Adama's hardline with Tyrol in this episode is a direct result of his speech at the end of the boxing episode. I think pre-New Caprica Adama would have absolutely been more open to cutting people breaks and labour unions, but he's deeply scarred by the event and had become more hard-edged with the wellfare of the sleep as a whole. Great episode.
What the fleet needs are training schools for key specialties. Not just for things like refining but also teachers up through highly technical levels (college prof types). They also need to be training medical professionals (what happens if one of their like 3 doctors dies?), scientists, lawyers, engineers, etc. They seem to have a really strong host of professionals in various capacities in the fleet now but all of those are fragile and possible to lose to Cylon attack or accident without replacement.
What Mike was saying at 15:47 ish. It does make sense given his concern that may be a Cylon or that he may just be going crazy. Similar to when Fantasy Six appeared to him first nude sitting on a chair; later wearing sweat pants & said, "I can't take it anymore, can u smell the psychosis."
Hi guys, I love this episode. The view from the bottom looks very different than the narrow scope we usually get in the show. I remember the first time I saw this one and the reveal that Gaius truly filled the *chosen one* trope as he's even a farm-boy! This single episode gave James Callis an opportunity to show there IS more to Gaius than the pretty boy scientist we first met, and as the back half of the season kicks in, you'll see it's only the beginning. Is Gaius deliberately stirring unrest? Abso-frickin-lutely. Is he wrong? No. The situation we're shown on the refinery ship is excellently done, from the over-work, exhaustion, and air of despondency through to the enlisting of children. It tidily sums up how quickly a catastrophic event can *down* skill a generation. Great conversation as always, cheers.
This episode back when I watched it for the first time ... really shook me . We often mention in the comments that a part of the "ride" that this show offers is that there will be parts where you will absolutely love some characters, and there will be parts where you will absolutely hate the very same characters ... -- and this was my moment where -- being brought up on generally Star Trek like Captains -- this "take his wife and put her next to a wall and shoot her " -- this bit really got me to dislike Adama for a while ... , and this bit, more than anything else got me to subscribe to the theory that a part of BSG is that through circumstances, we really didn't get the best people to be in charge . And unlike Star Trek, where most of the time in theory we're watching the Flagship of the Federation, with The Best of The Best on board ... -- here we're really not watching that ... , and despite Adama's (and Rosalyn's ) "better moments" , we're really not watching the best that Humanity has to offer .
Baltar's suddenly becoming critical of the aristocracy despite being one himself and suddenly sympathizing with the working class after being wealthy for many, many years and inexplicably tapping into a cultural force he can exploit sure does hit different these days
This is a wonky superficial reading of the situation because Trump doesn't actually believe what he's saying whereas Baltar does; and more importantly Trump is spouting populist rhetoric from the right whereas Baltar is coming from the left. Appealing to the masses isn't inherently problematic the problem is when you appeal to their xenophobia, aka what Trump is doing, not Baltar. Genuinely changing your mind is not hypocrisy
@@LMarti13 never said it was a perfect 1:1, but the concept of “rich guy exploiting poor people’s anger” is still present. I’d also argue it’s debatable at best whether Baltar truly cares. But hey, between those two, I’ll take Baltar any day lol
I like this episode a lot and wish there were more like it in the series. It deals with several subjects which are overlooked by the main story. As Zarek in the past suggested - the fleet is not the colonies, it is a different civilisation now and we have a good, long look at what it has become. And it is really ugly. Humanity on the verge of survival can easily turn into a militarized nightmare straight from Warhammer 40k, but not cool in any way, so in other words it can turn into the Soviet Union in the 1940s where workers and farmers have no rights, hungry children are shot for stealing food while people in charge enjoy good life even if they are utterly incompetent bastards. There are so many historical comparions which can be done to the situation of the ordinary people working and living in almost caste-like 'societies' on industrial ships of the Fleet and I will make only one - to the totalitarian phase of the communism in Soviet Union and the subdued eastern part Europe. People rarely realise how horrible workers were treated at that time in that part of the world and rarely ask the question why later it was actually a trade union which has overthrown communism in Poland - the first country to leave that system of government behind. I find it fascinating how... correct Baltar is in the pieces of his book we are presented, even if we know that he is trying to present himself in the best possible way posible. Pehaps even to himself. The fleet is becoming a feudal monarchy - the military provides security, but enjoys some privilages, ruling aristocracy rules the masses while ordinary people are working, almost contantly. The fleet would face a disaster eventually if the protest action was not taken and it is a blessing that Tyrol was there - a respected man who can see what is wrong and has courage to do what has to be done. Take care guys!
Milo should've TOTALLY been Boxey- just saying. Also? There were two kids- the one on the refinery ship (Milo) and the "you're a farmer now" kid, Danny.
Yes, There is a reason why we have child labor laws. 🧐 There is also a fundamental difference between a "work Stoppage labor standards negotiation" And "Seize the means of production." 🤔
Just a note - if you find Baltar guilty of negligence as the President then you have to condemn Adama for the same crime as the head of the military. In this world, the President is not the automatic head of the military as well. The military is independent by and large and all military decisions were made by the Admiral. I get despising Baltar cause he *is* a cockroach. He'll do anything to survive, *but*, I think every single action he's taken at least since the initial allowing Six to access the mainframe was taken either for survival or because he actually believed it was the right thing. Even his allowing Six to access the mainframe is the kind of work sharing that programmers engage in all the time with a lot of "wink, wink, nodding" even if it breaks the rules. Baltar, like almost all of the citizenry, believed that there was no chance of a Cylon war flaring up again.
The line for me in all of this was Galactica's deck crew going on strike. The civilian refinery makes sense, its militarily critical but still civilians. The deck crew are in the military, they can't be allowed to go on strike. They should be allowed to resign from the service and Chief should be bringing up that there is a similar issue, but the military has to operate to a different standard. The refinery is Roslin's problem, ultimately, and she needs to be doing to civilian government functions this episode brings up. Secondary benefits would be providing a structure for the military to recruit various specialists from, since whether they're out in space or defending another new planet they'll eventually need replacements for all roles. On the warships, however, you have to follow orders or get out. Keeping those planes flying wasn't an unlawful order, they can't be striking. Denying Selix the promotion/role change is a different story and comes back to the civilian system needing to be able to provide for military replacements. Not just from transfers but also casualties. I get that its for the plot device to tell the story they were trying to tell, we don't see all the other ships in the fleet, we don't know all the food service, techs, etc on the other ships and if they'd used them it wouldn't have been as impactful as "our deck gang" so I get it from that perspective.
"in a time of war" what war? didnt she state the war over, humans lost? lol its more like predators hunting prey, a fish is not at war with the fisherman is it? maybe it should be but lol its not... as far as fillers go this is a good one
