@@eldarhighelfhealermiriella7653 well in the boshin, the shogun loyalists believe they were fighting for the Emperor and his interests. So seeing the Emperor's banner being carried by the Satcho alliances, means you're fighting against the Emperor, making the shogun loyalists traitors. The Emperor plays a huge role in Japanese Culture.
@@Romellenios_Lanz_Daemos yeah as the person that considered as god, rebeling against god isn't a good thing lol But I read somewhere that in real life, when the banner arrive in the battlefield no one actually recognize what banner is it so they had to send an envoy to the enemy just for explaining the banner mean
More organized. The troops of the shogunate had way more modern troops and ships. At the same time as the battle of Toba-Fushimi, the Battle of Awa took place. It was the first modern sea battle of Japan and a victory for the shogunate. The shogun loyalists from the Nagaoka Domain were the first to have gatling guns in Japan and the Aizu and Shonin tried to arm their troops with german weapons. The thing was, the shogunate failed in organising their troops in a good manner. 60% of their modern weapons were stored and not handed out to their troops. Their regiments were not uniformly armed. Men with pikes or bows stood next to men with french minie guns. And while the bow would have been a very good weapon during that war, a few bows among a gunners and lots of pikemen are no match against good organized line infantry. The archers alone in a big unit would be dangerous. But among the gunners they disrupt the entire order. About pikemen in modern gun warfare is not much to be said. It's stupid. Than there were the massive errors of the command chain and the communication of the shogunate army. And last but not least, clans like Tsu and Yodo changed sides during the battle out of fear that the satchodo could storm Yodo Castle after defeating Aizu and Kuwana at Fushimi.
True, not only that, they feared that if they're against the emperor, it will be considered as an act of treason. But now in this battle, the Shogunate became the enemy of the state & traitors to the new modernised imperial government. They paid the price.
@@btd6enthusiast106 Mori is an old name. 2 centuries later they became the Choshu Domain after the Battle of Sekigahara. The Tokugawa Shogunate relocated the clan to the Nagato province near Aki (Mori ancestral home) its at the edge of the Honshu island. The Choshu were descendants of the Mori Clan & while the Satsuman Domain were descendants of Shimazu Clan. These 2 domains on the other is not about the restoration of the Imperial government but revenge as well for their humiliation in the past. So taste of their own humiliation to the Shogunate.
The battle at Toba-Fushimi was not big one, but, it's political meaning was most critical one at the Meiji restoration revolution. The flag of Nishiki (Emperor's flag) was suddenly stood at the insurgent troop side.
Understandable, Why should Emperor stand by loser's side and become another loser? After all he is not losers' dad and even the emperor is replaceable if is not wise enough.
WithAStick AngryWhiteMan no. As soon as they flew the emperors banner, the shogunate forces knew that they would lose, as firing or attacking those holding the banner were deemed a traitor to the emperor. So without it, the Imperial forces would’ve lost
@@lobakputih202 as far as I know the shogun didn't hate the emperor, he even believe that he was fighting for the emperor interest until this battle happening
The curse of Hideyoshi... The rebels were of the Mori and Shimazu clan that vowed vengeance for hundreds of years for their lord Hideyoshi against the Tokugawa clan.
True, its both political & vengence from the western clans against their oldest enemies (Tokugawa Shogunate). That which they have been felt humiliated & betrayed since the Battle of Sekigahara. After 250 years later, the western clan got their revenge & they gave the Shogunate the taste of their own humiliation.
yeah, its believed that almost western clan that sided with mitsunari in sekigahara born such anger and grudge through generations, if you notice more.... tosa domain (chosokabe clan), chosu domain (mori clan) and satsuma domain (shimazu clan) played crucial position in boshin war to overthrow the tokugawa shogunate... first one to move was tosa and chosu, then satsuma joined... notice more that these three clans also sided with ishida mitsunari in sekigahara, and sided with toyotomi hideyori in siege of osaka (chosokabe clan only)...
@@kaisermuto i read somewhere every senior retainer in chosu domain will ask their daimyo if it's time to overthrow the shogunate, but their daimyo will say "no they're still strong". So chosu domain still seek revenge to shogunate after sekigahara until boshin war
@@fzie8634 Eventually, allied Choshu and Satsuma stopped to attack Edo(Tokyo)city. Because Yoshinobu Tokugawa surrendered already. General commander of allied power, Saigo,Takamori negotiated with Katsu Kaishu who is general commander of Tokugawa navy. Both men were acquaintance each. In meiji restortion human relations were so complicated and wide. Even a enemy, there may exist his friend or chiledhood friend. 17 years after, general Saigo made an armed uprising in Kyushu against new government. At last Saigo suicided for responsibility. At the time new government force consisted with manyTokugawa's samurai too. This situation might could not be comprehend by foreigner. Katsu,Kaishu became a bureau crat of new government.
The march at 3:00 is widely known as 戊辰行進曲(ぼしんこうしんきょく Boshin-koshin kyoku, "Boshin-march") today. Yet, the exact name of the song was not recorded like many other Western-style Japanese marches at the era. These songs were basically improvisational and spread thru oral instruction.
Weapons during the boshin war were highly technological that it ended so quickly thanks to advance industrialization. It is probably a great example of modernizing the country. However, cultural practices and customs still remains by adopting from the previous indoctrination and ethical standards.
The emperor's banner, no clan no lord can be against the emblem in Japan. The government which got emperor, it is authorized recognized government officially.
Take that tokugawa! that's fit for your betrayal against toyotomi and their audacity to found their own shogunate... The grudge of Ishida Mitsunari and Otani Yoshitsugu in sekigahara also had been released.
How excited and happy the soldiers of New Government feeled, how mess, sad and shocked the soldiers of Old Shogunate feeled, when the Emperor's flags appeared.
It's samurai bs, especially for gameplay purposes. In real life, you don't fight massed spear formations with mere swords, EVER, and if you were to charge an entrenched position, you may as well do it with spears.
Shogunate Charge at 0:46, While the Imperialist Charge at 2:14 with the Shogunate Charge at 2:18 in the Battle of Toba-Fushimi and that reminds that Game is Total War: Shogun 2 Expansion The Fall of The Samurai. Damn that gonna be Great Warfare.
Was searching for Toba Fushimi Shogun 2 Fall of the Samurai Walkthrough might as well watch this :) Didnt see The Aizu Clan get involved in this in the game
Most shogunate vassal troops used Gewehr smoothbore guns which were inferior guns to the Minie rifle. Orders were placed for 40,000 state-of-the-art French Chassepot rifles in 1867 but only a fraction reached Edo by the end of the year, one month before the battle. It is most likely that the Imperial forces had better equipment.
@@0MVR_0 Where did you get the idea that the Dreyse Needle gun is inferior to Minié rifles? Minié rifles might have been accurate and all but they were still muzzle-loaders that look at least 20 seconds to reload, at best. The Dreyse was a breech-loader that would could fire much faster In fact Prussia beat Austria in 1866 by using the Dreyses against Austria's minié-style rifles, there's a reason why France switched to the Chassepot soon after.
@@asuka7309 Japan just before the Meiji was different to Europe during the same era. Quantity of presented ammunition to the enemy is of much lesser significance than the rate of spent munition with effect. This is particularly pronunced on a battlefield where skirmish capability was usually indecisive. Most of the battles ended due to the Shogunate forces routing rather than taking sustained sustained combat loses of which many would be at hand-to-hand.
@@0MVR_0 your arguement still doesn't make any sense because the battles of the boshin war weren't fought in a style or at a range where the minie's accuracy would make a difference for the regular soldier. Just look at the battle of Toba fushima as an example. At Toba the shogunate forces had their headquarters set up in a shrine not even 500 meters from the bridge that the Imperial satsuma forces had fortified, the actual battlefield is little more than a small park today, the entire battle took place well within the accurate firing range of the needle gun. The same goes for fushima, where they just had to shoot across a river. This is not the kind of warfare the minie was developed or advantageous for, there's a reason why the imperialst also switched to breech loaders later in the war
I believe they were using a combination of outdated french breech loaders and muzzle loading rifles hence why the imperialist were out gunning them for they were using modernized prussian bolt loaders giving them higher accuracy, range,as well as a staggering higher rate of fire
@@michaelwilliams7292 That's completely wrong. Chosu and Satsuma (imperialist) forces were all armed with muzzle-loading minié-type rifles, Satsuma domain also still had traditional elements mixed into their forces (both melee as well as the outdated tanegashima matchlocks). Later in the war they also got their hands on the snider enfield but those weren't universally used by everyone. They never used any German rifles in large numbers. The Tokugawa shogun started the war with both breech-loaders (dreyse needle gun and chassepot) and muzzle-loaders (like the 1853 Enfield) as well as some traditional equipment. His vassals used much more traditional equipment but some (like the Aizu) also had well-trained modern units.
