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BC landslide: Chilcotin River dam overflow more likely than sudden burst, officials say 

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According to B.C. officials, the most likely way for water to start getting through the Chilcotin River landslide dam is a gradual overtopping - but plans are being put in place for other scenarios, including a catastrophic breach and flooding.
The situation around the landslide remains dynamic and ongoing, according to Minister of Emergency Management, Bowinn Ma.
She adds if and when the water breaks through the landslide dam, it will take between 12 to 24 hours to reach the community Hope downstream on the Fraser River.
Global's Travis Prasad reports.
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@kennethkunz5554
@kennethkunz5554 2 месяца назад
Well if I was a land owner at the dam area, next season I’d be sampling for alluvial gold deposits in what is left behind. The entire water way of the Fraser and its tributaries are well known for alluvial gold placer deposits. It could very well leave placer gold at surface levels not seen in over 160 years, that’s a lot of ground that is going to be naturally sluiced by nature.
@RustyShakleford1
@RustyShakleford1 2 месяца назад
Exactly I bet you could find 2 semi large mining contractors to mine that dam with dozers and a sluice for free lol!!! Would be gone in a week
@tigrehermano
@tigrehermano 2 месяца назад
More than likely a mine collapsed, there might me minimal traces of gold if any.
@RustyShakleford1
@RustyShakleford1 2 месяца назад
@gatoslokosforever lol no way a placer mine collapsed. ... it would have to have been a huge pit mine for this scale of slidr to happen. This was grounwater soil erosion
@RustyShakleford1
@RustyShakleford1 2 месяца назад
@@tigrehermano all the exposed river bed will be loaded with gold ✨️
@kennethkunz5554
@kennethkunz5554 2 месяца назад
@@RustyShakleford1 Agree
@martymethuselah
@martymethuselah 2 месяца назад
they need a live cam set up on it i hope they are ready...
@KyleStansfeld-zi6gc
@KyleStansfeld-zi6gc 2 месяца назад
I’ve wondered this the whole time. It’s such an interesting Geological event. If I was in charge of the geological department. I’d have a huge amount of cameras, from different angles. Live footage and still shots. I think the imagination of people is gone! We have become boring, as people and reactionary. Scared! That it’s too dangerous. All I can say, is that it’s lucky that it happened in the year, when the water is low, compared to spring runoff.
@arnoldschmidt2753
@arnoldschmidt2753 2 месяца назад
Great reporting however you have not shown a map of the area impacted.
@lostmoose9994
@lostmoose9994 2 месяца назад
Check out Williams Lake FN "Fly Over" from this afternoon. Its a massive problem
@GMoneyMacFresh
@GMoneyMacFresh 2 месяца назад
go to google maps and search for "Big Creek Ecological Reserve" its the entire area to the left of it.
@novajtv
@novajtv 2 месяца назад
Gimme 3 buddies 3 cases of beer and 3 boxes of dynamite and it'll be back to normal by Monday
@DeborahThird-og1uo
@DeborahThird-og1uo 2 месяца назад
👍
@BrianDoherty-e8s
@BrianDoherty-e8s 2 месяца назад
You are hired. Victoria is getting the extensive paperwork and permits organized. Be at the slide site September 18 -- long after Mother Nature has played her hand.
@salmon.enthusiast
@salmon.enthusiast 2 месяца назад
Sounds like a blast
@zzz7zzz9
@zzz7zzz9 2 месяца назад
@@BrianDoherty-e8s september 18th?? Victoria ain't moving that fast.
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
Like everything else, ...totally overhyped!
@jackbelk8527
@jackbelk8527 2 месяца назад
Sixty-five years ago this week the exact same thing happened near Yellowstone. It's called Hebgen Lake. The speed of erosion is controlled by the material that's eroding. It looks to be alluvial soil and rock with timber. It'll be very interesting to watch and not much else to do but watch.
@davidg9927
@davidg9927 2 месяца назад
Nature will take its course
@davidcooke8005
@davidcooke8005 2 месяца назад
I've seen the RU-vid videos of sand erosion models and simulators. The slide is too wide for a catastrophic 'wall of water' style collapse, but once it overtops the erosion will cut a sluice through in a few hours and all that water will be coming out within half a day. It's going to be a heckin' mess. Learning about the megafloods 16,000 years ago I was blown away to learn it all happened in about a week.
@KyleStansfeld-zi6gc
@KyleStansfeld-zi6gc 2 месяца назад
I like what you said. I agree with you entirely. One time I went to a small river where I pan for gold, and I found at high water mark a lot of mud, like more than a foot. I found out locally that there might have been a slide up river. This event will cause a huge mud deposit, all along the river, and maybe into the Fraser. Though it’s a big river, and might just make it all disappear!
@Brîndușa_D
@Brîndușa_D 2 месяца назад
Ok, now i am calm.Ty, youtube scientist.😏
@johnwang9914
@johnwang9914 2 месяца назад
The worst case scenario is terrible but remember this actually happens often and it's only because of our better communications and warnings that we now hear of this in advance. Let's just hope it will be less catastrophic than it could be but we still have to prepare for the worst.
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
Like everything else, ...totally overhyped!
@claubarreira508
@claubarreira508 2 месяца назад
Just geology happening, it is natural.
@MichaelSplatkins
@MichaelSplatkins 2 месяца назад
Natural or not isn't really the concern. Same with climate change. The things that are a danger to us have to be addressed. Period.
@SeriouslyNorthern
@SeriouslyNorthern 2 месяца назад
Exactly, and many would use this as an opportunity to cry that this is the work of that climate hysteria...
@danielepp3113
@danielepp3113 2 месяца назад
Great point. Lol.
@claubarreira508
@claubarreira508 2 месяца назад
@@MichaelSplatkins climate change is natural too. many people need more geology lessons. But you are right. People need to understand it to adapt.
@DarrensTruckzs
@DarrensTruckzs 2 месяца назад
Exactly .. mother nature running her course .. let it be a lesson to those who build in areas that should know better that one day i t could happen.. i mean common sense or what.. let mother nature figure itself out which it will..
@gypsyjustgypsy
@gypsyjustgypsy 2 месяца назад
Overtopping leads to sudden collapse of a non-compacted dam. This is going to be horrific.
@joesutherland225
@joesutherland225 2 месяца назад
Sometimes maybe 20 percent of the timeand given the width of the Dam unlikely.
@shadowsrwolf
@shadowsrwolf 2 месяца назад
i suspect this is not the first time its happened on this river. If you look at sat maps there are many many many old slides
@MrPlusses
@MrPlusses 2 месяца назад
​@@shadowsrwolf The area name Nagwentled in Tsilhqot'in roughly translates to “landslides across the river.” It would seem the native population have known it happens all the time.
@28704joe
@28704joe 2 месяца назад
My guess is upon overtopping the erosion will progress over some time, it won't be a sudden collapse.
@Gavin84w
@Gavin84w 2 месяца назад
@@joesutherland225 it's not a dam, its loose earth that would have high moisture content already in it.....kilometres and kilometres of water backed up will both find a way through it and soak it....the downstream when this lets go will be catastrophic
@richpaydirt
@richpaydirt 2 месяца назад
I’m heading north to meet up with a friend who lives in the region. We’re going to be swinging gold detectors downstream in the riverbed. A once in a lifetime opportunity to find massive amounts of gold!! I just hope the dam holds a few more days
@darrellwebb3412
@darrellwebb3412 2 месяца назад
The river below the slide is restricted access due to mandatory evacuation orders, you won’t get anywhere near the river.
@TheFrogfeeder
@TheFrogfeeder 2 месяца назад
Justin Trudeau will take any gold you find anyways
@dallasmenzies7451
@dallasmenzies7451 2 месяца назад
Would be really cool to see a Timelapse of the water filling to overflowing!
@MikkellTheImmortal
@MikkellTheImmortal 2 месяца назад
The BC and federal government have live cams out there and timelapse. I know that they are there because of my day job. Unfortunately I have not been able to find footage from them. We may have to wait until the issue has passed because releasing information at the wrong time can create issues of its own. But yes we will have a timelapse of the lake filling soon enough.
@syx3s
@syx3s 2 месяца назад
it's creating a massive reservoir many kilometers long and 100' deep. when that thing breaches the top of all that sand it's going to be absolutely insane. the sand will erode far faster than most people realize and all that water has only got one place to go.
@syx3s
@syx3s 2 месяца назад
whoever just commented and deleted it: 30 meters deep, not 30 feet deep. you know that now don't you? and it's getting deeper.
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
Like everything else, ...totally overhyped!
@juzeus9
@juzeus9 2 месяца назад
@@syx3s *yes i deleted it because i saw my error. it's strange to hear people talking in meters.*
@juzeus9
@juzeus9 2 месяца назад
@wyomarine6341 *oh my, someone's a little sensitive. ask any canadian how tall they are*
@juzeus9
@juzeus9 2 месяца назад
@wyomarine6341 *so how tall are you? what's your shoe size? pants size? how long is your ladder? how tall is your ceiling?.. i never said there was anything wrong with metric.*
@bethhillier1294
@bethhillier1294 2 месяца назад
I think they are down-playing what will happen. I'm can't believe the Province of BC is going to 'sit and wait' to see what happens. Unbelievable!
@zzz7zzz9
@zzz7zzz9 2 месяца назад
that's how BC works. by sitting on hands.
@zzz7zzz9
@zzz7zzz9 2 месяца назад
@@Terminal-Thought-Experiment immediately blast the slide to open it back up before letting the river become a massive lake.
@jackiepaper101
@jackiepaper101 2 месяца назад
@@zzz7zzz9 Why do I get the impression you have no idea what you're talking about?
@zzz7zzz9
@zzz7zzz9 2 месяца назад
@@jackiepaper101 explain. are you saying that's not possible?
@midbc1midbc199
@midbc1midbc199 2 месяца назад
Blast it open lol.......i guess people don't realize the scale of dirt There is no way to blast this open using ANFO or RDX because there is no place to blast the dirt to.......this isn't like blasting at a mine The amount of explosives that would be needed to blast a trench probably isn't even available and by the time enough blasting media was obtained or mixed the water will be cresting the top of the dam
@joshuabom64
@joshuabom64 2 месяца назад
i know its bad but wow is it ever beautiful how mother nature works
@Jenyb420
@Jenyb420 2 месяца назад
Why is there no update today???
@user-ju7dx8mu6d
@user-ju7dx8mu6d 2 месяца назад
The stupidity of the remarks about water flowing over the dam is unbelievable. The failure is primarily made of silt and when the river starts to flow over the dam it will erode it away very quickly. This was always the worst case scenario. It was unlikely that water would pipe through or under the dam to any significant degree given the material. If only reporters could be arrested for criminal stupidity.
@MetaView7
@MetaView7 2 месяца назад
@westcoast8562
@westcoast8562 2 месяца назад
Why didn't the military bomb a path for the water to get through?
@g.nicholson7568
@g.nicholson7568 2 месяца назад
Agreed. It will fill until it starts to flow over, but once that starts, it will cut through that soft debris very fast. I really don't think they are making it clear enough to people just how catastrophic this could be. Top of the news hour was the long weekend ferry traffic...seriously? If this goes worse case scenario, there will be flooding in the Frazer valley. They are telling people not to boat on the river... people need to stay the he'll away from it.
@millipedic
@millipedic 2 месяца назад
@@westcoast8562 What military?
@ronwade5646
@ronwade5646 2 месяца назад
You too can go to college and get a journalism degree. 😅
@CanadianTreasureHunter
@CanadianTreasureHunter 2 месяца назад
Lots of trees mixed in that landslide might release water slower than pure dirt
@DWSOutdoors
@DWSOutdoors 2 месяца назад
A good mining company with a good blasting crew could open up a channel on that solid side in about 2-3 days if they really wanted to...
@alkempton1512
@alkempton1512 2 месяца назад
The water will start slowly running over it but because the slide has a compromised structure the water should eat through it quick would be my thoughts so if it was me I would get the hell out the way
@nickmaziarz9296
@nickmaziarz9296 2 месяца назад
comment should be #1
@weaksause6878
@weaksause6878 2 месяца назад
The water will find bedrock in no time
@weaksause6878
@weaksause6878 2 месяца назад
Actually... I guess we'll see
@marcusfossa6695
@marcusfossa6695 2 месяца назад
Yeah this is exactly what ended up happening, bravo.
@stillwater62
@stillwater62 2 месяца назад
I hate hearing Government talk. Normal people do not talk like that. "We have flood control "assets" and are incorporating other "assets" blah, blah, blah. It is called Government Speak and only the real idiots talk like that.
@MJ-zo5gb
@MJ-zo5gb 2 месяца назад
Judging by the size of the slide, it could be a week or more before tops. Of course, it’s just an opinion of some random RU-vid watcher.😗
@Chip-Formula
@Chip-Formula 2 месяца назад
"Even though it's random it is a benchmark so 1 week it is then we'll go from there"...local officials said.
@reinc83
@reinc83 2 месяца назад
What’s the estimate on how long it will take to be topped?
@westcoast8562
@westcoast8562 2 месяца назад
Mother Nature in control of this.
@kingkingg7868
@kingkingg7868 2 месяца назад
How the heck do we not have live stream feeds of this yet!?! Not only to watch, but this would be cool af to time-lapse as it carves a new path.
@TheRogueRockhound
@TheRogueRockhound 2 месяца назад
That slide prolly exposed tons of awesome rocks
@logut80
@logut80 2 месяца назад
It's not going to push that much land out of the way. It'll back up until it finds a low spot then trickle over. The speed it runs over & cuts through the new spot will depend on upstream rain
@travismillhouse8936
@travismillhouse8936 2 месяца назад
Get the military engineering department to blow a path through this , controlled
@JakeLewis-gl9sw
@JakeLewis-gl9sw 2 месяца назад
you have to go there and risk your life first...
@kjj26k
@kjj26k 2 месяца назад
​@@JakeLewis-gl9sw Not anymore, drones!
@michaelfodor6280
@michaelfodor6280 2 месяца назад
@@kjj26k Haven't seen a drone D9 Caterpillar bulldozer. Have you?
@westcoast8562
@westcoast8562 2 месяца назад
I wonder what the models say now?!
@alkempton1512
@alkempton1512 2 месяца назад
Would you chance it?
@jimthompson717
@jimthompson717 2 месяца назад
Overtopping, while preferable to burst, will result in a flow many times greater than the normal river flow. It's still catastrophic. The entire slide will continue to erode for years. Any new channel through the slide will be unstable, with minor slides continuing to block and erode. There are not millions of liters behind the current dam. There are millions of cubic meters.
@juzeus9
@juzeus9 2 месяца назад
*Overtopping leads to the burst. but it's 500 meters long, and the reservoir is not huge, so i think it's not going to be 'catastrophic'.*
@patrickcowan8701
@patrickcowan8701 2 месяца назад
Be fearful. Mother nature is amazing.
@janicejackson2016
@janicejackson2016 2 месяца назад
Yeah it's quiet but in a nanosecond you can have a 200 ft wall water coming at you and it moves very quickly you can't run that fast
@S.Clause
@S.Clause 2 месяца назад
Hopefully this clears uneventfully
@Sailor376also
@Sailor376also 2 месяца назад
After watching some helicopter views,, I don't think it will be 12 to 24 hours,, I think we are talking weeks for enough water to stack up behind the new dam. Some of the farmland upstream is going to be part of the new lake/reservoir.
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
Like everything else, ...totally overhyped!
@Aitch-102
@Aitch-102 2 месяца назад
I disagree, none of that material is compacted, once water starts to flow it will erode VERY quickly.
@newname2600
@newname2600 2 месяца назад
You do know water creates compaction?
@PatG-xd8qn
@PatG-xd8qn 2 месяца назад
​​@@newname2600 RU-vid armchair experts never know what they are talking about. I don't think he can answer your question 😂
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
I think the river isn't at a high flow rate right now so the overspill probably won't be catastrophic
@lifegettingintheway2710
@lifegettingintheway2710 2 месяца назад
@@newname2600 It also creates dissolution. It is unconsolidated sand, and there is floating debris from overlogging and fires. It can't be known what will actually happen but they are intelligently planning for any eventuality. The hospital at Lillooet has been vacated, for example.
@newname2600
@newname2600 2 месяца назад
@@lifegettingintheway2710 I was responding to the statement, “none of that material is compacted”, but thanks.
@barontaylor7139
@barontaylor7139 2 месяца назад
Why didn't they start cleaning this up right after it happened?
@westcoast8562
@westcoast8562 2 месяца назад
Now It is far more likely the wall water will move at much faster speeds than anticipated by the pundits
@Get_to_the_Point
@Get_to_the_Point 2 месяца назад
It seems possible that it may not be a catastrophic failure (though likely). There are a lot of trees that may help to stabilize the newly eroded channel, that may help to slow down erosion of the slide and subsequent release of water.
@joesutherland225
@joesutherland225 2 месяца назад
Couldnt get much worse timing for salmon as its peak time for some critical runs in that river.
@sparky1348
@sparky1348 2 месяца назад
Why doesn't anyone have a live stream cam on this?
@tommyhunter1817
@tommyhunter1817 2 месяца назад
It is too wide to have a catastrophic flood for YEARS.
@DeborahThird-og1uo
@DeborahThird-og1uo 2 месяца назад
I’m hoping NatGeo is collecting artifacts downstream as fast as possible.
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
Do you mean Mastadon tusks and the like? Because BC stone tools aren't worth risking your life over.
@TheFrogfeeder
@TheFrogfeeder 2 месяца назад
@@darkkingastos4369wow, you know everything about everything, I see you on everybodies comments, telling em
@dwilson2548
@dwilson2548 2 месяца назад
Wild with the riverbed exposed it's a great time to get in there and see if you can get some gold real quick like.
@sluggou812beotch
@sluggou812beotch 2 месяца назад
I remember when Lake Bonneville let loose. It was exactly the same scenario but on a much grander scale. A little trickle at first but then the loose substrate gives way and water takes the path of least resistance taking the earthen dam with it. The Corps of engineers should have 25 D11 cats out there digging a relief trench.
@danielepp3113
@danielepp3113 2 месяца назад
I wouldn't be working anywhere near there.
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
too dangerous this isn't a man made dam. It's all mashed up with trees in it and isn't level anywhere. It would take weeks just to get that equipment out there and build roads into the valley. Not to mention the ridgeline isn't safe either so the crews could be on a hillside that turned into another landslide while they were on them
@brookie1288
@brookie1288 2 месяца назад
Waite a minute, you remember when Lake Bonneville "let loose", I mean, How old are you?
@sluggou812beotch
@sluggou812beotch 2 месяца назад
@@brookie1288 BWAHAHAHAHA!
@TheFrogfeeder
@TheFrogfeeder 2 месяца назад
@@darkkingastos4369dude there’s a friggen golf course just upstream of the slide… how many weeks??
@dainpanton4002
@dainpanton4002 2 месяца назад
this is going to be way worse than anyone can imagine
@millipedic
@millipedic 2 месяца назад
Major ecological catastrophe
@zzz7zzz9
@zzz7zzz9 2 месяца назад
just what the governments prefer.
@zzz7zzz9
@zzz7zzz9 2 месяца назад
@@drbamboo9870 the chilcotin has many curves to it. Those will slow it down, but unfortunately also receive the most damage. Then it t-bones into the fraser at a 90 degree, and that will again slow it down. Then down the fraser a ways, is a double hairpin, that will impact it. And everything depends on if it is a sudden, huge release or a slower, gradual release.
@fishmonger6879
@fishmonger6879 2 месяца назад
Well no reason to hype it up like that, no one knows how it will go.
@Gavin84w
@Gavin84w 2 месяца назад
@@fishmonger6879 common sense what is going to happen
@Lfs1891
@Lfs1891 2 месяца назад
Id be more worried where the chilcotin exits onto the fraser . The east side is just waiting to slide. If this lets go, runs up the other side, it could cause the fraser to be dambed up. Have another hope slide.
@cvf628
@cvf628 2 месяца назад
The Canadian Air Force could clear that earth damn before it became critical. That would give the residents a time of when the damn would be breached as well as where it would be breached for minimal downstream damage.
@MikkellTheImmortal
@MikkellTheImmortal 2 месяца назад
Let's not forget that the First Nations people have been living through dozens of these slides as evidenced by the large numbers of slide scarps visible, and the oral history tells us of many landslides and how the people of the past dealt with them.
@zzz7zzz9
@zzz7zzz9 2 месяца назад
why would they then continue to build downstream? there's a reserve down the fraser, and it's right on 2 hairpin corners in a row. THAT'S going to be a devastated spot when this breaks.
@Hoonbernator1590
@Hoonbernator1590 2 месяца назад
Survivor bias. The First Nations people that remain living now are the ancestors of the ones that didn't get killed by the wash out once the dam collapses. For all we know it may have killed thousands of them last time.
@MikkellTheImmortal
@MikkellTheImmortal 2 месяца назад
@@zzz7zzz9 you can make your own answer to that one
@zzz7zzz9
@zzz7zzz9 2 месяца назад
@@MikkellTheImmortal but i was asking you. you made a statement that they knew best, based off past experiences. so they should be fine then, no?
@kjj26k
@kjj26k 2 месяца назад
​@@zzz7zzz9 People survive these things by not being there when they happen.
@Denpachii
@Denpachii 2 месяца назад
Back when I was a little kid I used to play in the nearby stream making dirt dams that would hold 20-30 gallons of water.. (it was a very small seasonal stream) I packed it by stepping on it and when it topped it washed out pretty quick. This, if it reacts the same way, is going to be a fast mess. I hope there is enough hard material from self compaction and rock to slow the release somewhat.
@SotR59
@SotR59 2 месяца назад
In actual pictures the slide is much bigger than it looked in a graphic. The river doesn't look big enough to push that much dirt any time soon. Would hate to be in the path.
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
Like everything else, ...totally overhyped!
@Ros-co
@Ros-co 2 месяца назад
You think this is bad... the Site C Dam is almost complete and there's no way this dam is safe. It's earth filled and they know of the problem that they will encounter in the future. It's going to be devastating 😢
@Dukes-g2c
@Dukes-g2c 2 месяца назад
Who opened the dam😂😂😂😂
@benl6328
@benl6328 2 месяца назад
After reading all the comments about gold... You realize people might die or lose everything they have right? Talk about messed up thinking.
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
Its gonna be at least a week or two before anything happens. Like everything else, ...totally overhyped!
@ybsmike6512
@ybsmike6512 2 месяца назад
I watched what they did in Greenland with the heavy equipment, so I thought that it may have made sense to use similar equipment or even blast out a drain when this 1st happened. Im obviously not alone in my opinion, but waiting just didnt seem to make sense to me. Now they get to watch and see how much gets destroyed as it lets loose.
@ReginaRedding
@ReginaRedding 2 месяца назад
All that water is going to go around, over, or through that debris.😮🙏
@mnmike6884
@mnmike6884 2 месяца назад
Just cause a breech now before the water level and volume increase to dangerous amounts!
@blueabattoir
@blueabattoir 2 месяца назад
It’s already at dangerous amounts.
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
@@blueabattoir Nope, if they statred digging a trench from the down stream side, right over top of where the river bed is, and left a final section that they could explode to finish the trench, it would simply start trickling and then open up and clearance ou,t pretty much the same path as it was and eventually back to normal. But they wont. Theyll let the pressure rise for the worst outcome. Which will still be fine anyway. Like everything else, ...totally overhyped!
@larryscott3982
@larryscott3982 2 месяца назад
Over topping is only about 5 min different than a ‘burst’
@IBRAKEFORBEDROCK
@IBRAKEFORBEDROCK 2 месяца назад
It wont be as dramatic as some speculate
@MetaView7
@MetaView7 2 месяца назад
I agree.
@danielepp3113
@danielepp3113 2 месяца назад
Interesting. Why do You think that?
@IBRAKEFORBEDROCK
@IBRAKEFORBEDROCK 2 месяца назад
@@danielepp3113 It really could go either way. The soil is really loose, but it will still take time to erode once the water crests the top. Should make for great video
@jasminelindros8923
@jasminelindros8923 2 месяца назад
@@danielepp3113 People who look at trees "growing" in the ground assume that ground is solid, and so will give way slowly. In fact, the disturbed slide mass, riddled with fractures, is now being pervasively saturated by the growing lake it impounded, and those saturated fractures are being subject to an ever-increasing hydrostatic load from the rising lake. If the hydrostatic pressure gets high enough, the bottom of the eastern third of the landslide could liquefy and start flowing downcanyon. This would remove support from the center of the slide, which would fail eastward into the just-created hole, and the head of the failure would migrate west. Eventually, that headscarp will reach the lake. The initial liquefaction and failure could take as little as 20 minutes, and the lake could start eroding the new scarp in less than two hours.
@danielepp3113
@danielepp3113 2 месяца назад
@@jasminelindros8923 Wow. All that debris will surely cover a large area. Things are going to look crazy.
@ronwade5646
@ronwade5646 2 месяца назад
Look at all the structural engineers and hydrologists in here!
@AndreInThe416
@AndreInThe416 2 месяца назад
Similar events have happened before.
@ybsmike6512
@ybsmike6512 2 месяца назад
Cant they take a big excavator and use it now to at least let it start draining asap? I would have thought to do that the first day, so that it didn't grow so high over time now. I realize it will wash away the trench, but the sooner they get it draining, the less water overall that will force its way through. Am I missing something here?
@ybsmike6512
@ybsmike6512 2 месяца назад
@wyomarine6341 Sure, I would gladly drive it, and yes, I have experience. If you stay above the water level, outside of the water boundary, you can safely dig it from the outside and make a canal to allow it to drain. As it drains to the newly dug level, you can then begin to go lower and lower. I know it's possible, I'm just surprised it hasn't been done already. An overhead crane on cables might be a better way to do it although it would take longer to setup.
@IanCthrwd
@IanCthrwd 2 месяца назад
Let nature take its course. It may be a slow event but you have enough time to prepare for the worst, get out of the way when the time happens and might have to close the slide area from the fractures around it after the flood subsides. Nature Always Wins.
@westcoast8562
@westcoast8562 2 месяца назад
Why didn't the military bomb the land slide until the water could flow?
@barsandrunning
@barsandrunning 2 месяца назад
What military lol 😆
@JoanMurray-j5y
@JoanMurray-j5y 2 месяца назад
Who are the mitary? Did B.C. request aid to the civil power? Grow and learn about the Feds vs the provinces. Bright ignoramuses should run for election. GOOD LUCK
@alhumphreys5784
@alhumphreys5784 2 месяца назад
Jets could be there in less than an hour if requested.
@markforseille7539
@markforseille7539 2 месяца назад
I'd like to see the Canadain Army Engineers find a quick solution. The more water that backs up, the more potential damage this could case once the water starts to flow again.
@barsandrunning
@barsandrunning 2 месяца назад
@@alhumphreys5784 yeah jets that we have been waiting for years time we get them will be expired drones would do trick bombs like avalanche would be sweet .. pipeline dream
@jody-ne7xs
@jody-ne7xs 2 месяца назад
The band should be responsibke for all effected for having such terrible land managment problems
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
You can't stop or reasonably predict where entire hills are going to give way. The resources involved are overwhelming. Humans have finite influence over mother nature
@deanweightman6692
@deanweightman6692 2 месяца назад
go get the gold asap
@xmj6830
@xmj6830 2 месяца назад
I was thinking of Dan Hurd and the opportunity to get gold from the Frazer river, but knowing how prudent he is, he would not risk his life for the precious metal, nor do anyone else.
@DavidTa2
@DavidTa2 2 месяца назад
You first 😅
@westcoast8562
@westcoast8562 2 месяца назад
@@deanweightman6692 that is a great idea. Could find a fortune rolling boulders in the dry River bed . Get in their
@JoanMurray-j5y
@JoanMurray-j5y 2 месяца назад
​@xmj6830 HE couldn't find it because you can't spell FRASER--- it's Scots you know. NOT A DUMB US TV SHOW.
@onedisasterattatime9116
@onedisasterattatime9116 2 месяца назад
dont worry the BC Gov will take care of it. .......
@rosspayne2235
@rosspayne2235 2 месяца назад
If i was down stream after the water stopped i would have got as many 5 gallon buckets of mud as i could its probably loaded with gold 😊
@TheFrogfeeder
@TheFrogfeeder 2 месяца назад
No you wouldn’t have… you’d still be on your couch acting like you would
@pnvidusa
@pnvidusa 2 месяца назад
The forest burned down, the trees absorbed the moisture and there was a landslide.
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
That land is very unsbable and proably would have slid sooner than later anyway
@user-ii3vn8tn3q
@user-ii3vn8tn3q 2 месяца назад
Amazing
@MW-dh1ez
@MW-dh1ez 2 месяца назад
Why are they not laying large pipes to funnel at least some of the water? the sooner they do something the less water will be stored.
@blueabattoir
@blueabattoir 2 месяца назад
That would be like draining an Olympic sized pool with a tiny straw.
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
if they statred digging a trench from the down stream side, right over top of where the river bed is, and left a final section that they could explode to finish the trench, it would simply start trickling and then open up and clearance ou,t pretty much the same path as it was and eventually back to normal. But they wont. Theyll let the pressure rise for the worst outcome. Which will still be fine anyway. Like everything else, ...totally overhyped!
@marcusfossa6695
@marcusfossa6695 2 месяца назад
This did not age very well.
@danielm4436
@danielm4436 2 месяца назад
I know rushing water is dangerous but there are crews out there that can at least start digging....the more that water fills up, the more destruction potential it has when it releases. Better to get it over with sooner by releasing what's there. 11 kilometers of backed up water is insane to leave.
@dsab381
@dsab381 2 месяца назад
There's 36,000 truck loads of debris. There's not enough time. It's also too dangerous.
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
Did you see the size of that slide? It would take crews a year to dig a trench through that tree filled wasteland
@danielm4436
@danielm4436 2 месяца назад
@@darkkingastos4369 What i'm saying is they could dig at least a few feet down. GIven the size of the reservoir, that's a lot less water that would be stored. I'm thinking of the potential energy all that water has that could be lessened. I'm not proposing they dig all the way down to the river bed. I know it's not possible.
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
@@danielm4436 They would have to make a whole new road just to get heavy equipment to the slide then dig a road down into the valley and the slide is loose sand and mangled trees. That would take weeks. it's too dangerous to risk multiple people's lives in order to save property
@Infernodivers
@Infernodivers 2 месяца назад
The gold man the gold
@Thisisnolongerajoke
@Thisisnolongerajoke 2 месяца назад
Dan Hurd approves this message. 😅
@andreasnewitsch59
@andreasnewitsch59 2 месяца назад
Maybe the lake will stay
@bfpdude001
@bfpdude001 2 месяца назад
May become a new lake
@stephenschulte8569
@stephenschulte8569 2 месяца назад
This happened in 1968 also. It will be interesting when it erodes and flows to the ocean
@lakeshore2698
@lakeshore2698 2 месяца назад
My prediction.. That mountain aint moving, it's going to form a big lake, with a waterfalls forming over top of it to connect it back. But the lake will remain. One day it might slowly break open but so unpredictable area will be unsafe. Lets see
@zaffazad4040
@zaffazad4040 2 месяца назад
What is stopping geologists to blast the landslide to make way for the accumulating water? Is the government waiting for a disaster downstream from Hope to Richmond to happen? It's appalling to see the way engineering services of Environment BC operate.
@dsab381
@dsab381 2 месяца назад
They can can't blast it lol. Where would all the blasted dirt go? There's the equivalent of 36,000 truck loads worth.
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
@@dsab381 more like 360,000
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
They'd have to blast a trench 600 meters longx10 meters deepx 7 meters wide all by hand considering you can't get heavy equipment down into the valley and onto the slide.
@Rimas5967
@Rimas5967 2 месяца назад
Obviously, this ain’t yer kinda work.
@dsab381
@dsab381 2 месяца назад
@@darkkingastos4369 You're right. There's maybe 9 million cubic square meters, while a dump truck only carries about 14. That would make it over 360, 000 dump trucks worth even. Amazing.
@SMunro
@SMunro 2 месяца назад
Option C: build a split river weir.
@plutoniusis
@plutoniusis 2 месяца назад
All that amount of the water build up will go with great force once the small path trough landslide is created, we can only hope that stone debris of the landslide will slow down impact of sudden flow. Good luck to everyone may be effected!
@williamogilvie6909
@williamogilvie6909 2 месяца назад
BC Government press releases on this suck. The last one I looked at had 5 minutes of blue screen at the start and compressed audio that was very unpleasant. Besides all that the spokesperson said virtually nothing. So, while everyone is sitting on their hands the reservoir gets bigger. This will reshape the Chilcotin and Fraser river. This is a repeat of the obnoxious BC Government video, but without the blue screen. I guess for now no news is good news.
@emperordunord5594
@emperordunord5594 2 месяца назад
Black canyon thompson river
@UBERBENZ
@UBERBENZ 2 месяца назад
Im leaving alberta to go dig sand. The mass isnt going to catastrophicly fail.
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
Of course not. Like everything else, ...totally overhyped! The media are masters of fearmongering. Remember the Oroville Dam? You'd have thought the world was ending.
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
Like everything else, ...totally overhyped!
@theobserver6639
@theobserver6639 2 месяца назад
Ther won't be sudden release of power the only way th at happ3ns if the dam was intended to release pressure the water will reach the top of the dam and find the most resistant way over the top slowly eroding the dam
@streamofconsciousness5826
@streamofconsciousness5826 2 месяца назад
Calling it a dam is antisensationalism, this is a Valley filled in 1/2km, A dam sounds like something 30 feet thick or made of wood by beavers. You can't dig, or bomb (as suggested below) a channel in this. We still have one Flying Lancaster for sure right.
@Suly271
@Suly271 2 месяца назад
You are wrong
@angelobkoljenovic9528
@angelobkoljenovic9528 2 месяца назад
Come on the national dam stays
@theobserver6639
@theobserver6639 2 месяца назад
Why doesn't the goverment fix the problem if you foor is dirty do you clean it
@clydezeller6662
@clydezeller6662 2 месяца назад
Praying and beating drums doesn't top geology.
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
But it does get the community together to help talk through their problems. Humans evolved to form religions for a reason and if it wasn't beneficial we would never have evolved to create it.
@koosvanpetten5567
@koosvanpetten5567 2 месяца назад
If your goverment is doing nothing, a lot of inhabitants will pay the price, doing nothing is sooooo stupid.
@raysteel6317
@raysteel6317 2 месяца назад
Isn't the carbon tax suppose to prevent this?
@JoanMurray-j5y
@JoanMurray-j5y 2 месяца назад
Supposed. Is English your 1rst language? Go read a primer!
@robertgough161
@robertgough161 2 месяца назад
that area was already unstable before the industrial revolution
@duncantorrance1976
@duncantorrance1976 2 месяца назад
@@robertgough161 There are three older and bigger slides at the same location.
@raysteel6317
@raysteel6317 2 месяца назад
@@JoanMurray-j5y Im not as think as you dumb I am, and that was very racist and hurtful. I hope understand now, WORDS HURT!
@raysteel6317
@raysteel6317 2 месяца назад
@@robertgough161 Ahhhh ok, so the carbon tax came in much to late to have any effect here. Makes sense, thanks you.
@jasoncroasdell8212
@jasoncroasdell8212 2 месяца назад
Get buldozers working on the dam so that the situation doesnt become so bad. Or get workers on the dry riverbed removing scrap metal or other waste so that the river is clean when the water does come back. This is an oppotunity. If there is a section of now dry river bed that was very dangerous for boats now is the time to fix it?
@ownedurfase
@ownedurfase 2 месяца назад
Where’s Noah? We need a bigger boat when this breaks 😳
@williammurray1341
@williammurray1341 2 месяца назад
As a middle-aged white straight male I'm sure that I will be blamed for this disaster.
@sometea4741
@sometea4741 2 месяца назад
Use TnT and get that river back open.
@darkkingastos4369
@darkkingastos4369 2 месяца назад
How is AC/DC gonna solve this problem?
@kidwave1
@kidwave1 2 месяца назад
EXACTLY! if they started digging a trench from the down stream side, right over top of where the river bed is, and left a final section that they could explode to finish the trench, it would simply start trickling and then open up and clearance ou,t pretty much the same path as it was and eventually back to normal. But they wont. Theyll let the pressure rise for the worst outcome. Which will still be fine anyway. Like everything else, ...totally overhyped!
@mvl9591
@mvl9591 2 месяца назад
Dan Hurd prospecting!
@DeRikBE
@DeRikBE 2 месяца назад
I m far from an expert in this, to me there is a way to slice the landslide with water, take some fireplanes to fly over it and onload the water to create a slice, the sooner the better i guess? grt and stay strong
@supercompooper
@supercompooper 2 месяца назад
When will they start blaming Trudeau?
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