Timecircle Blue the beast wars transformers were human sized for the future of cybertronians Because energon was forever lost and used up so they made the maximal sand predicons to be more power efficient
Terry R. No, because prehistoric earth has too much energon and the radiation would then overload them. It was when the aliens blew most of the energon they didn't have convert back to their beast modes.
This scene still gives me goosebumps. Younger fans don't realise, but the Transformers franchise was basically dead until Beast Wars came along, and most of us thought it was gone for good. And then Beast Wars came along, got us all excited by reusing words like "Megatron," dropped us a few hints that it was a sequel, and then just delivered this massive bombshell.
I thought nothing could top Beast Wars until I had seen Transformers: Prime. That show sets a whole new standard of complex plot lines and awesome animation.
@@Wreckedftfoxy Blackarachnia, a Predacon then, had other plans, and thus ruined Megatron's whims by doing a backstab, which lead to Optimus Primal forcing himself to transfer Prime's Spark to him whilst he was being repaired by the Ark's medical systems.
Solidvanz cool idea what if when the paradox happened it went to the paradoxical future with alternate events on earth essentially rebooting the G1 Franchise
@@lordtachanka85 This actually did happen, somewhat. There's a spin-off comic series showing what the future would have looked like if Megatron's plan had worked.
Beast Wars in general did affect the Japanese G1 timeline somewhat. In one comic, G1 Megatron gained a black, Transmetal body as a result of Beast Wars Megatron taking the former’s spark
I remember watching this when I was younger and being FLOORED. I was a huge fan of G1, and until this point the connections between G1 and Beast Wars were tenuous at best. This arc, and this moment, completely blew the doors off of it. This made Beast Wars go from a mere follow up to a full blown sequel.
Man this was the absolute high point of the series, the only other moment that even comes close is Dinobot's death. Easily one of the greatest moments of my childhood.
Megatron is a dumbass, when you think about it, without Optimus prime and the matrix of leadership, there's no way to beat Unicron. Megatron effectively destroys Cybertron by definition bc Unicron had every single intention of destroying Primus
@@axelgear666 that's what i said Cause at 1st i said "thats not a bad idea for Megatron" untill about a 2 years later i relized without prime Their would be no Matrix And with out a matrix hot rod wouldn't have became rodimus and killed unicron and without killing unicron he would destroy cybertron leading to him Maximals and predacons ever existing
@omaga gamer dude Unicron was going to attack Primus no matter what, it was a matter of when not if, and besides you can't kill unicrons essence in it's entirety, he exists in all planes at the same time and the matrix's purpose was to severely stunt him is all. That's it. Yes killing Optimus prime was essential bc he was the current holder of the matrix of leadership.And with him sleeping in stasis mode,and entirely vulnerable, who was he going to hand it over to if he had died? (This is prehistoric earth stupid) The beastwars show is also full of continuity errors , such as the matrix being primes spark, which is pure bs and is really writing issues but the show went along with that and overtime it became a non confirmed accepted truth amongst the fans that primes spark was the matrix. (It really isnt) . Let's just assume for fucks sake it is, the problem is who down along the line will receive the matrix? With prime dead there's nobody else to take down a fully powered Unicron. Assuming the writers create some sort of bs and that the "all spark" can recreate from scratch a new matrix of leadership then yes I'd agree with you but now your getting into speculation territory. Why not ask the creators and writers of beastwars if your that vested into this argument. Your argument doesn't stand There's is one possibility, bc Optimal optimus mingled his spark with Prime's he may have downloaded the matrix of leadership into his spark. But with prime dead it would mean he'd have to stay behind prehistoric earth to ensure he can pass the blueprints back to prime when they awaken. I hope you understand about time paradoxes and how important it is not to tamper with time
Megatron didn't think this through. By destroying Optimus, he destroyed the Matrix of Leadership. And what happened in 2005? Unicron would have nothing to fear and goodbye Cybertron and ALL Transformers, including the ancestors of Predacons and Maximals.
Hung Nguyen Megatron: Duely noted, and ignored. If the Decepticons can rule Cybertron until Unicrons arrival, destroying the Matrix is a small price to pay.
Stephen Byrne Again, think about it. If the Decepticons are destroyed with the arrival of Unicron, then NO PREDACON DESCENDANTS, including Megatron. Which means he doesn't go back in time to kill Optimus Prime. What we have is an example of why you can't change history.
CRocketSlim Yeah, I know that episode, which again, shows why history cannot be changed. No matter what Starscream did, it did not alter the timestream. If you remember back to when Megatron tried to kill the Proto-humans, the events actually inspired them to create tools and weapons, thereby jumpstart in their evolution to humans. There's an example of predestined time paradox. If you really want to change history, you have to be meticulous and consider all factors. Otherwise you'll either cause no change IN YOUR TIMELINE, or create a separate timeline parallel to yours. That's where the idea of parallel world's comes from.
David Kay as megatron was just brilliant, he had over the top lines at times, but still sounded cool. At times, he could react ridiculous, but still keep a demeanor of control and intimidation.
That's the interesting thing. A lot of the direction was shakespearian, so it helped the actors and actresses work with some of the more over the top lines
I'd like to assume that the OG Trilogy consisted of G1, Beast Wars, and Beast Machines. This is one of the only trilogies that actually ended up being complete.
I remember watching this as a kid and the moment I seen those iconic smoke stacks on that ledt arm, I immediately stood on my feet, "OMG, Optimus Prime!" I was so happy!
@@blanktitle198 The entire series is about time travel. The whole show takes place approximately 4 million years before the start of the G1 cartoon with Megatron's primary goal being to rewrite history so that the Autobots lose the Great War instead of the Decepticons.
(Prime wakes up, grabs his attacker before he can charge up) Optimus Prime: You tried to attack and kill me while I was asleep and helpless. Therefore---whatever you look like - you must be Megatron. Megatron-BW: Uh...nooooooo.
And to think most of the Beast Wars dev team weren't even familiar with the G1 continuity in the beginning... must say, they succeeded where the makers of the likes of Beast Machines, Dragon Ball: Evolution, and ReBoot: The Guardian Code have embarrassingly failed. And I must say, 4:55 still gives me chills, considering he's also talking basically to *us, the human audience.*
Beast Wars was my introduction to Transformers, so naturally I had to go back and watch the G1 series. I get a kick she mentions "Start the Great War." When the war had been going on for 9 Million years.
@@VictorPerez-hg2ed There's no confirmation, only speculation: it's believed that, along with Huffer, he was one of the Autobots on the moonbases that were consumed, and thrown into the tarpits just as Daniel arrived. No confirmation since the character model only looks similar, not identical, the voices don't exactly match, and he's never seen again.
I grew up loving Transformers, so when this was on it was the greatest thing ever...and this moment definitely was a big part of it. Getting to see Sound Wave, Star Scream and G1 (gun) Megatron was just so awesome! Back in the day continuity/connections to other 'worlds' was almost unheard of...as a result little things like this were way more exciting! The 90's were the shit to grow up in!
Imagine if the show was cancelled at this episode as almost happened? Not only would it have left beast wars on a cliffhanger but essentially all of G1
the audacity. the arrogance. the presumption. the insanity. there is no guarantee that killing Prime would guarantee Decepticon primacy; another hero could have stepped up or the Decepticons could fall to internal treachery. even so Megatron rolled those dice because a conqueror is one who dares all. gotta love a good villain.
Funny enough, apparently, one of the Beast Wars games had an alternate ending that pointed out the flaw in the Megatrons' plan. By destroying Optimus Prime, the Matrix of Leadership also got destroyed, which in turn allowed Unicron to destroy Cybertron. The Transformer wiki has more info.
Jaye3rd89 the reason why predicons and maximals are tiny compared to the original g1 transformers is because, in the future after the Great War with the Decepticons and Autobots, the transformers on Cybertron had Energon problems which they were really low supply of Energon on Cybertron, so the transformers built smaller bodies so they can consume Energon and save energy, and not waste it on bigger bodies.
Not necessarily. There's a spin-off comic series called Beast Wars: Uprising that shows what the future would look like had Megatron's plan succeeded in rewriting history. Unicron was fought off by the combined efforts of the Autobots and the Decepticons, similar to how he was in the Movie, though the specifics are very vague.
OG megatron fires a fairly weak shot striking predacon megatron and nearly destroying him. “ NOBODY KILLS PRIME BUT ME!!!!!!!!!” He groans out before his computer re engages his stasis lock. Optimus primal looks at OG megatron, then the smoking wreck of his future descendant. Bet you didn’t see that one coming ey megatron? Predacon megatron’s eyes go out
When I was a child, I refused to acknowledge Beast Wars as actually being Transformers. I mean it was too much of a drastic change that the main hero was now a Gorilla and not a truck and the rest of the cast are bunch of animals instead of vehicles and planes. Also since there was no real trace at the beginning that this show is connected to the G1 timeline. After seeing this scene, my whole perspective of the show completely changed.
What gets me is if his plan came to fruition Unicron would have conquered or outright destroyed the Decepticon Empire and Cybertron without a matrix bearer to stop him. I guess a case could be made about the Golden disk not having any information post 1984 and the Maximal Imperium having censored the history of the great war from the Predacons as part of the Pax Cybertronia but ultimately Megatron's plan to just snuff out Prime and alter the timeline seems like it would carry more risk than tangible results. I'm not very well versed in theoretical physics or how time travel works but if Megatron 2 succeeded in making it so the Decepticons win well then he would have no real reason to steal the Golden disc in the first place and would never have altered the timeline I guess to put it simply he would theoretically be cancelling his own plans out via temporal paradox or just ripping apart the fabric of reality and killing himself retroactively as seen here.
The Agenda 3part series is written like it’s the series finale, they did not know if it was renewed for a season 3. They were closing all loose ends. I was absolutely floored when I saw this and later realized it was the season finale.
I bet BW Megs hates that he and every other present day cybertronian is “human sized” when their G1 predecessors were giants. Kinda makes sense why he stole Primal’s Optimal Body in Beast Machines. Heck the whole reason he went Dragon Megatron was because of jealousy that Primal got his Optimal upgrade which for him was unintentionally in the first place , he was just safe guarding Prime’s spark.
Am i ,the only one who wonders how would the g1 characters would like in a show with that kind of animation? Because , i would definetly watch it. Does anyone else would like that idea?
I'm suprised that this stuff was incorperated into the 2009-2014 and 2014-2016 stories known as the Wings Universe and Beast Wars: Uprising. And Optimus Prime and Megatron don't know about what happened.
The way Megatron delivers his speech before he unleashed his canon blast is somehow similar to Jules before he kills Brett in Pulp fiction... Also, Soundwave sleep like Crash Bandicoot.
As all who knows history, he, to ensure a definitive victory for Decepticon kind, he must have destroyed that double face of Starscream too, after all, he was the responsible Teletraan-1 had taken Optimus and repair him in first place.
@@501sttrooperbmc2 Yes, but when the Decepticons were repaired, Megatron wanted the ark blown up. Starscream did the complete opposite by shooting half of the cliff above the ark, which made Optimus Prime's body jolt into Teletran-1's scanner.
mainframe doing a 'reboot'? har har. (lol) Mainframe doing a movie, or a 'season 5' could be cool, then again getting Toei animation back would rule as well.
ah yes, the reboot reboot that needs rebooting. you would think Mainframe would want to make an actual conclusion to reboot, seeing they own the franchize but Nah. don't bring up a mainframe G1 show though, opens an old wound. back in the day after Beastmachines (and the canceled Trans Tech) that was the rumor, Mainframe would make a show that was supposed to go back to vehicle-based Transformers. go back to Autobot and Decepticon and the show was going to be called 'Transformers Armada' ''great!'' I thought, perfect title for a series where we go back to a massive bot-con sized conflict. sadly, a false rumor. other actions and comments by Hasbro added to the feel 'classic Transformers' was over. (Takara wanted to make a G1 show, Hasbro fought them claiming nobody remembers canon and lore...saying this AFTER Beast Wars was so successful combining new and lore together!!) the show Takara ended up making was 'TF Armada' as we know it today. why you missed this reply? well, you are a big time youtuber now ;)
Never too big for an old pal o' mine. lol Speaking of Armada, I hear talk about how it FINALLY starts getting good after the 30th episode. I'm now binge-watching my way through episode 32... Still nothing.... -_-
yeah, shame the private inbox thing on youtube doesn't work anymore. we had a talk about Armada once before, you asked me when and why Armada got good. I may have watched more TF anime then you (maybe?) because Armada is one big cliche. most TF anime I've seen always has the same type of characters (the leader, the villain, the coming of age guy, the silly loon) and ALWAYS a second in command character that has a change of heart. and the show is at its best in its last quarter (not saying much, but the writers usually seem to think ''oh yeah, we're making a show, should we do something?'') and don't forget the final scene when the Cybertrons (Autobots) say goodbye to the human characters. even when it makes no sense. (saying goodbye to Spike after 26 years) I remember thinking episode 39 is Armada's best episode. btw. when I watch a TF anime its always the dub with subs. (as original as I can get it) Megatron-Sama!! ;P (I think that means Megatron-Sensei)
M. Valdivia it’s explained in the comics that the original transformers were massive, they began to construct smaller transformer bodies to conserve energon so Cybertron didn’t have to endure what their ancestors had to.
No, no one is, because everyone already knows. The Cybertronians made their bodies smaller to be more energy efficient. The Beast guys are just really tiny.
seeing G1 cast here was just so nostalgic, especially the big names. Beast Wars was basically the door that opened up and showed me this universe. i may not have gotten all the references back then but now i can smile and say 'i understood that reference'
Beast Wars was my introduction to Transformers - I never did it prior Then I was introduced to the movie later on - well past the end of Beast Wars. Then I rewatched this scene and was in awe
Good thing for beast wars megatron his plan didn’t work. Else he’d stick himself in an infinite time loop. Think about it. If he didn’t blast Optimus History would go as normal. But if he did blast Optimus then the future where he did blast Optimus would not exist, since the maximal/predicon future he stemmed from WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. If it never happens, how could he go back in time to change it?
Depending on what rules that apply it looks like the time travlers and their memories are not actually affected while they're in the past. What can be affected is their very existence though. However, a change in history doesn't take effect immidiately, which is why the Maximals had enough time to repair the damage.
Events like this are why older Transformers cartoons are exponentially better than current series like the newer Robots In Disguise or Earthspark. There's so many layers to the lore and how its intertwined, and that they weren't afraid to flip the stories and timelines on their behinds. It's so much deeper and made you think while watching them. Series these days are so watered down its almost not worth watching.
I thought of something interesting what if starscreams ghost came back and possessed his past selfs body grabbed Megatron which would look very funny and stopped him from killing Optimus as a way to get revenge on BW Megatron
And of course Megatron can’t just blast his target. No, he has to monologue about it first. Yes. Then again I guess that was an important moment and all. But still, it is a trope that villains will rant and monologue before actually killing their enemies. It is cliche but also fun to watch.
"at last we meet face to face,OPTIMUS PRIME!. in one future you awaken and become the great leader of the autobots. but time shall take a different track now,yes."
Optimus Primal:Well thats Just Prime. Rattrap :Or whats left of him anyways. Rhinox Slaps Rattrap. Me:RAT TRAP I DO THE JOKES AROUND HERE SEWER SLIME BUTT.
Like how the size is correct. Although if BW Megatron changes to a T-Wex and the Autobots turn into human sized vehicles. I think War For Cybertron comes closer in size comparison...I think. Cause in this version the G1 bots are HUGE.