It really captures the energy of many action films, "yes, I just finished mowing down the guys who work security for a paycheck, but you, the person responsible for gracing the record book of Evil with the most war crimes committed on a Tuesday, you get to go free so you can do it again, but differently, in a sequel."
As someone who likes the original movie and gets the "real point" Jason is trying to make...this lowkey still makes way more sense than the scene did in the movie. Like, the clown's only alive at this point because Jason wants to set up this choice for Batman. If Bruce doesn't want to play along, it just makes sense Jason would ice Joker without a second thought.
You are missing the point of said movie. Jason has always been willing to go just a bit further than Bats has. Bats even elaborates that he would not just kill Joker but subject him to all manner pf torture then end him. Whereas Jason would simply kill him. Bats even says if he does go through with that he would not come back from it. World of difference in Joker dying accidentally or Bats killing him in self defense. Remember Bats has contingency plans for the Justice League. And we all saw how easy was to alter them so instead of incapacitating them plans kill them instead.
I don’t think you get it Jason is hurt his hurt is coming from Batman not being able to save him the joker is a small part of his anger it’s all about Batman which is why killing joker wouldn’t do anything for him hes been killing criminals all week like he said he has no problem killing them and cleaning up the streets the way he sees is right
But Jason wanted Batman to kill the Joker. His selfish need for Batman to do it overrides his idea that killing Joker immediately would be better objectively. It’s easy to say that Jason should have been calm and rational and just killed Joker immediately after Batman refuses, but he spent years and the whole movie setting up the encounter only for Bruce to refuse. He’s not calm and rational and he’s incredibly emotionally invested.
@@gdaw8326 Comic logic too, everyone with a costume has died and come back, heck, Joker will probably come back in a week, he only got shot in the head, just ask Ted Kord how that went, you can, he was even recently in a Justice League comic, man, who can forget the time they made a funeral for him? Or the time Green Arrow was vaporized and only a bloodstain remained but he's still around and no alternate universe shenanigans. Hell, Bruce was vaporized into a skeleton THIS YEAR, and he was back in a few months, Dick Grayson and the rest of the Batfamily didn't even make a funeral for him and when an outraged Superman asked why, the OG Robin literally said everyone dies all the time, he has been to too many funerals that ended up becoming "welcome back" parties weeks to years later, he and the others are just waiting for Bruce to come back...and like i said, he came back from being a skeleton.
This assumes that the Joker isn't just a cosmic force given flesh for the sake of enacting the curse of Gotham City to it's fullest extent. If Joker is that, he'll be back in a week.
"It wasn't really dodging, we were using misdirection and erratic movements!" This line was more satisfying than a thousand won boss battles in Dark Souls!
@@UltimaKeyMaster Nah we dodge in dark souls because of I-Frames. we're not "dodging" anything, the attacks are straight up phasing through our characters bodies.
Batman: I thought you hated me and blamed me for everything that happened to you! Jason: I'm defnitely mad at you, but that doesn't mean I want to kill you, geez! Wait, aren't you just projecting your self-blame onto me? Batman: uh.... Jason: What the heck Bruce?!
@@michaeldaniels642 The Batman who laughs is not what actually happens if you kill the Joker, people kill the Joker before, the gas thing is only of that story
@@theomega7699 it almost happened in a main Batman story. He just figured out how to undo the process on himself. So, yes, in the prime earth timeline it happens and is DC's excuse why nobody kills Joker. It is not just a dark multiverse thing.
This is exactly what would really happen if the writers actually had the nerve to really put Batman in a no win situation instead writing him a way out.
@@cartoonishidealism582, Luffy and Zoro from One Piece are truly more iconic than Batman and the fucking Joker from DC comics considering that One Piece outsold every single Batman comic from Golden Age comics in the 40’s to now, so clearly DC should’ve either permanently killed off The Joker, or they should’ve made him a permanent Compassionate Lantern, but either way there’s no way in hell Batman comics are ever going to outsell One Piece manga volumes in sales ever again.
Alright, Conner's Batman is actually super solid. And JJ is doing a *spot on* Jason impression from the movie. Combo with preem editing and this is just top tier across the board. Bravo.
I would have been like "yeah, take me in." The reason Gotham has a revolving-door criminal justice system is that people keep getting brought to the police based solely on the word of one guy who won't reveal his identity, thus making him ineligible as a court witness. And even if he was eligible, he'd be considered massively unreliable. And even if he was considered reliable, I'm pretty sure any jury in Gotham would just acquit the guy who killed the Joker, a repeated mass murderer and terrorist who constantly preys on their city.
"Yeah, the guy hacked the signal and broadcasted himself on every television in Gotham, threatening to kill everyone, but we have no eye witnesses of him actually doing it."
Granted Jason in this movie has committed more crimes than this theoretical one so I still think he’d be put in jail for a very long time. An insane person could kill another insane person but that doesn’t make the insane person any less insane or dangerous would be the reasoning
the Jason impression was on point, but he sounded kinda deadpan UNTIL they went off script. And honestly the idea of Todd not getting emotional about being left behind over some code but being very very snarky over Bruce's plan is hilarious
The whole bit is funny, but I'm honestly slightly more impressed with the foley. Like they could have done the whole thing with out the sound effects of Batman's outfit making the leathery squeaks and the gun's clicks and rattles every time Jason gestures with it. Consistency and attention to detail truly do make things to another level.
Jason being legitimately confused on why batman didn't think he would kill him right after he said he would is legendary funny. Felt like something straight out of bullet train 😂😂😂
@@Khantia because if it was about the joker dying he would be dead already batman refused to engage with the ultimatum and jason's mind was soley on bats he didn't care the joker was there all that mattered was that batman finally does it but he didn't he refused walked away basically treating him like an annoyance
the funny thing is, this was one of many plot holes in this movie. In the comics he never turns around, he throws the batarang immediately when Jason threatens to shoot the Joker. Which makes more sense.
That point about Batman dodging the bullet from behind and in a small room is the moment I always bring up when someone gushes about how Batman is just a human fighting alongside gods. Like this guy was actually moving faster than a speeding bullet, do people not know how fast bullets are?
If Jason was going to shoot Joker, then do it, but he wanted force Bruce’s hand ala Trigun. Bruce wasn’t having it and refused to give Jason what he wanted, blood on his hands and feel what he felt. It’s a flawed sense of perspective and was a reckless attempt to keep Jason’s focus and ire on him, Joker is just a scapegoat and excuse, getting revenge wouldn’t make the pain go away and Jason would still feel resentment for Bruce over his judgment, but I understand where his mind was at.
It wasn't so much about joker dying than it was Bruce killing joker and being forced to break his rule/prove he loved Jason. Jason could have killed joker as soon as he got his hands on him, and Bruce knew that. He knew if he started to try to leave, Jason would move in some way that would give him an opening.
It does make you think- Bruce had to be 100% confident that Jason was doing this to get him to kill, that when he didn’t get what he wanted, he’d get frustrated and slip up. Guess he knew Jason after all.
This is hilarious but the way Batman chose to give Jason the cold shoulder here is sort've central to his strategy for resolving the situation so it is definitely something he thought about and planned. It was probably a gamble but I would bet he was reasonably confident in it. Heck *I* would've guessed Jason would respond that way. It was never really about Joker, ultimately.
Of course. In the end, even if he dies he at least broke the little bird boy into something even Bats can't fix. And wouldn't that be just one of the best ways to pull one over on his arch nemesis.
Even better: Joker's blood is now on Bat's hands, because he actively allowed it to happen. Batman killed the Joker, thus proving the Joker right, even if Jason was the weapon Batman used to do it.
In the original it still made sense to me. Maybe not the whole bullet dodging but the motive. Jason gave the ultimatum, and Batman chose to do nothing and let joker die rather than choose Jason. Batman wasn’t going to shoot joker, but he’d rather not save joker than hurt Jason anymore. Jason, however, wanted Batman to end the joker. Jason wanted Batman to pull the trigger. He wanted Batman to avenge him, and so in frustration he shot at batman and the scene played out how it did. Batman then chooses Jason again by saving him. Batman doesn’t think he could knowingly kill a person and stay sane due to how it would probably affect his trauma. Jason doesn’t believe it and wants to prove his method right, for himself and to finally rid the streets and Bruce of the psychos like Joker.
Yeah Batman dodging that bullet always bugged me. Jason's right, they don't really dodge the bullet, they get out of the way before the gun's fired. But in this scene the bullet is mid air before Batman moves. Not likely.
Batman: "Oh, my God! What did you do?!?!" Jason: "What do you mean, "what did I do?"; I shot him." Batman: Why would you do that?!?! Two words, Bruce: Warehouse. Crowbar. Or maybe: Barbara. Wheelchair.
You know... one day, i would like to see a comic or a movie that starts with batman taking the joker to the police and then some random cop decides to kill the joker.
There is no way this isn't official. Even though JJ plays batman on his chanel, he works amazingly as Jason. The smooth animation, the voice acting..it's all too professional and top notch
Solid has SUCH a great range of voice, it's always a treat when he puts out a video or does VA for other videos. Connor was really good as bats too, and the editing on point.
I think the whole point was that it was never really about Joker (kinda). It was about whether or not Bruce's moral code mattered to him more than Jason. Bruce HAD to be the one to kill Joker in order for him to prove that it didn't. And when Bruce walked away Jason got pissed. "Its him or me, you have to decide".
To be fair, in the actual movie it worked because Batman was using Jason's psychology against him. Above all else, Jason wanted to prove a point to Batman: that he should have killed the Joker a long time ago. If Red Hood kills him it's not as meaningful because Batman gets what he wanted without having to break his code. But if Batman kills him, or Jason, that's him conceding that killing is sometimes necessary to solve problems. So when Batman walks away, that's him saying he won't play Jason's game. He knows Jason would be too frustrated at him to focus on the joker: because he's not even beginning to validate Jason's view of anything. It's him taking advantage of a weakness Jason has had for a long time: his temper. In the end, Jason proved to be just another Batman villain: mass killing to prove some kind of point and lull Batman into some kind of sick game that leads only to breaking Batman in some way: either killing him or proving his mission futile. Just like Joker. Just like Riddler. and just like those two, the key to beating them is to not play their game.
I don't see it that way personally; in both the comic and the film, Jason doesn't even entertain the concept of Bruce shooting the Joker, he explicitly gives him the gun to shoot _Jason_.
To be honest, I never read it as being a fully thought-through plan. I just figured he'd let Jason kill the Joker if it came to that (the blood wouldn't be on his hands) but that he *heavily suspected* that Jason would turn the gun on him. As for the dodging bullets... Everything Batman wears is bulletproof. He didn't need to dodge the bullet - that was pure flex.
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this is a way better fan fiction sequel to this movie. i'll even say that this is less of a fan fiction sequel - than the ACTUAL fan fiction sequel to the movie. Genius m8, absolute genius!
Really, it's on the Gotham legal system that they didn't put Joker down. Batman is a vigilante. He doesn't have the authority to kill people, but the state does with just cause.
Gotham does not seem to have a death penalty. It's one of many issues the city has. Of course, if Gotham was a functional place, Batman wouldn't have much to do.
@@StarkRaven59 Considering the corruption in Gotham, I'm not sure a death penalty would actually help, plus Joker would probably find a way to get an important person to take his place, and not be discovered until the autopsy.
@@dracosfire7247 I’m with you here. My personal distaste for the death penalty has always been focused on how often innocent people are killed this way even in a system that didn’t intend for it. I wouldn’t trust the government of Gotham to do the right thing so much so that if any politician there said the sky was blue, I’d look outside just to make sure it didn’t suddenly turn green. Someone should just waste the Joker and not deal with the bruhaha of the death penalty being utilized by a clearly corrupt government
@@StarkRaven59 Ironically, Gotham's utter corruption makes it even *less* excusable--ignoring that The Joker basically has plot armor whenever he appears now--IMO since you *know* some corrupt cop(s) would be constantly trying to kill this asshole even without being paid off by other supervillains like Black Mask to do it. It's not like Joker is bulletproof after all, just poison-resistant.
I was honestly expecting a, "You know I have to take you in, right?" "Yeah, I know. Wanna get some fast food and catch up with each other first?" "Sure."
yeah, this whole skit stank of Solid JJ and i identified his voice as Jason and his typical turns of phrases and humor. it was a great skit. more collabs like these please. this is peak performance for the both of you.
I expected something like: You know, I really don't feel bad about his death. Do you want to talk about this? Alfred misses you and we can talk more about this and why I didn't kill him.
Finally, someone had the courage to do with Batman couldn't do. He ended the life of the Joker, and stop them from killing countless more people. And the fact that he was killing drug dealers and drug kingpins and during the whole tire time, should have been evidence what he was about to do to the Joker. But seriously, why would you set the bombs for that short. Time or even you can't get out of the explosion.
