Batman "Vs His Father, City of Bane Finale" - Complete Story | Comicstorian 

And Bruce communicates with his sons by punching them

@@chinyereugwu9431 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Thomas Wayne: I'ma get you laid son Also Thomas Wayne: Buuuut I'ma kill yo butler beat up YOUR son and turn most of the city against you for NO reason😂

I mean, he got billions of dollars to satisfy his leather and sadism fetishes.

Gotta remember he was broken long ago losing his son and wife and omg involved in a world war

Exactly

It did! Made him jaded.

And what did they do with Thomas.

The best of this was bruce telling thomas flashback of the past

Pretty lame that reverse flash can’t die then decides to send Thomas Wayne to his sons alternate universe. What was the point of flashpoint paradox? Pun intended. Lol

Frostbyte batman has borderline superhuman strength, the otherd not so much

Old man Thomas would be nowhere the fighter his son is let alone the entire bat family he would had to spend 20+ years of training at such a late age It made no sense at all

@@maksudshtrudel1089 Thmos Wayne has beaten Batman several times in this run alone so no. Not to mention that Cass is ranked higher than Bruce. King just does whatever Selina beating 3 flashes. Damian taking down Gotham Girl who can solo the JL. Thomas has access to super Venom so un likely Bruce can touch him and explains how he can take the family when Cass, Damian and Huntress out class him if we go by his level back on his world [without venom]

@@chinyereugwu9431 In what Fucking Universe is "Cass ranked higher than Bruce" ? Because you saw the New Batwokemam Series from CW ? Can't forget who she stole the mantle from to claim it as her own after Batman like all his other thots that he used as his own cumbucket. Personally trained her in his bedroom.

that one hit was after Thomas mentally lost to Bruce's determination

Joker: hehehehehehehaaahhahahahahahahaha!!

@@Dualbladedscorpion7737 joker is a masochist, which is why he is used to batman beating the life out of him.

@@snoop4472 I don't think he's a masochist. He's sick. Really sick. That's why he laughs all the time

Also Joker: Proceeds to steal the Wayne wealth and tools and torture Gotham with modified bat equipment.

Agreed

Why do people talk about "cheating" in fights like Batman & Bane are in UFC or something? Lives are on the line. What rules do you think should exist in that situation?

@@bnostoppingme no help Bane said... Batman agreed. That's how it's called cheating.

I'm just happy King is gone... the new writer seems to know what he's doing.

@@medalgear654 Once again: lives are on the line. Bane is a mass-murdering sociopath. Batman wants to stop him. Why, at that point in the story, would anyone care about whatever playground rules the villain wants to set?

It was purely for shock value i bet

Could of been a lot worse, remeber Tom King initally had 15 or so more issues before his run was killed.

Jim Kol it was cheap

@@Naruku2121 Alfred's death wasn't King's fault. DC editorial wanted him to do that

Well, King originally wanted it to be revealed to be Clayface, but DC editorial wanted the death to have some weight so he had to keep it as Alfred. Personally I wish he could have kept his ending with Alfred surviving.

Another awful moment with Thomas being magically ahead.

Bruce WAS handling Bane like nothing

I like the fact that he didn't, kind of shows how Bruce is better than Bane by not resorting to the same level of violence he did

scott miles wym? He was going to brake his back but the only reason he didn't was because he was shot

@@zonnyc but he didn't; he could've gone back to Arkham and finished him off but I feel like Alfred's final words inspired him to become less vengeful, but whatever everyone's got an opinion

Darian coleman I know right? Tom King gave Thomas Wayne so many wins he didn’t deserve. Thomas shouldn’t even have been able to be Damien in a one on one fight. But he beat him and he beat Bruce multiple times in this run.

@@PartialKredit Garbage. And look I'm the type of guy to tell you if you make a huge mistake you are wrong when you are wrong. But My god is he so wrong on this. Now I can understand Damian getting beat due to Thomas using his emotions against him which is the downfall of Damian many times in his stories. But against Nightwing just him alone Thomas would have got clapped this story is so retarded and naively put together to make Thomas look as if he's on anyone's level.

True and Thomas became insane because coming here

Yes he can, if Bruce can, and Thomas beated Thawne (even by surprise) he can beat all of them

@@271294j1 This comic is garbage. And flashpoint makes it look like a joke.

I agree. Thomas suposed to be a family man BUT it WAS NOT RIGHT with the criminal underground to hurt his son

Scargost the artist Yeah they made him an ridiculously overpowered villain with a nonsensical motivation, instead of the well written character he was in Flashpoint.

Agreed

Not to mention batman was a coward in that fight with bane, and couldn't even beat thomas?

Scargost the artist he wasn't that bad he was bad but not that bad

It started good with "the button" then, things began to go downhill after they brought him back for the shitty bane arc.

Andre Santos it should have never started to begin with. His Father by some miracle came back and into his world. Period. Stop. All that should have been done from that moment forward was a father trying to pick up the pieces of his lost life, or a life that he should have gotten and began there. A regular guy. Not don a costume, not scheme behind the scenes. Just try to be a sense of normalcy in Bruce’s life. Let Alfred take a fucking vacation. Because let’s face it Alfred failed at his job of protecting Bruce after they died. Alfred let Bruce become this thing and accepted it. Sure for story and comic sake Alfred “ went along with it because he couldn’t stop Bruce” thing was going on an I get it. But the first fuck up was introducing Damian into the mix. His Son......who like comics always do turned him into instead of just a boy but a ninja assassin...🙄. Ok so they went with that and gave Damian an arc fine. What’s fucking horseshit is when you tell people these superheroes are “ people too” and you bring this chaos about.....this shot doesn’t happen to people. People have normal problems. Shitty dates, shitty girlfriends, buddies that fuck your girl, bosses that treat you like garbage....just like 1960’s and 70’s Peter Parker....which is what made Spiderman so great to people back then. A little sliver of normalcy. And we’ve seen what these fucking Hollywood reject writers have done to these characters in the recent decades. There is not a single iota of normalcy in Peter Parker’s life. His kid was erased, his aunt has lived 30 adult lives and hasn’t died yet, his marriage was destroyed so they could tell his high school story again......Mary Jane is fucking other guys......that’s not normalcy. It horse shit. It’s a cop out on them as writers. Characters for writers like that are people like Punisher. There will never again be a sense of normalcy for Francis Castligoni ever again. The mob murdered his family. His wife, his little son, his daughter the sunshine that lights his days....that was extinguished by the mob. Not a superhero accident, not some supervillain just fucking with his head. The Fucking Mob. He looked at these heroes and saw that will all their power and righteousness they stood by and allowed the mobs and gangs and cartels and lords to run amok. So in his mind as “the greatest living soldier since Captain America” he felt he needed to fill that vacuum. To drug those motherfuckers to justice because Spiderman wanted to be an avenger. Because Reed Richards didnt give a fucking shut about Lisa Castle. Because Tony Stark wanted to drink and party instead of being “the Ironman” and saving Frank Jr. That’s real. That’s what I look for in every punisher book. That common normalcy. That man who against the odds will go and take them on and never stop. Now they won’t give us that Frank Castle. They give us comic ghost rider herald of Galactus. FrankenCastle, Punisher getting yelled at and beat up by superheroes because they are too proud to face reality and fight “ a normal problem “ when realizing they created the problem of Frank Castle. That’s what I want from these fucking check listing fags who think they can write a compelling story and be “inclusive and diversified” They all fucking suck. Every last one of them after Chris Claremont. I have no faith in any of them anymore. I haven’t bought a comic since 2008 because of Them. And them alone. Because I knew back then they’d pull shit like this. You sir have not figured that out yet. You bought the lie instead of telling them what they needed to hear. They need to hear the sound of the Check Bouncing at the bank from their publisher because the publisher can’t sell books with shitty stories. So go ahead. Keep buying. Keep making videos. It’ll change nothing.

Joseph Fazio Batman’s son isn’t going to be normal because he was raised by his mother who was a terroriist also to empathize and relate to a character has nothing to do with what happens to them but how they feel you never lost a son but you were able to relate to Batman in death in the family,also about aunt may living thirty years comics are not a one to one recreation of real life

James Codeline agree to disagree. I want more normalcy brought to these “complex” characters. It gets to the point of stupidity.

Joseph Fazio one there have been entrie stories dedicated to the fact that these characters can’t have normal lives and also are you ignoring all the good stories where there haven’t been normalcy and also as I’ve stated elsewhere realistic does not equal good

Hadder Yuri a I couldn’t agree more

I agree. Thomas was supposing to a Father who died in Flashpoint to save Bruce. And in Button storyline he helps his son and Barry to get back home. But Tom Kings just broke Thomas and Batman´s realishonship.

plus, every storyline that features a dying Alfred only serves to piss batman off more, killing Alfred never breaks the bats, all it does is give them a vendetta to avenge

@@DisKorruptd pretty sure it broke damian more than bruce lmao

I feel like there could have been some dialog after Batman knocks Thomas on his back where Bruce tells him, "My father, was a kind man. You are not a kind man. You are broken. You are broken and only serve to attempt to break others. This is not your world. You keep trying to push me, make me choose happiness, make me choose what I want." but then he stops and looks around, at catwoman, at the batfamily and at his own reflection in the mirror. He speaks softly "this is what I want. The only one here who doesn't seem to want to be batman is you. Thomas, you are a broken man who only seeks pain for others so that you do not feel so alone with your pain. There can be no path forward, no salvation, no recovery until you admit that. Not to me, but to yourself." he lends out a hand offering to help Thomas up back to his feat. "You owe the boy you lost that much." Thomas hesitates but takes Bruce's hand. It wasn't a happy moment for anyone. We then jump to a scene outside of the GCPD. Thomas begins walking away, not saying anything, not looking back at anyone. After everything he worked for, everything he worked to destroy, and now he's at the point where he's just walking away from it all, how could he say anything really let alone show his face? Before he gets far Bruce says one last thing. "This is not your world. . . but it could be, if you let it." A few moments pass and still he can't even bring himself to turn to look at Bruce, at the man he wronged so much and so many times over. So instead, Thomas says nothing and continues walking again off into the night. Only now, this time, he walks not as a broken man, but instead as a man more lost than ever before. That's my headcanon anyways, it fixes the story for me, well, except for how it cheapens everything BEFORE this ark with Thomas Wayne.

@@Hadeks_Marow Yeah this was too bland man like this is the father who raised him up to the time he died, this really killed the purpose of why they became batman like wtf was this shit

@@FatherUno Or it could be that Thomas is a weaker man than Bruce. Both Thomas and Bruce died when they lost their family. What replaced Bruce was his vow, that much is canon. What replaced Thomas tho, that could have just been pain. Without Bruce's promise to himself, without that code or vow, he could be right where Thomas is. . . but he's stronger than that. In my mind thats really sells home the point that BRUCE is the one true Batman and not Thomas. That's why I kept referring to him, Thomas, as a "Broken man", pain breaks people and as a Father who lost a child, well, that might even be worse pain than a child loosing both their parents.

@@Hadeks_Marow It's the difference between them - well the difference between prime Bruce, and prime/flashpoint Thomas. Can't say the same for the other infinite versions of Bruce wayne across the infinite omniverse. We've seen Laughs, and he's the worst version of Bruce, with punisher Bruce being quite similar to Thomas here.

@@Hadeks_Marow Well that was 1000X Better than the shit I just saw in this video! I am like that it what happened to Thomas after Batman Punched him, So batman can't beat Bane without help! Batman can't beat his dad who is a brawler and not a trained fighter in a one on one fight? Seriously WTF is this shit

between Thomas and Ra's - the kid's a bloody saint. The cow's a good influence.

@@lordmorklen5166 cowl's*

@@protalghulnist4126 nah man, I'm talking about Damian's cow Bat-Cow.

@@lordmorklen5166 oh, wow

I guess he's use to having crazy maniacal grandfathers who try to pull strings and pick on his Dad.

Lazarus pit will fix everything.

True and nightwing WILL not be dead

@@Cabolt44 still waiting for the pit lol

Well I mean Jason also kills criminals like Thomas

The "entire" bat family What? Was Jason Excommunicated?

Honestly I can imagine Jason Todd and Thomas Wayne being a good pairing as a team up.

To be fair batman with out any tools gadgets or help at all just his pure force couldn’t break his back bane is stronger and smarter when it comes to fighting

Actually, yes. It’s in the Big Book of Bat-rules.

too sappy

@@XIII_Vanitas Well, yeah. That IS part of Thomas's whole motivation for doing literally EVERYTHING afterall. Sapping emotions for his son was part of what drove him. Our batman knew this and had no choice but to manipulate that as to not break his code and outright kill him. You can't lock up batman and you can't have batman as your enemy. Convincing him to switch sides or at the very least, not be an enemy was our batman's only option. Exploiting his character, any character, through means of manipulation, that's just another gadget in his toolbelt.

@@Hadeks_Marow I mean both Bruce and Thomas wanted the same exact thing. Family. They're both stubborn mules, but would have a basis to agree on from there. Bruce could see Thomas' pain, and just knew his father was a broken man (moreso then Bruce ever was). It's a similar situation to Laughs, where Laughs took "Batman Always Wins" too far.

@@Cabolt44 Yup, don't get me wrong, there was sincerity in the sentiment but it could be said that the use of sentiment was only used because it needed to be. Batman is meant to be the dark and brooding type. Sentiment isn't part of what it means to be batman (not in public) unless it was needed, which it was. Him showing him that being batman makes him happy, that could be a lie or it could be the truth, either way, Bruce's happiness and well-being was Thomas's motive. Thomas knows Bruce is a Wayne, stubborn as a mule. He can't condone him putting his life at risk (similar to how alfred can't or couldn't at first) but he knows a Wayne doesn't give up, that this would go no where, so the only choice he had left was to battle forever until one ends up dead or the other option, he settles for bruce's happiness at the cost of safety. It's not an easy choice and neither one was desired. That's why Thomas can't say anything, he is defeated via ultimatum: Fight a battle no one can win and everyone loses. . . or just walk away. He took the only road forward and he hates it. He will never bless Bruce's wishes to be batman, even after my ending. That's why he didn't turn back to even look at him when walking away, too many conflicting emotions, disgust, hatred, sadness, lack of contentment. He does want for bruces future to be of happiness though and that's what tipped the scales enough for him to make his choice, that, and batman's--no, BRUCE's smile when he offered out a hand to help him up off the ground (it might have been fake, but Bruce didn't want any more bloodshed one way or the other, too many people died already).

Nightwing is a hero he doesn't do vengeance. i just wish bruce would visit nightwing more an check up on him

Lmfao, absolutely stupid right!!!!! By that logic Bruce can take down the god damn justice league with his hands.........HATE KING"S RUN

@@dazwalker44 I mean he can but not with his hands he would get bitched slapped his knowledge is his best weapon

Agreed. Thomas should not have been able to beat any of the Bat-family on his own, especially not Batman himself.

@@GeneralKenobi75 Thomas is Batman. He’s not a cheap knock-off, he genuinely is one of the multiverse’s Batman. Yes, this story sucks and ruins Thomas but everyone seems to think Thomas is a less effective Batman.

CASSANDRA CAIN AND DAMIAN WOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH THE FRICK TOM KING FRICK YOU TOM KING BITCH

Yeah, hes got what we call Tom King plot armor.

He is batman!

Yeah, KennettThinkOfaName You’re right! He’s an old man with PLOT ARMOR!

@@ryancarson6962 No he's an old man with BAT-ARMOUR.

Ya, it is a man with awful plot armor that was brought back in the worst way.

That’s ultimately what happened

What happened?

@@-_-murilo2865 nothing. Nothing at all.

W-where am i how did i get here? What were we doing again???

Nice fan fiction

ITS NOT A PHASE DAAAAADDD

*sips some tequila* "SON, I HAD A BAD DAY AND ENOUGH OF YOUR SHIT. TAKE IT OFF OR I SWEAR I WILL MURDER ALFRED." *Whips out gun*

More like Thomas having a mid-life crisis.

I think she was in Dective comics some, could be wrong and thinking of Spoiler.

Yeah that shit didn't make sense. That he took the entire Bat family minus Dick and Jason. Honestly if Dick and Jason had been there he would've definitely lost. But even without those two he wouldn't have won so outright. Thomas Wayne Batman wasn't at the level of skill as Bruce especially being MUCH older.

BokaNoah Because Tom Kong tried to make him look so badass that he ended up forgetting that it actually needs to make sense in order for it to be badass, really it just comes off as making Thomas Wayne absurdly overpowered for this one convenient moment until he fights Bruce where he’ll still manage to win in a fight against a guy that defeated seven people on his own.

@@jamalhartley5863 I mean I get being able to beat Tim, Kate, Duke, Damian and maybe just barley huntress. But cass herself would destroy him with little effort. Dick and Jason single handly would destroy him as well especially dick who is stronger and faster then bruce. Thomas must have either had venom and other drugs in his body or else he would have been dead.

@@NeonoahGaming It was established in Flashpoint that he had to take performance enhancing drugs to keep up. So yes it was the drugs (I mean he's a highly skilled M.D., so makes perfect sense).

@@Cabolt44 Being a skilled doctor with enhancing drugs still doesn't explain how he beat Cass. Being a skilled doctor and fighter is one thing but taking out one of the dc universes best martial artists is another thing altogether.

Outside of tic Grayson I enjoyed the run

Ric stupid autocorrect

Also grandfather of the year

That's reserved for Alfred

@@lunarSoul0 Did not understand the "Sarcasm" part didn'cha?

@@Qardo They probbaly understood the joke - just felt the need to say it I guess?

The thing is that Bruce isn't that much better to his kids. What kind of Father has never had any moment of happiness in all his years with hi kids? Alfred said he hasn't smiled once since his folks died. Not once til the night he was to marry selina. This is all before we get into the abuse, neglect manipulation endangering and replacing them with ease. £ of his sons have dead on hero duty. Damian twice. The 2nd time Bruce was feet away arguing with his ex. Bruce is on par or not far off.

Yup.

I mean, someone who does something as a profession can still be amateur, but Comicstorian is far too far in to be an amateur,

@@DisKorruptd You mean a professional can be amateurish, they however can't be an amateur by the definition of those words.

I feel like there could have been some dialog after Batman knocks Thomas on his back where Bruce tells him, "My father, was a kind man. You are not a kind man. You are broken. You are broken and only serve to attempt to break others. This is not your world. You keep trying to push me, make me choose happiness, make me choose what I want." but then he stops and looks around, at catwoman, at the batfamily and at his own reflection in the mirror. He speaks softly "this is what I want. The only one here who doesn't seem to want to be batman is you. Thomas, you are a broken man who only seeks pain for others so that you do not feel so alone with your pain. There can be no path forward, no salvation, no recovery until you admit that. Not to me, but to yourself." he lends out a hand offering to help Thomas up back to his feat. "You owe the boy you lost that much." Thomas hesitates but takes Bruce's hand. It wasn't a happy moment for anyone. We then jump to a scene outside of the GCPD. Thomas begins walking away, not saying anything, not looking back at anyone. After everything he worked for, everything he worked to destroy, and now he's at the point where he's just walking away from it all, how could he say anything really let alone show his face? Before he gets far Bruce says one last thing. "This is not your world. . . but it could be, if you let it." A few moments pass and still he can't even bring himself to turn to look at Bruce, at the man he wronged so much and so many times over. So instead, Thomas says nothing and continues walking again off into the night. Only now, this time, he walks not as a broken man, but instead as a man more lost than ever before. Better?

@@Hadeks_Marow holy crap man that would have been great

@@NeahMinto88 And it would have given future writers something to work off of. Imagine what you can do with a Thomas Wayne out in the world. A Lost Bat. So many options. What they did here. . . they didn't even write an ending. It stops pretty much part way though where all the loose threads still hang giving the reader no understanding of what just happened. . . . but I guess that's what happens when you rush an issue out before it is ready.

Tell that to Bendis Superman, the story there is completely off. Here Bruce is treated with integrity and resolve. The El family is treated like bad caricatures of themselves. Would love DC resources to retcon that run back to Rebirth.

The Signal?

@@devinjames7958 See even I couldn't remember the title off the top of my head.

DiegoFF same like without her dick and Jason I see him winning but that was ridiculous

They left the Batfam ending on cliffhanger. Are they alive are they dead?

@@crism5810 at the ending you can see them waiting alongside Thomas

I know Cassandra is strong but I feel like Jason would’ve just shot the shit out of him or tim would unload one of his many fail safes in the batcave or just running him over with the batmobile

Cassandra is not a God.

Apparently Cassandra cain is a chubby thief now according to the birds of prey movie with Harley.

@@JosephHandibode not in the comics. But she is a character DC keeps shitting on for no reason

Pretty sure Nightwing wasn't involved in any of this in the slightest...After you know getting shot and forgetting Most of that stuff.

Also Nightwing: gets his ass handed to him by Orphan and admits she's the strongest member of the family

He's Batdad. *Shrugs* But still it's kinda funny if Beyond Contunity is taken into account if Bruce was his Father's age even he couldn't maintain being Batman and ironically does indeed give it up. Which all his training with his youth and Bruce can't do it in his old age, but his Father who was like already in his mid-life learns all the necessary skills well in his life span and can maintain it while he's even older is...Eh... Always thought Thomas Wayne's deal was because he was a much older Batman his combat skills wasn't as refined so him actually relying on guns to end things swiftly and more decisively mad sense

He’s like 20 years younger than 80, he wasn’t stronger or faster, he was just wiser.

comic always have a really bad tendency of not talking like people above the age of 16 and trying to work things out like a reasonable person, but instead go straight to punching kicking and forming complex schemes that really could have better been resolved with a clarifying question.

Quoc-Nam Nguyen It completely destroys Thomas Wayne’s character and it’s cringey at times.

Agreed. Not to mention there is no conceivable way he could beat any member of the Bat-family, let alone Batman himself, without King giving him plot armor.