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Erin the Cat The funny part will be the shock that EV sales will have on the main stream in a couple years like it came out of nowhere.

Alberto Knox Will you miss internal combustion engines in motorcycle's once all motorcycle's are electric one day? For me it's that roaring noise the internal combustion engine gives when I'm driving in the car that I'll really miss but I'll enjoy the smoothness of the electric vehicle's more I think, i already prefer electric trains over diesels cos they're smooth.

Will I miss them? No. Today I have a 40 year old Honda in my crowded garage surrounded by more recent machines. All run better and are safer than the Honda but you know the older machine sounds "better" and draws more attention. One day I'll add an early '70s Norton 850. Just because better new technology is available doesn't mean appreciation for older tech dies. I still have a typewriter too, but mostly for decoration.

Alberto Knox do you think electric Motorcycle's won't have the same character as today's motorcycle's that are high revving, its the sound of the ICE when driving the car I'll really miss. I think there will always be some internal combustion engines around but not mainstream. Here In the UK they're set to ban petrol and diesel engines from 2040 so it's a long time away yet. And there's hybrids also that aren't included in the ban. Hybrids are best of both, electric and petrol engine. I've never rode a motorcycle but I love them and I'm told by some of my friends who are bikers that it's great fun riding. What bike do you ride? Is it the UK you ride in?

I live in the United States, in Texas, but I ride motorcycles through much of the country. Motorcycle technology advances quickly. It always has. There is much less investment to make a new type of motorcycle than a new type of car so that rapid pace of change has become normal. Motorcycles coming out this year are greatly improved over last year's bikes and bikes even just a few years old can feel totally outdated. Though I learned to ride on an old Honda when it was new the similar bike I have today feels genuinely unsafe when riding in traffic. See first video reviews, just now out, of the Ducati Pannigale V4 to hear how far technology has come with traditional engines. The greatest fun from EVs comes from the great whalloping wads of power that can be available instantly. When electric bikes can regularly exceed the performance of gasoline bikes at a price people can afford they will be adopted by the majority of riders, but not all. Many riders are fans of the Harley Davidson brand. Many call the HD bikes "classic" or "traditional." I call them poorly engineered, outdated, and assembled with wanton abandon. My opinion does not matter to harley riders. They actually prefer loud and unreliable to powerful and safe. In future years I'm sure there will be HD motorcycles with little sound systems attached to make powerful engine sounds, just like VW, BMW, and many other car manufacturers do today (yes, they really do pipe sound into the car through speakers to make it sound like something Jeremy Clarkson would drive).

Alberto Knox I'm not a fan of Harley's or that type of bike, my favourite motorcycle brand is Kawasaki, they make some gorgeous looking motorcycle's, and yeah I can imagine that they get safer year by year, it's like that with cars, it'd be like jumping into a car from the year 1999 then getting in a 2018 version of the same car, a whole lot has changed in that time. I knew they played sounds through the speakers, Renault do it with some of their cars too. Our cars here in the UK are different to yours in the USA, my favourite car from the USA is the Ford Mustang, I love it, it was a tad strange at first seeing right hand drive versions on our roads in the UK but I'm glad Ford brought it here. In terms of electric vehicle's, I believe they have sheer power right from the word Go. You Can feel how powerful electric vehicle's are when on a electric train, they don't half accelerate quick. If vehicle's will be self driving in the future though, what is the point in powerful electric vehicle's as people will just be passengers in effect. Don't see how autonomous driving could work with Motorcycle's though as you have to lean and shift your weight as you know and if a computer is doing everything, how can a person know when to lean and shift their weight? I think bikes won't be autonomous but cars etc... Probably will be.

New technologies often make people perhaps a little too enthusiastic. Think about the 1950´s, and that everyone in the near future was supposed to drive a nuclear car, because it´s practically free energy. But I think getting rid of the noise and other pollution, is something many have been eagerly waiting for. The geopolitics surrounding oil is probably also something, that won´t be missed once it´s gone.

zapfanzapfan he'll be dead by then in all likelihood. Looks like a walking corpse now.

TheAegisClaw he has enough money to have multiple vehicles and since he loves saloons and "Power!!" I don't think he would be disappointed by a model s p100d. Can always own a petrol for that awesome v8 sound though.

Clarkson buys EV. Next day is the end of the world ;)

Jeremy Clarkson : i would rather be dead than buying an EV car, especially Tesla.

Djone Tan just wait, your going to be wrong lol

Optimistic? Rather clouded perception through an ideological lens.

Michael Adams yeah living in sunny Queensland it's a bit sad we don't have charging infrastructure everywhere

maybe they simply think before they do something stupid....which is a good idea in this case

Don't worry, check out what the South Australian (SA) government is doing. In spite of all the whinging about the 100MW/h Tesla battery farm, now it is installed every man & his dog suddenly realises the benefits & wants one. Next door to the biggest battery pack in the world, the biggest solar thermal project in the world (Solar Reserve) has now been approved, & will provide 1100MW/h of thermal storage. It's long been said that SA with it's natural bounty could be a world energy superpower, it's well on its way, regardless of all the naysayers & cock blockers. www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2018/01/solarreserve-granted-approval-for-150-mw-solar-thermal-project.html

accesser. At least you have some, here in Tassie we have two chargers in the whole state, even if I could afford an EV I would then be up for the cost of solar panels.!!!

WarbirdFan66. Maybe they don't think at all, at least I have seen no evidence of it.!!!

investingnews.com/daily/resource-investing/energy-investing/lithium-investing/lithium-producing-countries/

+Peter Seddon Well the world's largest source of lithium is or soon will be a mine in Australia where the deposit is in the form of rock. I know lithium containing brine has been the go-to source for a long time but things are changing.

If the demand and price of lithium goes up, mining becomes economically viable. Then it will be mined also here in Finland, from a mineral called spodumene.

AND IN AFRICA TOO

I was just reading some stuff about Lithium, "Extracting lithium from brine is currently cheaper than mining it from spodumene, so there are many deposits of spodumene that are not currently being mined. Lithium is also present in seawater, but the concentration is too low to be economic." Stanford university website (2010).

Victor Seal Check out Tony Seba. He's been pushing the same theory for years.

Roger Starkey 6

Roger Starkey Thanks.

If you have visions, you need a doctor.

Red Phoenix . Je ne comprends pas.

The fossil fuel industries have always held so much power and influence so have always blocked it.I believe they still could and will.

and.... they just got worse. :(

www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/130380-future-batteries-coming-soon-charge-in-seconds-last-months-and-power-over-the-air

Try #riversimple 300 miles on 1.5kg H2 real world refill in 3 mins

Lucas P Super fast charging stations would charge up large supercapacitors and large batteries overnight or when convenient. Like petrol stations do when filling up the underground tanks.

Lucas P With highly efficient appliances and LED lighting etc, reducing grid use, there is enough grid capacity.

No mention on the lifespan of the actual batteries though,after all they do have a charging limit.

Tax electric cars directly with yearly plate fees based on mileage...

RoRo that’s nearly solved too. 350kw chargers are being installed already. Tesla looks like they’ll be installing 1MW megachargers in the not too distant future too.

20 mins...in future maybe less... it's not a big deal.

Right the x-axis on the bottom right graph is very cryptic. 180-100 (or maybe -180-100) Is it supposed to be a percentage? In which case, of what?

Once bitten and all that!

Agree 100%. The combustion vehicle is already obsolete. EVs will overtake the same way the combustion car overtook the horse. One very major difference: the infrastructure for EV charging is almost universal in populated areas. It's called electricity.

THEY WHERE ELECTRIC CARS TOO AT THAT TIME,BUT THE TECHNOLOGY WAS VERY PRIMITIVA ,AND THE RANGE WAS VERY SHORT

Actually people preffered electric cars at the turn of the century due to the fact they could charge at home and not have to make a special trip to a filling station (not as common as today) and they had the same problem as we have with EV’s today, the infrastructure. In the end ice cars won out over electric but can you imagine if they hadnt.................

Very good point,a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms.

OH!! I look forward to saying that. I have kept my car for a very long time (hybrid) because I knew my next car will be an EV. My Tesla model 3 will be my first but not my last.

IC automobile.....lol that's so new age

how far do you drive everyday? How often do you buy petrol? Are charging stations in your neighborhood and can you charge at home?

Have an EV for 6 months now. I have been on several long trips that push the range (450km) and am not looking back. The only thing to consider is when we change our second car from currently a hybrid to EV.

Bush Plays .......Yet

This is pretty much what we do in New Zealand. Petrol is taxed at the pump. Diesel is not because it is often used off road (farm tractors, boats etc). Therefore if you have a diesel vehicle you have to buy Road User Charges to legally allow your vehicle on the road. You buy kilometres at a time, usually I buy 10,000 for about $250 for my small car. If I was buying them for a big truck it would be significantly more, because they cause more damage to the road. This money is also ring fenced by our govt for transport. Its an easy and simple solution. When I get my annual vehicle licence these road user have to be up to date

Bruce Symington Govts will have to find other ways to relieve us of the burden of excess money.

Bruce Symington It would be better to base any tax on the weight. The heavier the vehicle the greater the damage to roads. A large articulated lorry can do as much damage to roads as nearly several million bicycles over the same distance and tens of thousands of cars.

Weight _and_ mileage. A very heavy vehicle that only moves 2 miles year (traction engine?) probably shouldn't pay too much. Time of use/congestion based charging also makes sense if you want to reduce queueing and unnecessary driving.

Well if the UK road tax is anything to go by,the government spends very little of that collected revenue on the road maintenance issue.A very sore point with the British motorist.

That's I think were the localised in-house battery storage (and generation if possible) comes into play. It's an additional cost but can charge at a lower rate and then this may allow rapid home charging. But low end trickle charging shouldn't be an issue even on the current system. It'll draw less power than an aircon unit. www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fact-995-september-18-2017-electric-vehicle-charging-home-typically-draws

We are lining it up Dave - Ben!

fullychargedshow oh nice! Thanks Ben.

As I strongly suspected at the time, his price of EVs claim is rose- tinted naivety....

@@fullychargedshow any update on the update?

Fully enough I thought of you the other day Dave. We haven’t forgotten just been wrangling with other things. Hopefully in the Spring as long as things work out. Ben

with more and more charging stations on the street and cars that can charge in 30 minutes, I Think it will be possible much quicker then you think. Even right now with 200 miles range if you drive an average amount of 250 miles a week (witch is more then most people drive) you only need to charge once every 5 days for 30 minutes. So I think it is possible today if you put the effort in and will only be getting easier.

thats where autonomous on demand vehicles come into their own. You don't need your own. Just tell your phone where you are going. By the time you've got down the steps its waiting for you... In the shorter term I suspect out door power points will become the norm very quickly. Not a hard install. It will be as common and low cost as requesting a broadband installation, I'm sure.

Peter John Cooper Are there electric street lights or electric parking meters? If so there could be charging outlets added.

I hope you're right Arnaud. There was an interesting item a little while ago about charging points in lamp posts which might solve the problem but not sure who's going to take on that sort of infrastructure development.

Philip Teare I think car sharing schemes could be a good interim. Though many might experience them with car hire first.

Graham Palmer Irrelevant, and if you can't do an Internet search why should we help you?

Mark Haury .... seriously! You don't think a little explanation for the viewer is in the remit of the video producer? And ... you expect all us non-savvy viewers (those who don't know who Eric is or what POD Point is) to have to individually search for their own explanations in order to understand the relevance of a particular video? Sounds pretty dumb to me. No insult intended, just sounds dumb.

Pod point is a vehicle charge point service installer and supplier. This chap was on a previous episode of Fully Charged which I hope you will view that episode. You will find out what and how they do what they do.

Graham Palmer they did a report on podpoint a while ago, just search through the back catalogue

Fair point. I know who pod point are because I drive an EV, but there will be people watching this who are interested in EVs but don't yet own one.

Robin Maule they can predict what they want but until they can make cars without panel gaps I'll be taking it with a pinch of salt.

life expectancy of the car maybe, but what about the battery...2 years, 3 maybe and than, buy a new battery every 3 years....and that is suppose to be cheaper and better for the enviroment...i seriously doubt that

WarbirdFan66 Your objection is seriously out of date. They've already proven to last considerably longer than that.

WarbirdFan66---Nope, that's all entirely wrong. Read up on the advances they made in 2017--it turns out the battery chemistry is stable over many more cycles than they'd dared hope, and further improvements are already happening. Car batteries are now expected to retain well over 90% of their baseline capacity past ten years, probably closer to twenty. And they ARE better for the environment--those batteries are too valuable and cumbersome to just be tossed out into a junkyard or a ditch to leak poison, like all those corpses of ICE cars leaking oil, gas, hydrolic and brake fluid; they'll be reused or recycled, and that process is incredibly efficient at capturing dangerous materials. Tesla is offering a fantastic warranty on the battery and powertrain, because they know they CAN. So calm down; the Electric Illuminati are not trying to trick you :-P

WarbirdFan66 Tesla batteries have already done 300,000 miles without significant deterioration. For average users they could last 20 years.

Duncan Cunningham A lot of cro-magnon climate change denying "loud pipes save lives" morons...

Me. Why is it when you see a Tesla on the motorway, they're invariable crawling along at 60? Sure, they're fast, but not for long. I'm sure in 10 years it'll be a different story.

where I live, a number of "entitled middle aged drivers of german executive cars", have been surprised to find out that when they take the wrong lane at the traffic lights, perhaps because they don't want to join the queue with normal people, and they assume that their tweaked or "premium" brand cars are quick enough to get in front of my other half when the traffic lights change. Our kiddies enjoy it when mummy gets to beat them away from the lights.

topbanana188 Because they are cop magnets and have nothing to prove. Just like most Lamborghinis, Ferraris and other performance cars I see "crawling at 60 on the highway".

Trump supporters......

Big car companies charging too much for EV's also, hopefully indy car companies will fix this!

Where do you park your car now?

in a garage half a mile away with no plug in electricity

Now if only someone could figure out how to get electricity to your garage hmmm.......

Me too!

"I feel like an adult when I get to say "times are changing" " You should feel like an idiot instead, because time changes constantly.

Desandres if it's "not that hard', do the conversion yourself. Here in Britain we still use miles

I thought you guys used metric

Not for miles. We are pretty good at everything else and laugh at those Americans for using customary units but overlook how we still use miles for the road network. Height is also given in imperial measurements when it comes to people, so a British person will know how tall a 5'3" woman is or a 6'2" man but not a 170cm tall person, driving on the left, in miles.

Ya. Not hard. So you can do the conversion yourself into the harder imperial units yourself. It's easier to read in metric, not convert to it.

a shining example of why real progress is so slow & difficult for humans, the innate inflexibility and basic refusal to change, the lack of vision & complete inability to perceive anything outside our own bubble. precisely why it's so hard to tell people why ev's are far superior, or why climate change is bad. here we are discussing a technological revolution, but still refusing to update a measurement system. and let's not get started on electric plugs & sockets..

They have them, Nissan makes them but they are currently only available in Japan and in parts of the EU.

i would like to convert my current diesel van to electric

There are some great videos on how to do that on RU-vid and people who do that for a living. Depending on where you live you could use them or get together with a good mechanic and get that done.

Huibert Guijt, conversions are becoming increasingly common with kits being sold for some cars. Good luck! :) Make sure to save up at least $10,000.

D R-K e-nv200 can be had for £10k in the uk second hand right now.

HandyAndy yeh but that's for the government. We are always 5 years behind. We still don't have world class internet.

nbkcq28 lol. And deadly spiders and snakes but the worst are the drop bears.

No country has adopted rooftop solar faster than Australia.

Bernard Finucane Not true. Germany and Norway are far ahead of Australian implementation of Solar pn a national level.

There is that. But you also have to consider the situation in Australia. We have huge distances with next to nothing inbetween. Where in many countries a 160 km range is perfectly viable for many purposes... In Australia it's outright useless unless you never do anything other than commuting in a city. (and even then, some of our major cities are getting up there a bit in size.) That's a bit of a problem for EV's because range and infrastructure are their biggest weaknesses. Infrastructure in Australia suffers from that whole distance thing. And range... Well, those 100 kwh teslas seem like they have an absolutely huge range suitable for just about anything, in Australian conditions they would fall well short of being able to make a decent number of fairly common trips without extensive fast charging infrastructure. A 500 km range only sounds good if your typical trip is 2-300 km. It starts to look a lot less impressive if your typical trip is 800-1200 km. More infrastructure helps of course. A couple of fast chargers makes that range perfectly doable without major issue (at least, along the routes that are densely populated. I know we've done trips in the past where even the next petrol station can be 600 km away). But consider that the highest range Tesla, the 100D, costs upwards of $200-$240,000 in Australia and you see the true issue being faced here. Range problems are simply far more acute here than in pretty much any other place you could think of, and extra range is expensive...

Ryukachoo - is sunk cost. They have made massive investments in internal combustion manufacture. While factories will have to be remodelled. That's expensive.

They make a lot of their profits from spares as well. EVs have less. To get the right switch over time balance will be hard. Also the rollout of evs will not be uniform across the world.

Maintenance revenue is what really hits them in the pocketbook. While most modern ICE systems are very reliable, they have a significant market for "scheduled maintenance" and repairs (brakes, bearings, belts, filters, oil, etc.) that will almost disappear in an EV world. How often do you take your TV in for work? We don't, anymore, because there's nothing to break or fix in there. (short of physical damage -- heat, lightning, etc. -- and then you replace it with a newer/better/current model)

It's not just maintenance, it's how long the vehicle will actually last for. What's the average age/mileage of an ICE car before huge breakdown? Maybe 200K miles? EVs I bet will get double that on average in the near future if not more. This means 50% or even higher loss in sales.....extremely detrimental, big car companies are going to suffer. Not to mention autonomous driving combined with car sharing means less owners of vehicles...HUGE drop off imminent in the next 20 years.

Hi Ryukachoo, Several replies have looked at the downside for automakers currently making the infernal combustion engine (ICE). However companies like GM have seen the solution... autonomous vehicles! Autonomous vehicles will see the end of private vehicle ownership as automakers sell miles, not cars in the future. This will mean fewer new vehicles being made once the ICE fleet has been replaced. Fewer cars = smaller factories and fewer staff = lower operating costs AND higher profit margins. Once automakers can see their way to greater profitability they will stop fighting legislation forcing them down the EV route and drop ICE as fast as they can. Let's hope that realisation dawns soon, because the last to embrace the future will almost certainly be the first to go bankrupt!

There is a lot of tax on petrol and diesel, but the price before tax is a lot more than 1.1 pence per litre! And when road pricing comes in it will apply to all cars, not just EVs.

Mark Atkin your right, it’s 11p to many zeros 🙈

The fuel component of the current cost per litre is categorically NOT 1.1p per litre! Currently it's about 40p. However I agree taxes WILL definitely shift and get redistributed. What they're also assuming is that petrol/oil prices will stay static. Since the year 2000 the known world oil reserves have increased by 40%. If oil demand drops, correspondingly with the rate of elec uptake of that chart, plus road (etc) taxes get balanced out, ice prices will drop dramatically.

That 40p is basically the current price minus the taxes that CAN be taken away. VAT will always remain. check this visual.ons.gov.uk/fuel-prices-explained-a-breakdown-of-the-cost-of-petrol-and-diesel/

I think he said" in the universe".

I think it's even worse (more rare/less abundant) in the universe. One possible source: periodictable.com/Properties/A/UniverseAbundance.v.log.html

+For Goodness Ache He said lithium was about the 4th most abundant element in the universe at 8:50, which it is. I agree that that is a pointless fact to those who inhabit planet earth but really there is plenty of the stuff here for our needs, it is for example more abundant than lead which has been exploited on a massive scale since the Romans who like us until recent times used it for plumbing and now we use it in car batteries (there are a billion cars on the world's roads with 10kg or more of Pb in their 12V battery) and bullets yet despite two world wars we have not run out of that yet.

"...which it is". No, it simply isn't. Look at above link for "the universe" or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth%27s_crust for the Earth, or provide a reputable source that shows otherwise. I'll give you that it's more abundant in the earth's crust than lead, though. (and yeah, this is a bit nit-picky for this video, but that assertion always pops out and gets my attention.)

OK, well in the universe rather than on earth but Mr Fairbairn and I both got the abundance wrong, turns out it is not the 4th most abundant element but 92nd at least in the solar system and somewhere around the 44th most abundant element in the universe. So you win on that and I at least have learnt something.

Jean-Pierre White Never mind Faraday, putting VW on there is a stretch given the vapourware they dangle. They can't even meet the demand for Golf GTEs strangely.

Faraday has no future

Any company with future in the name has vapour at the core of the brand

it's ok. I haven't bought gasoline/petrol for my car since I got a leaf in 2015.. more for the rest of you.

How much oil do you EAT ??? If it's not from you'r Yard. You can Stave with the Rest of Them....

We have not entered peak oil. Fracking has increased net oil production. It's probably the main reason oil prices are low.

I thing he means we have entered peak oil use, Its only going to drop from here on

Loanword Eggcorn - fracking has increased production, yes it has. But the overall curve is still down. Peak oil in the US happened as Hubbert predicted - in the 1970s. We're likely at or just past the global peak now. Also note, especially with regards to fracking and tarsands, extracting new liquids is costing us much more energy. We no longer get 100 units out for 1 unit in - we're down to about 10 out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T7up38Jyv0w.html www.rmi.org/insights/reinventing-fire/

i try to hear what he say at 0:29 after the goverment and....no more combustion engine vehicle's in 2040 @ 0:34 ???? i try 0.75 speed but ????

spin doctors and marketing types tend to do this.

Listen to Equinoxe too,I prefer it to Oxygene.

Most people in the EU and US drive fewer then 60 km / 40 miles per day, including commuting to work, shopping, etc. Even a 100 mile range EV can easily do that. Most people with EVs charge overnight at home and don't use public chargers. Also they don't care how long it takes to charge, whether it's 5 minutes or 5 hours. They plug in at night and it's full in the morning. Fast chargers are generally only used for very long road trips. Most people (who aren't delivery drivers) don't drive 500+ miles per day every day.

jondanimal - the 'customer' identified isn't the subset of people that own or lease an EV - it's from repeated surveys of the entire car buying/owning/leasing public. So - not a mistake. Also - for the majority of owners/users, recharge time isn't a problem. I've been all electric for more than 6 years. 99% of my charging is done overnight. I come home, plug in (takes 10 or so seconds), and walk into the house. When I walk out in the morning, the car's at 100%, it takes about 7 seconds to unplug, and I'm on my way. The only time I've ever waited to charge has been the proverbial drive to "grandmother's house" which is just beyond the max range of my car. For those drives, I catch some charge while having lunch. Finally - with DC quick charging available on most EVs, a quick charge 'fuel stop' takes roughly the same amount of time as a conventional petrol stop. The difference is that when one plugs in for 20 minutes, they don't have to stand in the rain holding the charge connector - they can go inside and get a cup of coffee.

jondanimal winter range half summer and battery degradation with cycles and deep discharges. Weight is still a massive issue. 100 miles around 1/4 tonne pack. Tesla packs now 3/4 tonne!

You guys commenting on here probably fit the demographic for an electric car just fine. Honestly I fit that description for a long time but after moving out of a large city I have realized how many people would not be able to live with an electric car right now. I love the direction they are headed but if you think they can fulfill more than half the market of car owners right now then you are a bit delusional. The people living in cities that are ok with EV's are probably already using public transit. The people that commute need to do 100-200 miles a day. MOST EV's are doing just about that. Yes they can charge it at lunch or while at work and combat that but it means that if they get to work and need to run home for an emergency they are screwed. It means their trips have to be planned around quick chargers. It means they have to change! Most people aren't ok with that. I think once the average electric car on the road can do 300+ miles on a charge easily then we will see a major shift. Right now there are so many early EV's out there giving the newer ones a bad name. Those are the ones people see daily. Also the newer ones capable of meeting peoples daily needs are way out of a middle class families reach. I make $48k a year and cannot afford a used Tesla... Plus I currently live in a state that is at least 1 hour away from everything. All those people that voted for Trump live in places like this. That's more than half of America!

You are spot on. Biggest issue is the poor energy density of batteries and huge cost of newer higher range EVs vrs s/h ICE. Tesla semi will struggle to take 20,000kg payload 300 miles.