The Dominion War : A Failed Coup and Dead Starfleet Officers 

Not sure how I didn't point out you can see part 1 of this 2-parter at the beginning. But I'll include the link here - if it seems like I skipped some stuff.. It's probably in part 1. ALSO! I know the beeps are a bit loud - still playing around with that. Will be fixed in tomorrow's video. Part 1: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gm5B2JJAR9U.html

I always took the Changeling that looked like Chief O'Brian to be more significant. It showed that after living on Earth the Changeling started to see solids or at least Human's differently. It may have been the origin of decisions by the great link to make Odo human, not Bajoran, human.

They take care that no one is ever in a room when they do a phaser sweep (other than Odo for test purposes). That indicates to me that the level needed was too dangerous to use on a non-changeling.

sisko did ask his guards blood test him, when all the guards were getting daily rounds of tests. The guards said something like they have orders to not interact with him.

This points out one the Federation's greatest weakness namely its failure to have a proper military capacity and a will to use properly use it.

In the original script as a reaction to Leyton's attempt to take over Earth Vulcan would've seceded. Anyway they simplified the plot as there would be too many things going on. Funny that Leyton's actor played both in Enterprise and B5 characters central to an internal conflict.

I have to wonder as the Dominion War progress would Starfelet reinstate Leyton and Captain Maxwell, but show they can fight and they would need experienced war captains at that point. I also wonder if Leytons coup slowed the upgrade of Excelsiors to Lakota spec. even pulling punches an 80 year old desgin could match a Defiant. That is a worthwhile upgrade.

Starfleet always wanted to be an exploratory and diplomatic arm of the Federation this always led them into conflicts they could have avoided sooner if they were a bit more aggressive as they were in a constant state of appeasement pretty much with anyone hostile. They probably remained more militarized after the dominion war as it was more brutal than other conflicts. This episode and the one you're doing next are some of my favourites for DS9 as they show that humanity still has a dark side. Quark made note of this once saying humans can become more ruthless than the most blood thirsty klingon.

YES! My favorite episode of all time! Can't wait for part 2.

Just found this video in my reccomended tab. I took a gander and I wasn't disappointed. I do agree that a weakness in Star Trek as a whole are with its monoculture take with each major faction and its citizens. I do like how DS9 shows the veraity within the individual characters from each world while trying to keep a balance with their cultural identities. I'll subscribe to see your take on The Pale Moonlight. Good work

I've always assumed that the lack of a ripple of support for Layton's ideas was due to a combination of the pacifistic view of the Federation that we see so strongly with Picard and the fact that any political movement associated with a coup so disingenuous as Layton's was thoroughly discredited and no one would dare advocate for a position which had been so greatly undermined.

its good that Leyton tried a coupe, but its also good that he failed.

You should always try to solve conflicts with words. But people are more likely to listen to words when they know your to strong to beet.

Those beeps burned through my ears

What always weirded me out most was the Cadettes never being called out, apparently being proud, and getting promoted. WTF?!? What was up with them?! Did no one, even themselves, ever understood it? Weird enough not to understand you Sabotage your Homeplanet WHILE DOING IT - but even afterwards??? Weird as all heck. It was never even mentioned again.

This battle was one of my very favorite in the series!

5:25 Memory alpha: "An exception to the treaty [of Algeron] allowed for the limited supervised use of at least one cloaking device on loan from the Romulans. *Operation of the cloaking device was to be limited to the Gamma Quadrant.* In return, the Romulans would receive all information the Federation obtained on the USS Defiant's voyages into the Gamma Quadrant, most importantly any information concerning the Dominion. As such, the Defiant was the only Federation ship to be permanently equipped with a cloaking device." I know Sisko violated this agreement on more than one occasion, but still. In my mind the treaty was, what kept them from cloaking..

I missed a lot of DS9 due to college and working into the evening my first year after college. So, i am not very up on the Dominion War etc. Nice to have a recap. Didn't know about the coup. Good quality videos. I am enjoying them.

Star trek needs to make a new series with a military ship, R rated. Netflix original could do the job.

There were ripples a la Thomas Riker, Eddington & the Maqui. Now, there wasn't some sizable schism of Starfleet where whole crews just commandeered vessels & went off waging war against the Federation central government.

Hey love these break downs of the dominion ship specs and especially of ds9

"Sometimes looking for peace can go to far." There was a British MP who learned this lesson the hard way in the late 1930's. I wonder how WWII would have gone if France and Britain would have attacked German in 1935 or 1936 when Hitler started to violate the terms of the Armistice agreement. They would have been fully within their rights to do this, but they were desperate to have peace in their time, so the let Hitler grow his military power until he was a very real and dangerous threat. One that would require the combined strength of England, the United States, the USSR and France and more than a year to completely defeat. And yes, there were French forces invading with the Allies on D-Day. Those forces that escaped at Dunkirk.

The anti-military sentiment of the Federation has always been a great source of annoyance on my part when it comes to the Star Trek universe. That's why I like to Deep Space Nine later Seasons when the Federation finally decided to nut up or shut up. The same sort of mentality is what I found very annoying about both iterations of the Republic in the Star Wars universe. In both fictional universes these organizations in defiance of all logic left themselves vulnerable for the sake of principle. Even though much of their history has shown that they could be attacked at any time.

Anyone else notice that Captain Bentine is TNG’s Dr. Laura Brauns, designer of the Galaxy Class warp core?

To correct numbers of changelings was 4 not 3. I've been running through the series again good show didn't like it when it first ran but love it for it's story telling. And your channel rocks.

The only time we see a phaser sweep used on a person is when they are testing it on Odo. It's possible that the phaser setting may have been more harmful to humans than changelings.

Remember the events that led up to the Khitomer Conference.

I agree.

If Quark is right how humans change in conflict it would make sense some would follow the Admir as others followed Maquis leaders like Ettington.

I love this analysis, this is a good point both ships could of blown each other straight to hell if they used quantum torpedoes. This explains why the defiant use its usual tactic of slowing down and firing phaser cannon and follow up with 4 quantum. Then again on the flip side the Lakota could have fired all of its phasers at once or used longer pulses and polished off the defiant with its quantums. They both were defiantly holding back.

Most Starfleet Officers or Federation citizens who might have joined up with Layton would have already left to join the Mawkie in their fight with the Cardassians in the badlands DMZ

The way I see it a phaser on heavy stun would, well, heavily stun Sisko. I.e. render him unconscious and out of action for hours or even days, at a critical moment. No wonder he didn't try that.

Some one may have said this already but I notice a lot of the comments basically say something like, "if the 24th century Federation/starfleet would be more willing to kick some ass........." I think that comes from the time we live in. We watch star trek from the perspective of 2 world wars and who-knows-how-many-other military conflicts. In the the 24th century the values of the federation are, for the most part, "peace love and understanding." And when they say that, THEY MEAN IT. Those are core values for them and if they give that up they are coming close to losing what they are. And you hear it all through trek from the 24th century. In the first season of TNG the alien said that the Ferengi may one day grow powerful enough to destroy you(Federation). Riker says, "Our values tell us we have to take that chance." To us they are being preachy. But they believe in that with the same passion as others believe in free speech and the right to bear arms.To us the fact that the federation has to be pushed so hard to fight (Much less get in to a knock down drag out full on war)shows weakness. But after starfleet not being ready for a war they knew was going to happen, and the Federation being pacifistic to the point of being naive, the Federation and its allies did win in the end. It's because of what the Federation stands for. A historic example. Near the end of the war in Europe, the Americans and the U.K. were closing from the west and the USSR was coming from the east. Germans who knew the war was over risked their lives to make it to the west so they would be captured by the Americans. Why? because "Americans treat you right. Russians shoot on sight." (I just thought that up myself ::smirk::) IMO if the Dominion war was ending and starfleet had not been there, (just Romulans and Klingons) the Cardassians would have just left the fight. Maybe they would have gone back to Cardssia and tried to stop the massacre that was going on there. But I think they stayed and helped *starfleet* and then went back to Cardassia with the Federation and it's allies. Why? Because the war is already over. "Starfleet treat you right." "Klingons/Romulans shoot on sight." Also I don't think a Klingon or Romulan could have sent an operative behind the lines to help with the Cardassian underground. It was hard enough sending a Bajorn. But Kira went in as a *starfleet* officer. That gave her credibility that she would not have if she just went as former Bajorn terrorist/freedom fighter. IMHO Sorry for the rant

There is always possible behavior which doesn't happen in a story but could have happened. But in history (especially with war where decisions are documented) that is also true. The question can be; 'why did this leader order an attack when generals argued against it?' or 'Why do some revolutions succeed and other collapse?'. In the end, the way the story played out with Sisko could have happened considering the circumstances. It's plausible.

Personally I think the death of those officers is on the engineers hands, need to stop making the consoles out of C4 or at the very least add some circuit breakers or something to stop the massive power surges.....

I disagree: The episode works so effectively because Jarush Inyo needed to hear sisko’s proposals at the beginning and as a result fed into a slippery slope conditioned by Leyton and his coconspirators ... i feel it carries the tradition of “drumhead” seeing as there definitely was a spy etc etc

Note they Did not want to use photon torpedoes when they was shooting each other as that could of destroyed the defiant (both ships was holding back and the defiant if it used its phase cannons and torpedoes is not match at the start of the battle any way as at the end defiant only had ablative armor protecting it shields was down),, both ships they used phasers only and most likely not even at full power (even the defiant did not use the Phaser cannons for same reason they only wanted to disable or not even fight) she stood down when he ordered her to use photon torpedoes to destroy the defiant (as the ablative armor is semi resistant to energy fire to a point, torpedoes without shields well that's bit more deadly)

Using your logic, Sisko and Garak were wrong to kill that Romulan Senator and turn the tide of the war.

Hey Lore Reloaded, just wanted to voice this, at some point do you think you could do some videos about the Vorkosigan saga, or Babylon 5?

Watching that two parter a few years after 9/11 was eerie.

USS Lakota, captained by Captain Benteen? They were really pushing the envelope with that one.

The ship could not be cloaked, because of the legal agreement with the Romulans government only to use the cloak in the gamma quadrant. The use of the cloak was in exchange intelligence information on the Dominion. The federation were barred by a previous peace Treaty with the Romulans government not to use any cloaking technology in the alpha quadrant.

I question how far such a coup attempt would have continued without Leyton. If Benteen (who Sisko commented was one of the closest participant in the coup attempt to him) had already abandon him, it doesn't makes sense for the others to charge ahead. They are Starfleet officers after all. With the coup attempt being discovered, that might have tempered the others. Whatever justification Leyton sold to them to gain their loyalty and support (under the guise of UFP safety) probably came crashing down once the truth was discovered of what was really going on.

When that changeling said they didn't have to do much to scare the federation he wasn't wrong. The federation was so desperate to maintain the facade of paradise on Earth that any shadow of trouble would cause a massive overreaction and admiral layton's planned coup against the federation council would be exhibit a. It's clear that the federation had lost sight of the need for self defense and was panicking because they realized their delusional world was collapsing around them.

It was odd to see the Enterprise B model, and in such a random encounter.

question what are the differences between quantum and photon torpedoes and are there any reasons that one would use photon ones when they have accesses to quantum ones ?

I dont watch star wars but this looks interesting what series and episode is this, I'll check it out on Netflix

Very good video. Only suggestion is to eliminate or reduce the volume of the sound effects in minute 4 and 5 as the cause me to be unable to hear your voice.

The audio balance for those popup text boxes are way off, especially at that particular ear splitting pitch.

Did admiral freeded ben max well?

26 Causalities doesn't always = death. It means out of action.

Question where do you get your sound effects?

2:30 they didn't try that because they already "proved" it with the blood test, if you had been in that room unaware of truth, would you want further testing, or would you take that for what you saw?

So much Halo reference. Arbiter. Truth.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too loud sounds @ 5:00. Otherwise, nice.

Minor nitpick. There were FOUR Changelings on Earth. Not three

How about a show detailing how Star Fleet seems to be human dominated. Is this on purpose as humanity fears being on the low end of the totem pole?

Just wondering. Would Section 31 know about/ be okay with this happening?

so you want a star fleet that always attacks first never asks questions?

Nice video, but the sound that you play when bringing up ship info is a bit loud and drowns out your voice. It sounds like you stacked the sound bit 2 or 3 times over its at around 5:10 causing the sound effect to be loud and harsh. Anyway I don't think that the coup would have lasted very long, Layton had to use lies to get his officers to do what he wanted. If you have to lie to have people follow you, don't expect any long term success.

If the coup was successful, the Dominion would have won. Using modern history as an example, any coup justified or not leads to civil unrest and civil war war. The conflict post coup would weaken or completely tear apart the Federation. For the Dominion, a divided enemy as an easily conquered enemy.

#LeytonDidNothingWrong

"Arbiters of bigotry & malice"...ok...I'm Here... ...you may continue...

Where was section 31 in all this? I’m guessing they would have been involved in the coup attempt but they wouldn’t have been so overt about it.

I disagree, it was smart for Starfleet to be pacifistic because it made the Dominion look like the bad guys. For example it doesn't matter how many ships you have, you need allies. If Starfleet was more militaristic it could have triggered a war between the Romulans or any other power

So much beclowning going on in this vid, words fail.

I’m not sure a Federation under martial law would be just as bad as the Dominion... They don’t genocide governments they don’t agree with, or just glass planets. Sort of like saying the USA under martial law would be as bad as North Korea. Why am I typing this? I’m a year late.

I love how *Homefront* and *Lost Paradise* predict ISIS methods to drive fear into the heart of their enemies (West) to mak them alienate anyone that is an alien (immigrant). Pun intended.

Sick, spineless pacifists would always win out. How sad. I'm a hawk, a warrior, a warmonger. Always will b and I'm proud of it.

plz o lord let the comment section not go political

Maybe turn down the tech/system spec sound effects ̶a̶̶̶ ̶̶̶b̶̶̶i̶̶̶t̶̶̶ a lot. They're louder than your talking.

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this is just another reason why I hate star trek!