Correction for 3:25 - There is a tutorial, but it only displays if you press + while the small prompt is on screen just after taking control of Chesire. So it's my mistake, but I think the basic point remains that it should have been clearer- it's extremely easy to miss those prompts with all the stuff happening in this game and it doesn't make much sense for critical instructions to be optional anyway. Those points notwithstanding, I remain trash.
In a distant future or alternative universe, Konami will make a spin-off of Bayonetta that uses Viola as the main character and everyone will start liking her
Bayonetta 4 will be voiced by Chris Pratt and have a monologue where Bayonetta looks straight at the camera and explain the importante of having sex strictly for reprodutive purposes.
They can think of unique mechanics that will make the combat more interesting than the previous ones. He's the guy who invented the hack and slash genre and made two successful franchises out of them.
@@daniboy4153 I'm surprised you finished this game and can't answer that. The possibilities are literally endless now. They could create any Bayonetta in any universe and just play off that.
I would just like to point out that in regards to the story one problem players may have is that it is marked by Bayonetta's increasing severity of failure in her ability to save anyone. By the third alternate universe it less enthusiasm towards seeing a new and wildly different Bayonetta, and more a morbid curiosity as to how they were going to die. In regards to Viola aside from being redundant comedy relief another problem she has is that her purpose in the story is rendered irrelevant after she gives the exposition, and even that was half done by Rodin. In the end it's Bayonetta that resolves the Luka plot (that Bayonetta herself tasked Viola with), and it could be seen as telling that despite the numerous phases of the final boss Viola doesn't have a single section and is instead easily defeated in cutscenes.
Thats actually a curious one and makes me wonder if they even initially thought of Viola when making this game. Cause in the intial reveal trailer last year, they ended the trailer with a Viola teaser, but Bayonetta was in Viola only chapters anyways. We know the game went through huge changes before, so I wonder if it was still mostly the semi open game last year when they showed it off
This game really hurts my soul. Been a huge fan of this series since the first game. Bayo 1 is up there in my top 3 best of all time. But man, this game really goes hard on style over substance. Bayonetta's playstyle is 10/10, but the game constantly fights for control over you. With minigame sequences, poor camerawork and constantly changing playstyles. Viola's gameplay is an absolute fucking joke and I can't believe they're intent on replacing such a unique character like Bayonetta with... Katana girl. Wow, real fucking original. Sure can't pick up any other action game where the main character fights with a sword. Absolutely groundbreaking. Her playstyle doesn't even make sense from a conceptual level. Most of your damage comes from an AI which is already weird for a skill based combo system. Your witch time is mapped to the same button as your gap closer which leads to many accidental inputs. When the aforementioned AI is summoned you cannot even fucking block because your sword is gone! And your moveset is reduced to spamming punches. God I hate this character with a burning passion and just that they even consider her worthy of a sequel makes me really think this game straight up killed the franchise. I've barely even touched it after finishing the (horrible) story, compared to the other 2 where you immediately wanna jump into higher difficulty runs for extra unlockables.
Yeah, i would prefer to Viola not existing, they could just add katana moves to Jeanne and make her fully playable in the campaign. Also Viola waste frames of animation on blocking... so her Witch Time is actually worse than Bayo.
@@saaaaaaaaadasda We already have a katana in the first game, and Jeanne is canonically an experimented swordfighter. Would have made tons of sense for Jeanne to get the Viola section.
I played 3 immediately afterwards since it has tons of cool unlockables/easter eggs. (Still have to play some more). But yeah I was thinking the same thing, if this franchise really goes ahead and makes Viola the main character I am done.
Viola feels like someone high up said she must be there even though most of the staff and writers thought it was a bad idea, so they made her super lame at nearly every opportunity they could. The only important question though is weather it was Kamiya or someone else who was that higher up who demanded her.
As a bit of an outsider looking in, I was thinking the exact same. I do not play the games, but I've seen them, and watching this it was all about what I expected from the franchise then she shows up and my eyebrows raise a bit lol. Game looks good but she looks very forced.
@@recon_ik she's cool because she's not cool, she tries too hard to be cool and consistently fails at it while having the player is doing cool moves in the game while having a badass sidekick, she is legit great because she isn't a perfect plain Jane Merry Sue, SHE IS VIOLA
@@chillhour6155 i dont know I thought she was hella cringy and corny. I also feel like she just didn’t fit the bayo universe. Like her music is amazing, but it doesn’t fit bayonetta. Taking her out of the story would nearly do no harm to it. Just my thoughts tho
@@chillhour6155 no no she's not great, you can't even say "SHE IS VIOLA" when she's called Bayonetta now, please read what you write before posting so you can save yourself from sounding like an idiot.
So, Viola is an angsty, cocky, cowardly masc teen whose primary weapon is a katana who serves as a supposed foil to the very thing she's derivative of... Travis Touchdown? Is that you?
The Demon slave mechanic was a fun change of pace, but it really felt like the game expected players to over-rely on it. This ended up with some enemies having bloated health pools and chapter time grades being VERY strict. I beat one bonus stage in less than a minute and was given a silver medal for time. I don't think it is a bad mechanic, but personally it is way more satisfying to preform actual combos and mix ups on enemies rather than just relying on Demons to handle the bulk of the work. Overall I really liked the game though. I feel like there are only dozens of us who actually liked the crazy "non core gameplay" moments like Demon Galaga, Kaiju Battles, and Motorcycle Chases. Makes it come together to feel like the batshit cray action movie that Bayonetta is.
I thought I wouldn't use them much but they really did just add to your combo potential and they weren't overpowered like Umbran Climax was. Like it made sense to use demon slaves sporadically but not rely on it too much like an instant win. Balancing between demon and Bayo is quite complex and fun. This system was so much more fun to wield than Umbran climax to the point I refuse to even activate it when playing Bayo 2 as I consider it cheating.
I think it was a mistake not to have the demon slaves match the combos of their associated weapons. I'd be much more inclined to use them if Madama Butterfly had Colour My Worlds moveset with full combos instead of just one or two combos available. Baal is more interesting, and they all get *some* interesting moves, albeit bound to some incredibly asinine button inputs instead of normal combos.
@@ASpaceOstrich Really? That sounds worse. What incentive would there be to use the demons if the movement was identical but bigger? I don't really understand this criticism. Unique movements are a good thing.
@@Cepheus773 Its currently got like, one punch and one kick. It has a few special inputs on top of that but why aren't punch/kick combos being utilised on them?
The biggest downside for me with this one were the costumes. The first two games had a variety of costumes you could get, including a few exclusive Nintendo costumes. 3’s costumes are just the multiverse Bayonettas with optional color variations. Pretty much like Viola’s gameplay, her costumes come in one flavor, shirt. And usually another shirt can be the same design, but in purple, so you can’t even change to any color like Bayonetta. Viola is also the only one to have anything Nintendo related, which is a lousy Switch shirt, and it’s a shame since she would had been perfect for a Link costume.
@@vaporsaver yes but they had two entire games to get used to Nero and considerable character development between the two, hell even if DMC5 didn't exist, Nero is still playable during 50% of DMC4 in comparison to Dante, Viola feels like you only get 20% of the gameplay in comparison to Bayonetta.
With the kind of stakes and the ending (spoilers of course) that Bayo 3 has, if it was always Kamiya's plan to have 6 more games follow it, then I guess I'd be as suprised as the next guy to see what Platinum does in a (potential) sequel. I just dunno how you make six sequels after this.
Lol maybe In the 6th game bayo might fight queen sheeba and then we'll get her as a demon slave😭😭😭🤣 And then In the 7th we'll go stupid and fight Omne 🤣
As I was playing it felt like the primary focus was on the quality of the fighting animations. The hardware limited how far they could push it as mentioned int eh video so it felt like they compensated with the move sets of all the enemies and characters. Like the extra dance moves bayonetta adds in if you just use an attack but don’t finish the combo.
I noticed those little flourishes too, I don't know why they did that. In a game where the huge demons make visibility difficult to occasionally impossible they decided to make the attack animations persist long past the attack for gameplay irrelevant style over substance. In 1, the sweeps of Scarborough Fair were communicated much better to the player and had a lot more gameplay relevant interaction with the larger amount of humanoid enemies. I can't really even describe the attack order of Colour My World because it's so filled with extraneous dancing. And no I won't buy Bayonetta 1 for the fourth time for one weapon. Terrible decision. On disc dlc especially for a weapon you can use in the story is egregious imo.
@@twoplus2787 While i think choreography on Colour is good, it really doesnt make sense to have so much ineffective pauses between 2-5 inputs. Even though Bayonetta treats fight as a dance, she still a very effective combatant at the end of the day.
I didn't mind where the story was going, I just wish it did MORE with what they had. All of the characters get sidelined hard, nobody develops or changes, and nobody really communicates in 3. The new enemy types being literally blobs with no emotion or voice means bayo doesn't even get to talk shit really. Some of the music misses the mark. (i.e Chinese world has generic chinese theme etc, some really generic action game/movie music.) I also dont get why they decided making the character textures so realistic. There's nothing wrong with realism but if your target platform is Switch it just ends up making the characters look even more dated and worse than bayo 1/2. but besides that i feel bayo 3 is hands down my favorite mechanically. All the weapons are great, and the jeanne and viola sections were pretty good.
Reminds me a lot of how No More Heroes 3 looks in comparison to NMH 1 and 2. I guess strange “realistic” looking characters and weird enemy designs are becoming a switch trend.
I pretty much agree, though Enzo's diminished role was upsetting. Killing off his family in the first chapter and Rodin giving him shit about it was also quite mean for our favorite Italian. EDIT: Also, your comment about the Cheshire part confused me. The game made it perfectly clear what the goal is.
Yeah. I did not think I was going to have to dig. Even when I saw the shaking tail, I thought it indicated some secret and was this close to leaving it for later when I struggled to find it.
My issue with the level design is that the need to accommodate demon slave resulted in the stages being big empty arenas that remind me of DMC2 levels...
@@lightspaceman5064 It becomes empty pretty fast actually. I haven't 100%'d it yet, but even when playing Expert mode for the first time it barely felt different with the Teen time challenges having no reward any more and chests having nothing of worth if you don't use items (Angel Attack somewhat addressed this if you either wanted the exclusive buffs or liked the mode). It comes down to Bewitchments which aren't dependent on any specific difficulty, score which is trivialised if you don't want to do a full PP run on the level and the Umbran tears which don't help that the game is very frontloaded in a first playthrough. You'll only be looking around to get a full PP which isn't unusual for a PlatinumGames game, but I think this has a worse balance than prior Bayo and especially TW101 where for better or worse, Normal, Hard and 101% Hard had a lot of value each.
I think there is a strong desire in games media to have a 'passing of the torch' moment for this generation. To hand the lead roles of long-running franchises to fresh new faces. GOW Ragnarok is heavily implying it may do the same with Atreus. Because familiar IPs are now prioritized vastly more than entirely new ones, expect a lot more IPs to try this kind of handoff of the 'lead character' baton.
I don't think it's a "this generation" thing. Many authors always want to pass the torch after they feel that they already said what had to be said about their protagonist but they want to continue using the built world (also what you said about IPs), and on each occasion the reception is always complicated with varied successes: Every Joestar, Gohan, Boruto , Terry MCGinnis, Korra in animated media and Rock Howard, Raiden, Apollo Justice, Nero, Ichiban Kasuga, Atreus, Ellie Williams are only a few of them.
Not really too new a concept in hindsight: Tekken did the same with it's 3rd entry by making Jin the new protagonist, and the current Donkey Kong debuted in the Country titles as the grandson of the one from the Arcade games.
He's not wrong about the challenges. They're suppose to let you experiment with the mechanics and help you "git gud," but a lot of them (especially in Bayo 3) were complete bullshit. Pushing me into a fog wall doesn't make me any better at the game, it's just a massive inconvenience. And Chapter 10 Verse 1 sucked.
yeah it was nonsense. It feels like some of these pocket dimensional challenges expect you to beat the game first so you have a solution on hand. Like, if you equip the Nucleus that autopilots demons, that challenge gets solved for you, but you don't get the opportunity to earn that until WAY later in the game. And that's ignoring the Umbran Armor method, which is also WAY later.
Dmc1 taught the player about enemy weak points, critical kills and niche strategies you could fill into your game plan. If it’s not setting that bar it’s not a good secret mission.
Frankly, that one's more of a camera issue than a texture one ; these cars are way outside the play zone and there's plenty of higher quality car models featured beforehand in this same area and a few others. In fact, as Nerrel says, the camera is a huge problem in this game. It's horrid. They've changed it a lot compared to the first two because they have to account for Demon Slaves now but it ends up making many fights unreadable, and it still doesn't work properly with some demons. I avoided using War Train Gouon at all in my playthrough because it makes the viewpoint fuck off into the sky. You'd assume that would be done to make the train visible while it runs, but it doesn't properly keep it in view either. You just end up looking at empty space while enemies beat your ass off-screen.
@@Denter86 Also under certain circumstances, train demon will crush framerate into single digits. And yes, enemies now officially can attack off-screen with no audio cues.
The Switch actually destroys the Wii U in terms of hardware. However, that doesn't change the fact that the Switch is still something like a quarter of the power the PS4 (It's hard to measure) and that getting good graphics out of the Switch requires actual artistic skill and good programming instead of falling back on newer hardware tricks and pure oomph, and it's getting harder and harder NOT to rely on the comforts of newer harder as the industry is evolving rapidly. Seeing games like this and Metroid Prime Remastered coming out is impressive and extremely satisfying, knowing that not every game is an unoptimized mess that fails to really tap into its hardware's potential. Hopefully Tears of the Kingdom is more of the same.
They explain the chesire digging pretty in-depth in the tutorial popup at the beginning of the segment, and explain that your whole objective is to try to find a water source for viola. Dunno how you missed that
While for the most part I like the core combat of Bayonetta 3, there is waaaaaay too many gimmick sections that just break the flow for me. Really ruined all my interest in replaying levels for pure platinums. Nice to see at least some people enjoyed them I guess since it's clear they put a lot of effort into them. If your main complaint from Bayonetta 1 was the gimmick levels, you're gonna hate Bayo 3. They cranked that shit to 11.
One of PT's problem is that they think we will be bored by the main gameplay so they put gameplay change to keep us entertained. While it wasn't much of a problem for 1 and 2 imo, here it's too much invasive.
For the most part I like those gimmick segments, but the problem I have is when they just go on for way to long. So how is it in Bayo 3? Are there just many and/or go to on for 10+ min like the Space Harrier segment in Bayo 1?
@@DerNussknacker11 Space harrier is not 10+ minutes long to be fair. But this game is just riddled with them and they all ranked. Bayo 1 looks shy compare to this, im not joking or over exaggerating. They all concencrated in Bayos 10 chapters.
I have to wonder why they introduced viola other than plot. If they wanted to make multiple playable characters, they had plenty. Rodin and Jeanne would have been great, and I'm sure they could have made Luka work with some thought and effort. I just cant get into this game. I can go replay bayonetta 1 any time and have a blast but this one doesnt.... feel right? Its hard to explain.
I actually think the additions to Bayo 3 make it worse then Bayo 1. It suffers the same issues as Crash 3, Sly 3, and Spyro 3, umbran climax was bad in 2 but Demon Summoning just feels like a doubling down of that
Pretty much hit the issues I have had. In some areas such as combat they did try to improve where other areas such as the story and the restrictions put to gameplay are lacking and could have used more work.
I love your thoughts and voice nerrel. You’re a natural. You know how they say if you got then you got it or you either got it or ya don’t? Well.. You got it, boo.
@@saaaaaaaaadasda Nerrel really enjoyed this game. Though I wanted to, there were several issues that I had with it. Despite being very disappointed with Bayo 3, I'm still happy that Nerrel was able to have such a good time.
@@saaaaaaaaadasda Sure, I can give you my thoughts if you are genuinely asking in good faith. Here are some of the issues that *I* had. -The enemy design is very bland. The homunculi have way less personality and flair than the angels and demons. -While the Demon Slave mechanic can be fun, the slow, massive demons decelerate the pace of the combat. -The levels feel very formulaic (i.e., see a new Bayo, watch the new Bayo -spoiler-, OG Bayo rips out her heart, OG Bayo gets a new weapon and Chaos Gear). -Everything Nerrel said about Viola. -The Torture Attacks are not as varied or stylish. 90% of time you simply see Bayonetta ride the same rocket to the enemy. -The magic system does not feel as robust. It feels like a glorified summon meter. -The auto-scroller/riding verses are fun the first time, but get pretty tedious on repeated playthroughs. Honestly, the gameplay is pretty solid. Some of the above criticisms are nitpicks, to be fair. However, the biggest issue for me is the narrative. This game did not feel fun or campy compared to the previous two. The tone felt so serious, and this is without going into the infamous ending. In my opinion, the final chapters of Bayonetta 3 have some of the most egregious examples of character assassination. I know that some people would say that the story doesn’t matter, or that the story “was always bad.” To that, I would say two things. One, just because something was bad in the past, does not make it okay to be bad in the present. Two, the story does matter if it drags down the overall experience. Like, I go to the movies for the visuals and sound, right? However, it the theater absolutely *reeks*, I’m not going to enjoy myself. I’d probably leave early. Tl;dr The gameplay is not the best, but still really good. However, the narrative really drags the experience down, even when grading the story on a curve.
@@saxmanmel Thanks, we got to the point that you need to check twice if person even sincerely wanted to know something and not just here to strawmanning other opinion. 1. - Agree on enemies, i have not fully completed review list, but there's nothing coming close to Grace&Glory, Joy, Fairness, Golem or even basic bipedal enemies in terms of moves, visual/audio cues, and personality. They don't have unique death animations, unique models for damage, they also don't have intereseting neutral animations. For exaple bidepal enemies can fly, can taunt Bayo, getting pissed off by themselves, reacting to enemy step and etc etc. 2 - When you master switching and queue attacks, you will learn that they too OP, while theres almost no incentive to use usual weapons, outside of said queue attacks. They easy to learn which is good, but they also easy to master. They don't have redundancies like weapons have, but i wish they could been put in the game with more demanding/interesting enemy designs. 3. - Yep, i've also got tired of plot "twist" when theres more blood from the characters than enemies. 4. - Im just underwhelmed by her character, calling her Nero rip-off was an actual compliment and sadly she is not. 5. - They still depend on what state enemy is (ground, air, front, back) but with small ones you almost have no control, since prompt is expiring after 1 second. And there like 2 new animations and they are the same for Viola, should she got her own punkish ones? 6. - It is, basically everything that is not an artifact and sumon is not draining her magic at all. Sumons despite having wastly different abilities and attacks have single drain for sumoning and resumoning, which means they simplify a lot of magic management. Taunt are also not adding more to the magic, another risk/reward is removed. Im a gameplay guy first, but even for me this story was so bad. I mostly bothered by Bayo characterisation and destruction of the lore, because angels and demons getting tossed out like a used toys. I still adore her in Bayo 1, perfect mix of camp and seriousness, a lot of memorable phrases and etc etc. Bayo 2 also got a decent story and even give a villain from Bayo 1 sympathetic backstory and depth. This one is mish-mash of multiverses and plot-twists... because Kamiya wanted her to travel around the world and show multiple Bayonetta's that for some reason speak the same languages and don't interact in any meaningful way. Where is all the fun, like when you watching spider man animated series with multiple spider mans, it should be awesome, but its just boring for the most part. This game is good, but riddled with so much bizzare changes and decisions that it hinders product as a whole a lot. They affect directly both first time impressions and replayability of the game.
Viola's gameplay never really came together like I wanted it to and I sincerely hope they make some big adjustments to her kit in future titles: ~Her parry feels like garbage with too few frames with which to activate Witch Time, as well as causing enemies to recoil out of range for most of her attacks; by the time you approach the recoiling enemy or use one of your far reaching options, Witch Time is half over. Giving her an automatic followup like Raiden in MGR might partially remedy this. ~Double tapping R gives you a far reaching dash to home in on distant enemies (Bayo has this for every weapon herself), unfortunately the default controls also map THE ONE DEFENSIVE OPTION YOU MADE THE CHARACTER REVOLVE AROUND to the same button, leading to lots of mis-inputs and taking hits to the face. Changing the default parry input could maybe fix that. ~Her dodge is dogwater and feels bad to use; it's a waste of a button. You would probably get away with giving her something like Raiden's Offensive Defensive from Revengence instead. ~Her Devil Trigger equivalent is lame and has no depth, amounting to a button mashing mini-game for when you don't want to actually fight for 20 seconds ~Summoning Cheshire leads to a lack of options both offensively and defensively; he's also always on auto pilot which is limiting. ~Cheshire is also tethered to a certain distance of where the sword is thrown leading to situations where if you aren't paying attention you have him just sitting there out of range doing nothing while the enemies crowd you and your Witch Time-less self. ~Her darts just kind of exist. It's clear Platinum wanted to make a character that felt different to Bayonetta with different goals in her gameplan, but they already had a katana wielding, giant enemy parrying protag and his name was Raiden. Making Viola's gameplay more closely resemble his while iterating on it could be the key to making her kit feel more cohesive and functional, while calling back to Platinum's action game history (as the devs like to do).
Ye u get wider open areas at the cost of them looking worse. However the main problem is that they increased the resolution to over 800p instead of 720p making the performance worse than bayo 2. Also the forced Viola and Jeanne sections makes the game feel disjointed and breaks the flow. They should have been optional side missions instead of interfering the with main path. Take notes from Crash 4 how to implement multiple playable characters not from DMC5 (worst multiple character implementation ever made)
Jeanne is actually optional now, though you have to play through the Spy Action missions at least once and it could be more obvious or even unscored. Viola... well yeah, technically she is optional since the game doesn't seem to stop you from choosing missions but it doesn't tell you which mission aligns with which character and we have forced characters for every mission but the bonus ones.
@@dante19890 Fair, I just saying we don't need to do multiple runs containing them at all from what I can tell (I got NSIC on Normal mode and don't know if there are important unlockables tied to them). I'd be down for a cheat code, patch or some other way to make them completely optional.
Isn't that the same problem DMC5 has? Where players did a mod where you could play any chapter with any character you CHOOSE , man i wish we could play as Jeanne again
@@lovelessshoot883 And now we have people using modded Switches to have infinite health (probably ultra easy as many secret missions use this)... I didn't play enough Jeanne or the other characters in prior Bayo games but they seemed a little closer to DMC3 where all playable characters just play the levels. DMC5 half figured it out since Vergil can play all missions but for whatever reason, they didn't feel like making it official for everyone. Presumably due to the cameo system or something.
8:25 funny you say that. I noticed in 3 they obstruct bayos ass with every outfit. I feel Platinum is low-key toning down the sexual stuff with little glimpses here and there just to say they haven't forgotten their fanbase.
@@justinjohnston8923 I dunno why people dig for things to contradict my statement. Dude yes you still see her ass in the game. I'm saying you see less of it. Never said it completely censored. Learn some reading comprehension before hitting that reply button. Her outfits obtruct her ass by default. In the other games it was there smack dap in the middle of the screen. Again key word TONED DOWN. I never said completely censored.
@@Antronix3 Also her dances are really weird, because half of the time it looks like she will do a typical Bayo move and then it suddenly changes to kids friendly tik-tok dancing, like her parents walk in or something. Lady thats doing the dances are clearly different this time around.
A lot of these new changes to Bayonetta you mentioned were present in Astral Chain, which was also made by Platinum. Astral Chain doesn't get too much attention, but it is definitely worth buying even at full price.
I love bayo 1 and 2 and by do I not care about this game. Maybe I need to just play it more but the new kaiju moves make the combat unfun for me and the story isn't as fun for me. Idk I really don't want to pick it up and try to play another level
You could try only incorporating the demons into combos instead of full on summoning them. You know when the screen flashes and there's a sound cue for you to hit ZL, the Demon will show up and land a hit at the end of your combo and vanish. Or just summon them for quick one-two hit bursts then dismiss them quickly. You can really make the mechanic pretty unintrusive. If you love Bayo, i'd say give it a chance.
@@vaporsaver That is not viable as a playstyle in this game. Multiple enemies require sustained use of demons to beat, like the big tower enemy with the forcefield and the freezing enemy. Not much stuns larger enemies besides the bigger demon moves too. In the first game, most tools felt pretty strong because you only need to get to your wicked weaves to stun, send enemies flying, crowd control etc. but here you don't even keep shooting after a lot of weaves with Colour My World, stifling dodge offset opportunities and railroading gameplay into kaiju use. The enemies were designed specifically to be killed by Bayonetta's demons, such that Viola's gameplay suffers when she needs to fight these enemies. Chesire is not as interactive as any of Bayo's demons yet she needs that for these fights. The game was designed specifically to avoid players from playing it the way you just suggested, and the way that I would definitely prefer.
@@twoplus2787 Demon Slave is the new crutch of the series, not even debatable, give you most scores/damage/radius its not optional, many times you'll fail combo/time requirements without it because it add's most points, just by connecting attacks. And on top of that switching them is OP and nothing like balanced style switching system from DMC. You can't stun all enemies without it, you don't have Torture Attacks 2.0, you can't break enemy shields, can't damage 1-st boss main body (only fire) that appears 3 times, and 2 flower-tower enemies.
There's also an accessory that allows you to move freely and keep controlling bayo while the summon acts on its own. So if it's controlling them that's the issue then there's a solution. If their existence is a problem, refund the game.
@@vaporsaver Giving up control over the game's mechanics in a character action game is not a solution. I've used that accessory, but it doesn't solve the problems I have with the game's systems. It's a band aid over the problems in the game that I commend the devs for noticing and implementing, but it is still just a band aid. And I wanted to love this game, saying stuff like "refund the game" is not really the best way to interact with media criticism.
I just started playing the first one last month without having any knowledge of 3's release date. Time to speedrun through all of 2 as fast a humanly possible to get ready for the newest...
Honestly take your time, I dont understand rushing through a game just to get to the newest one. I played 1 on switch multiple times before playing 2 and this was way after 2 was released. The bayo games are fun and I hope you will like them too.
I’m hoping Nerrel plays Astral Chain and makes a video. That’s one of my favorite action games in general, and being from platinum I’m sure it’s scratch a similar itch that bayo does
Alot of the legion mechanics certainly are mimicked in Bayo 3. I love both games, but the end game (after completion) in Astral Chain is absolutely apeshit with a completely hidden boss and enemies.
Leave it to Nerrel to give a proper review of why Bayo 3 is so fucking good without losing his mind over the story. If you ignore the admittedly absurd missteps in storytelling and plot that the game makes (which, let's be honest, if you are playing a Bayonetta game and somehow prioritize the nonsensical stories over the actual combat, then you're probably playing the wrong franchise for your tastes), this is one of the best combat systems ever assembled for a character action game, with some of the most awesome and over-the-top weapons in all of gaming history. Viola's combat feels like it still needed a bit more time in the oven even if it's still perfectly playable and good fun, and some of the action setpieces can get a bit obnoxious on subsequent playthroughs (a problem every Bayonetta game shares, may I add), but where it counts, when it comes to the proper hack-and-slash combat that this series and studio are famous for; Bayonetta 3 is absolutely incredible.
If you ignore the disastrously awful story, you're left with... a game that's shallower and plays worse than Bayonetta 1 (and honestly, maybe even 2). One that looks and runs like complete dogshit; has the most boring art direction and enemy designs in the series; has the worst bosses; has the worst music; and has some of the worst encounter designs.
You know Nerrel, with how much you mention Tingle I gotta wonder, have you played the Tingle DS games? If not then you have to because they're awesome and legitimately 2 of the most interesting and unique games Nintendo has ever published.
I mean, i haven't played 3 but i absolutely adore Cereza, and i think the absolute absurdity that devolves as a pure result of her precision and elegance is genuinely some of the most unique shit a character in any game has ever done and is absolutely iconic. That said... i really don't... hate the idea of Viola "replacing" Cereza? There's still so much development that's possible, and i know people have compared her to Nero in DMC and *still* said she's worse but that's almost completely with the hindsight of DMC5. I don't think i heard a single person *not* speak ill of Nero until 5 came out and people were just happy we had a new game after DMC Devil may cry. That was the kind of situation that had to arise for people to appreciate him. Believe me, as someone who may be equally as much of a klutzy fuckup as Viola, the absurdity that *could* come from her ability to make everything SO MUCH EXCEEDINGLY worse is very very real- of course it does need to be handled with taste or else it risks falling into the trope of "undeserved protagonist who narrowly slips past every single catastrophe that flies their way and has absolutely no control of any situation" but it's VERY possible and i hate how underrecognized that possibility is. Cereza will forever be remembered and absolutely iconic, but she's got a bit of a DMC4 Dante syndrome going on at the moment and i don't think this whole situation deserves it.
I agree, you might find stuff you like about it but there's so much they change that was fundamentally good in 1 and 2 that it's tough to play without wanting to just quit and play the others again. And that's before getting to the downright disrespectfully bad story.
Great example it’s not about doing well it’s about finding out how to exploit that trial or battle especially rodin or witch trials since u die in 2 hits and can’t use items and they try not to let you cheese but ironically u find out a way to cheese just not what they expected. They probably didn’t think some demon summons would be as good as they are or some glitches you can do with them or they wouldn’t be there. Meanwhile in 1 and 2 they did not care about being cheesy it was your choice and they even left known glitches in on purpose cause he said “they are fun” it’s the players choice anyway who cares some people just want to beat things not do it for hours. Took the joy out of me and it’s not get good I hate when people say that cause using a broken summon or glitch is not skill it’s just how do I exploit this what summon is gonna work here and do everything for me while I just dodge?
Yeah. 100% my thoughts exactly here. I might feel stronger on some points but I have the same praises and problems with this one. I find it the worst Bayonetta but still one of the best action games since....well DMC5. Glad I'm not alone on not liking Viola's playstyle, the camera, or obtuse level/challenge conditions either.
Devil May Cry has been making improvements with every new game (except 2) but every time Bayonetta gets a new game they seem to fix one problem and make another. I don't think I've seen a series where all the games are so equally flawed, and which hasn't really grown at all. You can make an argument with which Bayonetta game is the best and I wouldn't disagree at all with your opinion, but I'd call you a crazy person if you thought DMC1 was better than 3 or 5.
Pretty much nails down my thoughts on the game, loved it despite it’s faults and already hooked on replaying it which didn’t happen for me with the first 2. I will say though I think some of the areas are a bit too wide open, where the earlier games level design felt more focused while still having secrets to find. I don’t hate Viola’s character as much as others (though if I have to hear that knockoff Avril Lavigne song 1 more time…) but her gameplay just isn’t fun. I stopped bothering to parry as her witch time is borderline useless unless you’re frame perfect. Bayonetta’s dodging has more variance while with Viola you’re either getting full witch time or lucky to get 1 hit…hated her witch time only challenges.
Good game. 8/10 Hateed Viola and overall it feels less sexual and campy, maybe because the “serious” plot. The new voice is fine but she sounds so odd when she’s screaming and attacking. Also it felt kinda repetitive. Bayonetta 2 remains my fave game from the series.
Great video. Just wondering are you ever going to talk about Bayonetta origins? The game sort of has a metroidvania feel. But I've only played the demo so far.
I think it's the worst game in the series by a long shot. The combat still isn't as deep as Bayonetta 1's. The Demon Slave mechanic has had a catastrophic effect on enemy design, level design, the camera, and the graphics. Viola sucks to play as and isn't endearing at all. The music is boring. The art direction is drab, flavorless shit the whole way through. The story is weirdly overly serious and miserable, on top of being incomprehensible dogshit that seemingly leaves the franchise in the worst state possible. It's the only game in the series that I found so utterly joyless to play that I can't bring myself to 100% it.
I hate the marvel esc approach I absolutely hate games or movies that use cheap shit like multiple universes or timelines in this case a bunch of Bayonettas as an excuse to just do a whole bunch of nonsense. it just becomes nonsense and I don’t I feel invested
I have post game stuff to do that I’m just not going to do because performance is so bad. I don’t understand why everyone is saying “yeah the frame rate dips sometimes but whatever” and giving it a pass. And I don’t think that it being on Switch is a good excuse either. For an action game it is unacceptable.
I like to joke that Nero is what happens if you put Dante in a microwave for about a minute. I guess Viola is what happens when you further microwave Nero. Donte is what happens if you throw Nero into a pot of boiling water and scrape up the sludge that remains.
Ah, this is a good Bayonetta review. Talks about the important parts like combat, polish, mechanics and level design instead of spending 80% of the review bitching about the story as if the story for the first 2 games were masterpieces. Liked and Subscribed.
Nerrel, the important design element you seem to not be understanding re; Viola Is clumsy butch girl says cringe thing and I want to cuddle her every time she acts dumb 😍
