
One young lady on NPR said she experienced racism "every day" by people asking to touch her hair. creepy and bad manners, yes, but racist? I would love to hear more voices of reason, so good luck guys. I hope to hear your voice, too.
@@HerrNiclas It may "happen to all kinds of people" but when it happens to whites there is no means of address, whereas if you are accused as a white person, you are likely to be presumed guilty until proven innocent. You have to expect racial discrimination and suspicion and even simple misunderstandings in a multi-racial society. It just goes with the territory; but there should not be two entirely different policies for dealing with it depending on which race you are. Until whites too enjoy equal rights under law, which they and they alone do not have today, the hypocrisy of our policies, both the de jure and the de facto, will continue to fuel white nationalism and similar movements.
"Soft bigotry of low expectations." So true... I should use that quote for misogyny. "Soft misogyny of low expectations." Absolutely hate when people condescend, pander and underestimate the potential of others.
Agreed. Modeling productive behavior for all Americans. It's so easy to feel bad about our society these days; all the incentives are in that direction. Grateful to the brave souls who remind us of our better angels and our responsibility to each other.
I'm an immigrant, originally from Singapore, an educator in the US for over 20 years now. I'm yet to hear debates like this on equality in education. When will we hear debates on the student's behavior, and not his/her race? This is refreshing!
Yet race can not be entirely excluded from the debate, as it plays a key role in identifying the reasons for recalcitrant attitudes directed towards authority figures by disenfranchised youths across all racial divides. The brutal truth is, black youths have witnessed the historic and systemic oppression of their parents and the emasculation of their fathers, and so have the white youths, with the exception that they can always fall back on "at least I am not black." Over time this has led to intergenerational self hate, each successive generation becoming less willing to accept their lot in the scheme of things, emboldened by technological advances promising the right to a share in the spoils of industry. This is especially true in the west, as each generation becomes increasingly resistant to social control measures implemented by a superstructure that has grown alongside them. Issues of race were never addressed at the inception of the Marxist model for social change and accountability, yet in their rush to make their point have uncovered latent tendencies of individual and collective hypocrisy and selfishness! ⚖🌍
I wish this would be more mainstream. We need to have more conversations like this! We only hear the same narrative, a different perspective is so refreshing and welcoming!
White middle aged male that lives in a neighborhood that is 50/50 white and black people. Middle class, working people. This conversation is how we live together, instead of apart. I don’t treat my black neighbors as infants or predators and they don’t treat me as evil and oppressive. We live in real life - not the internet and not for Fox or MSNBC toxicity - it’s my neighborhood! We all want to get along, look out for each other. I’d like to see more conversations like this where we just affirm respect for each other.
It's tragic that a conversation like this gets less than 10,000 views. If this video showed a racist cop beating up a black suspect it would have 10 million views.
@shmbbrkr That's true -- except you left out the part that no community in this country likes conversation that holds them accountable (liberals and conservatives are just two sides of the same counterfeit coin).
@russell d - asking a black man to think for himself is racist. Did you not know? To be a father to his children is also racist...there should also only be strong black women in the homes on govt cheese. Children who have gold in their teeth and could barely speak. And they all want reparations for their conditions.
OMG, a real conversation about our own responsibilities in our own future and how we should take ownership of it because...'grow up, no ones coming to save you!' I truly really needed to hear this.
While working my teachers license, I had to take a class on class discipline. The professor was black and gave us an article titled Why Young Black Boys are Disproportionally Disciplined in the Classroom. The article went on to say that it’s mainly white teachers who are teaching and they do not understand the culture of blacks and they miss interpret behaviors as being disrespectful or disruptive when in fact it’s just cultural. I felt like what she was asking us to do as teachers was to not hold young black students to the same standards that we would hold our white students to. To me this idea seems destructive because the very group that you want to help to be successful and to know how to be young professionals one day, should not be held to basic standards of behavior.
@@inspiredbeats You can understand the culture while still holding the child to the same standards as the other children. The methods and approaches may change depending on the child and their culture but at the end of the day the expectations should be the same across the board.
@@XxsonicfanxX60 No you cannot. You have it backwards. Teaching is not about holding people to standards. Teaching is about being able to show a person how to reach a certain standard. If you lack the understand of how that person learns or the cultural norms of that person, you are not qualified to teach them. My pets hold me to a certain standard, but they are not qualified to teach. Your children will hold you to a certain standard. Creating or holding someone to a standard and the ability to teach them to meet such a standard are two completely different things.
@@inspiredbeats So then why doesn't that apply to Asian students? AND why do black immigrants do better in America than native blacks? Also, are you implying that a black teacher can't teach a white student?
@@therealthreadkilla Its not an honest question. There are billions of Asians in the world, most are illiterate. You are taking the top performers, who happen to study up 4 or 5 hours per day and you are trying to compare them to the general population of African Americans. Nice try. I will say it again. If you do not understand the culture, you are not qualified to teach. Also Asians are far more interested in blending in and will adopt certain cultural norms. African Americans will not do that. Black people will only go to a therapist that is black in most cases. Understanding the culture is very important in the black community and its not up for debate. If you don't understand our culture, leave.
It made me cry in the last part when Glenn summarized the true issues, I cry; how far this country went away from the cord values; how bad it caused the damage!!! Keep up the good work; even though it head against the mainstream. I pray
I weep with you....and also pray for our beautiful country. If we were as horrible as the MSM says, why would hundreds of thousands want to come here LEGALLY & ILLEGALLY to improve their lives. That's just 'common sense' thinking. As my dad (born in 1914, lived through the depression, WWII, etc) said, 'the problem with common sense is that's it's not very 'common'
You people say went away from its core values??? Are you crazy or something it’s core values was racism it didn’t go away from anything it seems to be moving in the direction but just as racist as ever!
I only have two words to describe my feelings after watching and listening to this honest discussion of some of the issues facing black americans, refreshing and optimistic. Thank you gentlemen.
It appears to me that this discussion with the themes that it takes on, is an essential part of a mature and honest grappling with issues of race, identity, nationality and diversity. It goes beyond left and right politics, it takes a lot of listening and questioning of the assumptions we may have, and it also requires an open mind in the face of empirical evidence and the complexity of history and societal forces. It is so interesting and so important for us to engage with this.
Leftist media depends on Leftist blacks presented as "authentic" blacks and the voice of the black "community." But why Cornell West and Al Sharpton but not Clarence Thomas, Walter Williams ,Marva Collins or Thomas Sowell? Apparently, some blacks more equal than others, thank you George Orwell.
I would like to underscore the importance of jobs. Under Trump, locally I was seeing a transformation, black families in the grocery stores, Mom teaching her daughter how to shop, what to buy and why, little brother running around with Dad trying to chase him down and the pure look of joy on their faces gave me the greatest hope for the future of our country since Dr. King
It has never been more clear that these sorts of discussions, driven by intellectually honest people like Dr. Loury and Mr Riley are the only way we can expect to find sustainable solutions to any of our current challenges. The lack of tolerance in civil discourse is reprehensible, how can we expect to truly change anything meaningful in a society where we don't allow challenges to the orthodoxy? Should we have squashed honest discussion about gay rights 50 years ago? Absolutely not, and this was a clear questioning of the orthodoxy. A society without tolerant discussion is a society in desperate need of change.
If we talk any thing close to what mr Loury is saying our dear black friend would call us prejudices 😢I’m so glad some very intelligent educated person is saying this thing 👍
love to hear different views on the subject...wish they were more mainstream media as far as seeing them more often..need this conversation they bring up more widespread..thanks to both of them..
Concerning equal punishment concerning minorities in a school setting I'm wondering who does the stats ...I'm a minority...I worked for 4 minority school districts in long island New York... currently I'm employed by 2 of them...the board is minority the mayor is a minority and the staff is majority minority...and I can tell you first hand from a birds eye view that minority kids in the districts I have worked for seldom get suspended because the school does not receive funding if a bad seed kids behind is not in the desk..so it seems school funding for bad kids is more important than a premium learning environment for the kids who come to learn.. I have seen plenty of times also where these same kids do absolutely nothing in school but take up space and at the tail end of the school year the parents of these deviants come running up to the school accusing teachers of intentionally failing their kids and demanding some type of make up tests and work to squeeze their kids by even though these kids and their parents were no shows during parent teacher conferences...they pressure the principal and because some school districts want to cast an image of a model school district the superintendent will squeek the kid by...then the kid who is pushed through the school system expects society to be as yielding but soon gets a brutal dose of reality..most of the school discipline I have witnessed is administered when that child becomes a nuisance to administrators but as long as they torment the teachers and other staff it's never a problem and that's when the excuses come in..." Oh they come from a hard life to which I reply " so did that kid from Sierra Leone who saw his relatives killed in the blood diamond war...his life was 2 times worse than any inner city minority but he managed to get a straight "A" average.. or that Indian kid whose first language is not English but managed to learn it and achieve an "A"and "B" average...no excuses needed for them because they lack the anti intellectualism "you talk and act white" affliction many of our kids have ..and of course common sense dictates that multiple offenses in a school or public setting will reward the offender a stiffer sentence and I've seen it in my 20 plus years working as a school guard...they start this destructive attitudes and behavior against staff and security in school and when they apply this mindset towards law enforcement it goes downhill for them and then there is an uproar...people who accuse the school system of not educating our kids need to answer the question of why black or minority kids from other countries don't seem to have a problem with learning the school curriculum...as told to me by a mother from South India they realize the key to escape poverty is education which is what my father who grew up dirt poor in Savannah told me as a kid...and he also relayed to me that if he himself who grew up in the tail end of the great depression,Jim Crow and blatant racism could manage to navigate around obstacles while rising through the ranks to become a gunnery Sargeant in the Marines then there is no excuses for you in this day and time no to achieve something...but again...he and many in his generation did not have the anti intellectualism virus because education was his key out of poverty.
The most interesting and thought-provoking two hours I have spent in months. Ian Rowe is the kind of Principal / Head Teacher that every school should have. Make sure you listen to Glenn Loury's last sentence. Excellent.
I find it quite intriguing that so many of the greatest minds our nation has produced come from the field of economics. Walter Williams, Milton Friedman, and Thomas Sowell for example. Do great minds gravitate to the study of economics, or does studying economics instill one with superior logic?
I read about this in the book Range by David Epstein. He referenced a study that essentially tested critical thinking in college students and while none of the majors did particularly well, econ majors were the best because of the nature of the major. However, I do not doubt that those men were all incredibly bright beforehand but it's definitely possible that the study of economics helped them ascend to a higher level.
I think it's because it's the social science with arguably the most science but also still heavily embedded in the innovation and contemplation of ideas, specifically as they regard human societies, ethics, human decision making, etc. So, in other words, it tends to analyze social issues far more scientifically than do sociology, anthropology, etc. Thus, if you really want to understand the true stats of a society, ask an economist and he or she can tell you a variety of influences. If you ask a sociologist...well they'll just tell you it's racism, sexism, etc and ignore 20 of the other influences. Economics in this way has a natural shield against such ideological stranglehold as it's simply more rigorous of a social science. (Economics Bachelor of Science here :) haha)
@@ottam Yeah I have a few friends who studied Sociology. The thing about Sociology too is that it's not that there are not valid points and observations, it's just that it doesn't often go broad enough or in depth enough for some reason.
This is an outstanding discussion. If only, more Americans could have such an informative, thought-provoking, respectful, very civil, and intellectual discourse about our society's issues.
spot light - I YEARN TO HEAR THE TRUTH ABOUT YOUR CLAIM ON THIS 8TH. DAY OF MAY 2019 A.D. {{{{ PLEASE CONCLUSIVELY PROVE IT , AND SHOW ME YOUR SOURCES ???? }}}}.
@spot light - This current social and political climate supports what you are claiming , yet its accusations lack conclusive consistent evidence . If you can find some consistent patterns , you would probably get the support from your local representatives and corporations , and I would assist to help abolish the wickedness .
My ancestors arrived in Toronto from Quebec in covered wagons around 1825 or so. They were Catholic, French-speaking, and mixed Mohawk-Algonquin-European, moving into an Anglo-Saxon Protestant community. They passed as poor whites, though many were darker than whites, including my mother. In 1958, 133 years later, I was the first to get a university degree at the age of 28. We never had much in those days 80+ years ago because we never asked for or expected much. And in material things I have not gained much during almost 90 years. Never wanted much more than to see the world and the vast variety of people and places and cultures. Time. It took time to overcome the weight of centuries. We did not have a Martin Luther King to inspire us. Today it still takes time, but less time and struggle and fewer generations to join the cultural melting pot. The problem I saw as I was growing up is that people get discouraged and stop trying. I gave up more than once. Our problem was cultural. You have to be brave enough to leave the comfort of your peer group and your family. And you may have to pack a bag and spend time far from home where the opportunities are better for a person willing to exchange the culture of his neighbourhood for a place in the national culture. I have lived and worked in North, Central and South America, in North, West and East Africa, and many countries in Asia. Most people in these nations see America as the land of opportunity for people of all races and social classes. Most people in these nations adopt customs they see as part of American culture. But many Americans fall to see and understand what their nation has achieved. They suffer from myopia, nearsightedness. They are as fish in a tank, because they do not know and cannot understand what goes on outside the tank. And have no baseline to compare their own culture to what exists elsewhere. Often more horrific than most Americans can imagine. Not even being the same race can help you. Not if you belong to the wrong tribe, caste, social class, religion, or your ancestors belonged to the wrong trade, such as a leather-worker or garbage collector or undertaker. Or if 500 years ago, your ancestors came from a neighbouring country. Many Americans yearn for Utopia, a land that has never existed and never will exist And in doing so they fail to support and improve civil society in the land that has nourished them. They fail to appreciate that however frugal America has been to them, people in other nations envy them. I remember listening to WGR, the Buffalo N.Y. radio station across the lake and further west, to the exploits of Jack Armstrong, the All-American Boy. The thought never entered my mind that Jack might be red, white, yellow or Black. He was me and I was him. I am not an American, but a part of me still is that boy, still holding to the idea that America is great and has been great, at least most of the time, since Lincoln. I would have given my life for America as I would have done for my own country. And still would. Sorry there might be not much life left to give.
The best quote of this... I had to listen to it several times it's so amazing... " 'You don't understand how awful white people can be' ... And my thinking was, I'm starting to" 1:12:00
thank you for an intellectual conversation. I wonder why it is we have Womens' Studies, Native American Studies, Black Studies? why is it not just cultural studies where we look at all. I hate the womens history month etc. it just makes everything gender and race. We are one people!
People are not one. People are diverse. Historical populations are different from other populations. That diversity is to be appreciated and respected,… and not forced on one another.
Just to remind people of another minority widely discriminated against but ignored: Catholic Americans. One reason for the restriction on immigration was that the majority of European immigration was Catholic. One of the major targets of the KKK during the 1920s was the Catholic Church. Which is why many Southern states in the hitherto “Solid South”voted against the Democratic Candidate in 1928 because he was Catholic. It was the fear of “Catholic Power” that led the Supreme Court to forbid religious practices is the public schools and to restrict governmental aid to religious private schools. Of course, it affected all other religious bodies as well, carried to the extreme of forbidding prayers at sporting events.
@@TeaParty1776 The differences are substantial(not trivial, given basic sensical standards) in multiple factors to one degree or another depending on the comparison.
Very enjoyable to watch and learn from this talk. My best part was from approx 44 mins to 48 mins into the talk, and Professor Loury's speech at the end just WOW talk about prophetic.
Every week I work with mostly black women who are unmarried and pregnant. I help them get Medicaid and WIC. I keep asking what will change this poverty inducing cycle!
Justice Clarence Thomas came from deep in the Jim Crow south---growing up, he wasn't even allowed at the local library. He would walk, barefoot, about 10 miles to the only library that allowed blacks to enter and study all day. He studied his way through law school and all the way up to the Supreme Court. Dr. Carol Swain was born in a one-room, dirt-floor cabin and was a teen mom, high school dropout. She is now a renowned author and Ivy League graduate. I could go on and on. Attitude and hard work have everything to do with success or failure. It's easier to blame some big, faceless "oppressor" out in the ether, like "racism", rather than look in the mirror and say, "What can I do to make better choices? How can I improve my circumstances?"
You might mean well, but you perhaps unwittingly make a mockery of many Black Americans who duly applied hard work, earnest study and genuine merit yet were denied there fairly earned rewards due to race and color! White racism abuses are still very much a part of the picture. Don't be so easily fooled by a few visible display tokens!
Ugh. I'm Chinese American. Born and raised in Philly. I just read an article about 50 things Asians must to do help blacks (in this time of need). They defended affirmative action and said we Asians needed to defend it. Some sort of weird "guilt" thing (the author was Asian). I understand the argument for AA, but it is expected that Asians be against it because it discriminates more against Asians than even whites. Telling Asians they should be oppressed in the name of helping others rise up from their own oppression is the worst form of self inflicted guilt-trip I have ever encountered. And yeah, the Harvard lawsuit with respect to AA was controversial even within the Asian American community. Weird thing, politics.
@redwall1521 - so you believe Asians should also slowdown so blacks can catch up? LOL. IN WA blacks target Asians all the time to steal and mug them. And why exactly should Asians give negroes a pass...coz they say so? Everybody has to earn their place at the table, my friend. If you want to be treated as equal, then work for it. Booker T Washington has warned of this to blacks - if you take this w/o working for it, you will NEVER be equal. And he was right. When things are handed to you easily, you will not work as hard. - that came from Michael Jordan.
@@rabidfarmer9765 If you actually read my comment, you would know I'm on your side of being against AA. That author is Asian and 100% for AA. READ, GODDAMN IT
@redwall1521 - read your comment just fine. Im not agains them AA. I am neither for them or against. I will give them the benefit that they can rise up on their own power - same degree of freedom i give myself and everyone else. There are opprtunities in this country unlike any other in the world. If one doesnt flourish here, then it is on that person. Just dont expect me to be handing out shit. Got problems of my own...dont need theirs too. Blacks want people to feel sorry for them? That is the worse thing one can do to the human spirit - convince them they are handicapped. When i was in the military you can slow down when you cannot keep up...but NEVER ever give up...is all i am saying.
What a breath of fresh air! I'll be doing a video on my channel about the other Michael Brown. The media's obsession with the Black victim narrative is abhorrent. They refuse to promote any positivity as it relates to the Black community. I love the idea of teaching Pathways to Success. Students need to be aware of their choices and the consequences of life choices. It's EMPOWERING!
I’ve been saying these things since the death of George Floyd. The lack of fathers or other positive male role models in poor communities (of any color) is very detrimental to the development and success of the children. Statistics show this. And yet, no politicians or social activists will champion the reversal of this trend. Glenn and these other panelists are to be commended for their efforts.
Why is it most of the healthiest (mentally and physically) Black people I know are single with no children?I notice they tend to live longer and have a better quality of life. They also have a higher net worth. What does that tell you?Sometimes the truth is painful. I would tell young Black people. Of course go to school and get that education. Earn that money. But getting married and having children should never be a priority unless you are extremely wealthy first. Pure and simple. There is no margin of error for us.
Excellent and important discussion. One question: why oh why would they have chosen that man to moderate this discussion? His body language is incredibly intrusive, he interrupts at all the wrong times, and he seems out of touch with the people that he is speaking with. It looked like the three panelists were made uncomfortable by him.
@spot light it's also used as a slur against blacks who aren't afraid to honestly point out the areas where others could be helping themselves, instead of flailing about in a rage, blaming everyone else for their problems, whether legitimate or not. You're not responsible for the problems you were born into, but you're responsible for getting yourself out of them. Same as it is for everyone else.
It’s very clear-they start throwing out those kinds of names in order to defame the character of and discredit these people because that is ALL they are capable of doing, as they don’t have any facts to successfully argue/debate against people like these panelists bring.
They clearly speak to please white audiences! How many actual LEGITIMATE race grievances do they address regarding employment? There are many thousands of such cases filed every year! And these men try to pretend that all Black failures are SELF CREATED! It's BS!
Want to point out that I was using CC to watch this, someone says "Al Sharpton a quintessential figure" and the CC translated as "Al Sharpton a quintessential ''N" word". It's around 1:11:00 You might want to fix that!
@Robert Carlton We all know there are many underclass Blacks who sabotage themselves with bad life decisions along lines of negative social pathologies. Yet, we cannot pretend that actual legitimate race grievances are somehow nonexistent!
nobody is stopping you, you are writing comments here and you can talk to people anywhere with your computer. if everybody who wanted a nuanced discussion actually had that discussion then it wouldnt be an issue.
What I think is also a societal problem is how we digest and understand social media because really plays on our psychological weaknesses and predilections.
The #1 obstacle for black people is sections of govt trying to support them financially & not designing an avenue out of the welfare system. This grows dependency & buys a vote. This in itself is a racist protocol because the victims in the system have been labeled as being incapable of standing on their own 2 feet to make any decisions.
Yeah, I first heard him on the episode on Sam Harris's podcast and had to listen twice because it took me two listens to realize that he was sometimes just steel-manning the views of his opponents.
Meanwhile, Cardi B campaigns for Democrats whereas the speakers on this panel suggest that Democrats and "Black leaders" have a strong vested interest in keeping Black communities disproportionately poor and dysfunctional.
When I listen to conservative blacks speak I'm always confused as to whom they're actually speaking. I guess I agree with them if they're speaking solely to and about the media and some super-elite black leaders (but not all). I've been a black man all my life and have traveled in black circles all my life. When black folks get together and talk about education, economy, and crime we always stress personal responsibility. We acknowledge that the consequences of racism still exist but we criticize certain blacks constantly for not working, selling drugs, and committing other crimes. Humans are multi-taskers - we can both attack racism and self-assess at the same time. And for those who don't see this self-assessment happening it's because you're not in black neighborhoods. You're an outsider creating some character that doesn't exist and then attacking that character. Even you black folks - you don't hang out in black circles and you know nothing about what's going on in real black neighborhoods among real everyday black folks. So, if you really want to make a difference stop going tip-for-tap with these elite media outlets and roll your sleeves up, come in black neighborhoods and join the discussion and work that's already taking place. And if it doesn't make mainstream media that's not the fault of black folks.
@Torrey This "character" doesn't exist, eh? You sure about that? Have you been appointed the speaker for "real" blacks everywhere? One thing you didn't mention in your post was the problem of the virtue-signaling woke white "ally". Curious for your take.
Stanzavik I could write a book on these ridiculous terms that conservatives create which mean absolutely nothing - virtue signaling would be on the top of the list. I find it quite ironic that you’re willing to call me out on not being a representative for all blacks but then you’ll use a ridiculous phrase such as virtue signaling which literally implies that you can look into someone’s mind and character and determine whether they really mean what they say. This is an example of one of the biggest problems we have in this country today - not listening because you’re so intent on trying to form your pre-packaged comeback.
@@torrey2677 I agree that the other person was not speaking in good faith. Let me challenge you civilly and hopefully we can get a good, healthy and constructive discussion going. Would you say that your black social circle is representative of the black population at large, including in other cities and states? Likewise, you admit that there is a problem with the media's portrayal of blacks as perpetual victims, and I agree with that. Does that not contribute to a monolithical narrative that allows for a victimhood mentality for those who are inclined to choose it if it's presented to them, in your eyes? I admire your ability to see what you perceive to be objective victimization while not falling prey to its allure of the removal of personal responsibility, but I'd argue that most people (not just blacks) aren't that virtuous, and when a victimhood narrative is presented to them they would latch on to it, to their own detriment. What I'm saying is, essentially, that you aren't necessarily a better representative for black experience than these supposed outsiders just because your personal experience of a certain subset of that community is different than how they perceive it. Because while you and people around you talk about how horrible these phenomena of drugs and child abandonment are, you talking about them attests to their existence. Sorry if this is overly verbose (I have a feeling that it might be), English is my second language so when I try to speak it formally I usually overshoot by a mile. The intention here is not to "sound smart", as it were. By the way, virtue signaling is very much a real phenomenon, I know because I used to engage in it myself. I'd say you can usually tell when it's happening when someone's comment comes at the detriment of the ideal they allegedly stand for - I mostly see it with obnoxious vegans, a subset of vegans who make people want to eat meat out of spite and are ruining an otherwise worthwhile cause for their own self aggrandizement. Needless to say, what you did in your comment was not virtue signaling, not even close.
Great honest conversations, which need to have amount all "minorities" to look into our own "sins" in order to stop with the "victim" mentality and the blaming that comes with it (which causes resistance on the blamed, creating a vicious cycle that may be renter as "racism" when in reality is self-inflicted segregation and isolation which in turn produces social dissatisfactions). We all NEED to learn to own, face, and repair our own cultural sins before we start pointing our fingers at others if we are truly interested in unity and "racial" or "social justice".
The difference between these two men and most politicians is these men are looking for real solutions and have the courage to try leadership rather than just trying to hang on to their positions at the front of a crowd by following the crowd? We need people like these leading our society in how we think for ourselves! Sadly, the folks who should be here listening are out there screaming that they are victims!
As a black person, I consider this a very fair ratio. Most conservatives act like it doesn’t exist and liberals exacerbate the ratio and overly victimize themselves.
@@rainlakuma6443 True statements. I agree that certain vestiges of discrimination exists on the structural and individual level. Being a child of Indian immigrants I have faced discrimination from time to time. But the notion that in modern day systematically denies a group its rights is B.S. Even Al Sharpton admits that America is transitioning from an institutionally racist country.
The fact that Glenn Loury marshalls such a mass of factual, persuasive argumentation, together with his justifiable passion on behalf of his argument, in my opinion undercuts his pessimism regarding the prospect of future change.
I am pleased to amuse you,@spot light . Hostility to people of minority race, sexual orientation, and religion will always be with us; the issue is whether there is debilitating racism in the U.S. at present, and the evidence strongly suggests that anti-racism is a religious orientation rather than a rational attitude.
We can agree right away, @spot light that the anti-racism dominating the political arena (and, in my opinion, the anti-racism that was the subject of Glenn Loury's discussion) is an anti-racism of crackpots. My original comment, to which you appear to have taken issue, was that Glenn Loury both expressed discouragement about making genuine progress in expanding opportunity to all members of society and expressed that sentiment with such passion and conviction that the listener (me) was rather struck by the likelihood that his passion would be conducive to eventual success. Your list of successful corrections of racist practices in the U.S. business world only confirms that suggestion.
@spot light the message that Glenn Loury has been preaching, here and in other videos, is that the solution is not an enforcement of laws, nor a shaming of the majority population for failure to fix what's wrong, but a concerted effort to address the handicaps in the way of the education and accomplishment by black youth.
Two handsome smart males who have education, knowledge, and practical ways for us to make our country better where we can all get along better. I wish we were more evolved and able to see when we as culture are going down the wrong path. I think we need to look at why humans behave the way they do and take race out of it since we are clearly past slavery. We need to remember the horrors of course and never repeat. Poverty and the inability to afford a dignified life is part of the problem and divestment in strong civic communities. If we fix the vast wealth gap and quit giving welfare to the billionaires that have captured our government maybe that could be a start. Our government loves their corruption and would rather keep that and scream racism, sexism, ageism, etc. rather than deal with what the left likes to call "root causes." It takes courage to stand up these days. Thank you so much for this video.
I agree, absent fathers and glorifying / normalizing womanizing and irresponsibile men is a real contributor to poverty and brokenness in the Black community. Sadly marriage is a priority for nearly all women, just not enough black men, particularly those that sire children with women they have no desire to marry.
See the Thomas Sowell documentary on Netflix right now. He was raised in Harlem in the 50's and he said he had it BETTER than black inner-city kids today because families stuck together and the schools weren't crap.
@spot light I’d say #1 the gov’t is one of the few areas where they can afford to be racist in their hiring, don’t go for civil service jobs. That’s despicable if they wouldn’t hire you for your skin color. #2 I tried to get a job once from 5 different retail stores and I couldn’t get the job because I have 3-masters degrees and was working on my PhD. Hiring managers tend not to hire “more than qualified” people. They don’t stay long. It’s a better investment to hire someone who passes and you can keep longer and pay less.
