Battle Breakdown : First Battle of Chin'toka 

"If you stay you'll hear me antagonize some trekkies with unrealistic expectations". I LOLed at that xD

Now I'm not a crazy conspiracy theorist, bit I think there was more to the Romulan introduction to the war than meets the eye.

The Akira Class has 80 Torpedo Tubes, 84 Phaser Arrays, 16 Distrupter Banks, 16" Artillery Cannons, 32 40mm Anti Aircraft Guns, 80 20mm Anti Aircraft Guns, 10 Muzzle Loaded Cannons with round shot, 8 mortar cannons, a lance cannon and a Death Star Super Laser.

Jem'Hadar be crazy, ramming ships in kamikaze runs at the start of the battle!

As a Briton I love that the USS Hood gets such a consistent and even key role in the Dominion War; the historical warship was terribly unlucky, but the name being used really feels like a nod to the Royal Navy's long and storied history as a battle-fleet, what with the Hood getting right into the thickk of things alongside the Defiant and Rotaran and brawling with the best the Dominion had to offer. That she is even ready to join up with the Enterprise to stand against the Scimitar after the Dominion War stirs something in this particular boat-nerd. There are names I would have preferred for such a nod, but somehow I doubt that Starfleet pre-Dominion War could have gotten away with a name like Warspite. :)

Damn I am STILL in a awe watching DS9 battles, even after all those years

The Dominion invading the Romulan Star Empire was a ruse but Capt Sisko to get them to join the war. The Dominion was eying them but had no actual plans, until after Federation was done, to go after the Romulans.

"Bird of Prey" is not a class of ship but a generic term for a whole array of klingon shipclasses, the ships shown on screen for the battle of Chin'Toka are all of the B'rel class.

Regarding 4 vs fifteen torpedo launchers. There's a website by the guy who created the Akira, iirc, that has the system specifications of the vessel. One of the things mentioned, is that the pod at the top of the pylons, is a "modular mission pod", similar to that employed on the Nebula-class. It's implied that the bulk of the launchers are there, and that the Akira's standard loadout is for either 4 or 5 (can't remember precisely) launchers, all around the Saucer of the ship, including two on the sides that fired in a forward angle on the ship. The vessel was primarily intended to act in a similar capacity to modern day Aircraft Carriers, using the fighters in concert with the heavy artillery found in the form of the Torpedos. It wad also mentioned that the ship had an on-board barracks for carrying a detachment of marines (or I guess you could call them M.A.C.O.) on board, and that the fight deck could be modified for personnel transport missions.

I've seen multiple videos in which you speak with disdain of the Federation fleet regarding the Galaxy Class, as well as the superiority of Dominion technology in relation to the Federation, and both points of view are primarily founded on the destruction of the USS Odyssey. The problem is that your conclusion isn't supported by the actual facts surrounding the Odyssey's destruction. To summarize, the Odyssey was destroyed by three Jem'hadar Attack Ships, which the Odyssey was unable to destroy. But the only reason the Odyssey was destroyed with such ease, is that the Jem'hadar were using their Phased Polaron Emiters to cut directly through the shields of the Federation ships, much in the same way the Duras Sisters ultimately destroyed the Enterprise D with a single outdated Bird Of Brey by discovering their shield frequencies. That is to say, three Jem'hadar ships did the same thing to the Odyssey that one Bird Of Prey did to the Enterprise, and that's damage them so badly, that these two Galaxies Class ships were losing power and systems faster than they could retaliate. This technological edge, a weapon the Federation wasn't used to fighting against, worked in this particular battle, but wouldn't work again to the amazement of the Dominion, who thought they had a super weapon, only to discover that Federation Engineers had already countered it. For this moment on, Jem'hadar ships would be firing against Federation and Klingon ships on an equal footing, and we saw that the Attack Ship was no match for the Defiant or Bird Of Prey on multiple occasions as the war progressed. This leads to the assertion that the Galaxy Class was a horrible design, because of the loss of the Odyssey, which was a result of the Dominion Phased Polaron Emitters, and not the Galaxy itself being a badly designed ship. The bigger issue is that the Galaxy was a ship of the line, meant to fight against other ships of the line, like the Romulan and Klingon warships, and not against small attack ships. The other strength of the Dominion, is that they basically had an entire fleet of ships similar to the Defiant and Bird Of Prey, small and maneuverable ships that could dart around the larger and slower Galaxy Class. To me, this is like saying the USS Iowa Class battleship of WW2 was badly designed, because WW2 was the first war that showed the power of aircraft and aircraft carriers. Just like the Federation and Romulans and Klingons, the WW2 mentality going in was that Battleships would form firing lines, and destroy the enemy fleet. But the realization became that these slower and larger vessels were in fact vulnerable to fighters. It wasn't that the Galaxy was a bad design, it was probably the best Battleship in the Quadrant when war broke out, but it was the wrong ship for the war they would be fighting. And Federation and even Romulan design would evolve in response to this. In retrospect, the Klingons with their inferior reliance on the Bird Of Prey over the Vorcha Assault Cruiser meant that they were better prepared to fight this type of war, than their allies with newer and better Battleships.

I was surprised by the power of the plasma torpedo's that came from those orbital platforms. If the Cardies putted them on their Galor and Keldon class ships Starfleet, the Klingons and the Romulans would have a serious problem. Those plasma torpedo's ripped straight through the shield and punched huge holes in either the massive D'deridex and Galaxy class ships. As seen canon.

My understanding was the Akira had ROTATING torpedo launchers, so it could fire more rapidly, but it couldn't fire anywhere near all of them at once. It was more so that they could always have torpedoes loaded rather than super overwhelming firepower.

The origin of the D'Deridex having "phaser technology" would be TNG's Contagion, when the D'Deridex is told that if they have any kind of phaser power to use it to destroy the Iconian probe. This however would be an inconclusive statement in a moment of tension, and the Romulans could just as easily have fired their disruptors.

"The fleet of the Lore" sounds pretty good dude!

There are many examples in Star Trek of a single torpedo tube firing multiple torpedoes in quick succession. It is my belief that this is why people think the Akira class has many more torpedo tubes then it actually does. Although not shown in cannon many sources also say that at least some variants of the Akira class can fire quantum torpedoes.

Great video! I hope in the future you touch the Babylon 5 lore. The battles of Line, Sector 83, Proxima 3, Corianna VI, Earth Invasion/Liberation, fall of Narn, fall of Centauri Prime are interesting material.

This was really good i can tell you put alot into this. An excellent break down and your right it was a big loss in manpower and ships but as you said it became worth it. The Federation needed a moral boost and t hey got it and in doing so they got the hope that enabled them to eventually win.

Some notes. Romulans use Plasma torpedoes, which on a good day can be comparable to quantum torpedoes; Less accurate than photon and quantum torpedoes, but with significantly more bang. There are different types of torpedo launcher, differing in how many they can fire in each salvo. They have a very small firing arc, which is part of the reason why they aren't fired as often as phasers, but also because of ammo conservation; but photon (and quantum) torpedoes are still devastating to shields. Which brings us to the Akira. it's a heavy CRUISER, not escort. It has more launchers than other ships, but they are from the smaller kinds; still, combined they can put 60 torpedoes down range in a single salvo from their forward arc - which should be able to obliterate almost anything. However, they don't have unlimited ammo, and wouldn't be able to sustain that rate for more than a few salvos before running out. Just like the Defiant was designed to be a nimble dogfighter, the Akira was also designed with an unorthodox role in mind - orbital bombardment.

I always wondered why there were never anymore alien ships in the battles. Like Andorian, Vulcan, Orion, and many more types of ships that were in danger of being invaded by the Dominion.

The D'Deridex-class warbird does have some phasers though they're secondary weapons located at the junction point between the head and the main body of the ships.

To the fact no one questioned why Romulans were so effective even though the Dominion was planning to attack the Romulans. I'd say the US Navy was caught competly off guard at Pearl Harbor even though the US Pacific Fleet was moved from San Diego to Pearl specifically to fight Japan in the event war broke out.

Even Starfleet "missile ships" only have 2-6 torpedo tubes. This is owning the the fact that the Torpedoes are charged by the ship and can not handle more than a few at a time. The Akira Class is exceedingly well armed for a ship of its type and size, but this is owing to its nature as a warship. If I recall correctly the Akira has 15 torpedo tube options but never has more than four because of power consumption. Charging torpedoes is very power intensive but also explains why NO Starfleet vessel has ever taken a hit to the magazine and exploded for it. The Torpedoes are inert until charged. As a result there is no point to having 15 tubes. You can't charge them fast enough, so why bother. the most I have ever seen on a star ship is 4 tubes. This was the Ares Class and fully acknowledge this ship is not canon.

Don’t care how many torpedo launches she has, I’m just glad she made multiple appearances in DS9

How is it that the ships and battles in a 25yo show (DS9) is so much more superior than the overbudgeted crap that Star Trek Discovery is?

You see the akira fire torpedoes from the top pod and from under its saucer too in first contact but it can fire torpedoes sideways. It is supposed to have alot of tubes. It will have atleaat 5 or 6 tubes as the akira is well known for being able to fire torpedoes sideways and all round from the weapons pod above the saucer.

Well Balance of Terror was very sub hunting. After that it seemed to more tend towards surface combat. I would bet that the Galaxys were heavily utilized as invasion transports. They can fight their way to the target, deploy troops, both protect them, and give orbital fire support. Their extensive shuttle bays and medical facilities would also be of use.

I always thought (no in universe reason) that the Miranda class was still in service only because it was cheaper to run than the other ships of that era.

I know it is non cannon, but since your going to be playing STO any chance you could do a lore video based on it?

I don't remember seeing an Ambassador class ship, will have to go back and check again...

My understanding of Phaser and Disruptor tech is that they are similar weapons in function. Basically they are both particle beam weapons, the difference being in the type of particle used.

Hey Lore Reloaded, could you do a break down of romulan ships?

In the battle, at what time code is the Ambassador? I've watched it hundreds of times and never seen it...

man I love your vids, I don't know if it's a phaser but in tng "contagion" a warbird fires at an iconian probe the Haakona but I think you're right tho they usually just have disruptors, maybe more of a point defence measure, what is it that makes spaceships battles so appealing

Pretty much all the Galaxies seen during the Dominion war were the refit, beefed-up battleship/carrier varient rushed into production following Wolf-359 & during the Klingon War/run up to the Dominion War. Granted, most of the specs aren't explicitly detailed on-screen, but they were broken down in the DS9 show Bible, which I count as cannon. These ships had a much smaller crew compliment & had all of the non-war-related frippery (science decks, rec centers, daycares, and... ugh... whale tanks...) stripped out and replaced with weapon storage, armor, shield generators, and an upsized main hangar bay used for storing & launching Peregrine-class fighter wings. They were CERTAINLY powerhouses. This can be seen very prominently in the final battle to take Cardasssia when the Defiant is zipping in an out of skirmishes while there's a beastly Galaxy just sitting there stationary, holding its ground and throwing out phaser fire like an old ship-of-the-line.

Does anybody actually know how many phasers the Akira has? We only really see the two on the saucer section, but I'm assuming there are the standard twin after strips. So that makes 4 not 6.

I believe all future Defiant Class ships had ablative armor. The surprise in that episode was that the ship was not finished and the armor was added later.

1. Where do you see and Ambassador-Class? 2. The Warbird theoretically uses Phasers above the Iconian Homeworld 3. The reason I don’t think they could sit at a distance is because the platforms were layered in the system, they had to get closer to some to be able to reach others (It didn’t help that those platforms had a completely nonsensical amount of endurance when their shields were down)

Don't forget about the Heavy Akira Class w/carrier capabilities.

Dominion Ships were so great they tore through Federation Ships like they were butter.

They'd have taken a whole lot less losses if the Yeager Class was brought for this battle. This video further shows how the Federation was simply not ready for a war of any kind, showing tactical ineptitude and the use of warships that seem mishandled by the crews. Still a good victory, one the Alpha and Beta alliance needed. You nailed the Pronunciation of the D'Deridex. It's a tricky one and I love hearing people work through it and get it.

It actually makes perfect sense that The Ambassador had a harder time being upgraded than a Miranda - Mirandas were workhorses, designed to be infinitely customizable and fitted for specific missions. The Ambassador was designed as an envoy and ship of the line - It was to be a jack of all trades by design, so refits would not be seen as necessary. The Excelsior is the exception to this rule, as the framework was designed as a testbed, and therefore was likely subject to massive changes throughout its development, making it very easy to refit.

In the first of second season of TNG series, the Enterprise enters the neutral zone and discovers and Iconian Gateway. During the stand off with a Romulan warbird, the bridge crew of the Enterprise refers to the Romulans arming their phasers. At one point, Commander Riker warns the Romulans to destroy an Iconian probe with its phasers. While you could argue that Commander Riker warning them, and telling them to use their phasers, doesn’t by itself mean that the Romulans use phasers, but he simply said phasers because that’s what he is accustomed to using. The orders on the bridge of the Romulan ship might have sounded like, “Target disrupters! Blah blah blah...” There are other parts of the episode where the crew detects the warbird powering it’s phasers.

Nice video.

Firstly i`d like to point out as a long time watcher and newer subscriber of your channel .i appreciate the effort and creativity you put into your vids .Alot of people say quite a bit but dont actually show the facts to the best they can . That being said , I feel your disregard the power and capability of the Galaxy class is off base . Anyone who watched TNG during its original run will know that the Enterprise D herself was a character designed as an explorer to match Picard .As a tool for that she met that point perfectly . I feel you`ll agree with me on this . On the very rare occasions where combat was needed and focused there is only two examples that come to mind where the full offensive abilities were realised .Both of these examples were show cased when any Alpha quadrant ship would be outclassed .Best of both worlds PT1 and "the survivors" both of season 3 oddly enough .Other cases where Galaxy class ships were lost on screen were souly due to the reasoning of illustrating the magnitude of the situation what ever crew was in for whatever major plot line they were on . I feel that in the years of non cannon games and literature this class starship was watered down due to its lackluster showing in TNG. DS9 wouldnt show it in the same ability as season 3 TNG as it wasnt the hero ship any longer , although i feel its use in DS9 wasnt used incorrectly. Enterpise D was disposed of easily in ST Generations as a plot device to introduce the E . Everything wrong the Generations can be illustrated by Red Lettermedia in a youtube search . If you haven't seen it i happily invite anyone reading this to search it as it is Outstanding .Just looking at the schematics of the ship which are cannon , it is quite clear that the class its self IS a beast and that only plot devices and story lines kept it from being recognised as much if not more so then the Constitution class was of its day .On another point i dont understand, why the Nebula class is so over looked in its USS Sutherland refit over the Akira class .The interest in the Akira class capabilities is based on outside sources and is not cannon . The Nebula is cannon .Hell, the Constellation class is canon with its 4 torp launchers and its over looked as to the reasoning why it lasted in TNG for as long as it did . What was seen is cannon. The Akria had a handful of appearances which only showed it to be a frigate sized vessel and nothing more then a modern Miranda armed equivalent less the Mega Phaser cannons .Keep up the good work sir. I`d be interested in a Galaxy class rebuttal when you have the time if you are interested . Cheers ,Shaundis .

What episode(s) does this take place?

So what’s more advanced phasers or disruptors???

i know d'deridex class uses a phaser beam from that episode with the iconians cause and effect

The Romulans were smart, they didn't use phasers along with disruptors, since you don't Mix Energytypes. Ok sorry, STO joke xD Nice breakdown man, keep it up, rewatching your old vids at the moment.

to be accurately fair looking at the pod mount, it looks as though it's capable of firing up to 4 forward facing and 2 aft but that's not actual fact based on cannon design. If you look closely you can see that there are more launcher tubes in order for the ship to achieve a rapid fire function of such a weapon specifically designed to not only launch quantum torpedoes but regular photon torpedoes in the event the stock of quantums runs out and cut down on reload time in the event of a borg incursion. this is my opinion based upon the evidence based both within the series, movies, cannon as well as reasoning given with the events of the dominion war and second borg incursion.

good luck see you in game more than happy to help you out from time to time

The Galaxy class is in the Dominion war, is an updated version and is known as the Dominion war variant.

To use phaser fire to drain shields an than torpedos to finish the ship of coms from Star Fleet Battles, if im not mistaken. In the tv shows it dos not matter. Like in the klingon battle for DS9 (The Way of the Warrior) the first 2 opening salvo from DS9 were photons and the 3th salvo were the phasers.

RE: Why did the fleet engage the platforms from close range? I think the presumption is the range of the ships vs the platforms, as well as the effectiveness of the weapons at far range. In other words, how effective would the disruptors and phasers be at their maximum range? AND, being that the weapon platforms showed a significantly stronger power output, (typical of fixed emplacements vs mobile weapons), they could likely out range the ships as well. The fleet commanders knew time was of the essence, so it made sense to get in fast, and attempt to destroy as many of the platforms (or all, ideally) as possible. If they came online, you'd be in their range before you could get a hit in as well- so get in and wipe as many as possible.

I feel like I have to point out that if a submarine takes a hit it is pretty much done. It's underwater so the pressure hull being compromised by a torpedo hit would essentially be 100% fatal as any damage will destroy that steel tubes ability withstand pressure. Compound this with the fact that torpedo's are smart enough to find you when your trying to hide, follow you and then see through most attempts to trick them and often have near 1000 pounds of boom attached and when one of those hits the water you can pretty much guarantee someone is gonna die. TL;DR Trek combat is definitely not based on submarine combat of any type, if it was they would be spamming torpedo's all over the place to make it impossible for whatever they were shooting at to survive.

Should talk to Trekyards and Eaglemoss the starship collection the CG model of the Akira class has 11 torpedo tubes and 2 quantum in the weapons pod alone on the saucer 2 port 2 starboard and one under the deflector it was to be the first torpedo gun boat of Starfleet

I'd love to join your fleet on STO. I hope you can find some use for an Advanced Escort!

I agree 15 torpedo tubes is a bit much for any ship. I also think destroying the platforms was not a bright move. I would have kept them and wiped their cores then reprogrammed and used them to protect the system, thus freeing up ships from having to protect the system. It the same on any sci fi show, aliens invade and humans kill some then leave the aliens weapons behind.

Which version of Star Trek online you play the Xbox One version or the PC version?

Chin'toka, the way I saw it, was much needed breathing space after losing so much territory and only having regained control of the wormhole and DS9. The alliance had momentum to finally put the Dominion in a defensive stance but maintaining that feet isn't easy given the distance of your supply lines vs your enemy's. As for the strategy they employed, it looks a lot like how ground combat was back in the 1700-1800s with clusters of combatants rushing weak points of a formation (think The Patriot). You see the same tactics in Operation Return when Sisko engaged the intercepting Dominion fleet; you punch a hole in the lines and rush through with your heavies holding the outer edge of the formation. A tactic the Dominion seemed to know the alliance would commit to which is why those platforms came online when they did...hold fire for maximum effect...and it was devastating. But there were 2 things that bugged me here. 1 - it was stupid of the Dominion pitting all their eggs in 1 basket with one power generator. The attack on Chin'toka would have failed if they had multiple power generator stations controlling sectors of the defense platform. 2 - failing point 1, they had a flight of Jem'Hadar fighters that were callously thrown away. Had they held them back, they could have done surgical strikes while the alliance fleet was being decimated by the defence system. Maybe even held off the attackers on the single power station. It was a big strategical blunder on the part of the Dominion who seemed to have been more hellbent on causing as much damage possible in a losing situation rather then solid tactics that would have won the day. I like this breakdown. Chin'toka was my 2nd favorite space engagement in the DS9 Dominion War arc and 4th favorite in all of Star Trek.

I believe K'Tinga class cruisers were also included in the Dominion War.

"Cardassian weapon platform could field one thousand torpedoes" but the Akira having multiple launchers is too weird to fathom. Akira class vessels were anti-borg ships and relied on torpedoes to do damage rather than phasers. Torpedoes were harder to adapt to. Ship to ship combat normally would use torpedoes for finishing attacks, but the Borg ships relied on mass for defense, making torpedo barriages a more effective tool. Thus the Akira having its clearly visibly 15 launchers would allow for a continued stream of torpedoes. I shared a clip with you from First Contact, where you have ON SCREEN EVIDENCE of 3 upper launchers and 1 lower launcher facing forwards. On screen models clearly show 2 facing each side and 6 rear facing tubes in 2 arrays. This is on screen evidence is enough to disprove the claim of 2 launchers, showing AT LEAST 4 given the aforementioned ON SCREEN EVIDENCE. There is no reason to get snarky about it. In Message in a bottle, the D'Deridex uses beam weapons against the Akira and Defiant class ships that coming to reclaim the Prometheus. This could be an onscreen non-canon appearance of Romulan phasers since disruptors are always shown to be bolts rather than beams.

How do we sign up for your fleet? I have an Heavy Escort Carrier and I'm kind of looking for a new fleet.

As for why the Dominion didn't have fleets ready to fight the Romulans, when they were planning an attack. Could be justified that the plans the Romulans got a hold of said it was about to start the preparation phase. With the power of the Dominion, the Star Empire would not wait for an attack but conduct first strikes to stop any build up. As for why the Alliance Fleet fly into the weapons array field, was to get to planets as quickly as possible, so the Klingons could land ground troops. Later on we saw that the Dominion was able to successfully sortie into the Chin'toka system and land ground troops too. The urgency was probably that the Alliance wanted to take any Dominion installations, technology, or forces by surprise and prevent any surface defenses from being brought on line. Which did happen with communications array.

It was never stated when they would invade, it was implied that the invasion force would be later on in the war.

I might have missed this, but any comments on some of the smaller Federation ship classes in the fight (Steamrunner, Centaur, & Miranda)?

I agree with you on the point of staying on the outer rim of the system but when the system did come online yes they would have lost less ships and it would have been harder to get to the planet which I,m shore is where they thought the control station was. and the greater looming threat of being stuck between the defense systems and then a major Dominion fleet coming in from behind them would have sealed there demise.

8:48 to 9:03 Those phasers and disruptors of theirs have a limited range, i could see a photon torpedo or two reconfigured for the task though.. if they had the time for it.

Haven’t played in over a year but I think I was around level 60. It might be fun to play with a group so count me in

Can you please look at Sins of a Solar Empire Star Trek Armada 3 mod and check out the ships in the game and see if they come close to proper?

The episode clearly states only 5 squadrons are defending the system which is why they pick it originally and then when intelligence informs them of the weapons platforms they move up the attack date And TNG when the discover iconia the script clearly states romulan phasers and torpedos continue to arm and disarm…layer on it becomes disruptors so they either changed weapons systems or had both…

Any idea what system you will playing sto on?

I noticed the shields were useless against the weapon systems on the defense platforms

Having 5 Galaxy class is like saying I had more super tankers at the battle than you did...

While I don't want to join your fleet due to being to entrenched in my Pennington School Fleet, but I'll gladly play with you. I'll be paying attention to that community tab.

As much as I love the show, someone else gave a great correction: The "Birds of Prey" is not a class, but the B'Rel class Bird of prey is. The Klingons had the B'Rel & K'Vort classes of Birds of Prey during the TNG/DS9 timeframes. Likewise, the Vorcha class could be considered as a 'Bird of Prey' type ship.

The lack of consistency in trek was its biggest shortcoming. Ships with antimatter cores would just blow up like they had gas in them. We’ve seen ships like the Yamato blow like small suns when destroyed. Here they just break up and burn like F-16s.

It was always my understanding that the Akira class was fitted with a large number of forward firing torpedo launchers because it was a class designed for combating a Borg cube, with the ability to launch huge volleys of torpedoes when making a run at a cube, but that the class wasn't particularly well designed to fight swarms of smaller ships like Jem Had'ar fighters or even ships similar in size as itself. In this regard I would assume that the Akira class would have been very valuable in assaulting the huge Dominion battleships but otherwise not particularly a difference maker. The Idea is that several Akiras work in tandem with a squadron or two of defiant class escorts, with squadrons of Defiant class ships quickly sraffing a cube with their pulse phaser cannons with the Akiras following up with mass torpedo volleys after the pulse phasers have weakened the Borg shields.

Lore Reloaded... my dude... Enjoying your series. Gotta get my nerd on again. I commented on another of your videos. You mention that the Romulans declared war because they caught wind of a Dominion plan to invade the Romulan Empire. I’m curious about your source. If it’s a Star Trek Wiki, or an Alpha Centauri web page, or something like that, I gotta say that I’m impressed if they’re playing it off like it’s cannon. I’m impressed because, in the Star Trek saga, what they did to lure the Romulans into the war would have been “top secret”. It would appear to the Romulans, and any other sentient life in the galaxy that the Dominion was planning to invade the Romulan Empire. The Dominion had no such plans. Watch the DS9 episode “In the pale moon light”. It’s probably one of the best episodes in all of start trek. It’s well written, and it takes Captain Sisco down a path that you wouldn’t believe. In the reality of the Star Trek “universe”, the Dominion was not prepared to take on the Romulan Empire at that time. Seriously watch the episode, it’s really good. I think it’s in the sixth or seventh season.

I just wonder if the Federation kept all the families intact when it went to battle or it made all the kids stay home. One of the things Star Trek Enterprise had that made sense were ship personnel and marines for actual fighting. They made it seem like the marines were unnecessary but we don't train Air Force pilots in how to take a machine gun nest because the specialized skill sets are far more effective than to try to make a jack of all trades officer. If Star Fleet is primarily an exploration fleet, fine, but the Federation seems to get into enough wars to make dedicated armed forces a necessary element.

I would be interested

I Hope we get a Post Nemesis series with a new Massive threat like the Dominion or like in Bryans Singers Star Trek Federation pitch, did you read that Lore could you do a review on it please cause it's great, thanks.

The battles in DS9 always annoyed me to death. You rarely see the shields light up to absorb incoming fire on federation ships. You only see that on the plot shields of the Defiant. In all big battles you always see how Fed ships are devasted, taking heavy damage, or being destroyed without the shields doing anything. What the hell? They already had adapted their shields, why can the weapon platforms just kill a romulan warbird with a few hits, without the shield catching some of the fire? This is stupid to make it more dramatic. I hate these stupid producers and their " lets shit on believability just make it more BOOM". Imbeciles! @Lore reloaded: I agree with you on the Akira. 15 launchers? Yeah right... If the Akira has 4, that is double that of the Galaxy class. Be happy with it and stop your whining. 15 launchers? How many salvos can you fire before you are out of torps? And again, 600 torpedoes while the Galaxy class has 250, despite the fact that the Akira is much smaller..again: Yeah right...

i would have said 5 photon launges two afft 3 forward but thats just a guess i dont know that much about that class of ship

Would you be interested in being part of an armada with my fleet?

Chintoka was probably more for morale than for any great strategic purpose, unless the Federation Alliance saw it as a beachhead from which to move against Cardassia.

I know what your favorite ship is: the Oberth class

If you are a fan of the romulans just imagine after this battle with the centurys of experience in electronic warfare sending cloaked warbirds up and down the frontlines and letting every defencegrid of the dominion that works the same way. if the defiant can do it onm the fly the romulans can do it in their lunchbreak and just smile in a smug and superior way while doing it.

Why don't they use the teleporterpaired with some torpedoes as a weapon?

6:06 i do LOVE me the excelsior class 7:05 and vor'cha 7:21 and that one i wont try to spell LOL

Didn't the romulan warbird use "phasers" several times in TNG episodes? The only one I can recall at the moment is when they were above Iconia homeworld and they destroyed the Iconia probe. Would that still be a disruptor or a phaser? This is from Season 1 or 2 I believe.

I’m up for being in the fleet. Not that high level but would play more if I had a fleet to be part of.

How do I join team Lore?

The dominion wasn't going to invade...? Where do you get that from?

Sources on the Akira shure are strange. I always read it more like they can fire a salvo of up to 15 torps. Galaxys can fire up to 10 torps out of one tube, intrepids rapidfire 2 per tube, so who cares about the numbers, what comes out is the deal and 15 is around the number a galaxy can produce at max, so I go with that. I like the memory-beta version of the excelsior: 14 Type IX; makes sense for a war-refitt if you expect for swarms of small jemhadar fighters to be the main enemy. you want semi-powerful guns, but a lot of them and multiple targetting-arrays to deal with this tactics. having only a few very strong weapons that fire slowly has proven to be dangerous in the past. Galaxys can make it work, but they have the energy-capacity to keep TypeX going.

What are regenerative shields and why don't federation ships have that?

lore it is known that during wartime things change or get refitted to fill more than one role the Akira may of been refitted just for the war with more weapons for example the nebula had about 4 different styles used depending on the role it was needed in ranging from only a few torpedo luanchers to many this is even explained in canon books try reading a few before you say fans that know a ships role are wrong or the show was

I'm sure the Tian a man was lost just prior to the war during a patrol of Cardassian/Dominion boarder?

The Dominion is basically a regime of brute force..."send the Jem'hadar." Brute force only works on the Borg if you have an overwhelming technological superiority (8472). Lacking that, the Dominion would simply play to the Borg's strengths, and get pounded to powder.

klingons and romulans have phaser technology, but prefer disrupters because they are easier to build and maintain. that is why you never see them use them

My things is why didn't they planned to circumvent the Dominion's orbital defense platform first before they launched their attack. A cloaked ship could've got close enough to hack and override the defense platform systems and the Alliance could proceed with their attack on Chin toka and the Dominion would've been like turkies in a barrel.