Bayonetta 3 on Switch - DF Tech Review - A Great Game With Polish & Performance Issues 

It looks like a cross gen game... but between PS3 and PS4 generation.

So, a Nintendo game.

probably they will port it to the next Switch, like Bayonetta 2 on Wii U...

Nah the game just feels stylized in a different way than expected as well as unpolished when it comes to frames and some effects

@@Radek494 nope, better than that for damn sure lmao

I bet Nintendo games would still be made with the old Switch in mind even if there's a new successor for Switch.

Monolith games ran like shit since the beginning on the switchs launch and still run like shit today. Those are the lowest resolution first party games out there.

Object motion blur saves 30fps for me

The silent majority love Motion Blur, including myself.

@@aweigh1010 that's one way of looking at the world I guess.

@@pierreo33 I don't mind motion blur?

@@aweigh1010 Love motion blur? Can't tell if trolling or console gamer.

@@mikeuk666 nah ps5 can do 120 fps easy but it deff cant do 1440p120 its one or the other 1440p or 120 fps

@@mikeuk666 Overwatch 2 runs at 1440p@120fps, it looks more demanding than Bayonetta 3. You good?

@@mikeuk666 Horizon Forbidden West on PS5 can reach 70-90+ fps, provided you play in Performance mode on a TV with HDMI 2.1.

@@indiscretion. what about gotham?

@@lum26akua28 It's not really more demanding tho.

Fuck that game was lit. Here's hoping for a sequel one day.

@@michaeloconnor1281 🙏

Astral chain wasn't as fast paced and the combat was way simpler.

@@via_negativa6183 What? Astral Chain can be as fast paced as Bayonetta. The only difference is the scale of the enemies on Bayonetta 3.

@@via_negativa6183 well yes, but as the video shows the 30fps lock in certain gameplay instances & cutscenes works just fine for Bayo 3, not that I like 30fps if I can avoid it but it would look more consistent than the game dropping below 60fps 99% of the time

Ye thats why they needed to constrain the game with small levels but they felt pressured for the 3rd entry to top the previous games in scale but its failing on all fronts . Kinda ironic since bayo 2 is a better looking game that runs better too

Oh it will have a 120+ FPS mode, but not on the Nintendo weak. Gonna play this at 4K 60+ on the master race.

@@spacecoffee6706 bring out the switch emulator ;!

@@spacecoffee6706 are you going to buy the game? Otherwise you should be ashamed.

@@ms.p99 Another emulation = piracy clown... Of course i will buy it mate, i just refuse to play at switch standards in 2022.

Funnily enough, the PS3 version of Bayonetta is the version I played the most back in 2010. Later I got it on the 360, Wii U, PC and Switch. Yup, I guess I'm a fan.

@@mistersurrealist You and many people, PS3 version sold surprisingly well as far as I remember because people just didn't know about technical issues going into a game back then and PlayStation probably was the console that garnered the most hack & slash fans with God of War and Devil May Cry on PS2.

the ptsd from pre-patch ps3 b1 😵‍💫

@Spiral It was likely the developers not understanding PS3 cell architect with DMC4 being able to pull out 60fps I believe PS3 was more capable than that

@@weaverquest It actually outsold the original 360 version

13:59?

So, like playing a Souls game. Gotcha.

I just saw a video on Platinum’s youtube channel explaining “lining up” attacks. It’s a game changer really, I went from attacking ankles to using Demon Slave in unison with combos. The general idea is that while the demon is attacking, it will queue the next attack which allows you to release ZL, move and attack with Bayonetta, and then press ZL again to keep the Demon combo going, then repeat.

well bayonetta has after burnner kick, double jump ,air combo and can teleport to enemy use them as a trampoline like forever as long as there are enemy she don't need to touch the ground so it his choice to punching monsters ankles

As is tradition

Well that how Nintendo works Look out Wii sales compare to X360 and PS3 As many gamers have to clue about specs

Its looks and runs like crap. Theres your coverage.

Target audience for that would be very small.

@@The_Ostrich I thought you were trolling...then I watched some videos and sadly you are right :(

@@The_Ostrich 1080p50-60fps with MetalFX in the most stressing village areas, on the base M1 Mac from like 2020 is crap? Maybe do some research before you start typing.

@@denisruskin348 he plays mario

Yeah option for 30fps is needed.

@@peterkevintaylor Yup and option is the key word here. Wouldn't want to limit the potential of a backwards compatible Switch 2 with a 30 fps cap.

No, what needs to happen is a more powerful Switch to be launched, thats it.

Not so classic because the hardware was obsolete from the beginning. Bayo 2 was a port and had both input lag and graphics issues.

@@malamucik2096 example of it it is because it happens all the time. With other generations aging hardware.

My point is other platforms have aged. Switch was outdated from day one.

And still, we get hardcore fanboys saying, that the Switch has to be weak, 'cause "it's portable" and "graphics/performance don't matter". I'm so sick of this.

@@malamucik2096 Huh?? You have no idea what you're talking about. The Switch uses 2015 hardware(Nvidias Tegra X1) and launched in 2017. Meanwhile the PS4 uses 2011 HW(Jaguar and GCN) and launched in 2013. The PS4 was far more "obsolete" in 2017 and onwards than the Switch. What ignorant folks like you don't understand is that the Switch has to run its HW at a low power envelope because it is a portable device in a small chassis. The PS4 and PS5 on the other hand can chug on electricity straight from an outlet without relying on batteries, additionally they aren't meant to be handheld and are therefore huge compared to the Switch increasing heat dissipation. It's like calling the PSP which launched in 2005 obsolete versus the Dreamcast that launched in 1998.. They are 2 different platforms with different goals(handheld gaming vs TV gaming).

Not really. Nier Automata is fantastic

But is it excusable?

meanwhile Requiem...

@@lokeras92 Yet it lacked polish on PC

@@lokeras92 uhm I'm not sure if you and I played the same game then lol. I love Nier but even then I can see its lack of techincal polish

Nah not really, just poor optimization for a console that’s hard to optimize for. Xenoblade is proof of that, it came out laggy and glitchy as hell, now it runs better than any of the previous titles lol

That dithering effects HAS to go. It looks terrible. I felt like i was emulating a PS1 game.

The dumb thing is that every game uses this instead of real transparencies now and I have no idea why because it looks terrible.

So that's what they call that pixelated transparent effect. I thought it was just a design choice lol. Anyway I almost always play in handheld mode so it doesn't matter that much, everything is tiny 😂

@John Smith Oh yeah, I had forgotten about it. When I first played Odyssey I thought it reminded me of how the Sega Saturn displayed 'transparencies'.

@@TakumiJoyconBoyz Alpha transparency is, even now, just expensive. This is especially true for alphas with smooth transitions in opacity. Smooth alpha transparencies are also very difficult to work with when layered in top of each other, especially with effect animations. I suspect the increased use of it newer games is because at larger resolutions the dithering effect is much less noticeable.

I don't get why anyone would rush to defend a giant corporation. It's weird.

They're running low on copium.

not sure what it is with platinum recently but there graphics seem to get worse and worse lol

@@ronuss ikr? I always thought nier, astral chain and bayo 3 look way worse than bayo 2, transformers and mgr

it categorically does NOT look worse....the visuals are better and they are doing moree things, but perhaps too much

@@GuyOnTheInternet53 I think nier automata is a good looking game. And as terrible as babylon's fall was I assume it looked next gen. So they can do current gen visuals, it's just the switch's hardware and them not wanting to compromise their vision for gameplay mechanics and scale. And I'm glad they didn't but visuals took a hit for it and performance didn't quite get up to their usual standard. But i think they did try, this is probably why development took so long, as I'm guessing they delayed it trying to get it to a stable 60fps until they reached their limit.

@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu have you ever even seen any footage of babylon's fall? it looked atrocious

It can even hold a stable 60fps on a hacked switch

30fps cap is garbage

@@chadmann132 better then an unstable mess that constantly switches from 16ms to 33ms of responsiveness

@@goncaloduarte4683 sure, whatever you say, that stuff you hardly notice unless you're a PC guy with a fps statistic on at all times.

30fps is unplayable

@@The_Ostrich Fuckin spare me.

Bayonutting all over this Digital Foundry analysis.

I have been summoned my brother.

Punk

Unnghrrnhh... 😩

That is what also bug's me.

I think the opposite, 720p lock would mean better frame rates instead of getting use out of every tiny pixel to a game that's already dated. At least the pixel change allows for a higher resolution lock once the Switch Pro releases next year with the Nvidia upscale. Yeah I said it! Next year! Definitely maybe but probably improbable and yet plausible.

Who plays Pokemon for the framerate? I just want CONTENT in the game this time

@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged Excuses, excuses.

@@lum26akua28 lmao get all upset over a game that you’re not even gonna buy

@_ Sionor Why does that matter? A stable performance is something all games should aim for, no matter what genre. It doesn't need to have ultra crisp and detailed visuals, it just needs to run properly.

​@@KirbyPhelpsPK So you *need* a stable framerate to press the "A" button in Pokemon? I really don't think you know what Pokemon actually is.

Me too. Capcom were fucking idiots for not chucking money at Bayonetta when the IP was up for grabs.

@@SaberRexZealot Why would they though?? They have DMC which sold way more. Bayo 1 sold less than 1 million copies. DMC franchise at than point had already sold like 15 million copies. Capcom could just make more DMC games rather than grabbing another action franchise that would cut into their own established action franchise.

I was concerned too and thinking it didn't look smooth. I already have the collector edition pre ordered and coming to me, so I love the series a lot. I'm just baffled everyone else said it looked smooth and great visually when I felt it wasn't really. I'm sad but I hope tonstill be entertained and have fun, but I do hope maybe they release an update to lock at 30 maybe. It seems like that would be best for this, or wait for the next Gen upgrade to Switch 2 someday if it ever happenns.

Completely agree

Just shows you how absurdly blind the Nintendo fandom is.

Really sad indeed. Capcom showed how a game like that can sell well. DMC 5 sold 6 million copies and it's an older franchise that was almost murdered when they rebooted it in 2013.

Child hunger is sad. Bayonetta 3 performance issues are irritating at worst.

@@SonicTheFrenchHorn That is the most internet thing I've read all day. Like one time in school a classmate was really hungry and said they "were starving" so promptly got a lecture about malnourished children in third world countries. Maybe log off and chill out a bit.

I will never understand this kind of excusing of this exclusivity. I do understand that Platinum as well as Nintendo need to make money, but creating a game is an art to me. If i was a game developer and Nintendo as the only publisher came to offer me a financial help to create a sequel of a certain game in exchange for the game being exclusive only to their console, i would politely thank them for a kind offer and said "no". Why would i want to make the game look bad because of Nintendo hardware limitation? Just to make money? No. The game is my creation, my art and i want to make it look and run as good as possible. I would rather make some different game with different publisher on different hardware and who knows, maybe later some other publisher with better hardware would come to support Bayonetta sequel and i could make it look awesome. Why willingly make it look like garbage?

@@viktorzeman5202 You got the game on more powerfull hardware with different publisher. It is called Babylon's Fall. If they did not partner with Nintendo, alternative would be not having the game. Game got critical acclaim. It may potentially be nominated for game awards. It got same metacritic score with horizon which is a technological show piece. I think it is fine.

Anyone else that can confirm this?

@@maartenhendrickx8962 yep, better textures and FPS somewhat around 60 in docked mode. Handheld seems to be 30 FPS capped.

Thats a ps2 native resolution right there

Emulation

It's actually fine on switch, I've had no fps drops and the quality is great on docked mode.

Its 480p on handheld..

@@shadow_force how do you even play in 480p 30? Is it at least upscaled to some sensible resolution?

Stellar Blade is coming next

Yep, I’m done buying these hamstrung switch games. Haven’t bought a switch game in years because of it.

@@jonr7364 imagine wasting $60 on a game that can easily run on a ps3/360

don't forget pc. imagine bayo3 with rtx on. that's a sight to behold.

@@jonr7364 I'm really tired of the huge amount of pop in that too many switch games have, the constant and major drop in frames, and the nauseous, blurry resolutions. Fanboys are always creating excuses like, "Nintendo games are not about the best graphics and framerate", "gameplay is the most important thing." yeah sure, gameplay is one of the most important things, but creative gameplay is also being limited by the switch's extreme lack of power. Think about how many ideas had to be scrapped for tears of the kingdom, simply because the switch isn't able to handle those ideas.

mix of both. the switch hardware is weak but the devs did not work around the established limits as much as they could

Because bayonetta is pretty much a nintendo ip cause they help finance the sequels but who knows what could happen

Yeah, just remember how underpowered the original Wii was from 2006, considering that was powerful as OG Xbox(2001 console)

Yeah I love the switch, but bayo 3 seems like evidence that Nintendo needs some better hardware for devs to work with now

@@skyyswaggstudios2934 Well that because Nintendo couldn´t give a damn about specs. You have to talk about the Original Wii which was really behind of the PS3 and X360 in terms of specs

How did you overclock it.

Wouldn't that overheat the console and cause it to lose battery very quick?

How do you do that?

And they are wasting that 10 year contract with Nvidia. Almost 6 years into the contract and they only utilized the Tegra X1 - a chip that was already outdated in 2017. 💀💀

They wanting transition to half techical/half usual review, but i don't think it's a great idea if techical side will suffer. He also didn't mentioned that Viola gameplay is less taxing and more smoother and he didn't use Demon Slave that much, that in combination with big enemies would crush framerate even lower. You can see it one time with dragon enemy on the footage - this is how low it would run at most taxing moments.

That has to be in reference to the Space Harrier sequence in the original Bayonetta.

modded switch owners eating good :)

Can confirm that even max GPU overclock doesn't help a lot. (UPD) CPU overlcock also need's to be applied. This game is more CPU intensive than B2. It helps but it's still not locked to 60 and there still memory clocks limitation constraining performance.

@@saaaaaaaaadasda So it must not be well optimized for Switch. Bizzare...

@@LoliconSamalik They trying to pull off what hardware can't achieve. They should stick to B2 rendering budget and HD resolution, that would make it almost locked at 60fps, as was B2 in Docked mode.

Modern Vintage Gamer made a video about overclocking for bayonetta 3, it does help but the main problem is that the memory bandwidth of the switch is so slow. so overclocking wont achieve 60fps

Switch emulation on PC will "upgrade" this game long before Switch 2 is here. Currently,Ryujinx already got the game running smoothly at 60+fps when in combat and rarely drops below 60. You can choose to upscale the game to 2K or 4K and it will look gorgeous. The only problem with playing the game on emulator right now is delayed audio in cutscenes. Gameplay wise,it is 100% playable.

In a game where you fuck everything up doing crazy combos most people don't give a shit if it doesnt look amazing

Cry more?

​@@pedrogoncalves4585 But it doesn't run amazing either, so trade off that Platinum between fps and graphics choose nothing. And please don't even try to pretend that framerate doesn't matter in a fast-paced action game like this, especially on maximum difficulty.

Can't let the small stuff get in the way of a good game. For me I can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps and the graphics don't matter because I'm too busy having fun to notice

@@darkcloak100 Have fun getting hit by enemies on maximum difficulty with that unstable framerate and enemies, SFX and your summon's blocking your vision.

Some people are more sensible than others with unstable framerate. I was fine with RE2 Remake dropping to 50fps for example, but other people can't stand it

Dropping from 60 usually doesn’t bother me that much either. Especially compared to dropping from 30. It is very different dropping from 60 to 40 compared to dropping from 30 to 20. That said I’d rather it hit 60 more often. I’ll see how I feel when I play the game. But first I will play Star Ocean The Devine Force. Another game with frame drops.

The game masks it’s frame drops relatively well

I play PC game on a 144hz monitor. Most games don't hit that mark, but they usually run above 60. I really don't care about bayonetta 3's performance. It feels great to play, and I just got done playing DMC5.

Yeah, Im sensible to fps but this game feels smooth to me. Its a shame how everything gets reduced to numbers here, i dont care how unstable it seems in this analysis, the reality is: it feels smooth

Bye

It has those giant exclusives, and it's also the best multiplayer system hands down.

@@force5926 Yeah, a bunch of childish games for virgins and kids. Thanks, but I'll pass. Did you say multiplayer? That garbage machine that operates at 720p and doesn't even have a LAN cable port? You're a comedian, dude.

@@carlosbaptista7183 Well why did PS4 sold well even when the machine was a collecting dust in first 3 years

@@carlosbaptista7183 Well the Original Wii manage to sold 100 millions units despite being an overclocked Gamecube in terms of specs. However the Original Wii was a horrible forgettable console, nothing but dumping ground for shovelware, awful ports and rushed games. Made for casuals which got tired of playing it after 2 years. The Original Wii after 2009 was just a collecting dust for a lot of people, only hardcore nintendo gamers played it after 2009 and all they got was shovelware, overpriced classic games and occasional 1st party games

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