Let’s be real, Croc is probably one of, if not has one of the most tragic backstories in the franchise: •He was born with a skin disease that causes him to mutate overtime •His mother died after giving birth •His father disowned him •He was abused and beaten by his aunt •He was bullied at school due to his looks •He was then pushed to the point where he devours his aunt •And he was tortured and experimented on
The most tragic part of the backstory, for me, is how at one point, when he joined the circus, he actually felt accepted for once and felt like he had friends and family, but even that bit of joy was taken away from him when some of the people of Gotham killed the other circus members. Had croc continued as part of the circus, he never would've become a criminal.
well, one thing i don't really like the design of Crocs in AK is why the developer cut his legs short, compare to the previous design in Arkham series?
@@killinghawkz nah the warden only cut his arm if you listen closely too dialogue.the points of mutation is that he obviously grew more into a croc than what he was before
If croc had a more serious part in the game, He'd be more of a boss than other villains, He'd care for them unlike other people since not all criminals are fully bad, but there are the bad apples in the bunch
@@MartianWasp100% agreed, given the fact most people on earth aren’t psychopaths or sociopaths, most criminals of all kinds also aren’t psychopaths or sociopaths. The vast majority of criminals, no matter how hardcore and far they’re willing to go to achieve the goals, still have limits, morals, principles, a personal code. An excellent example is how few criminals are willing to put children in harms way, or worse actually harm children, they’d prefer to die than do so, just as Tony Montana did in Scarface. Living with that in the back of your mind is a fate infinitely worse than death. Almost all criminals only seek a better life, they’re disadvantaged, often from the very beginning, raised in awful environments and conditions with few if any positive role models, oftentimes they don’t even have a single parent in their lives and are deprived of what they need. We’re only animals at the end of the day, eventually we lash out at the world and attempt to improve our circumstances by almost any means necessary, and sometimes the ways we do so are the only ways we know how to do so, due to no other apparent opportunities and/or being raised that way by terrible people. Tragic events and circumstances are what create the majority of criminals, it’s always been that way and it always will be unless we as a society work to change it, investing the time, effort, and resources is essential for this purpose.
AwsomeDude2471. He could’ve been the one to give him to the Warden, since he almost ate him he’d probably do that like an eye for an eye, or in this case an arm for a face.
SPOILER WARNING-What I reckon would of been a good idea is if at the end when batman injected the fear gas into scarecrow was he saw killer crock after what happened at the asylum
Croc is just a cannibal. He attacked Scarecrow because he was closer to him. He would have done the same to anyone else. He had no intent of torturing Crane for fun.
It's a tad more complicated than that he's completely lost from being helped his entire life has been abuse and ostracism he eats people now and the human contact and trust he requires is too risky as he might snap at any time
I get he had a bad up bringing but he's far from help he eats innocent people laughs about it and has no remorse what's so ever maybe his story started with him being a victim but now he's a monster and deserves worse then this
That being said, the surviving guard was probably lucky he didn’t land near Firefly or Professor Pyg. Being beaten up by thugs is probably way better than being eaten, burned alive, or turned into a mindless zombie.
Actually really loved this level. I honestly have never thought of Killer Croc as a villain. He's just a victim of a very very bad situation where he is pushed to do bad things to survive. Not only that but he was also abused all of his childhood by almost everyone he encountered, which considering his power, would definitely require great restraint, which he had to eventually get rid of in order to survive. Seeing Croc as the victim in this DLC was pretty cool, and the character of Croc is definitely one that may even have a road to redemption unlike many other Batman villains. Also the tail was badass xD
They took everyone's problem with Croc's appearance and made it into a crucial plot point that makes you feel bad about Croc. That's Rocksteady for you.
+DrTheKay I'm sorry if I offended you. What I meant is that Rocksteady can turn criticism and complaints into something productive.Hope you understand and no harsh feelings.
What I loved the most about this mission and Season of Infamy in general is how much they felt like Arkham City and Asylum, the Cutscenes, the Atmosphere and the Linear nature of the levels in the DLC made me feel really nostalgic, not to say that Arkham Knight is bad in fact it's my favorite Arkham game, it's just there was a charm and feel to the older games that Arkham Knight kinda lost.
The problem was the boss fights. In Arkham knight the boss fightss were just tank and a very mediocre red hood fight. Arkham City and asylum had amazing boss fights but storywise they weren't the best. City had a better story than asylum. But Arkham knight has the best story of all the Arkham games in my opinion
I love how Rocksteady portrayed Croc's mutations in a comic accurate manner instead of taking the lazy way out and saying he has a 'skin condition' like everyone who has NEVER READ A COMIC WITH KILLER CROC IN IT have said. It's not a skin condition. Silver age Croc claimed it was because he looked mostly human. In the Knightfall arc (AND YES THIS IS A CANON EXPLANATION AND NOT A THEORY), Bane broke Croc's arm which triggered his metagene further (YES CROC IS A METAHUMAN) and caused him to acquire a healing factor. The healing factor can, well, heal him, but it also worsens his genetic atavism and makes him delve further into a mutated state. There was this whole comic arc where Hush infected Croc with a virus that aggrevated his metagene further and caused him to grow a tail and resemble the Arkham Knight rendition, too. Then he was cured by it by a scientist, but he still started mutating because the virus left his cells continually aggravated. THIS is Killer Croc.
Trozza Bee Anything can be defined as a 'condition'. If I have a hang nail, I can call it a 'nail condition'. Scales qualify as a skin condition but that doesn't negate any of the facts I stated. He clearly doesn't just have a rash.
Funny how you mention the skin condition not being a thing but him being a mutant is, then going on about how people that talk about the skin condition thing are wrong, yet they pretty much say that in the first issues that feature him. Bane breaking his arm didn't trigger anything, he was a guinea pig for scientists back on Arkham, and became more inhuman each time, sometimes even losing the ability to speak and other time behaving like a complete animal. The Hush virus was just that, a virus, it didn't aggrevate nothing, it mutated him into a more crocodile-like creature. I mean have you read his origins for either the original or New 52 universes? Neither talks about a mutation. This character right here isn't Killer Croc, it's Killer Croc on Lizard steroids.
A S R New 52 is not what Rocksteady is basing this after I have read his origin for the original, and it was RETCONNED, as I stated, to not just be a skin condition. It was a skin condition in the golden age because they wanted to be grounded in reality.
I agree. He really got the short end of the stick in life. He was abused by his aunt, lost family he made in the circus, and saw the kid he cared for die horribly
Eh, still a horrible Human Being that killed allot of People, even when he was still sound of Mind. Read the Storys when he first appeard in the Comics. He was bad, really bad. A bad Childhood does not excuse what he has done. Nothing does. Get real.
He can't be cured it's written into his genes that he'd mutate into a lizard creature, it's not a simple "skin condition". It's like trying to cure downs syndrome.
@@MrKlotzi123you clearly know Nothing about Croc. He didn’t just have a rough childhood bozo his entire life has been nothing but pain and suffering. Literally his entire life. “Get real 🤡” yeah how about You get real.
To be fair, I think Ranken was talking about previous injuries they'd observed/inflicted on Croc there, because then he immediately segues into the effects of cutting off Croc's arm.
@@jboever85 Batman relied too much on the system. He’s too parentally traumatized to see that it’s broken. To be honest, the whole Justice League has relied too much on the system.
same thing when dealing with Mr. Freeze when he learns his backstory and motivations in the Arkham origins DLC. Batman: Victor's plan was never to kill Boyle, he needs Boyle's security access to get his wife out of Gothcorp, that's all he wants. Alfred: and now you're going to stop him? Batman: I have to
@@icy6256 This has been done in some media and even in the comics. Batman's worked alongside a reformed Riddler for a time in the comics, There's also cases like Azrael, Mister Freeze, Harley, and other being rehabilitated across various media. Catwoman I'd say is the biggest example of reformed criminal. She went from a rogue to an ally of his.
¿Are there no Joker hallucinations in this missions? It would be amazing... "So Croc got his arm chopped off huh? Poetic injustice! Remember old Cash, Batsie? I'm sure he'd found that funny."
Yeah, that is weird they didn't record Joker lines for Croc, Mad Hatter and Ra's al Ghul. Either they just assumed everybody would save these missions until last, or they couldn't hold on to Mark Hamill.
ExplorerDS6789 Well I think it's cuz in this point in time Batman has gotten rid of the Joker by making him being forgotten. So I guess it would make sense that Joker hallucinations aren't in this Season nor the DLC.
Because rocksteady does not want to confuse the players I guess. Most people will play the DLCs after the first playthrough, so they added this one without Joker. Gamers would think a this point, that he is cured. Thats why.
I always thought how it was cool that when it comes to Killer Croc and Mr. Freeze, the way the characters are written are always sort of meant to tug at your heart strings, if only a little. I know how DC likes to play around with that idea that it only takes one bad day to become bad, but you always seem to find a way to understand Croc and Freeze a little more than most villains.
Can I just say I love this new design for Croc. All of his designs in the Arkham series have been great but this one is now my personal favourite. I think the tail and sharper scales are what really add to the new look.
This looks absurd and doesn’t work with the realistic style of the game. It reminds me of the second 90s MK movie where they do animalities and turn into Playstation characters.
This is amazing! From 10:40-10:59 felt like I was watching a batman movie! Good job rock steady and good job who ever played this. Really used batman to his full potential.
I like how the prisioners arent even scared of croc its like they see him as a person when they were taking revenge on the warden Edit: Holy shit I've never had this many likes before, thanks guys!!!
Damn, I feel so sorry for Croc. All his life he was treated real shitty. Now he has been treated even shittier. The guy just can't catch a break. You can't really blame him for hating humanity. Still, I wish Rocksteady stuck with his Arkham Asylum design. They just couldn't let the Arkham Knight model they made go to waste can't they? I kinda hope in the future games Killer Croc would be a neutral ally or anti-hero to Batman. Like in his Prime Earth counterpart. A bleak possibility, but I can dream.
Loved this and the origins design, origins because you can kinda feel that theres some humanity left in him there, and this one cause hes brutal and savage, on all fours like a real croc
Actually he seems neglected maybe because there are no gym in Iron Heights he got out of shape and all those knife-like scales may be because all the times the scientist forced his natural healing factor got a side effect
Poor Croc even though he's a murderer and a criminal I can't help feeling sorry for him, he's even less human now... they might as well relocate him to someplace unpopulated to live in peace
My favorite scenes are when both Nightwing and Batman double team against Croc. It shows both how in-sync they both were while also demonstrating the amount of difficulty it takes to bring Croc Down.
I dunno bout you guys but after seeing what they did to the prisoners and croc and how croc was helping them referring to them as "we" if I was batman I think I would just jump out and let them continue...
I really like how more monstrous croc is in this game, The way he’s more crocodile than human and the fact that he has a tail now, really goes to show how more mutated he is.
poor Croc... He's actually one of my favorite character in New 52, because he is not really evil, he helped a lot of refugee and the poor, he even saved Scarecrow's life (in a comic about Bane versus almost every Arkham villain ), not to mention he is actually quite intelligent, and he is also the few Arkham villain who will spare people's life
It's probably why he was actually beatable this time, it's made him a bit slower and probably in quite a bit of pain. In asylum he was all but unbeatable, literally taking explosives to go down.
Awesome Sunhatted Seal Productions yeah the writing and gameplay design has staled and become bleh. They improved graphics and city design but everything else was diminished. Very disappointing. I still play it though. Totally wasted opportunity though, you're right.
This game really is amazing. Graphics still hold up after 7 years, and the story is still really good (although some may say the Batmobile parts are a bit of a droll).
I'm only at 2:33 and this is already incredible. It invokes that "Arkham City feeling" that the main story never managed to. Mostly because it's more intimate and focuses more on creepy interior atmospheres and not just Batmobile Batmobile Batmobile.
+supermysticsonic2 And City! They had the gritty atmosphere that this game never managed to retain. It's because the grimy and dark look was lost to all the militia shit and those goddamn tank battles.
I loved the level design and build up to the final fight, but it's really depressing how every boss fight in this game is the same. That being said, I do love the movement of Croc in this game. He fought like an alligator trapped in a man's body. It was awesome!
I like how Croc emphasizes with and works together with the other inmates. Even at his worst condition, he finally found another group of people who could accept him for who he is
Killer croc's awesome, my favorite batman villain and the design here, hella monstrous, the longer waist and fattish croc face with the elephantman feet were creative
Adrian Berisha Hell just send them to one on populated part of Africa or into the middle of the Amazon rainforest a few dead poachers won’t hurt anyone
@@charlottewalnut3118 not unless they come snooping around and find a giant meta crocodile man then they'd panic and treat him as if he was a monster which is what they mostly do to him is treat him like an animal.😐
I get they mutated Croc but a Tail is too much IMO. He's a human with a skin condition, not a f***ing Crocodile man. He's not The Lizard from Spiderman.
+Joshua Bellis well they mutated him even worse. i'm pretty sure in comic he also look like this. EDIT : he look worse in comic. in comic he's like coming from some fantasy surreal world.
+Bronze Gremlin ...well, yeah, but he evolved more and more. Look at Origins Croc before looking at Asylum Croc. Granted the timeskip, but I think that he'd more or less end up looking like this if it went naturally. They experimented on him, which hastened and quite possibly made his condition worse than it would've been.
+Bronze Gremlin Really? I thought that was the best look of them, with this one a strong second. Never really liked the more human-ish Croc. Good luck Bronze, hope you have a blast playing the DLC, I'm really jealous :P
im calling bullshit on the fight. in arkham origins, years before this, crocs skin was thick enough to be resistant to high-powered rifles. batman DID beat him, but with the help of giant explosive containers. now hes bigger, stronger, AND has a healing factor? punches, no matter how strong or the training, are gonna even phase him. i dont care how good nightwing and batman are theres no way they ever could have won in that situation. pt 2 when he was being escorted by the gcpd and cash, his tail was free and he coulda easily whipped all of them with it and gotten away, jumped off the roof into the water and survived. maybe with some injuries, but he has a fucking healing factor so...
Ik this is late asf but tbh they both studied crocs fighting style over the years arkham Batman and nightwing are peak human asf lowball they mastered all forms of Martial arts known to man and all types of escape artistry and Batman specifically Is in a op ass suit so tbh croc gets folded out of water easily
@@rawwej i mean, at a point none of that matters if you're up against an hulk-sized, heavily armored, sentient beast with a healing factor. given everything it takes to restrain him its just a hard sell for me that 2 humans can just punch him until he's tired if he's only gotten stronger/more durable over the years. the dual predator takedowns with robin in the main story are pretty brutal though, those definitely could do it. ig I wish they would have done a dual stealth mission for batman and his OG kid nightwing, this woulda been a cool chance to do it. kind of a mix between origins final bane fight, (too powerful to fight head-on) and the robin/batman dual stealth from the studio mission. was definitely still good to see croc again tho
That was one of the best coolest missions ever on this most wanted. Nightwing is one of my favorites, just as that criminal was going to say "we're going to.. then gets kicked in the face.
+86Fallowcp gorilla grodd is one of Flash's villains. He's a very intelligent gorilla who builds these machines that turn humans to gorillas, There's much more to him though.
I feel pretty horrible for croc, every bit of trauma he feels just makes his condition worse seeing how he's locked up again that's more trauma, because of his appearance of standing on all fours I'd say he be a giant crocodile with human intelligence and I mean something like deinosuchus with the ability to speak English, fucking. terrifying.
The way that this mission is played, it's hard not to speculate that Bruce Wayne himself is actually behind the controller. All the timing and intuitional decissions are impeccable.
Couldn't Batman try talking to Croc before fighting him? All Croc wants is to be cured; maybe Batman could try to find a way to cure him with help from a certain scientist. Maybe it could make Killer Croc an ally.
I've actually been working on a video that showcases my vision of Arkham Knight (via Legos) and I think you might like my ideas. honoramongscars.deviantart.com/gallery/55615402/My-Version-of-Arkham-Knight
+HonorAmongScars Croc is known for not being one for conversation,Remember that he killed a lot of people before this,also,Croc is a lot more animalistic and more unpredictable than before. Also he hates Batman. That's a glaring factor.
23:56 That utterly ENRAGED snarl... The revelation that Batman is Bruce Wayne must REALLY sting for Croc. The guy has so much Croc can only dream of - LOADS of money, comfort, popularity and sympathy, and of course, he's an ideal "handsome" human in the public eye. And now it turns out this same man is the one who's been repeatedly defeating Croc and locking him away - and recently, of course, denied him his revenge on the warden and separated him from the first people in SO long to see him as a kindred spirit.
As of posting this comment, I'm doing the part where you search for the parachute guys and it's just as the mission becomes available, so just after you meet up with Nightwing for the first time. As I'm going to the second parachute guy, I fight some of the street thugs, when all of a sudden, JOKER ENTERS THE FIGHT! I knew there were moments where you could see hallucinations of him in random places, but I didn't know he could take the place of random thugs mid-fight! Most bizarre thing I've seen, especially for my first playthrough.
I just realized that the reason the warden knew were killer croc was at the lighthouse was because Scarecrow told him. Payback for what happened to his face.
I actually felt so bad for croc, looking back at how he looked in origins and what he turned into now is so sad. he only wants to be normal and now his human form disappeared from existence because of the mutation.
It's really sad to see Croc turn from such a fearsome beast to whatever the hell this disgusting thing is, Croc's disease will always be a little too unbelievable for me even if we're going by comic book standards
Always loved Croc with a tail. Don't know why though. Maybe it's because a more monstrous appearance really brings out the contrast between his human side and the way everyone has acted towards him in the past; treating him like this man-eating, disgusting, aquatic reptile with no semblance to mankind so much that finally . . . he becomes one. I think he finds comfort in conforming to what everything thinks he really is. Living the dark, green waters below the city, a true monster lurking in the shadows. I think he likes to think of himself that way, always going into detail when reminding Batman of how he will devour him and everything he holds dear. Occasionally, glimpses of his fleeting humanity will seep through the cracks. Like here, when he stands up for those who have also been similarly abused and mistreated. Or when he holds doctors hostage so that they can "fix" him. But ultimately . . . his wild, animal instincts take over and he just vows to eat everyone. But Bruce will always call him a "he." And it's one of the many reasons I love Batman.
@@ScallyWag637 Really? Then you must be bad a Chemistry, even a high school level student would known that gas would condensate during low and wet temperatures, like a rainy night, Arkham Knight atmosphere is direct conflict with the main plot, you cant have it both ways.
God hes so awesome i was so happy to see his look in this game he has a TAIL and he looks more like a croc, poor guy. Just want to give him a hug...and not die.
