Agreed, he even mentions that even though the RPG explosion and resulting destruction is unrealistic, he acknowledges that it is good for game design and balance.
@@Shane-eg5kqyou mean putting all the weight of the gun into the slide rails and swinging it up and down? That could easily damage some older or more fragile firearms. ‘Damage’ could be as little as a slight deformation in a single part.
@@judgemental9253 If you think inertia racking is bad for a pump You've clearly never racked a pump. Do you think you gently rack the pump? If that's going to damage it, what's going to happen when you fire it? Lmao.
God bless Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history
Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history, is a cool dude.
Man, I love Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons thoughout history, he looks like such a cool dude
I'd love to have a job like the one Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history has. Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history sure is a cool dude
If I ever end up in the UK, I'll be sure to visit Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history.
@@BluE68_ I've been to the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history a number of times and I can say it is great although sadly I've never seen Jonathan Ferguson, the keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history . You should really go to the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK which houses a collection of thousands of iconic weapons throughout history.
It still naturally takes a decent amount of time, but the low poly style vastly reduces the whole process time, along with the lack of texture detail this simplifies it further.
What's great about this is not only are the developers are excited to see Johnathan critic and applaud their game, but also to give them advice on what to change to be like the real life counterpart
The surprisingly detailed critic does show he acknowledges the devs do care a lot to get things right. These videos with both Jonathan and Matt Easton both have them usually skimping over telling the whole information to save on time, until they see something they really like going on and go full tilt with the critique.
@@mio2540The devs usually aren't the greedy ones. Unfortunately nowadays in triple A development devs have very little to no control on how their game will be monitized.
Bro I remember how wild june 24th was, so much shit was going on for them it was amazing. The guns might even become better too, because a guntuber (garand thumb I think) asked if one of the devs wanted to fly over to the US to shoot some real guns and record audio They deserve all the success, such a good fucking game
I just wish battlefield would start dropping bangers again. BF1 was incredible, then BFV and 2042 just killed the entire series in 2 releases. BF1 is still crazy cinematic though
@@inutero3516 bf1 is a terrible pvp experience, but otherwise it's a masterpiece bfv pvp is very fun. if it wasn't riddled with cheaters, it's a blast. love me ww2 era firearms
I hope this dev is feeling on top of the world as they deserve all the praise they've received. It's rare to see this genre get a breakout indie game when it's normally dominated by triple A studios releasing the same game for their yearly revenue bump.
ironically it's exactly because triple A dev with a deep pocket publisher that pushes out yearly product that exhausted their own market and the consumers people wanted something fresh, something fun to play, maybe an hour or two a day not sitting at the menu waiting for a 20+ GB update so that the graphics may look a tiny bit more realistic meanwhile the game itself is a sweat fest and microtransactions
You may have already seen it, but gamespot did release a video something like what you are talking about where the devs of Hunt: the showdown, watched the review of their game, changed some things, like a reload animation to how jonathan described, and even commented themselves on what weapons they would like him to take a look at in future parts of the game.
I'm a long time follower of Jonathan Ferguson from the Royal Armouries, an amateur firearms enthusiast, somebody who has had the privilege to vist the Pattern Room at the Armouries and somebody who also owns Battlebit Remastered - All the priase Jonathan heaps on the weapons in this game are much deserved. Get the game, have a blast.
how does one get to see the pattern room? i know Ian from forgotten weapons got to see it because of his important work, how do you get that chance as a regular person?
They should come across the pond and enjoy them here in America you can shoot any fully auto rifle here with the right licensed guys present. Hell I’m trying to get my class 3 license so I can own fully automatic rifles.
Amazing to see how impressed Jonathan was with this game. And even better to see the Devs taking on board his feedback and making changes, just like what the Hunt Showdown guys have been doing. And if this means a buff to the AK74 then I am a happy chappy
Even though BattleBit really isn't the sort of game I'm usually into, I have to say it's always so wholesome to watch developers reacting to their work getting the recognition it deserves. That little cheer you did when Jonathan praised the case ejections just made my day.
Regarding Kriss Vector, the gun does have a recoil of course, what the mechanism is designed to reduce is muzzle climb. But it doesnt turn the gun into laser beam, just makes the muzzle being shaked around in multiple directions rather than up. You will still lose some ability to keep the gun on target just like you would with other 9mm SMGs with such an extreme rate of fire, it just doesnt come from vertical muzzle climb.
Johnathan would not be surprised that your Vector has recoil as he already pointed it out in other games as something that's wrong but probably needed for the sake of balance. This guy is great not only because of his knowledge but also awareness of the gaming development rules and also the "cool factor"
You saying you’ll go back and watch it again and take notes! It just shows a willingness to improve and learn. And I think with a game like with, as Jonathan calls it, low-polly-graphics I feel like it’s probably easier to go in and make changes to models or animations compared so some hyper-realistic games. Really hope they do a follow up in a while to cover some more of your weapons, and perhaps revisit some changes, who knows
I can confirm about AK recoil. The recoil shown is about correct for an AK-47, but the 74 fires the 5.45x39mm...which is far lighter. (more like the NATO 5.56x45mm.)
You know you made it when Johnathan Ferguson, The Keeper of Firearms and Artillery in the Royals Armories Museum in the UK, makes a video about your in game weapon models and giving out Ws after Ws.
Jonathan is the guy you want giving you feedback on your guns. He gives constructive criticism and clearly understands why certain choices were made. Also a great compliment and he says it if he has to nitpick then the gun is really well modeled.
I've seen a few people review Vector and several of them said that there IS recoil, its just distributed in a weird way that made the gun less comfortable to use for them lmao
The fact that your character doesn’t forcefully slaps the charging handle from the MP5 also bugged me a bit 😅 I hope it gets a animation rework so he actually slaps that filthy charging handle 😜 But it’s amazing that you guys actually acknowledge his feedback and i hope a second reaction releases.
I was a range safety officer for a bit, and I got to shoot all the full-autos (FA) a bit. In my experience: shooting the HK MP5 and the Kriss Vector one after the other, the difference in recoil was mind blowing, and not in the way you might first think. The MP5 was so pleasant to shoot, easy as hell to hold on target during full auto fire. The Vector's recoil, in both .45 ACP and 9mm, was DEVASTATING. At least I couldn't handle it. Couple more brief addendums, I shot a 9mm G18 at FA WITH an attached stock; incredible muzzle rise, not a fan. FA M4A1 with red dot, FUN, of course, not effective, however. And lastly, my favorite gun I've had the pleasure of firing FA, an M1928 Thompson in .45 ACP. Most controllable recoil I've experienced in a full auto. I could control that recoil while standing unsupported with little effort. Last fact and I'm done. The reason the Tommy Gun is so recoilless is in part because it is so damn heavy. Heavier than an M1 Garand, in fact, which fires a full power rifle cartridge.
@@Syddy_ the vector is a huge meme, there's a reason practically no agencies, departments or militaries bought it and it had nothing to do with cost. the recoil system just isn't very good. a predictable straight push back into the shoulder actually works way better. ask anyone who has actually shot one in full auto or watch any of the videos talking about how much it sucks. really effective marketing team though, the average pleb is fully convinced they're magical laser beam smg's.
MY ONLY gripe with the review is that he didnt go through the different attachments!! and all the bells and whistles for each gun. battlebits really is impressive. BEST 15 IVE EVER SPENT.
This was great. I love Jonathan Ferguson, someone who plays games and understands the tradeoffs as well as being a gun expert working in a firearms museum. Seeing the dev himself have all his hard work and dedication appreciated was a real feel good moment. Plus you could see from the feedback and suggestions he genuinely cares about making the game accurate despite the incredibly basic graphics. Of all the games to lead the Battlefield/CoD war I never thought it would be one looking barely better than Minecraft. But given the genuine passion I'm seeing from this dev I can really see why it's got things so right.
the kriss vector can be balanced while being realistic. it doesnt have muzzle climb but it does have a lot of vibration when you fire. the barrel sort of rises a very little bit up then swings over to the right (if you are right handed, left else i would reckon?) and then pops down. its like a small 270 degree action on the barrel. you definitely feel recoil when you fire, it just does not climb much. however if you go full auto with it you do get a lot of vibration and the rounds basically disperse in a 270 degree pattern ignoring the diagonally down left. its easier to manage than most other pdw's but it surely isnt 100% effective as some people would like to believe. i dont think anyone outside kriss who fired that gun irl would claim its recoilless.
it's just a marketing technique to sell an overly engineered designed but, do you realize how wide of an angle 270 degrees is? How much of a rotation 270 degrees is?
I would love to see them added! Naturally they should be true to life and as such should be objectively worse than most of the modern guns. But yeah seeing them added would be super cool!
@@Schimml0rd First I would like to premise this with the fact that I am not an expert on firearms, history, or war. That being said I am going to pull heavily from online sources that know more than I do. From everything I've read modern firearms are generally superior in ammo capacity, ergonomics, sights, and materials. "However, that superiority in terms of rate of fire and hitting the target in real terms may be an inch or two per 100 yards." - Some cool gun guy on Quora So to answer your question I think a modern bolt action is only minorly superior to the previous generations of weapons you mentioned. That is, if we are specifically talking about bolt action weapons.
@@Schimml0rd less options for customization, weight, ergonomics, quality of the parts which impacts accuracy, capacity, calibers that might not be as optimal for the job as more modern ones (for example the amount of recoil compared to the effective range etc), it all adds up.
So glad all your hard work is paying off, and verbally taking on the great constructive criticisms, this game is amazing and I'm glad it's getting the recognition it deserves
this guys read a comment on twitter saying if you dont like battlefield why dont you go and do it yourself and took it way too seriously thank you guys your game is amazing certified fine ill do it myself moment
These devs are way too humble. Like you made a game that's better than the last 5 Battlefield games as 3 guys and you're not even stopping. Most deserving guys of some time off^^
This is great! They just uploaded part 2 today! I don't know if the devs weill see this but I suggested it on the GameSpot video as well. Perhaps you guys could do something where the Devs visit the Royal Armouries and Jonathan lets them hold, inspect, and work some of the mechanisms of the weapons. Since the game is doing pretty well maybe they could offer a donation to the Museum. Just a thought. Would love to see more.
Also the Royal Armouries are in collaboration with Team17 for Marauders a.k.a Space Tarkov. The amount of rare and obsure variants of guns they have in that game is fairly impressive, but it's still rough and in early access. Marauders' direct collaboration with Royal Armouries is probably one of the main factors on why they've haven't done an episode on it yet; they're waiting for a more complete version so they can show off their very best efforts.
I will probably be making a game soon, doubt it'll have many guns in it but I literally used to live about 2 miles from the royal armouries coulda got that easy haha.
You guys absolutely deserve this. You have taken the military FPS genre by storm with something so simple-looking, yet made with so much love and care. You reminded everyone what really matters in a game and made something with a lot of heart and charm. Keep up the fantastic work.
It brings me joy seeing a game dev happily celebrating that highly respected reviewers love their game. They deserve all the praise they get and their spot on the top
So excited to see the "soon to be shorter RPG fragmentation rounds" ❤😂 These devs are awesome its so fun to watch them riding this wave of success & immediately taking note of everything they can fix, improve, tweak and/or add to the game! I just wish I could mod it so I could hear a "Roblox Oof" every time a player gets downed
seeing the dev both hyped and excited aswell as very observant what the expert has to say; it shows true passion for his work, not only pride, but also the will to make it as good as possible... I think I'm going to get this game soon, not only because it looks fun, but also because it is a cause and team worth supporting
Funnily enough, the physical, on-rifle range finder would not be difficult to use if you know your dope (your ranging/drop+drift data) by heart. Shooting rifles like that is often fairly aimple to just open both of your eyes and shift focus between down-range and up close by using the different eyes. It'd be a fairly simple matter to check your range by just opening an eye, glancing at the display, and then refocus back into the scope. For the limitation of video games, I think how it shows up in the scope is perfectly fine, as it achives basically the same effect as what I described
I so happy for you du de. I watched the original video, and theres comments on it about your reaction. And I believe they've mentioned it again in other videos, but I could be gaslighting myself on that. But you did an excellent job on it. Made me want to play it.
About Vector and "recoiless" guns in general: they all have recoil just because there is a bolt that slaps if not at the end but at least when round goes into the chamber. It's not vertical move, but it is a move. You can implement it as slight random horizontal moves because your armes are not made out of concrete. This can be a way to balance guns like Vector and AK, with a slight moves that obscure vision, but bring sight back. There was some guns in Battlefield 5, I think, that was slightly worse just because their recoil was overshooting return point, and that just on bolt rifles - you can't just aquire target back as quick as on the other one that did not have overshoot in aiming.
I love how giddy the Dev looks here and it really is a well done game. Very well done that overshadows Triple A companies with their 'impressive' game nowadays. Jonathan is also always a pleasure to watch on screen.
The Expert mis-spoke about the LSW. As it is the L86A1 in-game, not the A2 that he is holding, the cocking handle in game is correct as the pear shaped cocking handle he shows was only added as part of the A2 upgrade program. The A1 had a round cocking handle as shown in game.
Honestly Didn't expect to love battlebit as much as i have so far, learned the amount of devs that worked on it recently as well. I'm glad they are getting the recognition they whole heartedly deserver.
Its so refreshing to see the Devs Generally Interested in their game and Im so glad a purchased it right when it came out, I've played the playtests and the proximity chat People aren't Overtly toxic just generally having a great time and having fun playing the game.
Pretty cool, guys. It's not the kind of game I would generally play, but been hearing very good things about it. I saw a couple of firearms I have actually used and I am just as impressed as he was with the way you have managed to capture important details and silhouettes whilst still being low polygon count. Amazing stuff, and great attention to detail across the board; even his strongest criticisms were actually nitpicking, because you set the bar so high.
That was super wholesome. As someone who did the job for real & went to armorer's school I know I can clearly tell why the game is called remastered. A LOT of love & care went into the guns & almost all of them work properly and cycle like their IRL equivalents. You guys did a great job & I'm enjoying the crap out of the game.
These guys being prepared to take a hammering in critique publicly and take notes directly from an expert is amazing. Developers for the AAA games should take note and be prepared to learn from experts and the people who buy and ply their games
