Andrew Blanchard the Genesis Device detonating and quoting Moby Dick does a pretty good job of saying "I hate you and just die" too. It also says "if I'm going down, I'm taking you with me"
@@JohnMasterCheif If you're a starship, activating the auto-destruct sequence and killing the boarding party who plans to take Information from you after killing your captain's son does a fine job of saying "Fuck YOU in particular" as well
Of course, they only survived seven weeks in shuttles by eating two midshipmen and the ship's barber. Bet they don't tell about THAT at Starfleet Academy. Oh no.
I believe Picard's retaliation was justified. Unknown Ferengi vessel attacked the Stargazer without warning, provocation, nor justification. So yeah, someone attacks you, assuming you're able to, you attack back harder than you were attacked. :)
@@Garvey64LIVE64 Thankfully, I only had to do that once in my life. Someone made a derogatory joke toward me. I told the person to *"shut up",* that *"if he wasn't going to talk respectfully towards me that he was going to wish he hadn't".* He continued calling me names before I sucker punched him in the chest and elbowed him in the back.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the movie era ship designs, especially the Miranda, Constituion refit, and Constellation class, are the best. Great work.
We need two new series with a young Picard from the Naussican incident to the invention of the Picard maneuver ending with his taking command of the Enterprise-D. For the second season, we keep hearing about Mogh, Worf biological father. What was he like who was his wife like to birth Worf and Kurn, what really happened on khitomer
I get a huge boner for Excelsior class. I'm glad the showmakers were lazy and kept it around. It made the ship even better! Imagine making a class of ships so awesome they just keep refitting it and basically kept the almost exact design for a hundred years.. Lol take that Constitution! Take that Constellation! Take that Miranda! And in the Lower Decks, you can see they refitted it AGAIN with sovereign style in warp nacels!!
It's funny how this video showed that Picard lost the Stargazer just 9 years before he took command of the Galaxy Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D which either was just starting construction at the Utopia Planitia Shipyards in Mars orbit or was still on the drawing boards with it's initial design being worked out by her designers along with her sister ships the U.S.S. Galaxy and the U.S.S. Yamato when the Battle of Maxia occured.
USS galaxy was the test bed. They used her to iron the kinks out. Yamato was the first ship off the production line. After they opted to name the 3rd ship Enterprise and declare her flagship of the fleet they built several more and a significant number of sub assemblies cached at various yards. During the dominion war this allowed Starfleet to literally slap together several Galaxy class ships in weeks
Awesome recreation, but I recently rewatched "The Battle" and I have one "nitpick". During his hallucinations under the control of the thoughtmaker device Picard recalled being told by another bridge officer that the attackers were coming back around for a third pass. Other than that, even eight years later this looks great!
From what I've heard Ferengi ships at that time didn't have sensors like a starfleet ship had. They didn't have the ftl subspace sensors, just regular light speed sensors. So when Picard warped at the Ferengi ship, when he arrived light was still coming from the previous location as well as the new location, so it looked like the ship was in two places at once. The Ferengi were still attacking the old ship image while the Stargazer unleashed a barrage of fire at point blank range at the same time.
Wasn't it a hail mary? as the sublight was down and only a burst of warp left... let them get in and fire knowing they will back off because its better for profit to capture than destroy. Once they think the ship is defenseless they come about and lower sheilds to board, warp then jab them with the phasers and a salvo of photon torps. No profit.
As I understand it that's how the Piccard maneuver is described, but the author of the video added a cool feature which was firing the torpedoes from the previous position before the warp jump. Thus not only creating the mirror image, but also a false sense of being attacked from two vectors.
Actually the JJ films are quite unimaginative (re-using established characters, recycling stories with minor twists etc.). As for a "grand story arc" similar to something out of DS9 you have me lost. I would be more than happy for new experiences, i.e. new characters, new stories, new ideas. It's odd to say he is a bangwagon jumper when in my experience the biggest bandwagon around is composed of people who will not except criticism of the films in any way.
Actually it was only 9 years prior to the Enterprise D launching. The battle you referred to is the one in which Stargazers prior captain was killed and Picard took command. He spent over 20 years on Stargazer as the captain.
The best defensive maneuver is a preemptive offensive maneuver. Those photon torpedoes and phaser blasts should have been the first order of business. Not sitting there doing nothing while an unknown (and potentially hostile) alien ship rapidly approaches without provocation nor any attempt at communication.
@@nodak81 you need to remember that the federations(aka Starfleet) policy when finding new races and civilizations is to *never fire first only fire when fired upon* or if the unknown vessel shows hostile intent.
@BFGfreak Yes the manoeuvre is "slowed down" here to emphasise the effect. It was done even more so in the episode "The Battle". Even at a distance of the moon from the earth the light would catch up after one second, and the ship in the episode appears in two places for ages even though it has moved only about 1km in the warp jump judging from the view.
This is the greatest 3D sim of trek I've ever seen. I can't begin to explain the pride and joy I feel in seeing this and can only vaguely imagine the work put into it. On a techncial side I give it 100 out of 100. On an artistic side of knowing good emotional cinemotography and star trek drama I give it 115 out of 100. Purely the best thing out there. You need to do movies, totally.
Odd to abandon ship. Even if life support fails, you still should have space suits. Besides, there must be life support in all the lifeboats! The original ship is likely to have stuff that can help you, unless it is about to blow up..
The first batch of Constellation Class ships had defective fire suppression systems that were later fixed, but the Stargazer never got around to having the newer systems installed due to being on such long term missions.
Yeah never understood that since the ship really didnt seem all that damaged years later. Seems like you vent her to space, kill the fires, then slowly try to make some kind of repairs. At least to the Communications systems. For atmosphere fix transporters and beam oxygen up from the planet, or surely the ship carries some back up atmosphere. Better to limp home in a wrecked ship than hope shuttlecraft make it that far as slow as they were. Even if Warp is out, still trying to fix commo would mean a faster rescue. And I doubt all 4 warp nacelles were out.
The options are either this or the thing from Star Trek Legacy for how Picard took command of the Stargazer. Personally I prefer legacy's version as it involved Picard taking command and promptly setting to work, coordinating a small task force to save 3 planets from destruction.
I'm so late on discovering this but it's absolutely amazing work! I loved the lingering distant shots of the Stargazer passing the planets in system, it really gave a wonderful sense of the immensity of outer space, making the whole thing feel more like a lonely frontier. Magnificent. And the torpedo volley being fired at where the target is going to be rather than a direct close range shot was wonderful too, so often in ST the ship to ship engagements are portrayed at such close ranges. I love this so much, thank you for all your work and for sharing it! :)
Yes that would be an important procedure to prevent the technology from falling into the wrong hands. According to a novel that references these events, the auto destruct was offline and the ship was set on course to burn up in a planet's atmosphere. Presumably Daimon Bok found it before it had burnt up and took it before the USS Zhao returned to check. Hence no trace of the ship.
Me too, but Trek got it from the '53 War of The World's movie. When I was a kid my buddy and I use to throw rocks at our towns water tower. It was a huge drum from the ground up and the top of it was an overhanging saucer shape that looked just like the Jupiter 2, which was very cool. Anyway, when you hit it with a rock it sounded EXACTLY like a photon torpedo. I've always figured that's where they got the sound.
It's written in a Star Trek novel that Picard has put the ship on course to burn up in a planet's atmosphere. The text caption near the end explains that the rescue ship searched for the Stargazer to secure Federation technology, but they were unable to find it.
Nicely done and it makes me really happy to see my Zhao being used in an animation as good as this. I'm really surprised at how good it did turn out being so low-poly. I keep thinking or doing those ships again in much more accurate and higher poly versions.
5:55 a close up of the front of the Constellation class USS STARGAZER it looks like a 24th century version of the NX-01 class deflector the forward grill is actually the deflector dish , it wasn't lit for some reason , but if you buy the constellation class model , the instruction sheet tells you that you can use either dark faded blue or dark grey/gold depending on your preference , I say buy both & do them both ways. 😃
Dont change, it is perfect. In fact after DS9 we have many fast paste battles. For me the best battle is balance of terror, slow that show how each commander take key decisions to the moment. Your clip show the how the Stargazer was desperated under fire and Picard found a way to overcome. Feel real to me :)
Actually Picard took command of the Stargazer in 2333 during a different completely battle (one version is portrayed in the novel "The Valiant"). This battle took place in 2355, 9 years before TNG season 1 (2364).
So Picard was a captain of the same ship for almost 20 years and never got promoted to Admiral during that time? Sounds like a dead career if you ask me.
I would love to watch a Stargazer series, I think it could be really interesting. Also really, really want a Riker/Troi Titan series... but with Picard now out I suppose they are too old for one and I wouldn't want to see them recast for Titan...
You know every time I watch this video I can't help but notice how the music tone of this video sounds almost like the music score from Star Trek the Motion Picture.
Re. superhero-like characters, I believe I adequately explained what I mean in my previous comments. I don't deny they are successful movies but I think Star Trek has always been better as episodic TV which can tell stories and explore issues without having to have a villain hell-bent on destroying the Earth. To be honest I'd rather not argue about it. I don't have a hate campaign against them, I just ignore them.
I'm speechless. VERY good renderings of all the ships and the Maxia Zeta system. You even threw in a score remininscent of the early days of Star Trek The Next Generation. Some crew and bridge scene renderings would've been nice, but I have to agree with another commentator on here; better than anything Paramount ever came up with!
Beautiful work! You really did a great job of capturing the style of the special effects used in the series. The explosions and sounds truly emulate those seen in TNG and the Trek movies but what's most impressive, is that you can tell this story without a single line of dialogue. You even capture the sense of isolation and uncertainty that the crew would have felt traveling in shuttles for 7 weeks, leaving behind the ship that they used to call home. Space opera at it's finest... Bravo!
brams has said he is not a fan of "old" Star Trek, how can you be inspired by something you dislike? I don't hate everything that's new, in fact if this film wasn't a Star Trek film and had its own characters I might enjoy it. When TNG came out (I'm too young to rmbr this) people were up in arms about new destroying what was good about the old etc. We can look back now and see how ridiculous that was. This is totally different. Anyhow I respect the views of anyone who thinks differently.
What was never explained in TNG, was why Picard didn't set the auto destruct before abandoning the Stargazer. The ship was set adrift for anyone, in this case the Ferengi, to capture, basically intact.
A backstory in a novel explains that the systems to do that were offline. So Picard ordered the ship to be put on a course to burn up in a gas giant's atmosphere, but it was retrieved by Bok before that happened.
Years later, Picard’s first officer: Commander Riker, would perform what would come to be known as the Riker Maneuver. Basically, getting rash, impatient, and inexperienced enemies to blow themselves up by collecting and releasing highly reactive gas in the line of their weapons fire. KABOOM!😁😎 Numpty-headed Son’a…
in the war games episode riker is in command of the USS hathaway, which is the same class of ship as the stargazer. if i remember right, there is something about that class of ship that allows riker to pull off the manuever. riker was studying picard's service record to get an idea of his tactics so he could beat him.
-Completely devoid of Gene Roddenberry's philosophy -Recycled scenes from previous movies as misplaced homages that don't work because the characters are not as dear to us. E.g. Spock and Kirk have hardly known each other and not been through all the events of TOS (Edith Keeler, Pon Farr etc.) that actually establishes their relationship. -Characters have superhero-like abilities rather than being human. Emphasis being on the physical rather than societal/cultural improvement of humankind
That would be standard procedure I would have thought. In a novel it's stated that the system was off-line, so Picard ordered the ship be put on a trajectory to burn up in a planet's atmosphere.
military protocol, they would have destroyed the ship, no way would they leave it unattended, after an attack. we scuttle ships and aircraft are equipped with systems that fry the electronics.
Yeah, backstory in a novel explains that the systems to do that were offline. So Picard ordered the ship to be put on course to burn up in a gas giant's atmosphere, but it was retrieved by Bok before that happened.
Starfleet is not a military force as we know it. No reason to think that they would follow the same doctrines as a modern military esp if they were not currently at war.
***** Starfleet is not a modern military. It is a collection of scientists and explorers that can show their teeth when needed. They live (in this timeframe) in a world with little strife. A failed pirate attack would not necessarily trigger wartime security measures i.e. scuttling disabled starships.
During the battle, the captain and first officer of the Stargazer were killed and Jean-Luc Picard took command and became the acting C.O., but at that time, he only had the rank of lieutenant.
@@jimkirk216 The Legacy incident that killed the Stargazer's original captain was years before the Battle of Maxia. In fact, the Battle of Maxia was nine years before Picard took command of the Enterprise-D.
@djmarkski2000 Yes the damage seemed light even in the episode "The Battle". Maybe it was radiation or something. They stated the ship suffered considerable internal fire damage. Maybe someone left the grill on during the battle? :)
Okay. I'm new to this channel. Are these stories Canon; from books and movies? Or are you just making stuff up? Either way it's very well done and I enjoy watching.
There was an era in Starfleet's history where someone had bypassed the Starboard Aesthetic Interlock... good lord the Constellation and Oberth class ships were ugly.
It's closer to NCC-1701-A (My absolute favorite 1701) on the outside so its pleasing in that way but I somewhat dislike the interior it really doesn't work for me per se.
Disagreeing is entirely ok. =) Sure the nacelles and the pylons are different, but I was mostly commenting upon the general flavor. I still prefer the TOS version.
I didn't think the Obereth class was ugly, just silly (you can't get into that huge secondary hull). The Constellation was just a kitbash originally intended only as a model for Picard's office. It really has a thrown together, kitbashed look rather than an elegant design.
Never really understood the motive behind the Ferengi attack. Bok's later actions could perhaps be explained by his want of revenge for the death of his son, but why did his son attack the Stargazer in the first place? What rationale would make it something Ferengi would do? Fearing the Stargazer would seize some of the system's mineral wealth/interfere in their profits, perhaps (making the attack 'profitable' if it succeeded)?
The Ferrengi operate on the principle that if you can steal it, profit from it. They probably wanted the Photon Torpedoes, or everything the could jack from the ship.
The Federation picked it up and rebuilt it to be used again. Had to delete that, STO says that the Stargazer help prelude the Stargazer class and it's first name was the USS Stargazer-A
Alex zander Sorry I'm late but no, there is a USS Intrepid-A but the reason the Stargazer-A was build is because the original Stargazer was retired or decommissioned. So Starfleet built the Stargazer-A to be the prototype for the stargazer class
Finally, Stargazer was shown in during the early first-season STNG episode set in the 24th Century (c. 2363 CE) while the new Constellation-class was mention in out-takes from the the Star Trek IV film set in 2293 CE. That's 70 years -- a long time to be experimental.
@DazhFX They are at 4:47 when the ship is about to make the warp jump. I could have had them permanently lit, but I prefer it only when the ship is using its warp drive.
Thanks! Yes, I wouldn't even attempt modeling people realistically, I would rather use actors on green screen! Picard simply says they drifted for weeks until they were picked up, so the details of that I added in as I saw fit. Jack Crusher died a year before this battle on an away mission, hence the lack of any conversation about it between Beverly and Picard in "The Battle".
The Stargazer, according to Trek hisyory, was build around 2276. Now, if it was commissioned & went active by 2290, it still would be over 35 years old. (The Ambassador class was already around while Picard was still in command of the Stargazer.) In a TNG episode, the Hathawatwas said to be 80 years old.....If the Ferengi ship was new tech, the Stargazer was already outdated, especially if she was caught with shields down.
Picard: Fire phasers and six torpedoes at the other ship Tactical Officer: Captain don't you think that's a little excessive? Picard: No one.....messes with Picard.
@tharpdevenport NO EFFORT ??? lol it only took days to get all the sound effects right. The L-R channels are adjusted for the position of the source of the sound in the video, that took long enough. As for the other point this battle is set in 2355 which is certainly not TOS era and only 9 years prior to TNG. I doubt that the phasers are of 23rd century vintage even if they outwardly appear similar. If you watch DS9 battles with older classes, when they fire phasers they are the way shown here.
@sfs2040 Yes I agree novels are not canon in a strict sense but I can treat them as canon if they don't conflict with anything established in the series or films.
@Fektthis I personally think the maneuver wasn't used before simply because it has been stated that pretty much every race used sensors that would detect such a maneuver and would have their targeting systems track the actual ship instead of the light ghost. The unknown ship they encountered showed signs that their sensor didn't track object moving at warp, so suddenly seeing 2 ships would work. On that note, "detecting gas moving faster than light" was pretty weak.
"Who attacked first, it doesn't matter. Once it starts there is always a wrong which needs to be righted, always an attack which needs to be avenged. Memory is short, hatred is long, and truth is the first casualty." Alita, Battle Angel. Ain't that the truth.
By far one of the best, if not the best animations on star trek out on RU-vid, fantastic, we all appreciate your fine work, thanks.... And please do more ;) Adam
@FLAME4564 Thanks. It was a Ferengi scout ship called "Seventy-Fifth Rule" according to the the TNG novel The Buried Age. That rule is: "Home is where the heart is, but the stars are made of latinum."
I find it hard to believe no one ever thought to use ftl to create multiple images, it’s such a simple concept. Light travels slower than you, so you can get in front of it and create two images.