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I was verry young when this came out, winnitoe and oldshatterhand, those indians where real indians, they didnt need saddles like other western movies. Where indians ride with sadles .... Nice to see this again afther soooooo manny years. thanks to who this vid posted
Filmed in ex Yugoslavia(Croatia now,near "Paklenica"i think there is small museum too)..indian warriors played mostly by local Serbs and Croats,exept main Actors.
The good old Winnetou Movies from the sixties.They showed it every Sunday afternoon here in Germany when we were Kids.Not realistic,logic or historically correct but we loved it and after that we went outside to Play Cowboys and Indians.
En France pareil.....c'était les premiers films de guerre que l'on voyait....à 9-10 ans en 60 on y croyait....on ne connaissait pas l'histoire des états Unis....on n'avait pas beaucoup de culture du cinéma....le cinéma c'était.... les noirs et blancs c'était des Laurel et Hardy...ou Buster Keaton...
It's hard enough to hit a target at a distance while you are standing steady. Near impossible when you are moving and bumping up and down on the back of a horse. I used to watch all these westerns as a kid. Now that I'm more tactically aware, the improbabilities are overwhelming. Attacking a fortified position, held by soldiers with longer range and superior firepower, in broad daylight, with no cover, would be foolhardy.
I don't know about that, the Parthians, Mongols, Central Stepp tribes, Tartars ... all managed to do it with bows and arrows from horseback, wouldn't it be even more likely to do so with a rifle?
@@emadbagheri Not exactly since rifles at that time period were not that accurate to begin with. Plus the slightest movement could send the bullet completely off course.
Due to hunting buffalos, the indians were used to hit targets from horse back. And they wouldnt bump up and down so much, because they learn riding at age of 10 or less.
We are Chiricahua not mescalero most mescalero live in new mexico Chiricahua live in San Carlos I know this because I'm 100% apache and Aztec at the same time I always be in San Carlos
In that case you must protest the title of the video. Apaches were the original inhabitants of the land called America. So, the title should be........... Between AMERICAN STATE Vs White Immigrants.
I grew up in the 1960s, born 1957, but I had one scenario I played an awful lot. Two movies that really influenced me were Cavalry Charge, 1951, Ronald Reagan, and Major Dundee, 1965, Charlton Heston. Well, as a result of those 2 movies I had Union, Confederates, and Cowboys setting aside their differences to fight Native Americans and a 100 or so Mexican Soldiers from my Alamo set. It was a little more even fight as few Native Americans had guns, so adding Mexican Army with guns, and both sides had Cannons. Union also 5 Gatling Guns (souvenir pencil sharpeners). Of course, if you ever wanted to play Super Heroes back in those days you always had a Native American as your 'Archer'/'Hawkeye type'! LOL So at least one got to be on the winning side. I might have used one with a shield as 'Captain Apache' too. It's been 50+ years, I have forgotten stuff. 😀
Amazingly, the last verified Civil War veteran died perhaps less than a year before you were born, with the possibilities of the last surviving into your lifespan. History is quite near eh? In 1957, the oldest person in the world was born in 1845.
I guess my son was a little weird too. I married later than most and I bought my son toy Soldiers with various colors and also British, Canadian, German, Japanese, and Russian. After 60 year (at that time) and Godzilla movies, my son had the Japanese on the Allies side! LOL. He also called the Germans (and Grey) the Arab Coalition.
Yeah, most Native Americans never saw much value in "brave" charges and fights to the death if they could be avoided, mobility hit and run guerrilla tactics were the Apaches thing. They didn't keep resisting for hundreds of years by getting mowed down like that.
Of course.This is german movie made i former Yugoslavia.I remember these movies about Winetou & Old Shuterhand as a kid.They didn't care of accuracy. For example in some scenes you can see touristic bus in the background (it was maded in touristic region of Plitvice lake) the cowboys use to have 20th century watches on their hands etc.It was serial of 5-6 movies, all fom first part of 60,s. The most funny thing was when Apachie spoke in german language. (here is sinchronised on slovakian, or some similar language)
@@Velthur not all Turkish people are Christian. Anybody who kill unarmed and innocent people is the enemy of the humanity no matter he is white, Christian or Müslim.
The revolvers appear to be the .44 Colt Model 1873 Single Action Army although as I said the rate of fire seems to double action. This reminds me of the .36 Colt Model 1851 Navy revolvers and the Remington in The Good The Bad and The Ugly which are shown as .44-calibre cartridge revolvers when they were percussion revolvers. Indeed in the final showdown you can see the percussion caps on Angeleye's Remington despite the cartridge belt. Plus the holsters are wrong. Re the Winchester, the first was the Pattern 1866 Yellow Boy with a brass receiver. It was followed by the Henry and then the iconic Pattern 1873 also in .44. These appear to be Model 1894s but that is a fairly common 'inaccuracy' noting the rarity and cost of the earlier models even as replicas. I once had a replica .44 Pattern 1873 made for a German Western that never eventuated. It was a lovely rifle nickel-plated and the wood was German mahogany.
@@andrewstackpool4911 Hollyweird has been getting better for years until Django Unchained set in 1858-60 came along with the final third including a lever action not a Yellow Boy ( the Henry would have been 1863 at earliest) Dynomite 1867 IIRC and boattail bullets for the rifles. Ruined an otherwise good piece of entertainment. Of course one of the worst offenders in an otherwise great western was The Comancheros which had both Winchesters and Peacemakers in a movie set before 1845 in Texas before it becoming part of the US.
Curious, as a kid I used to play with my "Fort Apache" playset, we allways made the indians attacking the fort, just like that. But for our frustration there were no movies showing such things, only attacks on wagon caravans, open field, etc. So the germans made it! Hahahahahaha
Winnetou and old Shatterhand. Nice movies eventhough they were eastgerman/ yugoslav in origin. I played with my fort laramie and my jean an timpo toys. Thosewere the days!
If that was near Bracketville Texas, then it must have been the movie set for filming the movie "The Alamo." That was back in the 60's. The entire set became a tourist attraction until it was finally closed and demolished around 2018.
Stimmt, aber dieser Angriff ist weit ab von der Realität. Auch Mescaleros haben gewusst, dass man eine Festung nicht auf diese Art angreifen kann, wenn man nicht Selbstmörder ist. Keine systematische Belagerung, keine Leitern um die Palisade zu überwinden, keine Artillerie um in die Palisade eine Bresche zu schiessen, keine Laufgräben für die Annäherung in Deckung, keine Mörser um Granaten in die Festung zu schiessen. Summe keinerlei europäische Belagerungstaktik. Aussichtslos.
Stammeskrieger gegen Festungen. Schon Caesar hat vor über 2000 Jahren geschrieben, dass die Belagerung von Festungen nicht gerade die starke Seite seiner gallischen Gegner war. Und die waren mit ihrem Kriegerethos in mancherlei Hinsicht mit den Indianervölkern vergleichbar.
Very good movie clip! It is full of heroic action of frontline soldiers. This is what happens when a soldier serves the frontline action. Forward move toward "Life and Death" with only a very small chance to return to civilian life and be with beloved ones of their own family.
It's a german series, but not really series, more movies with same actors from germany, winnetou 1, winnetou 2, winnetou 3 and many more. all in the 60s and 70s, I think. Winnetou is always Piere Brice, a french actor, his friend is Old Shatterhand, Lex Barker. Karl May was a writer, often read by young boys. Friendship and humanity was most important in the books. The movies... of course, all young boys loved it, but the books are much bettern than the movies.
Always got a kick out of the illogic of westerns from before 1970 or so. Where did the Army get the timber to build that log fort in the middle of that desert where there are no trees?
As a kid I played AMONG the Adobe walls of the fort, it was built on top of a mountain, arrow heads were still in the walls. It overlooked the tracks of the battlerfield stage coach
This is a west German production, pure ((Hollywood) wild imagination. I used to set up my Marx playset and play this scene over again and again. I had the Indians win many times.
Admit not a film I have seen before although watched most as a kid back in the '70's, John Waynes/John Ford's triology my favourites along with Richard Widmark in Cheyenne Autumn.Cannot doubt the bravery of the Apache but doubt any General in his right mind would open the fort gates to fire several cannon rounds through. Rate of fire would be insufficient, a couple of gatling guns a different story! Apache incredible skill to be able to fire whilst not holding the reins of his horse, and unfortunate explosion. A final charge would have definitely won the day if needed.Certainly a great action scene
Any daytime attack on this fort will fail without guns (artillery) to breach the gates or ramparts. Riding around the fort will result in decimation of the attackers for nothing gained. There were no scaling ladders either, meaning the attack was badly planned and doomed to failure. The fort just had to keep its doors shut to win.
5:07 looked like the horse tripped over an Indians leg... hope it was alright... Never cool to hurt animals for entertainment, accidentally or otherwise. The white horse above also falls, but nothing trips it, and the one closest to bottom comes crashing into screen, so it's entirely possible they were just trained to fall. Horses are damn good actors!
The artillery would be firing canister not explosive shells and in addition no one would be using open flames to fire cannon friction primers were in use for quite a long time. Gunpowder would be stored in a magazine not sitting out in the open.
Why on Earth are you trying to make sense of this? They're using torches, it's completely inaccurate and the cannon looks more 15th century than mid/late 19th.
Frontal attacks were brutal, they were used for over a hundred years, example “ Gettysburg “ also the VC used frontal attacks until they realized that they were losing way too many soldiers.
Well no one can say those Apaches didn't have Cojones. Attacking such a well-fortified fort, with such superior technology- on horseback- in broad daylight? that takes balls of steel.
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Very poor use made of the cannons. Also why are troopers standing in the open instead of behind cover?
I'd love to see more movies where the Indians beat the US Cavalry (and government) who did their best to wipe them out, aside from Custer's Last Stand.
There are many movies where the indians beat the us-cavalry! They did their best to wipe them out completely - they kill all the soldiers and took the survivors to their villages to torture them
This is a movie made in Spain called Fuerte Perdido (Doomed Fort); it was also released as Massacre at Fort Grant. I initially thought it had been dubbed into Spanish, but the entire cast seems to be Spaniards. (Which explains why the Apaches don't look much like Indians.) There was a Fort Grant in Arizona that was involved in the Apache wars, but this entire scene seems to be fiction.
politics ? no . history ? no . I enjoy stunt horses ! Turn the head to the opposite side of impact and fall (actually a roll) onto the hip or shoulder . rider is off , it jumps back up , unharmed . see a nose plant into the dirt ? its been tripped . very dangerous .
I find 'funny' that when cannon shot explodes, the Indians are 'killed', but the horse gets up uninjured. And, when the soldiers and Indians are hit, you see no blood.
