Hyperstone is definitely up there (Top 10 easily) but Rocket Knight Adventures takes the cake for me. Konami quality AND an original exclusive. I miss THIS Konami so much!
For me the best thing about the Megadrive is the 3-button control scheme. Having a dedicated run button makes it so much easier to do the dash moves, and more fun for me
Yeah the run button actually really changes how I play the MD version, it’s quite nice how it gives that version a unique feel. You have to wonder considering the SNES has 3 more buttons available why they didn’t include it on there as well! 😅 In fairness you can turn on the option to manually dash but you have to double tap a direction for it which isn’t as good.
At a time when many arcade ports were significant downgrades, the SNES and Genesis versions of these games stood out as excellent versions with awesome sound and gameplay. Easily some of the best beat-em-ups of the era only rivaled (in my opinion) by Streets of Rage. I think Hyperstone Heist really utilizes the Genesis chip well and is one of the absolute best soundtracks on the system.
Even though the SFC version has less frames of animation and looks compromised from the arcade version, I preferred the SFC version because the gameplay mechanics seemed tighter in terms of being able to pull off the “throw enemy through the screen” and the “slam enemy back and forth” moves. The arcade version felt more unforgiving and felt like it was made to take more of your money. It was a special time for the SFC/SNES because we got Street Fighter II and this in what felt like a short timespan. Great times!
The SNES version is technically superior and more like the arcade, but megadrive one is my favourite, it's playability is delicious, and is much fair than the arcade and SNES one (Slash combat is very, very unfair, for example) Fantastic show!
Both games are piss easy, my cousin and I beat this on our first try on a rental back in the day, we couldn't believe it was over that fast. A friend of mine and myself played the Genesis version years later, and again, both of us pretty much blew through the game on the first try.
Thanks for covering the Turtles best times on consoles with their 16-bit incarnations! Got both japanese SFC and US Genesis CIB as gems in my collection, and love them both, one completing the other! Greetings from Brazil, Mark!
Turtles in Time is hands down truly the best TMNT game ever and one of the best beat em up along with Streets of Rage 2 and also one of the best video games about time travel along with Chrono Trigger. The soundtrack is just iconic and I really love how Konami did excellent job converting it to both SNES and Mega Drive. Despite not being arcade perfect, SNES port is pretty much better game than the Arcade version due to the port being much more balanced and the changes and new features make the overall game more interesting. Shredder sending the turtles back in time in Technodrome makes more sense than in sewer, at least in my opinion. Animations and voice samples being missing from SNES port can be expected. Konami did impressive job by having most of their SNES games on 8-megabit cartridges, yet larger SNES cartridge sizes weren't enough for Capcom. I'm definitely going to get Turtles in Time for my SNES. The only TMNT game I have is TMNT: Tournament Fighters for SNES. The Hyperstone Heist is very good TMNT game for Mega Drive and counterpart of Turtles in Time. I like the expanded intro featured in The Hyperstone Heist. I have heard rumors about The Hyperstone Heist originally being planned as a port of 1989 TMNT Arcade game, which might be reason why Baxter Stockman appears as human rather as a mutated fly, or a game based on 1990 TMNT movie, which could explain why Tatsu is one of the bosses. Maybe Konami decided to combine both of the planned game ideas with gameplay and story elements from Turtles in time in order to create unique TMNT game for Mega Drive. I find the altered unlockable version included in TMNT 3: Mutant Nightmare and the demake by Ubisoft just bland. Pizza Power is only positive thing from The Coming Out of Their Shells and truly deserved to be included in Turtles in Time. Yes, I have seen both Nostalgia Critic and AVGN's crossover review and Phelous' review of it.
The best addition to the 16bit home ports are the stun animation and hit sparks (on SNES) when hitting enemies. It makes combat much more satisfying. They probably also changed hit detection in general, a big upgrade.
Thank you for this Mark, IMO this is still (even in 2020) 1 of the best beat em up's ever made against the likes of Double Dragon, Final Fight & Streets of Rage 2, crazy to think how well these games still hold up nearly 30 years later! :)
@@gabrielloko30000 Nope, It was legit. I got Street Fighter 2 Turbo japanese version too from the same salesman, 100% legit. Both was complete with box, manual and all the good stuff that comes in the box.
@@ZinhoMegaman Sorry! What i tried to meant is to actually agree that is something rare to see in Brazil. You mostly see bootlegs copies on sale, but when you see a original copy, with box and everything is almost a MUST buy
@@gabrielloko30000 Sorry too for the misunderstanding, I had at least 2 bootlegs but at that time seeing legit US at rental was normal, japanese on the other hand I only had seen a few.
Konami make some good SNES games back in the day. I remember renting this and it was amazing to be playing this at home. For the time it appeared arcade perfect. I'm bet it sold like hotcakes back in the day.
It sure did sell well. I worked at a game import shop when this was new. The Super Famicom version sold like crazy despite being quite an expensive title.
The arcade game sure is iconic and beautiful for its time, it was like playing de cartoon, but it is also an unfair quarter muncher. Not as bad as the first Tmnt game, but I'd take the much more balanced and fair SNES and MegaDrive versions everytime.
Yeah, both Turtles arcade games would send bigger groups of enemies at you the longer you survived. They weren't the only games of the time to do such things, but they were among the most obvious in trying to take your quarters. Still a lot of fun, however.
Acutally, the speech of the first stage introduction is present even in the arcade original. But it can only heard in the second loop (if you are playing the EU version) or in the endless loops (if you are playing the US version).
Great edition of BotP! LOVED the initial 3 games and still do to this day! I always wished there would be a later port with the arcade's OST, 4-player support and smooth animation frames with the extras from the SNES and Genesis games. But considering what we later got, I guess that literally was asking too much huh? 😅
Hyperstone Heist 's manual run button! As a Raphael player, that it's the VERY reason I prefer it over the others. It may arguably not sound or look as good as the other ports but it plays the best and the fastest.
acoording to Wikipedia, the PS2 is a emulation, but the changes they did is likely due copyright issues. Also they emulated the 4 player version, which require the multitap if you want to play Donatello and Raphael......
Personally I'm only familiar with the Genesis and SNES ports, I haven't played the arcade original or the PS2/Xbox 360 ports of it. I definitely think the layout of the levels was much better in the SNES Turtles in Time than in Hyperstone Heist, where it seems like only half the effort was placed. I'm actually amazed at how close the SNES graphics matched the arcade, unless you look at them side by side the difference isn't that obvious. Unfortunately, the same can't be said of the Genesis, since the sparse color palette once again rears its ugly head. However, if there's one thing I like better about Hyperstone Heist, it's the music. The SNES port sounds more staccato, almost like it can't play as many notes at once, whereas the Genesis port is more faithful to the arcade but with even superior bass. It even has the orchestral hits, something Konami felt was too much for the Genesis port of Sunset Riders to handle. The PS2 port looks poorly optimized, it struggles to run at the arcade's framerate, and seems to have some forced interpolation blur that makes it look kinda dull, and to make it even more dull they added generic-sounding music. The Xbox 360 remake seems alright but it definitely has the look of a budget game, and once again they couldn't be bothered to use the arcade's soundtrack. Overall I'd say the SNES version is the one to get, but they're all a fun time.
I was just thinking about this game a few days ago. By the time Turtles in Time came out in arcades, I had lost interest in the Turtles. That's why I didn't play the game when I saw the cabinet at a movie theater when it was new. I played Sega's Spider-Man instead, as I found Marvel more appealing than TMNT by the end of 1991. I always did like that Sega game, and still do, so I have no regrets. I actually didn't like Turtles in Time arcade at first when I finally did play it. The auto run was initially very annoying. I also found the jump attacks irritating, as there are four different ones as I recall, which I thought was too much. But I did eventually come to like it after getting used to those things. And I prefer the arcade Neon Night Riders stage because it's action packed. The mode 7 on the SNES version is cool, but I don't like having a laid back bonus stage at that point in the game. I think it was a good call to include Hyperstone Heist. While it is a different game, it's clear that it uses SNES Turtles in Time as its starting point. I've extensively compared the arcade, SNES, and MD/Genesis versions, especially for the music. Regarding the music, I vastly prefer the FM sound on the MD, and it's really close in quality to the arcade. I saw that you really prefer the SNES music. Over the years, I've seen that it's a toss up as both versions have their fans. I don't dislike the SNES music, but the abrupt nature of the notes doesn't appeal to me as much. I do agree that the unique elements added to the SNES port more than make up for what is lost. It's funny that I didn't like auto running at first, but switched back to it on the SNES due to finding the double tap not as reliable as in other games. I really like the run button on the MD. It helps add to the faster pace. I've always loved the feel of the game play most in Hyperstone Heist and never really had issues other people had when it came to the stage layouts or length, but those are valid criticisms. A couple of other things worth mentioning. The MD version has more frames of animation in certain spots, but the SNES version counters by having more unique enemies. And some may be surprised, if they're not familiar with the arcade game, that the turtles are not very different, though they have significant differences in the home ports. Anyway, this was an especially fun episode. Thank you.
I grew up playing the Mutant Nightmare and Reshelled versions with my brothers and cousins. I didn't play the Mutant Nightmare version of Turtles of Time that much because my brothers and cousins preferred the main game more (Mutant Nightmare and the other games based on the 2003 Ninja Turtles cartoon are best played with friends instead of playing them alone), but I always listen to that game's version of the Big Apple and Skulls & Crossbones level themes. I also remember downloading the Re-Shelled version when my family bought a PS3. My favorite BGM from Re-Shelled is its replacement for the Neon Night Riders stage theme.
I have played all of these versions(and still own Reshelled) and I would go Turtles in Time SNES=Hyperstone Heist>Arcade Turtles in Time>TMNT3 MN's version of Turtles in Time>Turtles in Time Reshelled.
Believe it or not I actually grew up playing the Genesis port Hyperstone Heist exclusively and didn't get to play the SNES or the original Arcade version of Turtles In Time until years later. I can remember being in the 4th grade and my classmates would rave about how much fun the SNES version was but I didn't own the system at the time. Then one day I was reading either a gaming magazine or X-Men comic book that advertised about Hyperstone Heist so I immediately rented it when I saw it at the rental store over and over again beating it several times. The same thing happened with Sunset Riders lol. I grew up only playing the Genesis version and I didn't even know the game started in the Arcade until one day I saw that it was available in MAME which blew my mind. I'm just glad that Konami at the time showed the Genesis owners like me some love with the ports as well as bringing exclusives like Rocket Knight Adventures and Castlevania: Bloodlines.
Gotta digress. Sunset Riders in Genesis sucks. I used to love it back then but after comparing it on arcades, this is a case I preffer the Snes version over Genesis. All music is there, almost all of the stages are there (i'd say 80%), despite its censoring too, manages to stay arcade-perfect, which i preffer that over whatever they tried to do on Genesis/MD. It is a good game on its own, buy shouldn't have been a Sunset Riders port.
It must be so strange to see an arcade version of a game which you always thought was a console game. That's only happened to me once. I always thought Thunder Force 2 and 3 were Mega Drive exclusives but little did I know both had roots in the Arcade as Thunder Spirits.
@@RetroCore Thunder Force II had it's roots on the Sharp X68000 computer, and unlike the Genesis version, it is a ball bustingly tough game on that PC. I believe Thunder Force AC was a later release than Thunder Force 3 was, and oddly Technosoft included both versions on the Sega Saturn Thunder Force Gold Packs.
@@RetroCore That happened to me back when I was a kid. Since I live in argentina, it was rarely to see legit FamiCom carts and videogame magazines would treat unlicensed games as legit copies. That was the case with Street Fighter 2 by YOKO SOFT in the Nes. When I saw the arcade game, not only I got amazed with the graphics but also I had my ass handed over because I was used to the NES CPU and the 4~5 characters available only... Who the eff was Blanka, Honda, Sagat, Ken, Balrog, Vega, Bison...!? Then my era of Genesis arrived, and... well, here I am. Still looking for an intact copy of After Burner MD. I knew the arcade game, one of my faves when I was a kid and I got uberly excited it was ported to the MD/Genesis. :) Sadly, prices might be a bit too high for my taste...
@@RetroArcadeGuy Retro collecting has gotten a lot more expensive these days. I don't know if it's due to scalpers or what but it's annoying. I want to own a Sega Genesis (or one of those FPGA clones) and maybe another 16-bit console and a CD console but when you look at actually getting the games the price, hardware (to get HD with modern TVs) and maintenance it just goes up and up in cost.
One of Konami's finest works, the SNES version is special for sure, I do enjoy the megadrive game too, really its hard to go wrong with any port, but I guess the SNES just edges out with all the extra's. Yeah still gets played to this day by me too, total classic.
The three originals easily beat the two modern ones everything about those I just deeply dislike. The voices, the music, the sound effects everything just reeks of a cheap product.
I don't dislike the music in the SNES version overall, though there are parts that I'm not too fond of due to instrument choices and such. But I have always preferred the MD/Genesis' FM sound for this, which is really close to the arcade sound(I've compared). I can only speak for myself, but it's the staccato nature of the SNES game's music. It's full of short, disconnected notes that end very abruptly. Hyperstone Heist's music is very smooth by comparison.
ravagingwolverine No need to speak for yourself. I honestly agree. It sounds off after playing the arcade game for so long. Not to mention I think some tracks in the MD port also sound EVEN BETTER than the arcade original, like Sewer Surfin (7:41).
The Super Famicom version was phenomenal considering how early it was released in the consoles life, but I agree, with a bigger cart it could’ve contained all the content from the arcade, side by side, there is lots of content missing. I never liked the Megadrive version, I always felt that the colours were off in that typical Megadrive way. Brilliant game though and can’t wait to pick up the Cowabunga Collection for the Switch. Great channel and videos too :)
Don’t forget the original theme tune was written by Chuck Lorre of The Big Bang Theory fame. He mentions it in his end credits blurbs and how he had the rights to the music paid off in one payment. He’s still not happy about it.
I did not know that, that is amazing. Sucks for Chuck though. I'm pretty sure the whole reason most the music was changed from the Konami version later was rights issues. Japan takes that stuff much more seriously.
It was all over the franchise at that time. Unless it was one of the DVD's, you weren't going to hear that original song. Even in the "Turtles Forever" crossover, they had to use a sound-a-like. Viacom seems to have been able to either get the rights or just have more money to buy the usage rights.
@@mightyfilm I mean they got that SpongeBob money I think they can afford to buy the rights of one song from an old show. It's ironic considering I always thought the early 2000s TMNT version was one of the best (animation wise music not that great). It's hard to believe whoever owned it at the time couldn't get the rights but then again a lot has changed in 20 years. Like I said a lot of things were changed in these games and I'm sure it was because of rights issues. I just think it would have been easier for them to not done this.
Music rights are notoriously idiotic. Getting the rights for a song costs a bloated fortune and that's even if they grant you the rights. There hasn't been an Inspector Gadget cartoon since the original that used the iconic theme. Yet the crap live action movie did because it had Disney money. I even once read about how a collector's Sesame Street DVD set didn't even have THEIR theme song either. As for TMNT, 4Kids was their producer and licensing agent at the time (Mirage still owned all the other rights, and had licensing agents for the original series), so I wouldn't doubt they could throw that much money around for song rights.
@@mightyfilm I think it's less about them not being able to get the rights and more about them not willing to pay the price they were asked to for it. 4kids seems like the kind of jerks that would low-ball something like that in a heartbeat. And they probably just said you know what screw it we'll just do a sound to like we don't need to pay that ridiculous price. I mean from what I've seen with musicians and "the industry" as a whole they are incredibly litigious. They will sue the crap out of people just because they know they can. I wouldn't be surprised if a sound alike didn't sound different enough than the original they would still try to sue. It's pretty gross, as much as I like to respect artists right to their work and be paid what is due to them some of this stuff is just ridiculous.
Hyperstone Heist is an inspired remix of Turtles in Time. I applaud you for including it here. Both the SNES and Genesis versions are perfect games for their respective consoles. 10/10 would play on a Saturday morning while eating cereal or pizza
Hyperstone Heist on Mega Drive is indeed *not* a port of Turtles in Time but rather a mash-up of the first TMNT beat 'em up + Turtles in Time + some exclusive content thrown in. But well, in any cases, for being Konami's first games on a Sega console alongside Sunset Riders, both are solid and underrated. They look pretty good (even though they run in the Mega Drive low resolution mode), their gameplay is tight, the exclusive content give them special value and their soundtrack is lit AF! 🤘 BTW it's funny how back then most people thought the SNES version was "UsiNg ReAL ZoOm!" when tossing baddies on-screen despite it being actually a simple 3 frames pre-rendered affair ^^' This kind of scam would not work anymore nowadays... :)
@@Bloodreign1 it's not the first time that you are seen posting such nonsense and you aren't doing yourself any favor with that mindset of yours sunset riders on mega drive is a genuinely good game either you are willing to acknowledge it or not you can even scream out loud if you want "NOOO SUNSET RIDERS ON GENESIS IS NOT A GOOD GAME!!!", this won't make a difference as I said both sunset riders and TMNT hyperstone heist were konami's first in-house games on a sega console so those were kind of market tests, konami obviously weren't at their full, yet even with a 4 meg cart vs 8 for the SNES version, sunset riders on mega drive is at the very least a good run 'n gun with dope music and while it has many cons, it also has many pros over the SNES version despite the development circumstances and there are a lot of beauty in that
@@RetroCore oh I wasn't implying that you thought that, but it's a common misconception that has been spread since back then, where even some magazines claimed that the SNES version used real scaling during these moments thanx to its mode 7 feature, despite mode 7 not being able to apply to sprites but only to the background plane
Oh yeah ! Although I spent much more time with the first TMNT game I guess this one is a real classic. Once again it seems to be a draw between Nintendo and Sega :P
Somethin' fun about Hyper Stone Heist: You can actually change the colours of the Turtles to resemble either the original Eastman-Laird comics, or have the brighter and more familiar cartoon ones (labeled "anime", even in the Western versions).
I really both like the SNES and Megadrive versions and the SNES version is aaaaaallmooooosssttt the best version. However I just can't accept how easy the home ports are. Max 4 enemies on screen even on hardest, and not being able to play 3 or 4 player coop. Sorry but that alone makes the arcade version hands down the best, despite the Megadrive and SNES having slightly better level design/3D effects and overall feel.
hello this is a again a very nice battle of the ports I'm looking forward watching an incoming battle of the ports dedicated to cyberpunk 2077 and its ports to PS4 and Xbox one
I love the FM soundtrack on the Megadrive version but at the same time hate the boss rush stage on that version (it just drags for too long to me) The PS2 and Gamecube versions seem to run at 30fps (based on all the footage I've seen, haven't played it myself)
The Boss Rush stage is my biggest complaint about the Genesis version, along with the old Baxter Stockman sprite, when by that time, he was a fly. As I said on this video earlier, a Boss Rush is perfect for Gradius, not so great for an action platformer like Hyperstone Heist.
I miss out on purchasing the Xbox 360 version. I remember my uncle from my mom side of the family has the SNES version. I've purchased TMNT: The Cowabunga Collection to play all the emulated games.
Great arcade game and great SNES port! I was blown away the first time I saw The Rat King on SNES! Was intrigued by the Mutant Madness PS2 game solely because of Turtles In Time being unlockable, though I never tried it out, and it seems like I dodged a bullet. Noticed on this video that there's no love for Raph. Is he too cool but crude?
The 360/PS3 one you can attack in 8 directions instead of 2, which really makes it awkward for a while. At least it's 4 player, and I'd use a PS2 to USB adaptor which work on PS3. PC USB joysticks also work. My friends and I would switch between this and Scott Pilgrim 😀. Also the options in the SFC version are awesome, being able to change the pallette to comic mode and switching manual/auto run! Auto run on hard made the Technodrome level hard to beat the white tonfa soldiers, manual made it a breeze.
I own this for SNES and Super Famicom and there are some differences. For one, you get more lives and continues on the SNES version, but the SNES version has more enemies at some points in the game. So it's a bit different. It's one that I play regularly. I love this game. My favorite beat'em up!
The sprites on the Mega Drive version are a lot more detailed than the arcade or the SNES version. No one seems to notice this for some reason. You can make out the definition of their muscles much better and there are more fine details.
The missing screen throw is the most unfortunate thing about the Genesis version for me. It takes out a much needed additional combat element for combat that is a bit shallow to begin with. I don't quite see why the screen throw couldn't be done on the Genesis version to be honest. Surely they could have figured out a way to do it. I mean even on the SFC version it appears to only be using a few frames.
The screen through could have easily have been done since on the SFC it is just animated sprites. They could have done the same thing on the Mega Drive port.
@@RetroCore Yeah I figured that's all it was, not some mode 7 thing or anything like that. Really don't get why it was left out. Such a cool & useful move!
I just known this game by its name but never played it. Many thanks for this one that let me discover a very nice game. What is interesting is to see how Konami considered this game as a simple commercial product. Megadrive and SNES ports seem to have been designed to respect the system constraints and consumer awaits. Need to break all the level design, change musics, modify gameplay? No problem here. PS2 version is just puzzling. Why didn't they choose to directly emulate this game better than converting it quickly for the joke in another game, resulting in a crap and without soul work? we'll probably never know? XBox 360 is a different approach, born in these years when publishers was thinking players wanted old 2D games of their childhood converted using 3D elements to modernize them (maybe expecting they will interest young players). Nevertheless, you made me want to get my hands on this game asap. But if understand well, only arcade emulation will permit me to play it in its original form?
The snes version still remains a super cult game!! The soundtrack was really important.. the ps2 and reshelled version without it do not seem the very same game!! They really outdid themselves at konami on the sound track on this one! The gameplay was similarly to streets of rage 2 jointed with the music.. it was one of the rare cases were the soundtrack was half of the experience!!
Do you think TMNT would have made an appearance on the Saturn and the OG PlayStation via a compilation? I think so. Konami really missed their chance to do so. We’d also have X-Men and the Simpsons there as well.
Played the SFC version but yeah, it felt a little slower. I prefer the Genesis version because it plays a little better and I like the music arrangements. I prefer FM music so yeah.
Back in the day, I bought both Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Battle Nexus and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3: Mutant Nightmare just to play the original arcade version of TMNT and Turtles in Times on my Xbox.
When I was a kid, I think I saw Turtles in time in the Arcade or out in the wild only a couple of times. Not sure if Konami just didn't ship that many out because of the SNES or Arcade operators didn't buy broads because of the SNES game.
You finally did a BOTP episode one of thebgames that you always test for SNES gameplay on your knockoff console videos... I'm still playing the SNES version with my daughter and haven't actually finished it yet haha.. kudos to another grrat video
Nice catch on the details of the MD version. At the time I thought it was just a generic, harshly put together game from Konami to say they had a MD TMNT game. But looking at the video now, it make sense speculating it is indeed a port of Turtles in Time, with enough content changed to fool Nintendo lawyers on the exclusivity clauses they had with Konami at the time.
It's literally a mishmash of the two arcade games, with one of the levels heavily reminding me of the NES port of the first arcade game (the one inside what could be a Japanese castle, taken from the NES version and enhanced).
I actually played the arcade game a lot and I tried the SNES version everyone was saying was better than the arcade a little while after, but I couldn't see why it was considered better than the arcade. Now I see and feel safe to say this from this video: The SNES port does feel a little sluggish imo, but it's still very good. With you saying good things about the MD version, I feel obligated to try and play it! Also, WOW that PS2 port is pathetic. At least the Xbox 360 port had some effort to play somewhat close to the arcade in 3D.
@Benjamin Owuye Jagun Imagine if Konami had ported the game to the Sharp X68000, it would've truly been a thing of beauty with that great FM Synthesis that the X68K put out.
Idk the Arcade version feels terrible to me, you feel you are hitting the air half of the time and it throws way too many enemies at you too, both SNES TMNT and HSS feel a million times better to play to me.
*I LOVE THIS GAME!* Me and my brothers put tokens in the arcade version like nobody's business. Of course, the SN/SFC version is where it's at. Though the X360 remake has been looked down upon greatly, I'm surprised you wasn't critical of that version outside the music.
I mean it was delisted so you can't even get the thing anymore so that does take a bit of the sting out of it. Still the two modern versions really suck. They're not unplayable or anything they just aren't what people want.
I guess I have fond memories of playing the 360 version with my son when he was younger. But yeah, the modern remake is too dark, lacks the appeal of the cartoon graphics, has crappy music (better than the PS2 mind you) and doesn't play the same.
@@RetroCore I remember the hate and backlash when that game came out was immense. Nobody liked it because it compared so poorly to the original. On It's own it was okay at best but if you compare it to the original there's just no comparison. All three originals are just vastly superior.
The PS2 "port" is also present in the other ports of Mutant Nightmare for GC and XBOX. It seems it ran on an old MAME build which had problems with raster effects (which explains why the intro is skipped). Having waited a few months, they would have had the build that finally fixed the problem.
Someone actually did a half assed hacked version of Turtles in Time for Mega drive/Genesis, they replaced the title screen and 1st stage in Hyperstone w/ the Big apple 3 am and you fight pre fly Baxter Stockman in his hover vehicle, and then it continues like the regular game would.
The amiga version was best!! ;-P Followed by the spectrum version. best control scheme ever on one button!! :D lol. Great vid, never actually played this one, more familiar with the original one. (and the NES one (and yes, the spectrum) which yeah, aren't anything to do with this one, but still great)
Another great vid thanks Mark 👍 I really like the Megadrive version of this as it's got great control and I appreciated the effort that went into the great music. I just don't like that Xbox version with it's screen tear and souless artwork. My kids regularly play the SNES game on the SNES mini.
Good to see Hyperstone/Return getting in on the comparison. I did suggest it a few years back but you said it was too different! 😉 Overall I like the SNES version best, it improves on the arcade game with the extra level, new bosses and the Mode 7 bonus stage. Plus Super Shredder is a cooler final boss than regular Shredder and overall the game is less of a cheap coin muncher. Next best is probably the Return of the Shredder. While it’s not as pretty as the SNES version the controls are good and it’s not as cheap as the arcade game. I do find it a bit repetitive though with the game often sending the same wave of enemies at you again right after beating the last lot. Megadrive owners really did get the shitty end of the stick when it came to bosses though, instead of Tokka and Rahzar we got Master Tatsu and later in the game we just got lazy palette swaps of earlier bosses. 😡 I honestly wouldn’t want to touch the 360 game with a barge pole. I tried the demo back in the day and all the colourful graphics of the original were gone and the gameplay was compromised by making it “3D” so suddenly you had to be right in front of an enemy to hit them. Classic 2D belt fighters always gave you a bit of leeway on the y-axis making them much more fun and much less tedious.
After playing the Mega Drive game again I realised its basically Turtles in Time. Its like an official hack 😁. Everything is the same with a few extras added in.
@@RetroCore Yeah I’m guessing Konami filed the serial numbers off so they could get around the exclusivity they had with Nintendo for Turtles in Time. Much like SFII Special Championship Edition. 😂
@@-TriP- that's the beautiful thing about this generation of consoles. It all depends on which console you grew up with. I think games on the SNES sound like s*** but that's only because I grew up with the Genesis. it doesn't necessarily mean they sound bad. It's true that the SNES has a better sound chip but the Genesis can make an awesome soundtrack to it's versions of games too
Not really, it took very talented developers to make the MD soundchip sing, mind you in Japan there were guys like Yuzo Koshiro and Hitoshi Sakimoto that could make you sit there and actually enjoy the music of a Genesis game. But the SFC was untouchable in the right hands, listen to Tim Follins work on Plok for SNES, that games opening piece is absolutely amazing sounding, the Genesis could get nothing even close to that. But in the end, it all comes down to what you grew up with, those who grew up on Genesis tend to favor the Genesis, those who grew up on SNES take the side of the SNES. Myself I own both consoles, but owned an SNES first (my first Genesis was purchased 7 years after, I wanted the chance to play more games I couldn't play on my SNES, I have since grown both collections totaling between them 368 games, 188 SNES/SFC, 180 Gen/MD), but had friends who owned Genesis consoles for a short time before almost all of them traded the thing in and got an SNES.
And Hyperstone Heist is one of the few games that isn't compatible with the Genesis Mini. :( I gotta say, the Xbox 360 version has a repellent plasticine look that turns me off, but the voice samples are way better than the other games. It's clear they used actors from the 2002 cartoon, and they perform the lines more convincingly.
Man so many great memories with the Snes version of the game. I played it allot in my youth and it´s one of my top 10 snes games of all time. Shame the music on re-shielded other than that it´s not that horrible remake I just wonder why they removed it from the ps3 PSN store at least here in Sweden.
Oh it got completely delisted. It joined the ranks of Scott Pilgrim, X-Men arcade, Simpsons arcade, TMNT arcade and a number of other good games by being completely removed from both XBL and PSN. All of them due to licensing issues.
And do you k ow what really sucks about this, even though I bought the full versions of Turtles and simpsons on the 360, I can't play the full games on my 360 slim because I can't even dowoad the games anymore. Basically, my games have been stollen. I had to dig out my original elite 360 with its super loud fan to record the footage for this show. Once that dies, my games are gone. Man, I truly hate digital only media.
@@RetroCore yeah I fully agree with you digital media is bullshit. Im glad I can still download my psp games via my PS3 but when they close the ps3 store down then im F-ed and the worst part the YS 1-2 chronicles and ys 7 on psp was only released digtaily. So im glad we got them on steam at least but still.
I have both the SNES and the Genesis games, and while the SNES has more content, I find the Genesis version to be more enjoyable thanks to the faster gameplay. And while I might be in the minority here, I also find the music on the Genesis version to be better. Sure, the samples in the SNES game are OK, but the slight delay/fade-in at the start of those samples always bugged me. The Genesis tunes don't suffer from that, and the synths used for Hyperstone Heist's music fit really well (I like the grittier feel to them). The music also sounds richer on the Genesis (like more instruments/channels are playing in some of the songs).
The Mega Drive version's music has 10 simutanious channels playing at once (5 FM channels, 3 PSG channels, and 2 PCM channels) compared to the SNES's 8. So you'd be right in saying it uses more channels
After seeing this video, wanted to compare each games' speed from one to another, and no, the snes version isn't slower than the megadrive one, in fact, the megadrive one feels a little bit more "heavy", and just by having a couple of stages that resemblances the arcade, that doesn't make it a port, more like an unnoficial hack.The ship level on the megadrive (and others), look almost like an 8bit game, far from the arcade or the snes. The arcade one is more fluent (obviously) and that's why it feels a little bit faster, and the foot soldiers sometimes run, taking that away, the speed is practically the same. See ya.
Hey! One of my favorite games from the 90's!!! And the arcade and SNES versions are an excellent sight, plus they've got unique assets and stage layouts for each. The Genesis version is aight middle ground between the 1st game and Turtles in Time. Quite a snappy feelin' game, too Just why the fuck do the PS2 and Re-Shelled versions exist? They lost what made the original great
Both reshelled and the one included with mutant nightmare on PS2 were clearly already about exploiting nostalgia. The problem was there was issues apparently with various things with Konami so I guess they couldn't use all the music and stuff (which if you know anything about copyright law and Japan and music rights stuff it's pretty scary stuff) anyway they decided they would basically do "a version" of these classic well-loved games. The changed arcade game was bad enough but apparently the cartoon at the time (which I'm pretty sure was either over or close to it) had enough going for it that they thought they could squeeze/fart out one more game. Reshelled was basically the game everybody remembered but done in 3D and with everything that people loved about it removed.
Have you seen dozens if not hundreds of other soulless garbage remakes out there? Some even gathered millions on Kickstarter. Just trying to get some $ from nostalgia. They are even remaking shit games because somebody may still consider them “cult classics”
You can't tell me they couldn't have made the into the screen throw work on the Megadrive version... I mean the SFC version only uses a few simple frames for the screen throw animation instead of real scaling, and I see no reason whatsoever that it couldn't have been done in the Megadrive port, which makes it's omission quite odd indeed, and quite disappointing too as it's one of the coolest and most fun moves to use in the game.
@@cristianmastrocicco4552 Konami went where the money was, early on it was Nintendo consoles, with some dabbling in the MSX, Sharp X68K, and PC Engine markets, with a nice little batch of Genesis/MD releases. Later on Konami went with the PS1 and Sega Saturn, because to them, that's where the money was, the N64 really didn't see nearly as many Konami games as the NES, GB, and SNES got.
@@Bloodreign1 Konami released 4 or 5 games on Nintendo 64, mostly Goemon. But still, I wish they gave some more love to Sega Genesis/Saturn. Even the standout title, TMNT Hyperstone Heist, was made recycling elements from Turtles In Time and the first arcade game
My copy of SFC port come a few day ago :D I buy japanese version because is much more cheaper than PAL vrsion and this game is perfectly playlable wihnout knowlege of japanese language :)
Excellent video,as always, Mark. Turtles in Time is one of those games that really pulled everyone in to see and play it thanks to the amazing (and extra loud) attract modes just like Mortal Kombat and Mortal Kombat II as well as Konami's other licensed beat-em-ups like The Simpsons, X-Men, and, of course, the original TMNT arcade game. A new mall had went up (semi-) locally the year before with a large, upstairs open-floor arcade, and they put in a couple of Turtles in Time machines as soon as they were available. You just had to play it the first time you heard that version of "Pizza Power" blasting. A couple of friends and two of my cousins and I were all enamored with TMNT, from the comics to the cartoon to the games, so of course we played this new cabinet anytime we had a chance. One friend got the SNES Turtles in Time port right around when it came out, which we had a lot of fun with it. I got Hyperstone Heist later on, and we had tons of fun with it as well. Neither game is as good as the arcade, but both are great fun, especially with a friend. And, of course, I bought Turtles in Time on SNES (as well as Tournament Fighters) a couple of years later when I finally picked up the system. I can't really choose my favorite between SNES Turtles in Time or Genesis Hyperstone Heist because I love them both, though I probably ultimately played the Genesis game more just because I had it earlier. Also, I agree that it'd be nice to have had a larger cart space for more of the samples, but I'd have really loved to have had a later re-release on a large 32 or 48 Megabit cart just to include "Pizza Power", even if it meant a high price, since it's such an iconic part of the arcade game. Anyway, if you throw the arcade games into the mix, I'll choose the arcade versions TMNT or TMNT: Tutles in Time any time. They were just amazing for their time, and it's a real shame that the original arcade game didn't get a Genesis port. I love the NES port (let's not even talk about the home computer versions of that game), but it really needed more powerful hardware and 15/16-color tiles to do it justice. And, it's a crying shame that The Simpsons and X-Men never got 16-bit console ports either. On Tutles in Time Re-shelled on the 360/PS3: it's not amazing, but that didn't stop me and some friends from having fun with it. I wish the game was backwards compatible with the XBox One (and Series consoles), but gamers always get screwed in the long run with licensing issues... So, Turtles in Time (and the original TMNT arcade beat-em-up) is one of my favorite belt-scrollers of all time, though I have to admit that TMNT III: The Manhattan Project on NES is actually my favorite of the Konami TMNT beat-em-up series: I love toss move, it looks great for the NES, and it has one of my favorite soundtracks from Konami. Still, Turtles in Time is a pretty close second. It's just too bad we couldn't get a home port back in the day with 4-player multitap support, though I'm pretty sure that would be asking too much out of the 16-bit systems. Also, I don't see why they couldn't have included the "at screen toss" in Hyperstone Heist...it's' not using mode 7 or anything on the SNES, just a two-frame animation in one of the background layers...they could have overwritten tiles in plane A on the Genesis or used sprites (maybe at the cost of flickering when the animation occurred if using sprites)...it's too bad the Genesis didn't have the sprite zoom function of the Master System and Game Gear's VDP, since that would have been perfect for the screen-toss...
Interesting, I'd never played the PS2 version or 3D remake, if I had known they changed the music I'd forgotten about it. Sounds like it was all pretty much worse than the original. Oh well. I'm also definitely in the camp that says the home versions (SNES and Genesis) play better than the arcade version in this case.
OMG! What did Ubisoft do to the X360 port? It's horrible! Even the PS2 port (which is already bad enough) is still more faithful to the original arcade. The SNES and the Genesis ports are the clear winners here. No matter which of these later two you had or still have, just keep playing them and be a happy gamer.
I never understood why Krang/Shredder would want the Statue of Liberty. I managed to scratch this and The Simpsons arcade off the bucket list at PAX a few years ago
I'm going to have to say the SNES/ Famicom version is the best one overall even superior to the arcade. It's the sound , hitting bosses in the SNES version is so much more satisfying.
I didn't know about the genesis version until i started messing with emulators around 2005 and was really impressed. Using the comic book art style was a great choice considering the genesis' limited color. I think number of colors is a lot less important than people make it out to be and clever artists and do a lot with these limitation; when I never thought sonic 2 was less colorful than Super Mario World.
Yeah, and the Turtles games don't really benefit from tons of colors because there's a lot of solid colored areas. I don't think Turtles in Time on SNES has many more colors on screen than HH. Though they could use colors the MD/Genesis did not have at all. The color advantage was more obvious with digitized sprites.
No it definitely is important, even here it's noticeable as the Genesis version looks much darker in comparison. This was often the case with arcade ports, the SNES looked better on account of having more colors as well as being able to do transparencies, whereas the Genesis had to use dithering instead. It's less noticeable in the case of Sonic 2 because that was made with the Genesis color palette in mind, but in any games that are on both systems the difference becomes pretty obvious.
@@zanegandini5350 SNES uses dithering for transparencies all the time because it's hardware transparencies take up too many resources for it's slow cpu. But arcade ports are terrible examples because they're usually developed by different parties for each system and are often low effort cash ins. TMNT is one of the few examples where the original developer handled the ports on both systems and the result is they're very close but also different in appreciable ways (unlike today's consoles which are virtually identical to each other and a PC). That the genesis version is darker is EXACTLY what I mean about clever artists rendering the difference a lot less important; some people like the darker art style and it certainly doesn't hurt the game.
@@SchutzBoysband Konami actually had a tendency of making arcade ports very diferent on different home consoles, mostly on the 8 and 16 bits systems, and I am not talking about "Cutting down" the games to fit on the inferior consoles, but actually changing the game A LOT. Just look what they did with Yie-ar Kung-Fu on NES and MSX, Salamander on MSX, Sunset Riders on Mega-Drive, Gradius on the MSX again (Even having a sequel exclusively to the MSX while there's also a Gradius 2 on arcade, making a huge mess of the series continuity :D), Even Twinbee on NES for example, which was very close to the arcade version as it could be, they changed the score system which IMO made the NES version a huge bitch to play for score.
@@rafaellima83 In the case of Sunset Riders, it wasn't so much changing things as it was Konami being cheapasses and going with a 4MB cart size,when an 8 MB cart size would've been a far better option. The SNES one was 8 MB, and it showed with a lot of stuff from the arcade version retained.
I ordered some Chinese take-out to see this TMNT upload Mark. Some Chicken Chow-Mein, Chicken Fried Rice, Wonton Soup, and a cold Pepsi to view this one from you bro. 8^) Anthony..
It's funny too because the game actually started existence before the show even became official. There's a bunch of crazy stuff in the game that makes no sense because things weren't finalized yet.
@Benjamin Owuye Jagun Mobile gaming making more money, pachinko/pachi-slot being very profitable, and management being management from what I've read. It's a damn shame to see what's happened to Konami. The worst part is they absorbed Hudson Soft so they could hoard their IP and do virtually nothing with it.
As per my previous comments... the crux of the battle for me is in the gameplay itself and, having gone back and forth between them, many many times, I know Hyperstone Heist PLAYS better than Turtles in Time. The combat is just a bit more refined and has been attuned accordingly. It feels better "fighting" in HH, even if (err) TIT has more glam and unnecessary Mode 7 glitz. Like I say, most will lean with TIT but those with objectivity about the games, leaving their fan boy bias at the door (and I mean BOTH Ninty + Sega btw) will likely feel HH plays better on the whole 👌
Never a Turtles fan, watched a few of the cartoons and it just seemed too... American for my palette at the time. Was quite content with likes of Final Fight CD and SOR II on the MD, countless others in the Arcades, so never paid this any attention on the MD. Did pick it up on the SNES many years later, mode 7 stuff was nice enough, but still couldn't see what all the fuss was about with the game itself. Loved the MD coverage as get to see what I passed over, might have to try this on emulation. 🤔
Too American for me at the time as well. No disrespect for American cartoons, but in Italy people my age grew up watching anime during the 80s (eventho we certainly never called them like that) and American cartoons were mostly seens as filler content. We were used to more mature and complicated story lines. As a matter of fact, here they tried to market the Turtles emphasizing the Ninja aspect, with a custom opening song filled with Oriental sounds and a montage showing Splinter in his human form in the Dojo as much as they could. They basically almost tried to trick us like we were going to watch a Japanese production.
@@ravagingwolverine Well, there was always a lot of drama with censorship and controversies about violence and sex and eventually the stream of Japanese imports dried up in the mid 2000s. Nowadays Italian pop culture is perfectly aligned with the USA/UK. I grew up with Hokuto no Ken and people ten years younger than me grew up with Sponge Bob. Oh well.
